Why is /vr/ so fucking contrarian and retarded about this game?It's about as perfect as an action adventure game can get, and the closest any retro game has come to a true 10/10, and yet /vr/ has the fucking gall to call shit like Zelda 2 and Alundra better
Zelda 2 and Alundra ARE better, though.
>>12487415>Why is /vr/ so fucking contrarian and retarded about this game?Because it's not Ocarina of Time.
>>12487418Alundra isn't even good
>>12487420>because it's not a game that's leagues better in every single aspect
>>12487415Yep, it's basically perfect... controls, gamefeel, combat, artstyle, atmosphere, soundtrack, enemy designs, boss designs, overworld, hidden secrets, pacing, puzzles, dungeons, story, replayability. Not to mention it is like THE single best game for randomizer runs (due to aforementioned perfect fundamentals). LITERALLY the only flaws it has (and they're very minor at that) is reused dungeon music and lack of Hard/Hero mode (fixed with romhack now).It's just one of those games that is so good it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy when you play and then you feel a bit sad when you see the credits roll.
pink hair faggot girly game
>>12487418Here we see the retarded contrarian in their natural habitat.The one who praises Zelda 2 is the same retard who calls FF1 and Actraiser a masterpiece, it barely qualifies as human.
>>12487431FF1 is okay and I've never played Actraiser.
The people who prefer Zelda 1, I can maybe understand, even though it's a pretty big stretch considering ALTTP does like 20 aspects better than Zelda 1 and only like 2-3 aspects worse.But Zelda 2 is just fucking baffling, it does literally not even one single thing better than Zelda 1, is a a universal downgrade, and compared to ALTTP it's like putting toddler scribble against the Sistine Chapel.
Probably because the dungeons in the dark world are garbageProbably the worst second half in a Zelda game ever.
>>12487450Just admit that you got filtered by Zelda 2 and that it was too difficult for you to beat.
>>12487469Zelda 2 is the easiest of the trilogy, it just has gay jarpig grinding crap in it that makes it the most poorly balanced by far, especially if you don't powerfarm or cheese the dungeon levelups. Jarpig grinding crap is bad enough in an action game, but every 2 levels doubling your stats is just an insane amount of powercreep that throws any semblance of balance directly into the trashcan. It's really easy to dunk on Zelda 2 fags because they're all actual sub 80 IQ retards
>>12487475You didn't even fucking play it.>hurr durr it's jarpig crapFucking pathetic.
>>12487468WatThose are universally regarded as the best dungeons.
>>12487475>trilogywhat the fuck are you talking about moron
>>12487479In what universe? ALttP gets shat on by pretty much every other retro Zelda game, including the Game Boy games.
>>12487484I'd say *especially* the game boy games. They're the ones that basically reworked LttP's style of gameplay for the better and showed what you can actually do with 2D Zelda dungeons.
>>12487478>jarpiggy grinding crap in an action game>this jarpiggy grinding crap leads to MASSIVE power differences>where just a couple levels (few minutes of grinding) makes you literally TWICE as strong>instead of actually adventuring and finding gear that gives you a satisfying power increase, you.... just farm the same trashmob 200x and congrats you got the master sword now!!!>trashmobs can take 10+ hits to die and one shot you, or die in one hit and need 10+ hits to kill you purely depending on your jarpiggy grinding level>shitty, broken hitboxes for numerous enemies>tiny little dagger sword that jabs 3 inches in front of Link>combat is massively dumbed down as you only have left/right to move instead of all four directions, and most fights are now just 1v1 instead of vs multiple enemies; nothing better exemplifies this than the shitty final boss where you sit in a corner the whole time>magic system that encourages just ignoring enemies>generic recolored dungeons Zelda 2's combat is fucking shit and you're an absolute fucking retard. Jarpiggy crap has no place in an action game, and even by jarpiggy standards, it's embarrassingly balanced and extremely poorly implemented.
>>12487494Truth. ALttP is pretty much a prototype for what 2D Zelda could truly be. Legitimately a step backwards from the NES games, ironically enough.
