GameCube was Nintendo's real stumble in the market. What went wrong here?The GameCube was the fastest to cut its price and it did nothing.
>>12519192Mini discs didnt have enough storage. It hurt third party support. PS2 was both a console and a dvd player. The cube couldnt compete.
>>12519192It's a powerful box, built to push insane amounts of polygons, built in on-chip effects, high res textures thanks to texture compression, 4 whopping controller ports, no support for back face culling (?,) supersized 1.4GB discs. Engineered from the ground up to completely, once and for all and in one fell swoop decapitate the Dreamcast.
>>12519192>What went wrong here?Nothing, sometimes things just don't sell, it's bad luck.
6th gen...21st century...Retro...
My furst games wuz sanic and pso for it never played the other Bing Bing wahoo on it
Pretty sure the Virtual Boy was a harder stumble
>>12519228The Virtual Boy and 64DD were tremendous flops, but didn't really have all that much capital invested in them relatively so their failures weren't too bad. The N64 and Gamecube underperformed, but were still profitable. Nintendo didn't REALLY fuck up until the (not retro) Wii U.
-It was kiddie looking and purple (back then purple was the gay color like rainbow flags today)-Their PS2 and Xbox were sleek and cool-Their Zelda and Mario games missed the mark-They released it cheap with the idea of making it up in disc royalties from 3rd parties, who were growing tired of Nintendo's practices -Because of above 3rd party support was hit or miss -Not internet multiplayer friendly when that was really taking offThey made a lot of bad decisions.t. Waited in line at midnight release for it. It was fine, but I also had a PS2 and later an XBox.
Sheer momentum of the PSXnot being able to play DVDs (more significant thank people think, as standalones were expensive at the time)another "weird" controller design with colorful buttonsno Mario game at launchnot backwards compatiblecube design with handle made it seem cute to some, lead to kiddie perceptionlower launch price combined with the above lead to the perception it was a lesser consolenot enough third party support
>>12519192It was the handle, basically.Market surveys found that the Gamecube was highly anticipated by consumers, and slated to do extremely well.Unfortunately, within days of it's launch, stores were reporting that customers were unsure what the handle was for, and, while they were trying to figure it out, spotted that the PS2 was also a DVD player, looked like an upmarket piece of consumer hardware, and was due to have sequels to Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy, as well as exciting new titles like Grand Theft Auto. It's pedigree as the successor to the enormously successful PS1 also made it a more appealing choice for anyone who didn't want a console with a fucking handle on it.Retailers also reported a high level of returned Gamecube consoles, from consumers who hadn't realised that it came with a handle on the back, which apparently made most returnees confused and uncomfortable.
>what if there was a shittier version of ps2/xbox with no games and a fucktarded controller
>>12519263I still wonder to this day what the fuck was the point of the handle on the console.
>>12519307It was to allow you to carry it to a friend's house.This may have misunderstood Nintendo's consumer demographic.
>>12519269thisAlso less space on the disc do to retarded mini disc.
>>12519192It’s easy to forget that the N64 was bolstered almost entirely by the North American market. The GameCube continued that downward trend. The PlayStation brand was just too dominant when the PS2 launched.
>>12519263Saving this for future pasta use except I’m changing realised to realized because I’m not a bonglish/aussie faggot.
Not being able to play DVDs and other CD formats.
>>12519243>I also had a PS2 and later an XBox.Insane how many people here had spoiled childhoods. What the hell kind of parent is willing to buy their kid 3 consoles in the same generation?
>>12519192Never saw any first party titles on sale.
>>12520486>What the hell kind of parent is willing to buy their kid 3 consoles in the same generation?Since you asked.. My parents were *both* O6s in the military with pilots' bonuses when I was growing up. I had a GBA on release date, too. In the '90s my dad would just show up with a CD-i or a Game Gear.I genuinely didn't realize for decades how much they doted on me. Best parents.
>>12519192They were scared so shitless by piracy that they ended up gimping their storage format. They created a console that couldn't play CDs, couldn't play DVDs, and drove away publishers who weren't willing to cut their games down to fit the smaller discs. On top of this, it didn't even stop piracy, though I wouldn't say that piracy itself was a factor in hurting the Gamecube's sales. If anything, it probably would've sold better if more pirates bought it.
