sonic franchise peaked here
>>12514402Whoops wrong image
>>12514407real world inconsistency crap ft edgie the edgehog edgy crap
>>12514402how did this fight canonically go? as I kid I always wondered how come Sonic falls into Earth after flying through 5-10 minutes. shouldnt he fucking be past Jupiter??
>>12514424Sonic's whole point is being cool and edgy retard
>>12514431he never leaves orbit, anonthey're flying around the planet
>>12514441sonic point was being cooler than mario dumbass90s cool, nice and cozy2000s was the decade of emo and vampires and nu metal and evanescence you casual dipshit
>>12514442like this?? that looks anticlimatic and not as badass..
>>12514445>sonic point was being cooler than mario dumbassYes and 00's Sonic is both cooler than Mario and the lamer classic Sonic people only worship because of nostalgia
>>12514456sonic is actually the kid that tries too hard to be cool and does whatever is trending at the moment to be cool but is actually a tryhard loser
>>12514461He is cool in universe
>>12514467he was something cozy old school american cool in the 90s (because cool in japan meant being american), then edgy seinen cool in the 2000s then disney kid-friendly *cool* (safe) in the 2010s then currently is idk i fucking dropped him in generations when he became a fucking pokemon and only a shadow of himself to pander to mainstream and kidsfrontiers looked anime angst to me so that's it, anime tryhard cool
>>12514449Thats what it is, they're never just in space, why else would Mobius be in the background the whole time?
It's a cool-looking minigame but it's not really peak anything because it's easy as fuck and the fight before it, while an actual boss fight and a good 2nd form, has the most boring 1st form ever.Peak climax for final boss is still Mobile Suit Robo from Sonic 2, but the real peak of the 3 and S&K 1994 games is not the main campaign, which is too cinematic and bloated at times, but the Grand Prix mode with levels that, while short, provide a great sense of classic Sonic gameplay more in line with levels from 1 and 2, and being short loops worth in its advantage here because it just straight up obstacles and pure platforming, only complaint I have being the switched you have to touch but ok that adds to the precision platforming and only happens once per loop.Also: very lowkey better stage visuals and music than the main campaign levels, too
>>12514685>and the fight before it, while an actual boss fight and a good 2nd form, has the most boring 1st form ever.dont tell me you're so retarded you dont spindash and ricochet through all its fingers, making it very fun
>>12514789I do, meh.
>>12514402For me? I'd say the peak was Sonic 2 on Master System.
>>12514402Sonic CD is objectively the best sonic game but the doomsday zone canon wise is so important, if sonic had lost here there probbaly wouldn't be any more sonic games since eggman can simply deactivate the emeralds using the master emerald. Really makes this feel like a true final showdown.
>>12514431It goes exactly how you see it, he just flys through space until he beats Eggman then flys back down. The canonical ending is the hyper sonic transformation version of this fight, not super sonic.
>>12514407It certainly got worse after that one
>>12514402https://youtu.be/Ww0ecdhL6n8anybody remembers this??>it's youtube kids nowGOD FUCKING DAMMIT WHY
>>12514402>sonic franchise peaked hereBoss fights peaked there, IMO. I still think this is untouched by most games if not all.
>>12515550Oof that's ancient but it was super cool, kind of sad it was never finished.
>>12515564the trilogy aswell. you can feel everything led to that fightrobotnik, he was fucking badass, i dont think he ever topped what he did in the trilogy. his sheer tenacity here was to be clapped and admired. he turned into a "uhh I play with gods and got btfo'd and huilliated in seconds xddd" clown
>>12515112i can assume the chase lasted only 1 minute at most?>The canonical ending is the hyper sonic transformation version of this fight, not super sonic.huh?nothing in the game ever adresses the super emeralds. everything foreshadowed super sonic and the normal emeraldsso how?
>>12514402S3&K really was the perfect ending to the 16-bit Sonics.
Why did they feel the need to switch over to 3D when they had the perfect formula? It’s not like they couldn’t produce 2D Sonic on Sega Saturn + Dreamcast. Squaresoft kept the 2D format for Final Fantasy Tactics on the PS1.
>>12515771read >>125144613d was the cool shit back then. why wouldnt he?
>>12515771While all their competitors went 3D? That'd be marketing suicide. Besides, who knows what a proper Sonic follow-up would have looked like. Yuji Naka was like the 16-bit Kojima of his day, and was constantly sabotaging others. Early Sonic being as good as it was almost seems like a fluke when you read up on all the bullshit that went on with him, and between SoJ and SoA.
>>12514431>shouldnt he fucking be past Jupiter??Sonic moves at something like speed of sound canonically. You need 34x of that just to even reach escape velocity. Spaceships that go to orbit have to reach over 40000 km/h, and it took the Apollo missions 3 days to reach the moon even with that.Speed of sound is bugger all when talking about outer space distances.
>>12515754>The ending where Knuckles shows his gesture as Sonic and tails fly away is only seen if you are Hyper Sonic in the doomsday zone>It's considered canon that Sonic carried the master emerald back to angel island, which only hyper sonic does>the hyper knuckles ending is also canon, because otherwise knuckles wouldn't be able to get the master emerald back to angel island.