>>12487501Just git gud, fuckin faggot retard
>>12487494ALttP is the last Zelda with combat and hazard focused dungeons, where the puzzle is mostly learning the labyrinthine layout and the actual puzzles are usually minor, but challenging due to simultaneous combat and hazards while doing them. ALttP feels like a true sequel and refinement to Zelda 1 design, in a way that none of the other 2D Zelda games do.Future Zelda games all use the same formula of linear puzzle dungeons.
>>12487507This is always the last and final cope that Zelda 2tards have to cling onto. It's their pride and joy, the biggest accomplishment in their life, and they will defend it to the death.Congrats little buddy, you did it, you beat Zelda 2. Now go eat some fucking paint chips or something.
>>12487514Cool reddit spacing. You can go back at any time.
This thread is extremely retarded, a blight in this dead board.
>>12487507>"just git gud">read: spend 15 minutes powerfarming, save dungeon levelups until near the end, use magic to skip most combat encounters (or just jump right over them), beat le epic final boss by going in the corner, closing your eyes and mashing attack>Congrats! You can now steamroll the gameWhat a well-designed and balanced game! Totally not a massive fucking piece of shit!
>>12487525>it's not press b to win so it's automatically bad
>>12487517Reddit spacing is a meme to out newfags. Early 4chan had even more frequent spacing, like the one in this post.
>>12487531>formatting my post like i'm posting on a different website means i'm an oldfag, actually
>>12487510>ALttP is the last Zelda with combat and hazard focused dungeonsSeasons does this better and the Oracle games give you more intentional ways to deliberately handicap yourself so that they are properly hard.AlttP not only denies you this, but has tons more game breaking crap like the medallions and invulnerability items and bee and four bottles etc. It's difficulty is never like the original where you're thrown into an actively hostile world that you have to explore to survive.
>>12487535Link's Awakening did it better too.
>>12487529Such is the cycle of the 75 IQ Zelda 2tard, get completely destroyed trying to defend the biggest piece of kuso dogshit, then just desperately regurgitate the same trite garbage over and over until you get bored, about how it's sooooo hard and anyone who calls out its numerous massive gaping flaws is just filtered.Clearly it is not possible to for a game to be bad for any other reason than it being too hard. Clearly any and all difficulty is a positive, regardless of how well it's actually designed or implemented.
>>12487541Zelda 2 isn't flawed. You are. You lack the patience and discipline to master such a game and instead spend your time endlessly whining and coping.
>>12487415It's okay. I think it was a step down from both of the NES entries, though
>>12487535The medallions are hardly useful as they use so much magic, and you don't get four bottles until lategame (and must explore extensively, most people won't find all this without a guide), plus wasting that much potions constantly will get very expensive meaning you will have to manually farm rupees. Zelda 1 and ALTTP are about the same difficulty, ALTTP is more consistently difficult with more complex enemies and bosses, but Zelda 1 has a couple bigger difficulty spikes, such as the wizzrobe dungeon (although it's mainly just that one fucking room). If ALTTP gets too easy, play randomizers or use the Hero Mode romhack. ALTTP has a much better foundation for combat, enemies, bosses, and dungeon design. It would be nice if it had a hard mode/hero mode/second quest, but it's still pretty tough unless you've played it extensively, but limiting your items/upgrades or using the romhack can fix any difficulty concerns even for an expert.
>>12487546>patience and discipline>to repetitively grind a monster 200x times because we made a shitty jarpig gameLmao, you are a funny guyBy the way, I beat Zelda 1-3 on original hardware blind with just the manual (I think I looked up like 2 progression related things in Zelda 1 and 2). Zelda 2 is just a shit game that is a massive downgrade from Zelda 1 across the board, it's not about the difficulty. Make a romhack that halves all enemy damage and HP and it would still be a fucking terrible game.
>>12487557I don't believe you. You're asshurt over a 40 year old video game.
Zelda 2 really pushes the limits of kuso that people will defend just to try to one-up someone else and try to flex their e-peen, even in spite of the fact that the complaints are completely unrelated to game difficulty in any way, and that these Zelda 2 fanboy retards have never actually cleared a difficult game in their life.... which is exactly why they are so insecure and feel the need to brag about shitty jarpiggy grinding games instead.
