Is there any method of cheating more often defended as "perfectly legit", in spite of obviously being cheating, than turbo buttons?
>>12514553>game manuals recommended using autofire controllers>manuafacturers made first party premium autofire controllers>TG16 came with them by default>hurrr its cheating!
>>12514553revolver ocelot will cut your weenie off
>>12514562>>game manuals recommended cheating>>manuafacturers made first party premium cheatslol>TG16 came with them by defaultYour only valid case. On all other platforms it's cheating.
>>12514584When the game developer specifically says "use an autofire turbo button" it is the how the game is meant to be played.Simple as.
>>12514587>>When the game developer specifically says "cheat" it is the how the game is meant to be played.>Simple as.?
>>12514603It's amazing how much /vr/ discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.
>>12514635>discourse>nintendo game playersincompatible
>>12514587There's no such thing as "meant to be played". The rules are there, in the code. You're the one in charge to overcome the challenges whatever way you see fit.And if it's too easy, then use something called "self-restraint" and "discipline" and learn to accept failure and endure frustration, if necessary.Game developers are not your dad to constantly tell what to do. You're 18+, you know what to do. Be a responsible adult and own it. Cheating should only be considered under competitive circumstances, where the level playing field is of utmost importance. Otherwise, it's up to the player. Do what you will.
save state and rewind
>>12514553I used continues on Genesis' Altered Beast, though the manual literally says how to do it and encourages you to do so... is it still cheating?
>>12514663>The rules are there, in the code.Written by the guy who had autofire in mind when making those rules in the code mind you. Consider Mario Party mashing minigames where players are expected to use regular controllers without autofire; the players who can mash effectively are the only ones that can actually compete. If the other players object to skilled players mashing, everyone either have to nerf their mashing or allow autofire. Neither of which are fair choices.
>>12514563I don't buy it
Button mashing used to be considered a skill in itself. Entire games were built around that idea, you wouldn't play Track & Field with auto fire that'd be stupid, and the same goes for some SHMUPs. It's all on a per game basis however.>>12514584First generation of PC-Engine didn't have autofire so if we're talking an early game that was made before the console had autofire (and which may have been ported to TG 16 afterwards), then it's still cheating
>>12515543How many games could that possibly be?
>>12514690Those are not cheating. You still have to beat every part of the game once.Having to reload and rewalk to a randomized treasure chest 50+ times to get the item you need is not any difficult. It just wastes lots of time. Save states can turn this 2 hour task into a <1 minute task.
>>12515557>Obliterating every possible nanoform of punishment to the player is not cheating bro>I'm totally not stuck at this part I don't even know how I got to I'm just saving time bro
>>12515557you don't deserve loot
>>12514584Any game where turning on auto-fire is actually useful and not a detriment isn't really cheating, it's just removing the need for constant button mashing.
>>12515138That's why "cheating should only be considered under competitive circumstances"In this case, either everyone has access to autofire or nobody does.
>>12514553>>manuafacturers made first party premium autofire controllersEvery single controller that nintendo released after the original NES bundled gamepad had turbo buttons.Genesis did the same. Like nintendo, if you wanted an arcade stick it came with turbo buttons by default. This changed midway through the 16 bit era thanks to sf2, where 6 useable buttons were now more in demand than 3+3 turbo.
>>12515810No one ever questioned these as legit until the speedrunners arrived 20 years later and suddenly the offical controllers were now cheating.
>>12515823>electronic sports society and its consequences
>>12514635Thanks for the chuckle, Anon
>>12515557case in point
>>12515823who cares about what speedrunners think?lol. lmao even
>>12517279A lot of people here care about the opinion of a guy who found a 10 inch penis in a gay hookup website and posted onlineIf they care about a guy dipping his toes in lolcow territory, then you can bet they'll care about speedrunners or """""influencers"""""".
>>12517286it's sad. speedrunners are more niche than furry vores