>>12515867uhhh dont nerd me i just threw a random planet name to make a point that he should be far far awayno i didnt understand anything what you said lol
>>12515876i dont remember the rest because i havent played it since i was a pubert ages agobut there is something very, very wrong there>The ending where Knuckles shows his gesture as Sonic and tails fly away is only seen if you are Hyper Sonic in the doomsday zoneso? if an ADDED cutscene played where hyper sonic was fucking tails, would that make it magically canon??that is just a random added cutscene, there is no plot weight in that. it added nothing, it was just a little playful cutscene
>>12515112>The canonical ending is the hyper sonic transformation version of this fightI thought Hyper Sonic got retconned? yes that's gay as fuck but just stating facts
>>12515932>no i didnt understand anything what you said lolif they were flying at full speed for 10 minutes, they'd still only be 10 minutes of distance from the planet.to reach past Jupiter in 10 minutes they'd have to fly at 5 times the speed of light, which even assuming Sonic can do using some in-game fictional chaos emerald mumbo jumbo, Robotniks spaceship(s) could not.
>>12516008hyper sonic was not canon, it and the super emeralds were just a random bonus they threw in there for people who bought both games.no, I have no clue how hidden palace must have looked like before they decided on making the games lock-on. perhaps some of the prototypes have hidden palace looking different?
>>12514445>2000s was the decade of emo and vampires and nu metal and evanescenceThat stuff came along well after the two Sonic Adventure games.
>>12514441yeah but he was cool edgy. shadow is incel edgy
>>12514402Agree. There's no way to describe how awesome this was unless you played the first three Sonic games as they released.
>>12514789Eggman's designs peaked here, rad robot
>>12516671That doesn't mean it wasn't canon, that just means it wasn't part of the original plan. That's like saying the doomsday dragon is canon because that was the original final boss that was supposed to "hatch" from the Death Egg. And while not-retro, Mania already has Super Emerald monuments in Hidden Palace, so that settles that...
>>12515087not with that dogshit level design and screen crunch
>>12516008>>12516671Hyper Sonic and the super emeralds ARE canonical, but the lore reason they don't appear is they're in another dimension sonic can't reach which is just Sega's way of saying that they're not coming back, but they are still very much canon and almost appeared in sonic mania.
>>12515963The added cutscene is small but that is proof it's canonical, also why would hyper sonic be a thing if it wasn't canon / the hyper sonic transformation ending wasn't canon? It is unique to Sonic 3 & Knuckles and has since never reappeared again. So yes, this is the canon way the game ended and the canon transformation sonic took to defeat eggman.
>>12514685I hardly played competition mode, did I miss out?
>>12517539>level designSubjective.>screen crunchNot on Master System.
>>12514402Peak Sonic rad-ness as well.>>12517565>added cutscene is small but that is proof it's canonicalIts the hardest to get so that would be my guess as well.>>12515109>eggman can simply deactivate the emeralds using the master emeraldOk can someone explain how these things work? Chaos emeralds are power sources I get that but the master emerald cancels that out?
>>12518017The Master Emerald is the primary controller of chaos energy which is what the chaos emeralds use, so the master emerald can deactivate the chaos emeralds at the will of whoever has the master emerald.
>>12518045Pretty sure only Knuckles knows how to do that, going by Adventure 2. For Eggman, it's just an even bigger Chaos Emerald to crank up his machines even more.
>>12518051I mean eggman is smart enough to probably figure it out himself overtime, idk if it's explicitly stated that only Knuckles can do it but he is the only character with the largest understanding of chaos energy and how it works, hence why he managed to knock sonic out of his super form pretty easily.
>>12517027>>12517557What games mentioned the Super Emeralds after S&K? And don't say Sonic Mania, that game is a western fanwank bric-a-brac where they cut together everything from the 16-bit games they could (except good gameplay).
>>12518056If you exclude it being scrapped in mania then literally no game besides S3&K mentions the super emeralds, Sega hates them after all and is extremely autistic on who can even go super anyway.
>>12518060I forgot to mention that ian flynn did want the super emeralds to return for sonic frontiers but sega shot this down instantly, so I guess you can count that.
>>12518017>Its the hardest to get so that would be my guess as well.You get an extra animation BECAUSE you beat the game with everything collected. It's your reward for it. That doesn't make it canon, otherwise you may as well argue that the Tails-only ending is canon and he has four super flickies as best friends.
>>12518056..Actually Sonic Adventure, perhaps?>The seven Emeralds aren't yet called Chaos Emeralds in Tikal's time>The past Emeralds are noticeably a LOT bigger on the Master Emerald altar>theory that the Chaos and Super Emeralds are actually the same, they can just get super-powered by the Master EmeraldIt's not outright stated, but it's subtext.