>>12520486I used to think this too until I got older and was gainfully employed. Consoles/games weren't actually that expensive, especially considering it's a one time purchase that lasts a few years.I see parents IRL almost once a week that drive new vehicles, have a house in a neighborhood nicer than what suits them, have spare shit overflowing from their closets, but their children's room looks like two pieces of ikea furniture and a clothes bin. Really makes me think that if your parents "couldn't afford" to buy you a console once every half decade they probably just treated you like an obligation.
>>12520486Mine did, but I was an only child and both of my parents were gamers themselves.
>>12520486NTA but I "had" a PS2 in the sense that it was in the living room. It was actually something my step father brought with him and eventually got disinterested in so it became mineI think the only new consoles actually bought for me was a Gameboy, maybe a gamecube, and a 360 way down the line. Although the 360 stayed in the living room too, so maybe it wasn't actually mine until a year or two
>>12520486I grew up in a single parent household with no child support being paid and even I got all 3 because my mom loved me. Even had multiple siblings.
>>12519263>>12519378>put console in bag>bag has handles>carry handles on bagNintendo lost to Sony because they forgot that bags have handles.
>>12520549>>12520543>>12520538>>12520535I grew up in section 8 in blAkron, everyone in the neighborhood had them because we would just get them used when the middle class and rich kids from the suburbs ditched them. The suburb kids always just wanted the latest thing, and would toss the old thing to the curb right away. Used prices were really low back then, especially right as the new thing comes out because the trade in stores would have a massive surplus of old shit all at once. Best part, most of us didn't have a sense of how old this stuff was because that's what everyone in the neighborhood was on. I do remember this one kid having a dreamcast like 2 years before everyone else, but I didn't even realize how much older my shit was since he was just playing resident evil on it. I got a genesis in like 95 or something and had no Idea that was a console from the 80s older than me. Then it made its way to my room when the PS1 replaced it in the living room. Don't know what happened to the PS1 but eventually even the PS2 made it's way into my bedroom. We also got a dreamcast and an N64 *after* the ps2 was already out (though I had friends who had an N64). We got an Xbox after the console was dead. We even got a 32X for $15 at one point. We got a saturn in like 2005 for $40. I bought a gamecube at best buy during a sale when they were only $50 with my birthday money.
>>12519192>a goofy looking console>had a colour for girls>barely any online games>barely any games in general>dumb mini disks>no good mainline Mario game at launch>no good major Zelda game until it was too late>edgy marketing in UK/EU
>>12519378What about the cables? You need cargo pants to take everything with you. Retarded idea.
>>12519385>>12520534Not true the edge of a disc contains no data, it's just filler. sawed up discs worked on gamecubes for this reason
What was that promo Nintendo had where you could buy a GC for $99 and it came with a promotional Zelda disc that ended up being extremely valuable? I should've bought one then
>>12520630Dint remember the promotion but it was Ocarina of Time, the 1st release of Mastter Quest, the 1st 2 Zelda games and I think it had a windwaker demo. Pretty sure it had something to do with wind waker or the silver gamecube.
>>12519192>GameCube was Nintendo's real stumble in the marketNo, that was the N64. Manchild tendies defending it in 2026 doesn't change historical fact. Had Nintendo not blown it so spectacularly with the N64 and moved with the times, games like Final Fantasy VII, Tekken 3 and Metal Gear Solid would have been on their platform instead and the Sony menace would have died in the womb. Instead we got the bad future due to Nintendo's arrogance and stupidity.
>>12520634https://youtu.be/sEGpXrN43QUFound the ad I saw as a kid
>>12520625This anon here: >>12520534I never said anything about the Gamecube being unable to read cut-down discs. Hell, there's aftermarket cases that allow you to use full-size discs even.>the edge of a disc contains no data, it's just filler.Depends on the disc. Some discs use more of the available surface than others.
>>12520602>online gameszoom zoom. Each console that gen had a handfull of online games and the only one anyone ever gave a fuck about was Halo 2.
>>12520585You owned all of those consoles when they were already old though. I owned a Gamecube, Xbox, and PS2 when they were all current.
>>12520648Nintendo's lack of online support still had an impact, even if console online wasn't as big in 6th gen as it would be later on.