>>12487559Asshurt? Zelda 1 and ALTTP were fantastic. Zelda 2 was a huge downgrade but still somewhat enjoyable just because it's more Zelda.I just find Zelda 2 retards fascinating. Without fail, every single one is profoundly retarded.
>rapes, gapes and filters u in your path
>>12487574Just start doing this with every game.>Didn't like Kirby's Adventure? Filtered>Didn't like Unfinished Shovelware: The Videogame? Obviously it was just too difficult for an inferior gamer like yourself.
>>12487585Zelda 2 isn't even a bad video game. It's tough to get into and ultimately rewarding to master. Most of it's criticism is directed towards the RPG mechanics, which is unironically a filter for retards expecting the game to play itself.
>>12487523You keep pushing your little agenda so why the fuck don't you leave you attention whore?
>another schizo zelda 2 threadget medicated
>>12487569Fuck you
>>12487569My God you're subhuman filth for being this assblasted over a fucking kids toy.
>>12487587It's not a bad game, just a mediocre game sandwiched between the two best game on their respective systems. The RPG mechanics are legitimately bad and add nothing positive to the game, but that's only one issue, it would still be a massive downgrade even without that. And no, powerfarming trashmobs for massive stat increases is not some great filter, it's just braindead tedium and awful balancing. Save that shit for the jarpig retards who love autistic braindead repetition and grinding.
>>12487610It's not even mediocre. It's one of the best games on the NES and it's objectively better than ALttP. It's not better than Zelda 1 or Link's Awakening, however.
>>12487569Imagine getting so filtered by Zelda 2ALTTP was the beginning of the end for the franchise. Turned it into dungeonslop.
>>12487614>It's one of the best games on the NES and it's objectively better than ALttPLeast Obvious Bait Award
>>12487618Cry louder and harder
I've beaten every Zelda from 1 to WW (even had the CDi games as a kid) except for 2. I've played the Oracle games, too.Alttp is my favorite and I'd call it best in the series. I've given explanations enough fucking times.I played LA 10-15 years after the others, I think I would've liked it when I was 10 but it didn't really do it for me, I don't think I would've rated it higher than alttp even as a kid.
>>12487617>ALttP bad because dungeons bad>Zelda 2 good because it's hard>even though 99% of Zelda 2's difficulty is in its dungeonsSee >>12487618
>>12487415>the closest any retro game has come to a 10/10play more fucking videogames
>>12487426but enough about OOT
>>12487415I have no idea. I grew up with the game, and it's always been one of my favorite games. Top 5 since it came out for sure. Of all the games I've played, I've rated it objectively as the 7th best game on my rating system, as a 9.6/10. To this day it's the game I've beaten the most, thanks to the randomizer.
>>12487415>Why is /vr/ so fucking contrarian and retarded about this game?Because they're contrarian about everything. If a game is widely considered a classic, /vr/ is going to shit on it.
>>12487692I've beat over 1000, ALTTP is easily top 10
>>12487693this but majora's mask
super metroid mogs the fuck out of this game. mario 3 is better too. so is links awakening, and ocarina. alttp is great and theres nothing majorly wrong with it but it overstays its welcome by a lot. I did not need to spend that much time in a shitty ugly and boring dark world.
>>12487425OoT is garbage. 3d zelda sucked until BotW.
>>12487717>Good game is too longSome people like longer games. Especially back then when you only got like 3-5 games a year.There are plenty of short games out there for you, why not let us have a few good longer games? Anything I enjoy never overstays its welcome.
>>12487415My big complaint with this game is Princess Zelda gets kidnapped 3 times.
>>12487717Why is it always Super Metroid fanboys that have the worst fucking taste imaginable?Shitty action and platforming, pisseasy enemies and hazards that don't even pose the slightest threat, one-dimensional bosses, and 90% of the game is spent slowly inspecting every title of every room, but it's a masterpiece btw.Fuck off idiot.
>>12487717Super Metroid 100% is 1:20 real time, ALTTP 100% is 1:50 real timeALTTP is not an overly long game in the slightest and has very minimal filler, bloat, or forced timewasting
>>12487721>3d zelda sucked until it became a soulless ubislop clonego back
>>12487721>BotWlmfao
>>12487731Super Metroid is the best game on the SNES by a longshot
my game shits on your game.
