Is there a bigger sign of terminal contrarianism and profound mental retardation than preferring Zelda 2?It's like we wrapped all the way around from "it's unplayable kuso with no redeeming qualities" to an even more ridiculous extreme that it's somehow better than Zelda 1 and ALTTP despite being a downgrade in nearly every conceivable way (looks worse, sounds worse, worse combat, worse hitboxes, less creative enemy designs, worse exploration/overworld, shitty jarpig grinding crap in an action game, obtuse progression and terrible translation, obnoxious magic system that encourages skipping right past enemies, etc.) Zelda 2 is just worse in every possible way from its predecessor, while ALttP is the true sequel to Zelda 1.
>>12482840seek medical help or kill yourself
>>12482840Preferring Contrarian of the Moon to any other Metroidvania
Zelda 2 is better than ALttP, but not better than Zelda 1 or Link's Awakening.
>>12482847ALttP is an improvement in every way to Zelda 1, which itself is an improvement in every way from Zelda 2 (anyone would assume Zelda 1 is the sequel if they had played them both blind for the first time)Also ALTTP is top 2 Zelda game of all time and best game on the SNES. You are a complete fucking retard.
>>12482847>Zelda 2 is better than ALttP, but not better than Zelda 1Agreed
>>12482840Prefer it over Zelda 1 and only Zelda 1.
People like different things.
>>12482840The game was popular back in the day and sold well. It's not a contrarian opinion to like the game. The hate against the game came around when YouTube faggots started to be a thing.
>>12482840>looks worse, sounds worseAll your other points are debatable and I mostly agree, but how can you possibly argue it looks and sounds worse than the first game? The graphics are an improvement in pretty much every way, and the first game literally only has two tracks that play during gameplay, and the palace theme from II alone is better than either of them.
>>12482854>Also ALTTP is top 2 Zelda game of all time and best game on the SNES.The best SNES game is Super Metroid and the best 2D Zelda is Link's Awakening
>>12482840>Is there a bigger sign of terminal contrarianism and profound mental retardation than preferring Zelda 2?Yes, preferring Doki Doki Panic to SMB2J
Zelda 1 and II are my favorite games in the series. When I see people deride these games for being too old or outclassed I honestly wonder if these people are actually capable of thinking. If you even use the word contrarian at all, you're anti-intellectual. It's a thought-terminating phrase designed to shut down differing opinions. People just want to be told that ALTTP and OOT are the best over and over again, like if they do not hear people say it daily it's confusing or alienating or shatters their worldview or something. And just to be clear, I'm not saying I dislike any Zelda game.
>>12482840Zelda Two? More like Zelda (you), because I have bad boy attitude and I like being the center of attention.
>>12482840>ALttP is the true sequel to Zelda 1.ALttP is actually the shit sequel, being all kinds of watered down and dull. Meanwhile Zelda 2 going in a whole different direction gives it a whole different scale to be judged on.
>>12482840I have to agree, this game is complete ass and there is really no other way to slice it.
>>12482913Super Metroid doesn't hold a candle to ALTTP. Its combat fucking blows, enemies and hazards pose absolutely zero threat, and 90% of the game is just checking every block of every room
>>12482915There is literally not even one aspect that Zelda 2 does better than Zelda 1 or ALTTP. If you prefer something that is massive downgrade across the board, you are a contrarian faggot.It's weird how you never see all these Zelda 2 fans elsewhere on the internet, only on 4chan, home of the contrarian counterculture faggot.
>>12482939ALTTP is not watered down or dull at all, both games are similar difficulty and ALTTP has much more dense and detailed overworld, better combat, better enemy and boss design, and much more unique, complex, and interesting dungeon design.
>>12482984There is literally not even one aspect that Zelda 2 does better than ALTTP.Well combat are much better and the music too
>>12482986>both games are similar difficultyYeah you clearly haven't played Zelda 1
>>12482840Zelda 2 was largely considered superior to the original back in the NES days. The "black sheep" label didn't come until later, after later entries based themselves more on Zelda 1 and Zelda 2 felt like more of a weird spinoff than a proper sequel.
>Game is a different genre than rest of series (barring stuff like CDi shit)>Someone preferring it must be a contrarian>Can't be because they prefer that genre and wish the series had more entries in itIts not even in my top 5, but come on now.
