It's okay.
>fun combat system
>good dungeon design for the most part
>mostly underwhelming side quests
>toddler tier puzzles
>going across the empty hyrule fields again and again gets dull fast

>>12477127
Post your example of a 10/10 then faggot

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>>12477109
Milenizoomers are getting their ADHD diagnosis after 30 years of zoomyzoomy
And medications became cheaper and widespread too, so now they can finally enjoy OoT without making a fuss about waiting 15 seconds for a chest to open

>t.late diagnooser

>>12477139
>can't refute anything I said
>seethes irrationally
kek

>>12477106
Yes. It was there, in it's time, being the most influential game of it's time and decade.
OoT won and nothing can change that.
Nintendo didn't just create some slop. They innovated.

Jack of all trades, master of none.

>>12477106
Yup. It's a GOAT.

>>12477152
No one is seething, just answer the question bub

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You keep posting daily OoT seethe threads on /v/, why are you so butthurt over this game?

>>12477106

Yes. Now please go jump off a cliff

>>12477127
>toddler tier puzzles
well the target demographic of this game is children, i don't know why you expect the puzzles in this game to be insanely challenging.

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>>12477150
>Milenizoomers
They're called zillennials
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zillennials

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>>12477225
zillennial is such a fucking cope term, you're a zoomer so just accept it, i'm not crying 24/7 because i was le born in the wrong generation or whatever my fellow zoomers happen to be saying on this shitty site.

>>12477228
>you're a zoomer
1991 is a zoomer year now?

Yes, and you should die horribly for making these low quality threads.

>>12477106
No, it's unfairly hated on all the time despite it being a masterpiece

>>12477230
blud is 35 :skull: im crine :wilted_rose:

i mean, it's a damn good game, but it is not, as man people hold, the best zelda(that is lttp hands down) or even the best 3D zelda(which is skyward sword). so no it does not deserve that reputation, but it's still amazing.

>>12477106
ALTTP mogs it

>>12477106
Yes, but this is contrarian central so people here will shit on it just like how they shit on every popular and beloved game

>>12477106
N64fags suffer from the same mental illness as the Halofags.
Experiencing something for the first time indeed gives that "best ever experience", especially if you are 7yo.

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>>12477228
>shitty site
We're full circle now, this is better than whatever trash those walled gardens have.
...Plus i don't get to have my whole life audited by some random creep
Fuck making accounts, just IP-ban me for 3 days and i'm good.

>>12477224
>well the target demographic of this game is children
/thread
midwits too afraid of mental challenges.
And instead must flatter their own ego because they can complete a draw point a to b sequence, so they must be le smartest guy alive

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>>12477262
Being anonymous is a good thing but 4chan is really the only site for it, altchans get raided and can't be funded so this site is the only option and its been long dead for like 20 years now.

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>>12477274
Well, that's all we've got now. So cherish that opportunity before govn/tech overlords issue mandatory hardware full ID auditing on computers/internet.

At least in the dystopia they had cybernetic implants. Ours is just lame.

>20 fps

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>>12477386
Haven't they decomp'd and ported to pc with 60 fps 4k?

>FPS schizoid

>>12477391
That isn't how the people who jerk it off as the greatest game ever experienced it though.

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>>12477395
I skipped it entirely and still haven't played any of the zeldas except the very first one

Funny thing is i actually had an actual N64... In 2008. Brand new, still in the box believe-it-or-not (thank you 3rd world).
I was 10 and my parents just bought whatever. No magazines, no nothing. Just raw doggin' whatever refurbished game there was on display.
I never asked for games anyway, i just liked the surprises.

...I still employ that strategy to this very day, i just download random shit and test it out

I guess that's the true retro spirit - just carving your own path and not being guided to whatever's mainstream at the moment

>>12477404
You aren't missing anything. The only worthwhile games in the series are 2D.

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>>12477406
I really liked zelda 1, it was simple, effective and little upgrades were always welcome.
I tried a bit of ALTP, since i just love SNES. But i just couldn't. I found it too boring and it didn't "click".
Tbh, i was too invested in Zombies Ate My Neighbor, so i guess that kinda ruined that game for me lmao

>>12477386
>murr heckin' 20 fps!!!!
it's a game from 1998 you dumb cunt, it was already pushing the boundaries of what its native hardware could even handle. If you care so much, ship of harkinian exists but I know you'll find a way to seethe your way out of trying to rebutal that because you're only here to mald.

>>12477413
>rambling cope
grim.

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>>12477419
>no argument
I accept your concession.

It’s a great game with a great soundtrack. I don’t think it’s the best game ever, but I also think it’s better than MM.

If you haven’t played it, you should. I believe just about everyone can enjoy the game.

>>12477106
Yes. But it's a case of your had to be there. You will never experience anything like the shift from 2-D to 3-D video games every again.

>>12477413
You being upset that someone is criticizing the "greatest game ever" doesn't change the fact that the game runs so poorly on original hardware that it explicitly detracts from the overall experience and quality of the game.

>>12478112
Hard to consider a 1998 game as part of the transition between 2D and 3D, by then the transition was pretty much done.

>>12477106
As the most overrated game in the history of video game journoism? Yes.

>>12477150
Good taste isn't adhd. Lacking patience for utterly pointless delays isn't adhd it's just normal human behavior. Getting addicted to the stimulus of seeing a dumb little cutscene over and over again is in fact the defective neurological pattern.

>>12477194
There is no 10/10 game, period.
More importantly, it's impossible to discuss other games with Ocarina babies because they axiomatically determine OoT to be the best game ever. So criticisms of any game you bring up always amount to just "the game isn't exactly like OoT." A circular argument.

>>12477218
Because there are thousands of Ocarina Fanbabies and they are all both hypersensitive and dumb as fuck. It's the easiest bait in the history of /vr/.

>>12477106
I'm not the biggest Zelda fan but I think it does. I can't really think of any games quite like it during that time period and what it does it does well. Same with A Link to the Past. Both games scratch a certain itch and has good production values.

>>12478273
Yeah a good game just immediately tells that you win and then shuts itself off after 30 milliseconds to bypass all that pesky stimulus that neurotypical adults hate so much because it deterritorializes their brain away from being an entity of capital and biological reproduction

>>12477150
>>12478273
>>12478305
It was more so the puzzles for me. Even though they weren't hard I would instantly get bored as a kid if a game tried to make me solve a puzzle so zelda filtered me. Yes I know I'm retarded

>>12478305
>immediately rushes to the opposite extreme for straw man.
Binary-brain thinking is far more embarrassing than ADHD to begin with. It means you are just straight-up retarded. The average kindergartner understands the goldilocks principle, but it's beyond you.

