This is absolute bullshit go to hell anyone who said that this was a great RPG.
>>12506107this is top 5 rpg of all time territory. you are strictly a gay retard
All of the original Phantasy Star games are masterpieces, but nothing compares to the Master System original.
>>12506107At least tell us what exactly is troubling you if you want an actual discussion. Or is this just rage bait?
your unsubstantiated opinions didn't deserve its own thread so now instead of discussing how the game could be improved we're all going to call you retarded instead. you lost the game
Another zoomie filtered
Imagine getting filtered by the easiest PS game.
>>12506140I personally found the first game easier. None of the dungeon design are terribly complex, having only one enemy every battle heavily streamlined fighting, and being able to save anywhere was also extremely generous for a JRPG at that time.
>>12506107>it's another "beloved game is actually bad" threadThis again?
>>12506303piss off with this retard take, alll games are open to criticism and shitting upon
>>12506398Of course. But threads that just say something like "Ocarina of Time sucks balls" or something similarly provocative with no substance are super common on /vr/. Lazy threads like that are also open to criticism and shitting upon.
>>12506404ok buy all you did was the same bullshit in reverse. appeal to authority: game is good, thread bad
>>12506404That said, there are plenty of lazy threads that are just like "this game rules" or something too. So whatever. Just feels like lazy trolling most of the time, but maybe OP genuinely has a problem with it.>>12506405lazy post
>>12506406lazy post
Let's make it more interesting then.>>12506107OP, tell us why you aren't enjoying it.
>>12506406There is actually nothing wrong with a thread declaring "this game rules." It's an inviting position, it puts a flag in the ground and says "if you think so too, chime in." and creates an environment for discourse.Doing the opposite but not really producing any content for it is extremely lazy. "This game sucks!" OK? And? What parts? Why do we have to fill in the blanks for you? We already don't like where you're coming from, and you aren't even putting your foot forward. When you don't offer the object the critique you demand, you become the object in its place because you already have presented your own flaws.It's terrible thread directing and should be grounds for a 3 day break.
>>12506416lazy paragraphing
>>12506416Yeah, that makes sense.
>>12506419Lazy capitalization. Apply yourself.
>>12506416>and creates an environment for discourse.circle jerking, much like "this game sucks", is not discourse. >"this game rules"OK? And? What parts? Why do we have to fill in the blanks for you?its the same shit.
>>12506430Not that anon, but I do think the popular beliefs about a game change how those discussion go.Imagine I just made a thread saying "Bubsy 3D kicks ass." It would sound like pointless contrarianism, right? Unless I give some reasons, people will fairly just interpret it as shitposting. But positive posting is still an invitation to share good experiences with the game, while negative posting is effectively a challenge to people who enjoyed it. And if the challenge to a game you like has no substance, there's nothing to say really, only thing people can do is ask "why?" or blow it off.
>>12506439So >Bubsy 3D kicks assand>Ocarina of Time sucks assare both lazy and contrarian, but one comes off as more of a challenge to other posters.
And it's not to say any game should be cut off from criticism or people shouldn't share their love of games considered shit. It's fair to share your opinion either way, even if you don't want to back it up. It's just you shouldn't be surprised when people treat it as shitposting for the sake of it when you don't explain yourself.
Even a Bubsy 3D kicks ass thread would at least get ulillillia videos posted in it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09MzaJVH5b4
>>12506439you're making assumptions based on vibes. "if its positive, im inclined to share my positive stuff" and completely ignoring "if its negative, im inclined to share why i think its negative too". you see a positive as an invitation, but a negative as a challenge. while thats very wholesome and optimistic of you, it is semantically incorrect. there are plenty of people that see empty praise as a challenge and invitation to share their negative experiences, and think that the praiser is shitposting. there are people that will see "this game sucks" as an invitation to further shit on it. they are very real and valid interpretations/reactions to "this game rules/sucks".empty praise and empty insults are both equally empty and lazy. they both equally "invite" and "create an environment for discourse" by way of simply being a thread with a topic. one is not more valid than the other>popular beliefspopulation/quantity of whether they see it as an invitation or challenge is meaningless. discourse is discourse, but empty praise/insults are still empty. volume does not affect quality.