>>12520648>only one anyone ever gave a fuck about was Halo 2you're right to an extent. But Xbox Live was popular enough that most Xbox games had online multiplayer support (unlike other 6th gen consoles). It wasn't a barren wasteland where people only played Halo 2
>>12520650Lol no it fucking didn't. PS2, Dreamcast, and Gamecube were all the same in that the only onine games anyone knew about were shitty MMOs, and that was EXTREMLY niche. The bulk of MMO fags were on PC and remain there. I knew a single fucking guy who played FF11 online and I'm pretty sure he was playing the 360 version anyway. Nobody was playing jack fucking shit online for DC, PS2, or Cube. Even on Xbox, the only game anyone ever played online was Halo 2. Other games had online support, but they were DOA. You weren't there. >>12520649And? We actually had a PS1 and PS2 when they were current. Everyone did, because they were cheap, and the PS2 was a DVD player. Its the other consoles that turned into this accessory console you got used when the rich kids moved on.
>>12520648The only online games on gamecube was phantasy star online and some japan only game. >the only one anyone ever gave a fuck about was Halo 2.No that was just the most popular and successful one.
>>12520654Yes it was. Every other game with online was DOA. I remember trying to play some of those games at a friends house when xbox was still the big thing, and every single one of them was fucking dead and the online was terrible. Brute Force, Cawadoodie, Ridick, Doom 3, Star Wars, Time Splitters, Unreal Champtionship 2.All of these games were DOA. The only thing console players played online back then besides halo 2 was sportsnigger games that I don't give a fuck about. And even those sold more on PS2 anyway (where nobody had the fucking LAN adaptor even if the game did support it).
>>12520660The only game anyone played online for dreamcast was phantasy star, and the only game anyone played online for ps2 was FF11. And even then, both were extremely niche. It doesn't matter how many "ps2 games with online support" are listed on some wiki, nobody owned the fucking LAN adaptor. The slim model didn't support a hard drive which basically took away all but the most basic ass functionality (downloading a dumb ass camo onto your memory card in MGS3, shit like that). Sony claims about 5% of PS2 owners "registered online" so that means a whopping 5% connected their PS2 to the internet at some point.
>>12520634It also had Majora's Mask, but the emulation of it was so error-prone that they had to add a warning to save with the Song of Time often in the event of crashes.
>>12520673>>12520667More data. The two biggest PS2 online games were SOCOM and Madden. SOCOM had a peak player count of 30,000 players. It was niche. I think most customers didn't even know there was online functionality for the DVD Station.
>>12519192>spam bait thread rotation
>>12519263I can't find any examples of someone making a handle delete mod, but it would take zero effort.
>>12519192It was going up against the PS2.But it also made Nintendo money, so how big of a stumble was it really?
>>12519192The N64 had killed the brand and their in-house developments seemed lame as fuck to a typical kid or teenager of the early 2000s.Like 60% of the legend of Nintendo was actually built during the Wii and Switch eras (and most of the rest by the NES) when they were making money hand over fist by sticking to being old fashioned while the rest of the industry was killing itself over production values, and history warped to suit the present.
>>12520935PS2 stomped nintendo because they embraced all of the super edgy shit that teens love. God of War 1&2, devil may cry, prince of persia 2, mortal kombat, etc... Nintendo really was on some kiddy bullshit that gen. Then sony gave the game away by shifting away from edgelord games for teens to faggot crybaby simulators for fat gay middle aged people. Now the wholesome nintnedo stuff is much preferable to the unbearable faggoty shit that has defined current gen. But if someone came along and was over the top edgy again, that would be king of the teens again.
>>12520939Early 00s style edginess would probably be seen by modern teens as 'unc cringe' or something. They love bright colorful stuff like Fortnite.
>No one played online that genI played a TON of thps3 and 4 on my PS2, hundreds of hours, and there were always people on. I had the network adapter but not the HDD. I seem to remember playing Amplitude on there, too.Yes, most didn't use it and it wasn't implemented that well. But, when that gen came out we were upgrading from dial up and *believed* it was going to become a big deal which did influence some peoples' decisions.
>>12520486>. What the hell kind of parent is willing to buy their kid 3 consoles in the same generation?Non poor
PS1/2 games were easily pirated and GC's weren't.That means an average PS1/2 user could play dozens and hundreds of games while GC players likely had only a handful.