>>12477412
I loved Zelda 1, was surprised how well it's held up, and it's my favorite game on the NES. The only thing I didn't like was the repeatedly bombing every wall of the dungeon to progress.
I loved ALTTP even more, probably one of my top 10 favorite games of all time. It feels like a straight improvement across the board from Zelda 1: graphics/art, music/sound, combat, enemy/boss design, dungeon design, puzzles, etc.

It's good but not THAT good. Zelda fans are brainwashed into thinking this franchise is perfect and can do no wrong when other games are as good or better.

>>12478284
Real. Especially the mutts

>>12478897
Zelda 1 combat is far better

Zelda 3 is very easy and it doesn't feel as good

>>12478914
I honestly found them both the same difficulty, and that was playing ALTTP after Zelda 1 so that should have made ALTTP seem even easier. ALTTP was probably overall more difficult on average, but Zelda 1 has the wizzrobe dungeon that is a really annoying difficulty spike harder than anything in ALTTP.

Would be nice if ALTTP had some kind of Second Quest, or at least like a hard mode or a way to cap your health. The core combat of ALTTP is really solid, it's just that once you master it, you will have too much HP.

>>12478923
>>12478914
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/8097/

>>12477228
>i'm not crying 24/7
can't say this why typing a very butthurt passive aggressive post
the tie pod meme is nearly ten years old btw

>>12477274
Most altchans are massive fucking shitholes primarily because of how the cultures all tend to originate from this shithole specifically
It's a tragedy because imageboards are such a great format but the userbase has almost always been subhuman
>>12477291
And this place was probably always a psyop, at least by the start of the last decade.
On that note, it probably is true that the internet has intentionally gotten smaller. Competitor sites get killed or bought out and people are forced to go on a handful of sites. And then everyone's info gets tracked and bought.
As much as I hate most imageboards, probably explains the raids on the smaller ones. Raids that borderline into illegal.

>>12478439
>angry "you're not so smart!!!!" post
>I get IP banned
Very transparent once again

>>12478317
Some of the puzzles required reading and sustained linguistic reasoning which kids and idiots are often not willing to do. pretty much got ironed out of contemporary game design by the late 90s.

>>12477127
>>going across the empty hyrule fields again and again gets dull fast
It's not so bad once you get Epona. There probably should've been some better secrets and maybe some puzzles to make it feel like it's worth exploring a bit more though.

>>12479083
It's a bullshit point.
>walking across the absurdly oversized map in witcher 3 gets old fast

>>12478979
I accept your concession.

Yeah I used to be a mm is better kid because it is the more intresting game just from the premise but I come to like oot more and more as I get older.
It just feels like a proper adventure that makes me feel so comfy on replay.
I used to also scoff at the idea of oot being the greatest game of all time but honestly now I'm fine with it. Theirs nothing more solid or makes me feel as good as oot

>>12480196
How can you play oot as an adult and not roll your eyes at the toddler level retarded puzzles?

>>12480201
Why do you seek an ultimate challenge from a video game, it's an experience. Working my job and getting by in life is a challenge. Oot is comfortable and magicial in how I feel, but you wouldn't get it

>>12480205
Its one of the only games where I actually feel something. It reminds me of a classic adventure story you would read about but now you can actually play which is a lot more immersive, far more valuable to me than difficulty. It's a masterpiece, but people can keep crying that it's not. It's very funny that when people try and take oot down a notch, when asked the simple question "what do you like?" They start making excuses

>>12477106
No, it was like a 8/10 back then that has aged like absolute dogshit and is barely worth playing anymore. It was just one of those games like GoldenEye that seemed amazing to kids who never played anything similar before who unfortunately hyped it up to a status far greater than it was really deserving of.

>>12477106
>Oh you like PUZZLES? Here is a PUZZLE for your PUZZLE and afterwards there is also a PUZZLE

>>12480196
>>12480205
>>12480209
>be American millennial
>live in cozy upper-middle class area
>soccer mom buys you a Nintendo 64 because The 700 Club told her that PlayStation games have blood
>parents can also afford you to buy the entire Rareware library
>since you are rich and American, your family are also early adopters of the internet
>lo and behold, everyone else online is also a rich American from a Nintendo 64 household
>Ocarina group masturbation session ensues
>The internet universally agrees that ReDeads are the scariest things ever invented because none of you ever played Silent Hill
>Internet gaming culture is built upon the idea that everyone owned a Nintendo 64 and everyone agrees Ocarina of Time is unambiguously the best game ever made
>Fast forward 20 years
>Euros, Aussies, and working class Americans are now online
>You find out that the Nintendo 64 absolutely fucking bombed outside of middle America and nobody gives a fuck about Ocarina of Time
>Even in the US the N64 was massively outsold by the PS1, let alone abroad
>Persecution complex ensues
>"This can't be........did.....did I shit my pants over Wind Waker's graphics for nothing?"
>Start calling Ocarina underrated due to the fact that people who've played more than 1 fucking game don't think it's the best

>>12477106
It's a very solid game, but most of that reputation comes from how it N64 owners were starved for anything after the novelty of Mario 64 and GoldenEye wore off and they got two years of shovelware in between.

>>12478280
NTA, but I have never seen or taken part in a discussion about OoT where the antagonist participated in a genuine way. That is to say every time someone wants to discuss whether OoT is 10/10, they fail to engage any discourse related to their arguments, which are:
>i hate people that like Nintendo (and OoT)
>people that like OoT are mentally ill or have some sort of physical/mental disability
>OoT is a moviegame
>i don't like it and i won't tell you what i like
The only legitimate criticism for OoT I have ever heard is that the D-pad should have been used as an equipment binding for boots and such, but that is hardly anything to be upset about and won't affect you unless you actually have some psychological disability related to your attention span. It's just an incredible game because it is so excellent with little to no true criticism, which for all intents and purposes, makes it a 10/10. You can't name one game that's even close to that, which is why your argument falls on its face.

>>12480201
How can you play a game and expect it to be anything more than a game to play?

>>12477127
>going across the empty hyrule fields again and again gets dull fast
If you actually explored Hyrule, then you would find the warps and use them instead of running everywhere. Plus, Hyrule isn't empty. There's tons of shit going on, but you wouldn't know if you didn't play the game.

>>12480430
Uh middle class buddy but idk you seem like you spent a pretty long time writing your fanfic to be mad for some reason. It's a great game, it was 30 years ago and is now.