>>12506453>population/quantity of whether they see it as an invitation or challenge is meaninglessHow is it meaningless? That's something that determines how the discussion generally goes.
>>12506453>and think that the praiser is shitpostingJust saying you enjoyed a game is far less likely to be considered shitposting. You'd have to go a little over-the-top with it to be perceived that way. Like if I were to post "Ocarina of Time is a perfect game" on /v/ or something, then yeah it would get a bunch of posts shitting on it and posting the Egoraptor video.
>>12506460quality of discourse and integrity of points determine how discussion goes. one-off drops of praise or hate dont amount to much. a thread that starts as empty praise/shit is likely to stay as empty and dull. people actually standing for what they believe in are what determine how discussion goes. even if something starts as empty, can somebody else show up to put in more effort? sure. even if somebody starts a thread with effort, will it carry on without shitposting or empty praise/insults? not necessarily.
PS4 was the first JRPG that I've ever finished. Not my top 10 but I am still nostalgic for it
faggy reddit debate itt
>>12506463>"this game rules">less likely to be considered shitpostingdamn, its awfully brave of you to admit your illiteracy and lack of critical thought. im really sorry for your condition.
>>12506470I'm sorry you couldn't understand the point being made. No need to resort to insults, it's okay to admit you can't argue with the post.
>>12506470>>12506472this bickering faggot shit is WAY worse than op griping without elaboration. you faggots live to fight like high school girls on here. YOU are the cancer
>>12506475We're just having fun, relax.
>>12506476no you’re not. and you trained this board into nothing but insane fighting. there are other boards not like this. you fags are psychotic
>>12506479I think it's actually a kind of interesting discussion about the meta of "popular game sucks" threads.
>>12506479>there are other boards not like thisSuch as?
>>12506472no i understand the point that you're making. you're again relying on "vibes" and that people will interpret something positive as something genuine. FACTUALLY it is just as empty as "this game sucks". it is in FACT shitposting all the same. whether you "consider it" shitposting or not is irrelevant. your own failure to recognize what is in front of you is irrelevant and doesnt change the FACTS. thank you for proving me right though.
>>12506485tv has all the same degree of nerdy discussion, humor, shitposting and then very juicy threads with great recommendations in the way vr used to and it’s WAY less hostile, people arn’t at each other’s throats and sabotaging constantly like current vr
>>12506493>/tv/ is differentlmao no it isnt. every board has their genuine anons, and every board has empty shitposters. sure, some boards have more shitposting than others (like /v/), but genuine discussion can easily be found, especially if you pull your own part for that discussion. also /tv/ is plagued by a handful of concurrent perpetual generals for a "show" that nobody has ever even heard of, let alone talk about. for some reason, mods dont do anything when clearly these dipshits just want a "hangout place" to live chat their slop. no idea why they dont just make a discord.
>>12506496>also /tv/ is plagued by a handful of concurrent perpetual generals for a "show" that nobody has ever even heard of, let alone talk about.holy newb normalfaggot
>>12506503/tv/ is literally the only place i have ever seen a single thing about it. i've asked coworkers and others if they've ever even heard of it. not a single one had. on top of that, its straight slop.
>>12506506>i've asked coworkers and others if they've ever even heard of it.do you realize what site you’re on
>>12506510explain how that matters or proves me wrong in any way.
>>125061403 is even easier, the hardest thing is getting through the boring predictable story.
>>12506107I think it’s pretty good.
>>12506496What makes you think your workplace happens to be universally representative? I don't ho to /tv/ but it's funny your main complaint is that there are a bunch of people there talking about a show that apparently no one watches or has heard of. >>12506107Maybe if you actually talked about why you think it's bullshit and gave some reasons articulating it then there would have been a discussion about the game instead of meta arguments. I think you know that already though.