>>12518052>hence why he managed to knock sonic out of his super form pretty easilywhat even is super sonic anyway? gameplay gives him invulnerability, everything he touches receives damage. 3d cutscenes has him struggling, caring to dodge stuff, hell, eggman trappee him in unleashedactually dont need to go that far. pic related >>12514402 has him being knocked back by asteroids and misslesso how does it work really??
>>12518062They wouldn't even let Sonic's new transformation be called Hyper Sonic. It's literally called "Super Sonic 2".
>>12518073Super Sonic is a transformation (unlike super saiyan which is an instinct) the main way super sonic gets fucked up is when he's caught off guard or isn't focused, canonically super sonic remains super via his focus and not by having 50 rings which is simply a gameplay gimmick. For why sega wants him to be constantly fucked up by everyone or rely on others, that's just the terrible modern writing team I can imagine.>>12518075Sega just hates hyper for some reason which makes no fucking sense in hindsight, but they're also autistically protective over who specifically is allowed to go super or not (male hedgehogs rule and all). For the OP image, being knocked back by missiles is just a gameplay mechanic to balance it out.>>12518065They aren't his "best friends", the flickies are super because tails is both a fox and a child so he cannot handle the amount of chaos energy necessary to go super/hyper like sonic or knuckles effortlessly can.>>12518071Don't the chaos emeralds allow the super emeralds to activate in the first place? Going by the scene in S3&K anyway, they activate the path for sonic to go to the special stage dimension to get the super emeralds.
>>12514402Honestly, SEGA peaked here. This was the height of their popularity and influence. It was all downhill starting in 95
>>12518107If SOA and SOJ just cooperated, we wouldn't be in this mess.
>>12518107All downhill for Nintendo, too. Without Sega giving them a reason to bring their top effort to compete, they got lazy and sloppy.
>>12518112Nintendo's newest rival is the one they accidentally created because they wanted to make a CD addon tbqh.
>>12518113Nintendo never cared about competing with Sony the way they did with Sega. If anything, that was the start of their ongoing "fuck you all, we do what WE want" attitude.
>>12517027>doomsday dragon is canon because that was the original final boss that was supposed to "hatch" from the Death Eggthe fucking what now? that sounds cool as fuck. source?
>>12518101The way it plays out in the game is a little strange.>in Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic 3 & Knuckles (if you have Chaos Emeralds but not Super Emeralds) the grayed-out "Super Emeralds" are situated around where the Master Emerald is; no special attention is given to themThen in Sonic 3 & Knuckles:>enter a Special Ring in the Sonic & Knuckles half and you're transported to the altar - if you have any Chaos Emeralds, you lose access to super form in gameplay as they fly out and form these "gray statues">when you stand on one here, you're transported to its Special Stage - beat it and you obtain a Super Emerald and restore a flickering colored light to the "emerald statue" until you do all seven and get hyper form>on the save file cards, the Chaos and Super Emeralds occupy the same slot - you only see 7 Emeralds at a time, not 14The way I interpreted this is that the "gray statues" were an in-between state for the Chaos and Super Emeralds, and the flashing-color versions were the Super Emeralds. They were the exact same set of Emeralds, just transformed from bringing them to the Master Emerald. But Sonic Mania interprets them as now-cracked statues that lost their luster. Hard to tell what the actual intent was here due to lack of dialog - maybe it was just easier to write them off as a separate mysterious thing.>>12518141Oh yeah, the true final boss was going to be a dragon and they loosely retooled this idea for the Adventure games and then Superstars.https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3/Concept_ArtIf you ever read a translation of the Japanese manual, the Knuckles portion doesn't make sense since it implies he lost his Emeralds when the Death Egg crashed onto the island (actually come to think of it, these could be the Super Emeralds rather than the Emeralds Sonic had since Sonic 2) and there's this weird echidna prophecy that goes nowhere about a dragon's egg of doom that Knuckles mistakes the Death Egg for and makes him believe Eggman.
>>12518060What? They just gave fucking Amy a super form in Origins.
>>12518370More likely there was simply a retcon between S3 and S&K in that there was only ever the Master Emerald on the island and none of the Chaos set until Sonic arrived.>>12518462Only Sonic gets a true Super form now. The others only get "super powered".
>>12518479>Only Sonic gets a true Super form now. The others only get "super powered"...I mean, the only difference is that they didn't want to make separate sprites for supporting characters' super forms. They already missed several Sonic sprites.
>>12518071>It's not outright stated, but it's subtext.No, it's fan fiction.>>12518101even more fan fiction.
>>12518604what about me fucking your mom, is that fan fiction?yes
>>12514402>no playable Amy/Mighty/Ray add-on cartgood... but peaked? Not quite.
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>>12518060>Sega hates them after allWhy though
>>12514431>shouldnt he fucking be past Jupiter??How far away do you think Jupiter is? It takes four days to reach our own moon.
>Sonic rescue the Master Emerald and destroying the Final Weapon in S3&K>Sonic calming Chaos tf down in Sonic Adventure>Sonic and Shadow teaming up to stop the Biolizard and Gerald's plans in Sonic Adventure 2>Sonic, Tails and Knuckles teaming up to stop Neo Metal Sonic in Sonic Heroes All kino