>>12480549
>NTA, but I have never seen or taken part in a discussion about OoT where the antagonist participated in a genuine way.
the people on this board are barely sentient. Some of the dumbest humans on earth I literally cant remember the last time someone even understood an argument Ive presented in a thread, reading comprehension is toddler level. There is no point in engaging in debate with them.

>>12480549
if you have never seen valid criticism of the game, then you prove one or both of two things true.
you either dont actually read threads/criticism, and/or you prove your second complaint true, in that you are too mentally disabled to recognize actual criticism.

Oot is just extremely unfairly treated probably because people want to knock down the number 1 game. This whole routine is old, and 99% of "complaints" are actual nothing burgers such as pretending that oot text is not instant speed or it's puzzles are bad when their are some extremely intuitive and satisfying puzzles in this game.
Like idk man to pretend that oot is not a well crafted must played memorable game sounds like sour grapes your mom didn't get you a n64

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>>12480624
>you're not treating it fairly!
>y-you're just mad!
>leave oot alone!

Goemon was always better

>>12480430
I had a N64 AND a Playstation and I still didn't had internet

>>12480607
You must be correct. As evidenced by >>12480613. Gives me a bit of a chuckle that retard pops his head up to prove his illiteracy just four minutes after your post.

>>12480678
Yeah, you're absolutely not and it's silly to think half of the shit oot gets is good faith arguments when it's things like ".01 second long door animations" lmao what's funny is half of the games you guys suck off in comparison have just as long animations, alttp is common. And genuinely the time the game freezes while it loads the next room objects and lowers/raises the door is about the same.
Just because you spaz out like a retard doesn't change the reality of the situation.

>>12480704
>Oot is complete and utter trash, reasons why? Uh the instant text is too slow, muh pacing muuuuh pacing
This is average oot hate posting.

>>12480430
These retards keep responding to your bait and it's glorious.

>my essay fanfic that takes itself extremely serious is just bait
Samefags need to kill themselves

12480716
Baited

12480719
Also baited

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>>12480704
>And genuinely the time the game freezes while it loads the next room objects and lowers/raises the door is about the same.
lmao, imagine not being able to count.
>>12480696
the circle jerking is cute, but it doesnt undo facts. try looking in a mirror (without wanting to suck yourself off).

>>12480719
>well its not a pasta if I'VE never seen it before!
lmao

>>12477139
gta san andreas

It's a good game but it's not that interesting. The combat is serviceable, not really deep enough to be truly fun. The story is serviceable, not really interesting. The puzzles are just a mandatory thing you do, again not interesting. I mean what does it really have going for it? Again, I like the game well enough but it really just doesn't have enough depth in any regard to hold my interest past a playthrough.

>>12480624
Oot is just extremely unfairly praised probably because people are desperate to be part of a special number 1 bandwagon club. This whole routine is old, and 99% of the "compliments" are actual nothing burgers such as pretend that oot is immersive or the puzzles are good when the whole thing is really shallow and tedious in this game.
Like idk man to pretend that oot is well crafted must played memorable game sounds like sour grapes that your mom didn't get you any other games ever.
>>12480549
NTA, but I have never seen or taken part in a discussion about OoT where the protagonist participated in a genuine way. That is to say every time someone wants to discuss whether OoT is 10/10, they fail to engage any discourse related to their arguments, which are:
>but I had fun
>the game looks good
>the combat is good
>its not empty
>the game definitely respects your time
>the game is complex and immersive
>name a better game then
>OoT is "the complete package"
The only legitimate praise for OoT that I have ever heard is that it was good and impressive at the time, but that hardly justifies quality when there is so much better out there unless you have a psychological disability related to cognitive thought and comparison. It's just an awful game because it is so aged with little to no redeeming qualities, which for all intents and purposes, makes it a 6/10. You can name hundreds of games better, which is why your argument falls on its face.

>>12480757
>If you discount all of the positives actually no body has anything positive to say
Shut the fuck up lol

>>12480769
>If you discount all of the negatives actually no body has anything negative to say
Shut the fuck up lol

The infallibility of oot is always undercut by its own fans who jump at every opportunity and eagerly attempt to defend the game. They're contradictory to themselves and chase every critique with the utmost determination to extinguish it only to express how insignificant it is. The greatest game of all time wouldn't need this much damage control.

The reality is it's not a very interesting game, in the purest sense of what a game is (possibility spaces and player expression.) It's decent for its cinematic qualities, which are real time and do a decent job at times of wearing its presentation. None of the puzzles are anything more than rote check lists, the bosses are alright in that none of them are outright terrible, but they never get to be very interesting because while the game does have things like a distinct move set with links sword swings and a variety of items to kick off properties, the combat isn't a complete system where enemies act in the same time as you - they're programmed very rigidly and take turns in a limited sense so the combat never really has a chance to shine. Some combat items are also plainly ignored. Money is unambiguously useless in the game, making one major collectible highly questionable for even existing, the game is trivialized by things like bottled fairies which are easy to replenish just by playing the game normally.

The weird thing is the end point of these discussions always comes down to the lock on system. Usually with a lie by omission that it's the first of its kind, then a correction that it's the best of its kind, and then an awkward dancing around the fact it's not the best it's just the most polished.

oot fans want to wave the banner that they're here to welcome the king of kings, but the king is always silent and stiff on his throne that it makes you wonder if the jesters aren't the one vying for the crown.

You'd be less angry if you were a little more modest about the game and how you compare it to others.

>>12480834
yeah, the thing is nobody really cares if its anyone's "favorite" game. by all means, have fun and fond memories. but calling it "the best" and "10/10, flawless" is just so objectively false and disingenuous.
>it makes you wonder if the jesters aren't the one vying for the crown.
this really hits the nail on the head. its like if they defend it and put it at the top of their list, then they have earned accolades by proxy as well. its really pathetic stuff.

>>12480845
Its been some time since I've seen someone frame it is as this, but it usually happens in Zelda threads where oot is a springboard to other games. I think it's good as a general purpose springboard to all games. Want to see what super refined 3D combat looks like? There's been dozens of games since. Want an even heavier fantasy adventure? There's lots of titles to play. More and better puzzles? Alternatives that predate it to see where the genre evolved from? So much to pick from.

>>12480834
You basically summed up the Nintendo fandom in general about any of their sacred games.

>>12480834
>The reality is it's not a very interesting game, in the purest sense of what a game is (possibility spaces and player expression.) It's decent for its cinematic qualities, which are real time and do a decent job at times of wearing its presentation. None of the puzzles are anything more than rote check lists, the bosses are alright in that none of them are outright terrible, but they never get to be very interesting because while the game does have things like a distinct move set with links sword swings and a variety of items to kick off properties, the combat isn't a complete system where enemies act in the same time as you - they're programmed very rigidly and take turns in a limited sense so the combat never really has a chance to shine. Some combat items are also plainly ignored. Money is unambiguously useless in the game, making one major collectible highly questionable for even existing, the game is trivialized by things like bottled fairies which are easy to replenish just by playing the game normally.
1000 characters and you still couldnt prove that its not the greatest game. What a waste of time.