>>12506514the things that board anons know about are not the same as normies, except i guess you’re a normalfaggot and don’t get it
>>12508218i've asked more than just coworkers, and i have asked people of a wide variety of ages and social circles. none of them have ever even heard of it. they of course have heard of other reality shows, and some even watch those, but never the one that is spammed on /tv/. >a bunch of people there talking about a showin multiple concurrent generals, those threads alone are like 3x the traffic of the entire rest of the board. its not natural. >>12508332>le super secret clubhousenot an argument. and like i said above, the traffic for those threads alone is far greater than the entire rest of the board combined, and it is easily evidenced by comparing to the times when the "show" is not airing. its not natural, and that type of thread is best conducted in a discord or something similar. its worse than live posting during the oscars.
>>12506398Make me~ ;3
>>12508462>the traffic for those threads alone is far greater than the entire rest of the board combined, and it is easily evidenced by comparing to the times when the "show" is not airing. its not natural, and that type of thread is best conducted in a discord or something similar. its worse than live posting during the oscars.has nothing to do with anon’s point that tv, as an example? is way less hostile than vr. you uts are the biggest assholes on the internet
>>12508471its filled with just as much shit and more. at least 25% of it is whining about pure /pol/ shit. like i said in my original response about it, every board has their genuine anons that you can connect with and discuss, but every board is also rampant with absolute dogshit and bad actors. bringing up the garbage generals was secondary. literally right now there are a ton of threads starting with "hostile" OPs. "who watches this shit?", "who is this for?", "The quality really took a nosedive with this one", "gross", "why was this such a controversial show?", ">The Three Musketeers >There's four of them This isn't hard", "this is a gay cuckold show and fuck you faggots for making me watch it", "SAAR DO NOT REDEEM SPIRITS ARE YOU PROSTITUTE? BENCHOD FUCK YOU BLOODY", etc.
>>12508462I don't know what /tv/ thread you're talking about, but 4chan has always been like this. It attracts people who don't feel at home in other places because they have different taste, so yes it's "natural" they'd obsess over similar things that other places don't obsess with. Then sometimes years later those same things become "hidden gems" for everyone else too.Now let me switch the discussion to something not NOT RETRO. For instance /v/ circa 2010 was all over God Hand, see the God Hand edit meme. Nobody else cared about God Hand back then. Nowadays it's such the "hidden gem" for everyone else too that I've seen our local contrarian call it "Reddit Hand" because he's such a newfag he has no idea the love for this game originated from 4chan and just saw the "everyone else" part because reddit is probably where he came from since a certain election.So yeah, these things happen. Granted, these days you can never know which thread is geniune and which thread is just bots doing marketing or trying to sway opinion.
>>12508462>i've asked more than just coworkers, and i have asked people of a wide variety of ages and social circles.Sorry dude, but this is legit just funny. That you are seething so hard over the generals for some reality show that you go about in your real life asking coworkers and anyone else you come across if they know about it. When they wonder why you're asking them about some obscure reality show do you tell them it's because the tv board of 4chan talks about it a lot and you want to confirm it's not as popular as they think? I need more details, this is great.
>>12508462>i've asked more than just coworkers, and i have asked people of a wide variety of ages and social circles.Sorry dude, but this is super funny to me. The thought of you going around and asking coworkers and other people you bump into if they've heard about some obscure reality show because you're seething that it gets active threads on 4chan's tv board is grand. When they wonder why you're bringing this show up do you enlighten them that it's because it seems more popular on 4chan than you think it warrants? I need more details, this is too good.
>>12508540>Nobody else cared about God Hand back thenit might not have been a breakout hit selling millions, but people absolutely heard about it. the same way "nobody knew about earthbound" but everyone had seen it at video stores.
>bro abandoned his thread shitting on Phantasy Star II the instant he was accused of not playing it>makes one about Phantasy Star IV immediately afterYou didn't play that game either lmao
>>12508883It's probably the same guy who was claiming that Chrono Trigger only became known after the PS1 collection release.
>>12506107>This is absolute bullshitIt's just bland.