>>12521034Has nothing to do with poverty as others have pointed out. It has everything with not submitting to every single fleeting whim of your kid. Realistically why the hell would a kid need more than one console? Each of them have HUNDREDS of games available. It's unhealthy to needlessly spoil your kids to such an extent.
>>12519192i dunno man i was like one of thousands who bought the BBA to play PSOGC.
>>12521054Dude, buying your kid a gaming console every few years is not bending to their every whim, some people enjoy seeing their children happy. My dad got me a gamecube because he saw other children in the family liked theirs, I didn't ask for one. (At the time I was really into my GBA)Are you from Brazil or something? Why the seething over children being given toys?
>>12521054Kids were better off playing single player or couch multiplayer decent/quality gamesNow every kid is playing phone games or watching streamers play slop (being advertised to)You won I guess, kids don't get "spoiled"
>>12521102NTA, but it was definitely the overly spoiled kids who owned all three consoles in a single generation when they were current. I’m an 80s born American and grew up 90s/early 00s middle class which was still pretty fucking good and there’s no way my parents would’ve gotten me multiple consoles.
>>12521054Not everyone had neglectful cheapskate parents like you did, baka
It was the n64 2.0 All the same mistakes.
>>12519192Everything about this console yells PATHETIC.
>>12521157He didn't say anything about 3 consoles in the same generation while they were "current", whatever current means. It's not impossible to imagine if you got a console (current or not) once every year and a half, you'd end up with three pretty quickly. Unless you literally throw your consoles away once you're done with them. Most of this guys posting sounds like poor person resentment. It is a little excessive to give Timmy an xbox for his birthday, a PS2 for christmas, and then a gamecube for...new years I guess? But if you're an adult right now posting, it's not impossible to imagine that expense.All of this is ignoring that the above example really wasn't common, most people were getting a console a year or two after it was out if they already had one or multiple.
>>12521447Well, there’s a big difference between owning all three sixth consoles between the years of 2000-2006 versus getting them once the seventh gen consoles were out and they all dropped in price. You could get GameCubes for $50 in like 2007.
>>12519192Anons itt mentioned how childish the console looked yet I don't see any criticism for Gamecube's controllerit looks like a fucking joke
>>12521470Yeah it looks like a Fisher Price toy
>>12521470>>12521482>Yeah it looks like a Fisher Price toyWelcome to video games
>>12521470>>12521482I love the GameCube, but the controller is a weird evolution of the N64 controller and the Z button feels sort of tacked on.
>>12521459That was kind of my point.The post seether was responding to claimed that he owned a PS2, was in line for the gamecube release, and then later got an Xbox. So I guess he got a console once a year for three years, roughly.Again, seems a little excessive but for all we know he was a kid whose only expense was vidya stuff. In that context it really doesn't seem that crazy.It DOES seem crazy to be a grown man still angry that kids had three consoles in the 2000s and he didn't.
>>12521487SNES and PSX controllers look fine. Stylish, evenasymmetrical action buttons and mash of colors on ALL official controllers belong on >>>/toy/
>>12519192>PS2 was both a console and a dvd player.This was massive at the time. I knew people who were barely into games but got a PS2 mostly as a DVD player with the odd game as a bonus feature.
>>12521504NTA but I forgot that /toy/ even existed. It genuinely baffles me enough adults care about action figures to justify a dedicated board
>>12521531not just a DVD playerTHE cheapest player on the fucking market
>>12521536Yes, but people have often asked whether the Dreamcast having DVD player capabilities would’ve saved Sega and I’d say no. The PS2 was the successor to the best selling game console of all time in addition to being able to play DVDs.
>>12521535I’d never buy them but I do enjoy seeing the kinds of high end action figures that cost of hundreds of dollars.
>>12521535I'm pretty sure only adults buy plastic toys these days lol source: /mlp/
>>12520605You'd obviously use the cables from your (theoretical) friend's Gamecube.It's 100% watertight thinking.
>>12520569To be fair, I think they added the handle because, at the time, the notion that we were moving away from physical ownership had led to many predicting that we would neither need nor want bags. In THAT future, a handle would be necessary.In that sense you have to feel for Nintendo, because in the end the only thing we neither needed nor wanted was the Gamecube.