>>12477106
Couldn't hold a candle to all the truly impressive games of 1998. It doesn't deserve it's reputation by comparison alone.

>>12480861
have you played any other games in the last 40 years? and you still cant recognize when one has done ANYTHING better than oot? even when comparisons arent made and its just a description of flaws and shortcomings, you still cant recognize the truth in them?
>What a waste of time.
yes, trying to "prove" something to somebody that refuses and/or is incapable of seeing and recognizing evidence is a waste of time. thats why a lot of people dont even bother, and simply state the conclusion "oot is bad and aged like milk" which then gets retards like >>12480549 claiming that no criticism is ever genuine (assuming he's even genuine, which 99% chance he's just an ignorant zealot like you too).

>>12480878
>and you still cant recognize when one has done ANYTHING better than oot?
how does that discredit the game as being the best? Gran Turismo has better car customization than oot who cares?

>>12477106
Yes and I say this as not a huge Zelda fan

>>12477106
yeah nothing rivaled it at the time

>>12480757
Your arguments all come down to, “I don’t like thing”. How’s that any different to “I love thing!”? Saying “the frame rate is low” is a fact. Saying “the framerate is low and it’s unplayable” is an opinion.

>>12480879
>gran turismo absolutely doesnt count at all
>why not?
>b-b-because it just DOESNT, ok??
>it doesnt because its not oot!
when your argument hinges on the assertion itself, and therefor ignores anything that doesnt match up precisely, you illustrate that you never had an argument to begin with.

>oot has flaws.
>other games do the same thing as oot's flawed thing, but better
>how does that discredit the game as being the best?
not beating the mental retardation or disingenuous praise allegations.

>>12480898
>Your arguments all come down to, “I don’t like thing”.
they dont, and tipping your hand that you have abysmal literacy doesnt help your case. additionally, its really funny to pretend to care about facts when facts just get equally dismissed. also trying to skew in "opinion" is pathetic, because fact: the game pops up with the tutorial for bombs EVERY time you open a chest with them. but you want to skew in "opinion" and dismiss it when people point out that its bad and negatively impacts the play experience. you arent willing to agree on common sense and sensibilities.
>"the graphics old and bad"
>"THATS JUST YOUR OPINION! IT LOOKS GREAT ACTUALLY!!!!"
you're not interested in discussing in good faith.

>>12480910
> the whole thing is really shallow and tedious in this game
How is this NOT you declaring an opinion as fact?

>>12480910
> you're not interested in discussing in good faith
And you’re the one who doesn’t understand that people don’t say your autistic bomb tutorial isn’t a negative point but more they don’t think it’s negative ENOUGH to detract from the overall package.

And on the topic of literacy, most of this thread hasn’t addressed the OP’s “reputation” angle that he hasn’t defined fully. Are YOU arguing in good faith that OOT doesn’t deserve its reputation, if we assume that said reputation is “one of the best examples of a video game in history”?

>>12480910
Not only that, I want to squish Navi with a tire iron the whole game and get her to stfu.

>>12477106
I see in the same way as Half Life 1 and 2, games I respect more for their innovations than their actual quality (but at least I've managed).
I do recognize it has set some really good bases for future games to study and improve upon, but I simply can't stand its design. I always get the feeling that I'm being railroaded into doing things in a very specific order, and if I get lost then I had to mindlessly wander around until I finally get to trigger whatever important script I ignored at first. And I don't really think it is because "3D Zeldas are not for me" because I do like Breath of the Wild and I had way more fun playing Majora's Mask as I never had that issue with it. I always felt that I was getting things done every time I got distracted by something else.
the way I see it, Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are the Fallout 3 and New Vegas of their generation:
The older game is considered a masterpiece by many despite its clearly underwhelming quality and playing it safe. The title following them was made in a much shorter amount of time re-using the same engine and most of the assets yet it is substantially better in almost every way and takes many risks in general, receiving a worse reception from game journalist at the time but becoming a cult classic within more demanding fans of the franchise.

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>>12480918
>they don’t think it’s negative ENOUGH to detract from the overall package
>this one thing isnt enough
>ok, well how about this lengthy list, including CORE things like combat?
>i-its still not enough! 10/10!
you'll ignore everything that isnt directly said, and then after it is said, you'll just ignore it anyway.
>And on the topic of literacy, here's some bait
>"oot is a game." do you agree?
its all so tiresome.

>>12480573
>Hyrule isn't empty. There's tons of shit going on

I'd emphasize the word "Shit" there. Most of the side activities are quite dull.

>>12480937
Don't bother.
If Fallout 3 had come out for fifth generation consoles, this people would defend it to sword and shield as hard as they defend OoT.
At least Fallout 3, while not as innovative and quite mid in its own ways, it is much easier to ignore its main story and to focus on its better aspects like the art style and dungeon-crawling.

>>12480953
oh i know. its mostly the n64 though. just something about it planted DEEP seeds in impressionable heads. as shitposty as >>12480430 is, its definitely on to something. fans of other games/franchises simply say "its my favorite", but n64 tards pretend like its divinity in a box and nothing else can ever hope to come close. theres a perpetual doom thread, but they just have a genuine love for doom. meanwhile, retards pretend like goldeneye is the best fps ever made. you get retards that think that mario kart 64 is the best in the franchise, despite being the widest, emptiest, and dullest. the only fandom that comes close is the sonic fandom, but thats a different type of autism and obsession.

>>12480861
Man you may be the biggest retard in this whole thread and that's saying something

>>12480613
>people that like OoT are mentally ill or have some sort of physical/mental disability
>>12480754
>i don't like it and i won't tell you what i like
>>12480757
>i hate people that like Nintendo (and OoT)
>i don't like it and i won't tell you what i like
>>12480834
>i don't like it and i won't tell you what i like
>>12480878
>i don't like it and i won't tell you what i like

It's exactly as I've said. Not one single game is named in comparison. The best you guys can do is talk about "all those other" games.
>the AI isn't good enough
Nigga, I have yet to see any AI that is more than "programmed very rigidly and take turns in a limited sense." Thats literally what AI is, bruh. As if the greatest game of all time needs a literal sapient intelligence running in the background or it isn't is pure lunacy. It's a game, nigga. You play it for fun. Besides, it's called multiplayer, son. That's the only place where you can find genuine competition.
>the puzzles aren't good enough
We get it. You don't like it and you won't give us any examples of what good puzzles are.
>i don't know how to use the items very well and i won't tell you which ones i don't think are good
Par the course here.