>>12482846I'm not gonna say CotM was the best Metroidvania, but it's definitely my favorite from that era and might be my favorite Metroidvania. However, I'm not a huge Metroidvania nerd like some /vr/ faggots here and have only played a grand total of like five of them. At any rate, the DSS card system is good autistic fun and the atmosphere is better than the other GBA games.
>>12482987>jarpiggy grinding crap in an action game>this jarpiggy grinding crap leads to MASSIVE power differences, where just a couple levels (few minutes of grinding) makes you twice as strong>instead of actually adventuring and finding gear that gives you a satisfying power increase, you.... just farm the same trashmob 200x and congrats you got the master sword now!!!>trashmobs can take 10+ hits to die and one shot you, or die in one hit and need 10+ hits to kill you purely depending on your jarpiggy grinding level>shitty, broken hitboxes for numerous enemies>tiny little dagger sword that jabs 3 inches in front of Link>combat is massively dumbed down as you only have left/right to move instead of all four directions, and most fights are now just 1v1 instead of vs multiple enemies; nothing better exemplifies this than the shitty final boss where you sit in a corner the whole time>magic system that encourages just ignoring enemies>generic recolored dungeons Zelda 2's combat is fucking shit and you're an absolute fucking retard
>>12482992I beat both games on original hardware with nothing but the manual.Zelda 1 has a bigger difficulty spike (more frustrating bs than difficult) in the wizzrobe dungeon, but ALTTP was more consistently difficult. Zelda 1 would have more obtuse progression, but the manual basically lays everything out for you
Those who prefer Zelda 2 are the same ones who consider FF1 a masterpiece. They barely qualify as human.
>>12482840>Is there a bigger sign of terminal contrarianism and profound mental retardation than preferring Zelda 2?Saying BotW is bad and not the peak of the franchise, not basically Zelda 1 in the modern day
>>12483046Zelda 1 is fun due to its immediacy. BotW is just about the complete opposite. Not to mention Zelda 1 has 9 combat dungeons that comprise around 50% of your playtime while BotW has only 4 dungeons that comprise <10% of your play-time and they are almost entirely puzzle-based aside from the copy-pasted and reskinned boss at the end.
>>12483021>but ALTTP was more consistently difficult.
>>12483014Nah, it feel great unlike Zelda 3 terrible feedbackYou have 2 levels of attack (up and down) a jump buttons with the possibility of an upward attack or a downward attack with very challenging enemies , you need to learn their patternBaby piss easy Zelda 3 combat are such a huge downgrade it's embarrasing
>>12483132jump attack is useless in most situations except where it just trivializes the fight. Most sidescroller games usually have ranged attacks, multiple planes, or multiple attack types and abilities to at least give it some depth. Zelda II is literally just 1v1 duel attack at max range and that's it for every enemy and encounter in the game, or you can just jump right past many enemies with no real penalty. It's so boring and one-dimensional compared to Zelda 1, let alone ALTTP, and the jarpiggy grinding crap on top just really makes it one of the worst combat systems of all time. Zelda 2 is not even that difficult, it's just extremely poorly balanced due to the jarpiggy grinding crap: it's extremely easy if you grind a lot or cheese the dungeon levelups until later, and it's extremely hard (or at least very tedious and annoying) if you don't grind and cheese the dungeon levelups. >>12483125This was my experience playing on original hardware (MiSTer FPGA), no save states/rewind/cheats, no guides, just the manual. Outside of that one wizzrobe dungeon, most of Zelda 1 is very reasonable as long as you don't miss the major upgrades. I played ALTTP right after Zelda 1 so it should have been even easier, and I still found it overall more consistently difficult, but Zelda 1 had more difficulty spikes. I really love Zelda 1, it's my favorite game on the NES, I just don't think it's harder than ALTTP, and I would say both are challenging but fair for the first playthrough.
>shitty autistic loser zoomer bait thread #187356891378you will never experience happiness or love
>>12482894>The game was popular back in the day and sold well.unironically a telltale sign that a nes game is shit
>>12484064>muh obscure jponly RPG is the best because nobody played it!
>>12483680But this isn't bait? They are two different games for one.
>>12482914people do this?