>>12520768Joking aside, there was an interview in The Economist with a european Nintendo marketing exec at the time, who claimed that they'd added the handle because they were confident buyers would immediately try to remove it, voiding their warranties. It was actually an attempt to cut down on returns. Unfortunately, they found that the handle just made the Gamecube easier to carry back to the store, ironically sharply increasing refunding costs.
>>12521536Factually, the cheapest DVD player, among the consoles, considering the whole package and cost benefit, were the Gamecube and the Xbox. Nobody cared, because PS2 was too big to rig.
>>12519269>shittier version of ps2/xboxApart from minidiscs it had more powerful hardware
>>12521742If your friend already has the cables, then they either already have the console itself too, or they're a fucking weird that owns a GameCube power adaptor for no reason. If you wanted to take your save data to your friend's house, the GameCube had removable memory cards.The handle was an even more baffling decision than the design of the N64 controller. At least that one had some logic to it (hold left handle to use analog D-Pad, or middle handle to use the new control stick. Stupid, but at least it followed some kind of logic).
GC was in a weird place where while it was much more powerful than PS2 on paper, due to the 1.4GB discs developers would often have to compress the shit out of textures and audio files to make them fit, resulting in some games looking and sounding a tad worse than on PS2.The controller having less buttons (no Select, only one bumper, no clickable thumbsticks) also didn't help with some ports.
>>12522119>GC was in a weird place where while it was much more powerful than PS2 on paper, due to the 1.4GB discs developers would often have to compress the shit out of textures and audio files to make them fit, resulting in some games looking and sounding a tad worse than on PS2A lot like the N64 now that I think about it
>>12519192Their controllers sucked for a long time including this oneYa I know it’s because of kids playing it but there are also 2 billion man children still buying these I even knew my friends dad growing up would play the nes back in the 90s and that guy had a successful business and family
>>12519192>What went wrong here?It'd be easier to ask what *didn't* go wrong. Man what an absolute shitshow that was.>t. GC owner
>>12522184>It'd be easier to ask what *didn't* go wrong. Man what an absolute shitshow that was.QRD?
>>12520486I actually had a GC while my brother got an Xbox. In retrospect it saddens me to see how spoiled we were. I think my father was trying to make up for being absent often for work. In the end it just sort of ruined our character though, especially my brother's. Wealth can really be a curse sometimes.Thanks for reading my blog.
>>12519192NINTENDO SHITCUBE
>>12519263>Is that a... H-HANDLE??? AAAAHHHH IM CONFUSED AND UNCOMFORTABLE SAVE ME SONYHow do you get confused by a HANDLE?
>>12519192It's really impressive that Nintendo managed to cling on through the fumbles of the N64 and Gamecube. The Wii is probably what saved them from utter death because we know the Wii U was also trash. Actually Nintendo has a terrible track record with consoles.
>>12522186It was just a point in time where videogames were maturing from children's toy to serious entertainment, and Nintendo just doubled down on all the mistakes of the N64>toy-like look>eccentric design choices>focus on first party games rather than accessible platform for developers
>>12521776Hilarious if true
>>12521793>the whole packagePS2 just werkedretarded DVD player features qere simply bloat
>>12522238The Gameboys and the DS also sold a lot. Even 3DS have achieved good numbers in the age of mobile gaming, even if it sold 2x less than DS and even PSP sold more copies.
>>12522238If the Wii had bombed in the way that the Wii U did, would Nintendo have gone the way of Atari and Sega and have been forced to pull out of the video game industry? The Wii was the adrenaline shot that made them such a big player in the industry, that even the Wii U couldn't kill them.
>>12522201It's an AI post so probably sourcing some bullshit article, or itself
>>12519240And even then they still had 3ds money coming in
>>12522545Obviously not since the DS was outrageously successful. We would only have gotten to something like the Switch earlier.
>>12519202>It's a powerful boxThat would be the xbox
>>12521013Actually a lot of 2000s edge shit is really popular with gen Z men. They see it more as "older brother games". I also think it just has a natural appeal to teenage testosterone. Especially shit like mortal kombat and god of war (pre-fag era)
>>12522689Well, it has been 20-25 years, so it seems like pop punk and nu metal are coming back around with Gen Z.