>>12480984
Cont...
>money is useless
This one is so silly. I've already argued against this one before and was given no rebuttal, just ignored and insulted instead
D. You use money for convenience (just like in the real world), expand your inventory/health and you can use money to fast track your progress, like buying blue flames from Kakariko before you go to the Zora Domain/Ice Cavern. Also, you need a big wallet to buy more bombchus from the hippie on the flying carpet. Not only that, but if you legitimately suck at the game, then having a big wallet is really nice to keep trying at the various games you pay to play. Saying the game is bad because you have two ways to get the things you want (shops vs fields of grass) is pretty silly.
>z-targeting is only lock-on
Love this classic. Grasping with straws as always. Since you can't come up with anything on your own all you can do is insult and distract.
>>12480939
>i don't like it, but i won't tell you what i like
I'll say it again. It's just insults and nonsense. You won't actually discuss anything I've said in good faith. Despite

>name another game reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Hahahaha

>>12480984
>>12480986
>>12480990
I mean we can name games but I'm sure you'll try your hardest to find a reason to say "no that doesn't count! >:C".

Not retro but I could say Darksiders 1 and 2 are better adventure games that do everything OoT did better.
I could say The Witcher 2 and 3 are on the same boat. It's ok to admit you just think OoT is perfect because your god Nintendo did it. It's a stupid reason but you do you.

>>12481000
The "name a game" cope is the same thing as when someone rages and says "you can't draw a better picture" when you criticize art

>>12480984
>its all about liking or not liking
it isnt. im sure that you're too retarded to understand that though. probably brown.
>Not one single game is named in comparison.
and you DESPERATELY want somebody to, because you NEED to deflect attention away from oot and its OBJECTIVE flaws and shortcomings. you NEED a different title so you can tear it apart and focus on those flaws.
additionally, you need a specific title, so that you can also pull out the "oot is the complete package" card and point out all of the things from oot that it DOESNT have. its your trump card for when even after you're forced to concede that every single aspect of oot has been improved upon since then by some other game, "no other game does all of them at the same time. ha! gotcha!" which again, relies on the assertion itself and discredits anything of any other genre.
>>the AI isn't good enough
>"um, its just a game sweaty"
pathetic cope and dismissal.
>you won't give us any examples of what good puzzles are.
>because i have never in my life seen a game have puzzles more complex than "push box along marked out path" or "just look up and shoot thing".
>just like my favorite puzzles, i need to be handheld to the answer.
grim.
>bringing up items out of nowhere.
>pretending its player skill to not know how to use them
fabricated delusion.
>>12480986
>I've already argued against this one before and was given no rebuttal, just ignored and insulted instead
lmao, given your track record, GEE I WONDER WHY, lmao
>its useful if you're bad
lmao not the flex you think it is.
>>z-targeting is only lock-on
literally nobody said this, lmfao. the one grasping at straws is you.

>>12480984
The subject is zelda oot, stay on subject.

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>>12477139

Yep. Same bullshit from the oot zealots fag, who I'm sure is actually a repressed zealot himself. He's basically controlled opposition at this point. By creating such a terrible argument for why oot is bad he cements it as the greatest.

>>12481000
I've literally never heard of Darksiders, Witcher 2 is widely regarded as the worst of the three and you didn't even explain yourself. Not only that, but this is /vr/, not /v/.
>>12481036
So you can't read? Take a night class.

holy shit do you guys get tired of doing this same boring bait all day

>>12481000
You couldn't even name a retro game? Maybe the oot dicksuckers are onto something lol this is a pathetic display from you guys

>>12481190
Zelda 1 and 2 mog the fuck out of it. Even the Game Boy game was better.

>>12481264
The subject of the thread is oot :) Other games are a distraction from this.

>>12481271
>this game does x better than oot
It's not hard. people compare games all the time. Why avoid it?

>>12481271
>I am terrified of the games i like being criticized :) I will instead say OoT bad for the gorillionth time because I am incapable of original thought.

>>12481275
>I am terrified of oot being criticized please lets change the subject
No :)

>>12481273
Why indulge it? It's only an excuse to change the subject.

>>12481278
You still can't do it wtf. the oot guy won

>>12481289
Why indulge it? This is a thread about oot. If you can't discuss its flaws without an object to compare it to, you don't understand anything about either game.

>>12481293
trvke.
ootfag raped and gaped.

>oot haters on /vr/ can't name a retro game better than oot

>>12481302
You don't need to change the subject to another game to talk about oots flaws. :) Hope this helps. Try to stay on subject! It improves the board for everyone.

>>12481302
OoT haters are just buttmad that it's better than their favorite game

>>12481273
Everquest does immersion better than Zelda 64.
Everquest has a far more exciting and threatening world.
Everquest is an innovative online multiplayer game where you can interact with hundreds of other players.
Everquest even does walking simulation better than Zelda. Hyrule Field has nothing on West Karana.
Evequest has better lore, better cities, better factions, better quests, better gods and religions, better monsters and better biomes.
Zelda 1, 3 and 4 do combat pacing better.
For 3d sword combat, I only know mostly non-retro games, but there are games that have 'patient' combat that have far greater combat density and variety than OoT. I'm guessing there are 6th gen examples like devil may cry, but I skipped 6th gen.
There's also Bushido Blade, which is a fighting game but does weapon combat mechanics better than Ocarina.
Final Fantasy 7 has better characters, story and cutscenes. Like Everquest, FF7 also depicts a much larger and more expansive world.
Wing Commander 4 had great space sim mechanics and real hollywood actors in the cutscenes.
Though for space sim I spent far more time playing X-Wing Alliance. Dozens of ships to pilot, lots of complex missions.

But none of these games are exactly Zelda, so you won't care. They don't have catching fish in a bottle and dumping them on the ground in front of a big mouth to access a dungeon, therefore they are not the best game ever like Ocarina.

>>12481328
Real

>>12481302
>>12481324
oot babies cant refute criticism so they have to deflect.
cope and seethe
raped and gaped
ywnbaw dial8

>>12481338
>can't think of a better retro game than oot
>constantly thinking about trannies instead
???

Dragon Slayer > Zelda I
Xanadu > Zelda II
Ys I & II > Zelda III
Sylvan Tale > Link's Awakening
Brave Fencer Musashi > Ocarina of Time

they still havent recovered from getting mindbroken by arin hanson of all people 12 years ago. literally they still havent been able to refute a single thing. "yeah w-well... he played the game badly!" is the only thing they can say. they will ALWAYS avoid directly acknowledging criticism and ALWAYS deflect to other things, like personal attacks or critiquing other games.