>>12487415You’re not wrong. I stopped scrolling just seeing two guys shit post. If u were actually there on release or around that time, after playing LoZ on nes, this game was insane. Graphics, presentation, gameplay, ect it was like LoZ on steroids. Super fun game. Probably the closest u can get to a 10/10 like you said in a retro game.
>>12487747Golden Axe Warrior and Crusader of Centy both shit all over ALttP. SEGA MOGS
>>12487745It's definitely not. It's certainly a cinematic showpiece for the SNES in terms of visuals and sound, but the actual gameplay, enemies, bosses, platforming, and challenge is not all that great. There is no stakes to anything as enemies and hazard pose zero threat (very low damage + very easy to recover HP), bosses are mostly one-dimensional spamfests, and 90% of the game is just spent meticulously checking every tile of every room.
>>12487756It mogs the fuck out of gayboy pink hair Zelda, that's for sure. It doesn't have to be your favorite, but it's objectively the best game for the platform.
>>12487760>muh game objectively betterLow IQ poster
>>12487760>>12487745ALTTP, DKC, DKC2, Mega Man X, SCIV, SMW, Kirby SS, THEN Super Metroid.Super Metroid fans really just value presentation over all else, probably the same retards slurping up modern moviegames.
>>12487767>ALttPNo.>DKC, DKC2Lmao, no.>Mega Man XMaybe.>SCIVMaybe.>SMWLol, no.>Kirby SSNo.
>>12487770>picks the two worst games out of the lotEmbarrassing. Post clears shitter, I want to laugh
>>12487775>SCIV and MMX worse than ALttP, DKC, SMW and Kirby SStendies are mentally retarded and mindbroken through years of slurping literal bing bing wahoo feces
>>12487778Post clears shitter, I need a good laugh
Zelda 3 feel pretty bland and is the beginning of the casualisation of Zelda Zelda 2 just feel better to play and is much more rewardingThe feedback is amazing especially this downward attack feels amazing and you really need to learn the patterns and use your shield on this gameZelda 3 combat is pretty braindead on comparaison and the feedback when you slash an enemies is pretty mehOh and the music in Zelda 2 is also much better ,Sakurai was based to make Zelda 2 music so prevalent in smash bros
The game you like is so shiddy haha
>>12487882>he beginning of the casualization of Zeldahit the nail on the fucking head. just let me play the fucking game, i don't give a rat's ass about the uncle, the princess or the king or any of that shit, just let me play the FUCKING GAME
>>12487903It gives you markers on the map. And you don't even have to follow the dungeon order.That's the only casualization.Having 10 text boxes isn't casualization.
>>12487910The game being much much easier than Zelda 1 and 2 is casualisation
>>12487745>>12487760how do I stop laughing anons?
>>12487946>he really thinks there's a better SNES game than Super Metroid
>>12487415I seriosly thought it was over rated. Of course it was good but I enjoyed the original and OoT much more. Snes like the GameCube and wii U was just the meh 2nd consol.Its aged like fine wine though and I now get the Anons who call it the best.
>>12487415It's good but it's not a 10/10 and every 2d zelda after it's better except minish cap and the ds crap>>12487418No
>>12487882>>12487903The game gives you control after like 5 seconds, and by the first minute you are already into the first dungeon. What is this mental illness?ALttP is about the same difficulty if not harder overall then Zelda 1+2, it just has more consistent difficulty and less massive jolting difficulty spikes.ALttP is a much bigger and more complex game, both in terms of dungeon design as well as combat and enemy/boss design. It's a much better foundation for combat, and if you mastered it to the point where you now find it too easy, just play the Hero Mode romhack or the randomizer (that's still the best randomizer to this day)Also the dungeons can be beat out of order and only a few things have waypoints, it's just the equivalent of an NPC marking your map when they tell you where something is.I've always thought it was fucking strange in games like Morrowind for example, when NPCs sit there and give the most vague, obtuse directions instead of just marking the general area on the map. Like what the fuck do I have this map for jackass..? Again, not everything, and not the precise area down to the pixel, but why the fuck can't NPCs just mark the damn general area?