>>12481328
Those games are so irrelevant, so inferior you have to talk about them in an OoT thread.

>>12481364
thank you for proving us right with your response. we accept your concession.

>>12477106
Yes it does. The fact that crossdressing hipsters use it as a pinata doesn't matter.

>>12481370
>thank you
I don't accept your low-T gratitude since you are below me. If you really want to thank me, go make an Everquest thread to get seven posts in before you hit page 10.

>>12481358
Halo Reach came and went, but if you replace it with Ocarina of Time, its an accurate depiction of the fanbois ITT.

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>>12478284
>they are all both hypersensitive and dumb as fuck
You mean, people who like a game you criticise don't like when you insult a game they like? I mean at best you can at least give your reasoning to not like the game but all the OoT seethe threads seem to just be bait lacking any discussion worthy substance, I like genuine criticisms.

>>12481190
I absolutely think A LttP is a better game. It's more open, the world feels more full and lived in. It scales a lot better. OOT is empty and moves quickly to the bad timeline. Which makes sense, no one wants to be kid link, adult link is cool. The bad future doesn't seem that bad though. Bad camera angles too.

The bosses though, OOT has the best bosses, minibosses and the dungeons really lean into their theming hard.

The sword upgrades in LttP tho. White, Blue, Red, Gold. Epic.

>>12481559
>you can at least give your reasoning
>all the OoT seethe threads seem to just be bait lacking any discussion worthy substance
maybe try actually reading them, because valid criticism is constantly given, and then summarily ignored and dismissed. no matter how right or wrong the criticism is, oot babies will fight tooth and nail to defend it, using every technique and strategy they can think of. ad hom, deflection, redirection, dismissal, whataboutism, completely ignoring statements, lying, and general shitpost trolling. literally anything other than accepting criticism and admitting that oot is not 10/10 flawless perfect timeless masterpiece. they dont just "like" something.

>>12477106
nah, it’s just more millenial decentslop.

>>12481580
>claims criticism is valid
>offers no criticism, only unsubstantiated claims
As usual.

>>12481239
The fact this post is ignored proves it's truth.

>>12481615
>every single post mentioning it must contain the full and detailed list
lmao

lmfao he samefagged his own troll shitpost because it didnt get any (you)s.

I'm saying it
I am gonna say it
I like the 3ds version more

>>12481627
>ruined the artstyle/atmosphere
>made an easy game much easier
>have to play it on a tiny handheld if you're not emulating it
you just have shit taste desu

>>12481629
>subjective
>master quest
>fair, but miles better menus and inventory management

>>12477106
I don't like it much but seeing how it makes so many insecure snoys and segacels seethe I would say yes

>>12481632
>master quest
already existed before the 3DS remake
>better menus and inventory management
solved with romhacks well before the 3DS remake

>>12481637
I'm a snoy and a segacel and oot/mm are both in my top 10

>>12481358
I've had oot fans wish death on me for my opinions kek

>>12481358
arin’s argument was dumb as shit and you know it, especially his comment about the combat involving waiting for the right moment like it isn’t a proven good design by this point by other games that have been successful since

>>12481789
based oot fans

>>12481798
lmao no. there are only 2 things in the entire video that are his own personal problem, and combat is not one of them. i genuinely can not think of a game that has oot's garbage combat, so you'll have to tell me. other games have enemies approach you and attack, not approach you and do nothing. if you block, theres a cost. if they block/evade, theres a way to overcome it, so you ARE allowed to be proactive and aggressive with your primary means of attack without item usage first. i cant think of anything that use's oot's terrible model where he is 100% accurate.

>>12481867
That vid was insufferable to watch. The battle argument doesn't work because most enemies DO attack you.
But he's right, there's so much filler and time-waste in OOT.
I think it's 9 or 9.5/10 but goddamn it's so hard to replay because there's so much walking across empty land and back to do some fetch quest just to proceed with the game.
Ultimately how you feel playing a game is what matters, objective arguments rarely exist in video games.

>>12477106
Yes

>>12482121
They give you a horse and multiple teleport songs. The field is boring, but is not a problem once you're past the Kid Link portion.

In regards to combat, I feel most enemies are either small pests who just swarm you for almost no damage or slow enemies who telegraph their swings so much that you're able to block or run long before they hit. The Stalfos Knights are among the few enemies that actually pose a threat as they strike fast and have few openings (plus they'll revive if you don't kill them both fast enough), but they're almost never encountered.

>>12477106
tendieshit

>>12482158
>They give you a horse and multiple teleport songs. The field is boring, but is not a problem once you're past the Kid Link portion.
True, but replaying it a year or two ago I felt half the game was tedious busywork. Again, I think it's great, exceptional, but there are huge flaws and a large portion of the game is boring as shit (on replay), that's a real flaw. People say that about my favorite games (FF7/8) too and I get it, doesn't bother me.
Games are more subjective than objective unless their core mechanics are absolutely shit.

>>12481371
As opposed to the crossdressing plebs who buy nintendo products in droves?

>oot is not replayable
It very much is
Issue with every oot critics is that it's simply isn't real, people obviously replay oot all the goddamn time. It's like THE speed run game for a reason.
Here's an actual critique thats not retarded and I adore oot as an experience. It makes me feel so cozy every time I replay it every couple of years .
Half of the enemies are lame. Like they are just little guys you hit one time and that's it. Even the bigger guys like wolfos are defeated by literally just shielding a single slow attack and hitting attack once.
I think the 3 games that can be considered objective masterpieces is
Oot
Resident evil 4(2005)
Warcraft 3
Seethe

>>12482228
Ans even then it's fine. Kinda disappointing oot definitely could have used one more treating standard enemy for the later temples like wizrobes to go with the stalfos but that is probably the only actual critique I can think of when it comes to oot

>>12482228
Meanwhile FF7 a year and a half earlier blows it out of the fucking water.
I obviously have replayed OOT, I got it Xmas 98 and have beaten it 5x. But a lot of it just bored the shit out of me. I'm sure people say the same about random battles.
Games are subjective.

Ff7 is boring as fuck, and devalues your entire character. It's funny to read that oot biggest flaw to someone is that it's a bit stale after the 4th replay.
Like oh geez I guess Nintendo really fucked up, what the fuck do you want?

>>12482270
FF7 is boring as fuck even on first play

>>12482280
You mean OoT is boring as fuck even on a first play
>oh boy I'm herding chickens!

>>12482228
>OoT criticism isn't real
Ocarina baby delusions, everyone.
They literally cannot conceive of people having different tastes and opinions. They just pretend the critics aren't real as some sort of weird pathetic cope.

>>12482276
I've beaten FF7 over 10 times and want to play it again, right now. I've beaten OOT 5x and saw it as a slog by my 2nd playthrough. I played OOT 4 years before FF7 so I actually have more nostalgia for OOT.
Games that are actually good are subjective. You can only really be objective about mediocre games.

>>12482293
>>12482307
This is a boring shitpost.

>>12482310
Your post blew my mind.

>>12482202
Seems I touched a nerve.

>>12482228
>>12482262
They really beefed up the enemy presence in MM, which is essentially still OoT, and every mainline Zelda game from then on is just more and more chaotic combat. I will say that we started to see some wave type stuff in WW and they could've leaned a bit harder into that because WW has some of the most entertaining combat in the franchise. Clearly, they saw how to improve their formula and did it. The problem is Aonuma didn't like OoT. Come to think of it this OoT zealot fag is probably Aonuma hellbent on ruining OoT's image due to his jealousy towards Koizumi for being way better than him at basically everything of virtue.

>>12482530
True for the first half than it breaks down into schizo rambling
Aonuma was the dungeon designer of oot and clearly a lot of effort was placed in it's remake on the 3ds.
It's mm that he's embarrassed about like any artist looking at their first rushed work.

Oot fans sure have a lot of opinions on every other game but not much to say about oot.

>>12482572
>as if schizo ramblings aren't true
Maybe you don't understand Aonuma, mate. He has outright said he didn't like OoT and wanted to change Zelda. WW is his analogy for the death of old Zelda and the birth of new Zelda. Based on what I understand of him, regardless of however clever he may be, he is an effeminate sperg beta and I would bet money that chad Koizumi makes him seethe endlessly. Since Aonuma got Zelda and Koizumi got Mario I have no doubt he (Aonuma) would do anything he could to spite Koizumi's Hyrule.

>>12482593
It's been hard to find a better game, mate. Still looking.

>>12482284
That bottle is optional

>>12482530
>>12482672
this is such a pathetic and desperate cope to try and make sense of every game in a franchise being different and having its own gimmick. you cant accept that the zelda franchise is no different from mario or sonic, or any other of the tons of franchises that do this. there are of course a couple exceptions to the strategy (like galaxy and galaxy 2), but for the most part, every game is different has its own gimmicks. like mario 64 is basic, then it gets fludd, then gravity, then hat. sonic goes from sonic and friends, to team, to gun, to werehog, to waggle, to wisp, etc. zelda, even starting from 1, is almost always different. from simple 2d top down adventure, to 2d sidescroller, back to top down but with active items and story, then 3d, then time limit and masks, then sailing, then wolf, then waggle, then all of the big shakeups of botw, and then an uncharacteristic iteration on that with totk (and they said that they are retiring the map and style and wont use it a 3rd time). even the side games all have their gimmicks.

you're desperately trying to justify the changes and gimmicks that you dont like as some sort of personal vendetta and conspiracy. its pathetic. we get it, you like the clean and simple gameplay of oot. that doesnt mean theres a director feud getting in the way. tons of other franchises have similar design strategies out of some fear of "if its too much the same, nobody will buy it" without any director nonsense. its just desperate cope on your part.

>>12477106
I'm not the biggest Zelda fan, but yeah, it's a great game. Not sure how I would rank it overall, but is definitely one of those you have to play

>>12482693
>>playful speculation is super serial, anons. U should be embarrassed and ashamed for saying something I don't understand.
Sometimes I joke about being autistic, but I clearly don't come anywhere close to whatever you have, anon.

>>12481239
>"no that doesn't count! >:C".
I fucking knew it. People ignore you because they can't be bothered to waste their time on you. You're just desperate for attention because you're getting none at home. I feel dumber by spending time replying to you but that's all you're getting from me.
But please, if it makes you feel like you're winning, feel free to reply back. I'm not going to read it anyway.

>>12482831
>gets btfo
>"uh, uh, its just playful speculation! i was only PRETENDING to be retarded!"
huffing the copium deeper i see.

>>12481264
Ok, sure. Brave Fencer Musashi did everything OoT did but better.
Spyro too to some extent.
Goemon 64 also did. Should I continue?

>>12482832
>People ignore you
Clearly you aren't doing enough of that. I feel like I'm reading your diary as a projection rn and it's sad.

>>12482593
Kek

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>>12482837
Ironically you could fairly compare both BFM and MM:L to Majora's Mask, since all these games are strongly focused around interacting with a central town where NPCs are doing all kinds of shit at different times while exploring the surrounding environment.

OoT is a different beast and has a much better designed world than all of them despite a larger percentage of its NPCs being filler.

>>12477127
>toddler tier puzzles
I can't believe that I have to point out that the target audience for this game is children.

>>12483474
i cant believe i have to point out that using the term "toddler" denotes that it is below even regular "children". esl?

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>>12477106
I don't understand why people obsess over Zelda and Rare's garbage. I've found a newfound appreciation for N64 because of Nintendos creative 3D titles.

>>12483530
i'm trans btw! ^w^

>>12483536
wanna come over and play little waverace with me uwu

>>12477224
I don't know why people call this literal baby game "the greatest of all time." If it's baby shit then fine it's for babies, just don't act like it's the Citizen Kane of gaming.

I don't feel much enthusiasm for shitting on ocarina of time. the state of adventure games in the industry is bad and has been bad since before the seventh gen. it's essentially orthodoxy to never require the player to wrestle with a tricky puzzle or otherwise expend mental energy. if oot is dumbed down shit for babies than anything that better than it is long dead.

>>12483506
>below even regular "children"
Is this some kind of jeet class cope? Or perhaps some weird zoomer disorder because you were introduced to tier lists during a critical develooment period and now you can only see the world thtough the lens of a tier list. Or are you legitimately this retarded? I can't even fathom your lunacy.

>>12483576
reminds me of the Star Wars fanboys crying it's for children when you point out dumb shit while these grown "adults" obsess it

>>12484273
>jeet
>develooment
>develoo
jeet.

3d Zelda really only clicks with twilight princess.

>>12483530
Oh boy boring sports games and fzero

>>12484415
>three hours of boring busywork and cutscenes with ugly characters before you get to the first dungeon
lmfao

>>12484424
It’s called world building.

>>12484440
You don't need that crap for worldbuilding, look at Soulslikes which have ×10 better lore and worldbuilding without having a slow ass srart

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>>12484273
>i cant tell the difference between the toddler toy aisle and the other toys
>i cant fathom such a simple concept
thank you for continuing to prove me right.