>>12487936It is not easier, and it's not even close to much easier. ALTTP is a much more complex and better designed game, and has a more consistently difficult curve instead of wildly fluctuating back and forth with huge difficulty spikes. The same people who say this shit have zero clears of note and also absolutely refuse to play the Hero Mode romhack or randomizers but they know they would get their shit pushed in. They just want to try to stroke their ego that they managed to beat two games regarded as somewhat hard to first time blind players, not due to difficult routing or tricky execution or complex design, but just due to obtuse progression and counterintuitive design. Even just understanding a few basic concepts about Zelda 1+2 makes them way easier, see >>12487525 They are more like jarpigs (especially 2) where just breezing over a guide or having someone explain a few pointers about the game can make it massively easier as the actual execution skill is generally low; ALTTP has higher execution skill, it just has less obtuse progression/mechanics.
>>12487953You're a cinematic gamer, you love polish and production values over actual moment-to-moment gameplay, challenge, stakes, enemy/boss design, or platforming/combat. You love meticulously inspecting thousands of tiles over actual competent and challenging combat or platforming.That's okay! ...but definitely don't get an ego about it.
>>12488293>The same people who say this shit have zero clears of note and also absolutely refuse to play the Hero Mode romhack or randomizershack fans are so delusional they cant tell the difference between the real game and the transgendered randomizer kaizo they played. How is this statement relevant at all?
>>12487617>the game that established Zelda as one of Nintendo's most popular franchises, games that are considered system-sellers, was the beginning of the endNow that's a /vr/ take
>>12488304You can always do self-imposed challenges, but a romhack just makes it more consistent and structured. The Hero Mode romhack even offers three different variants similar to what different future Zelda games introduce with Hero Mode, and doesn't change a single other thing besides heart drops and/or damage received. Again, ALttP has extremely solid fundamentals due to its incredible design, all it needs is just a proper hard mode/Second Quest for the expert players to really take advantage of it.
>>12488293>The same people who say this shit have zero clears of note and also absolutely refuse to play the Hero Mode romhack or randomizersHahaha "look the game is hard in this rom hack" what a pathetic copeZelda 1 and 2 don't need hack to be hard It's universally agreed that Zelda 1 and 2 are the hardest Zelda and that Zelda 3 is a clear step down in terms of difficultyCope and seethe as much as you want you know it's true
This thread once again confirming my belief that Zelda 2 fans rode the short bus to school. Just from their writing style you can tell they are as dumb as a bag of bricks.Beating Zelda 2 was literally the peak of their life, juuuust beating out tying their shoes by themselves for the first time.
>>12488306>the game that established Zelda as one of Nintendo's most popular franchises, games that are considered system-sellersLmao Zelda 1 sold more
>>12488310ALttP is more consistently difficult than Zelda 1 and 2. Zelda 1 and 2 just have massive difficulty spikes like wizzrobe dungeon and Death Mountain. Mainly the """difficulty""" of Zelda 1 and 2 is not actually combat or dungeons or puzzles, it's just obtuse progression and counterintuitive mechanics. Most people come from later games, don't want to learn the old style, and immediately dismiss it as too difficult without bothering to even learn them and see they are actually pretty easy games once you know the basics.But once again, difficult is ALL that Zelda 2tards can ever cling to because they know their game is poorly designed kuso dogshit compared to both games before and after it
>>12488315Cope and seethe
>>12488323The absolute state of this board holy shit
>>12488306>the game that established Zelda as one of Nintendo's most popular franchisesWas Ocarina of Time, not ALttP.
>>12488336>the game that established Zelda as one of Nintendo's most popular franchisesWas BotW, not OoT
>>12488323>french>redditor>mobile>no battery>AI retard>FRENCHYou are a waste of space.
>>12488343>the game that established Zelda as one of Nintendo's most popular franchisesIt's the upcoming Sony Pictures movie, not a game.
What the fuck is a Zelda?
>>12487415DKC 1, Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid are 10/10s as well as A Link To The Past
>>12488323What in the literal fuck is even happening right now? How does this post even exist?