>>12484440
world building in zelda is pointless
it's just always new random made up crap that's forgotten and retconned in two games

>>12477228
based

"zillennial" is a cope term for ashamed early zoomers (late 1996 onward)

>>12477238
unironic kek
old ass nibba

>>12480607
that's this whole site now in 2025+ btw

>>12480757
>The only legitimate praise for OoT that I have ever heard is that it was good
op named a concrete flaw
you on the other hand, correctly called out as-so disingenuous, can't even come up with a single point of praise you'd deem valid
your attempt at parroting has failed because, once again, you refuse to put in any effort or seriousness

I don't even give a shit about OOT or Zelda one way or the other, it's just retards like you have utterly killed this site

>>12484513
>op named a concrete flaw
OP literally asked a question.

>>12484513
"it was the best we had at the time, and it was quite the novelty" is not an argument or justification for enduring quality. nothing about it hold up. the quality scale has shifted, and oot has been left behind. saying "its good" is ignorant. claiming "its better than everything else ever" is factually incorrect and retarded. people like you are so ignorant and blind to your own ignorance that you see others as "disingenuous" when they arent spelling out every last detail for you. we get it, oot holds your hand, but when you get mad at others for not holding your hand through every step (which you end up ignoring anyway, lol) thats not people being "disingenuous".

>>12484448
It matters to the rest of the game. That’s why it’s front loaded.

>>12481575
I disagree. LttP is way more primitive mechanically and of course it will be more open since it was made when 2D games had been perfected meanwhile 3D games were still actively being improved when OoT came out.

Plus, OoT isn't empty. It's full of secrets everywhere and a bunch of side activities to do. Off the top of my head and having last played it a decade ago, the Biggoron Sword quest, racing the tack and field guy, the gold Skultula side quest that takes up the bulk of the entire game, fishing and so on. I feel like the recent hatred towards OoT is a mixture of nostalgia from older folk and contrarianism from younger ones. It may have been slightly over rated when compared ot Majora's Mask which is an improvement on that Zelda formula, but it is certainly one of the best Zelda games ever made and the most influential as well.

>>12484582
>It's full of secrets everywhere
It really is. There are so many hidden holes that will take you to all sorts of interesting grottos. Not to mention the easter eggs like turning butterflies into fairies with a deku stick or fixing signs with music or blasting off gossip stones. Most people think of only the warp songs, but the Lost Woods warps are excellent and fill in a lot of travel holes. Gerudo Valley is probably the furthest place to travel to in the game, assuming you can't cheese the river of sand/hidden path forwards and back.

The reason why it still holds up is because they spent a lot of time customizing their engine, fine-tuning it to make it play really well and everything just works together. Load times are so fast compared to modern games and disc games, it's honestly sad. The black magic they cast to make that FPS work is crazy, it makes it play like a pseudo action comic. I would take instant load times and zero latency with a bamboozled FPS on an aesthetic graphics design over soul-crushing load times and universal engine jank on an AI-made "realistic" aesthetic with any day. Plus, OoT humor is actually good. Devs used to be funny.

>>12477106
Those who understood felt like this game was badass as kids
As we grew up we can still see that perspective but with the additional context that it's objectively pretty childish like an old school storybook or a CS Lewis novel
That split left a deep rift in the hearts of millions of gamers that Twilight Princess made a pointed attempt to fulfill but fundamentally misunderstood the heart of the issue. From Soft is the closest fulfillment but they've never made a 9/10

>>12484582
>LttP is way more primitive mechanically
"simpler" yes, but i wouldnt call it "primitive" the same way oot objectively is primitive for the 3d medium. they dont mean the same thing.
>Plus, OoT isn't empty. It's full of secrets everywhere
having or not having a quantity list of secrets and side content is not what people mean when they say that the game is empty. they mean that there are lengthy empty hallways and rooms.

>>12484732
>fixing signs with music or blasting off gossip stones
really grasping at straws here, lol. that isnt content, and nobody gives a shit about it.

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>>12477106
No. It’s just a lot of waiting. Dumb gimmicks with a flute. Utter trash that skips over the downfall of civilization. It would be better to play the stuff between Princess capture and the world collapsing.

>>12483458
You mean that big empty Hyrule Field which is unnecesarily big just to extend your playtime?
I'd hardly call that empty field with randomly placed objects "better designed".

I'm not saying "bad", but it's certainly not better.

>>12485375
>lengthy empty hallways and rooms
Like what?

>>12486019
>big empty Hyrule Field
>unnecesarily big
>empty field with randomly placed objects
I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly how you feel about the forest irl.

OoT is the greatest Zelda game ever made

>>12485381
>that isnt content
So what's real content, then, little nigga?

>>12486337
I'd argue that Majora's Mask is better. OoT is second best IMO

>>12486346
Respectable opinion

the combat is what led to dark souls combat and saying otherwise is cope

>>12486341
Certainly not that.

>>12486335
If that's all you need to think a game is the goat the you sure have no standards.

>>12486564
Doing the Lord's work making anti-oot arguments look like shit, anon. Keep it up.

My only real complaint abou OoT is that they don't give you many chances to have fun with the combat. As I mentioned before, most standard enemies are either swarming fodder or are too slow to really feel like you're engaging in combat with them. More battles with complex enemies like the Lizafos or the Gerudo guards would have really helped.

>>12486675
>complex enemies like the Lizafos
Are.... are Nintendo fans retarded? I can't believe I just read this.

>>12486690
Moreso than Wolfos which is literally "backstep, sword, dead".

>>12486696
as opposed to "shield, sword, shield, sword, shield, sword, dead". oh man, so complex.

>>12486723
correction: "wait, shield, sword. wait, shield, sword. wait, shield, sword, dead."

>>12486723
>>12486726
The fact that you have to get your shield involved is a step up.

>>12486690
>Are.... are Nintendo fans retarded?
yes, very much so. it is abundantly evident in this thread alone. its why they so highly praise literal toddler shit as "complex" and "quality".

>>12486728
>have to
LMAO
regardless, there is literally zero threat and you can just stand there.

>>12484582
>of course it will be more open since it was made when 2D games had been perfected meanwhile 3D games were still actively being improved when OoT came out.
OK, but this is a completely fair criticism then. This explains it, it doesn't excuse it. Like, sorry this new Disneyland park on Mars doesn't have all the stuff the other parks do, but when we open Disneyland on the moon, it'll have more stuff. Like.. .uh cool, but Im on Mars, Im not on the moon.