If you strip out all the bundled games from the best sellers list it paints an interesting picture. These are the games people truly wanted, they didn't come with the system and they sold exceptionally well under their own merit.Wildly different demographics between the consoles, we consider it a stereotype now but Genesis really was the "sports console" for a reason, and the SNES was the same for JRPGs.
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>>12526945This isn't entirely true. Gamesl were often included in console bundles because they were popular or heavily anticipated. The fact that Mario World and Sonic came with the console does not change the fact that many people bought the consoles for those games.
>>12526960But it doesn't change the fact that more copies of sonic 1 and 2 were given away than sold. Seriously, even the ecco the dolphin bundle included a copy of sonic 2 just because.
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>>12526987You are correct, but it is impossible to tell how many people would have purchased the pack in games if they were not included ed. Your data is good and I agree that it demonstrates the difference in taste between SNES and Genesis owners but I disagree that it fully represents what players "truly wanted".
you want an actually rare game? Go find a copy of Sonic 1 USA that doesn't have NOT FOR RESALE stamped all over it
SNES also seemed to bundle the fuck out of first party titles. SF2 turbo is the only non-bundled game in their top 10.
>>12526945If we strip out all the youtube hot takes from your shitpost there's nothing left.
>>12527064>youtube hot takesthe fuck are you on about? Why do you tossers lets youtubers determine your entire worldview, and then assume other people get their opinions from them?
>>12526945Damn genesis was truly the casual normalfaggot console
>>12527075SNES in the west was pretty normie as well, sports came to dominate it later after the genesis cooled down. OP image is padded by JP numbers, but if you look at north america its mostly fighting and sports titles that people bought or rented.
>>12527074>no uzoomies gonna zoom
>>12528923Its the opposite. Zoomers are the ones with severely warped rose colored glasses and the delusions of what people actually played or valued when this shit was new. They almost always have a weird bias towards sports games "because they are common at thrift shops and garage sales and have low collector value".Retards on the short bus were playing sonic (which came with their system) while all the normies were playing madden and MK. Its as simple as that.
>>12527075Real nerds were into sports games back in the day, zoomie.
>>12528959There's some truth to that. A friend of mine who was into 40K and pen-and-paper RPG was also a fan of NHL 95 on PC.
>>12529038Especially NHL 94/95 as those were generation defining games. You couldnt have paid me to sit though a televised hockey game back then but I put hundreds of hours into those games.I knew the blackhawks and redwings were top teams, and learned who Jeremy Roenick was because of it.>Jeremy Roenick: The NHL ’94 game is the one topic that is mentioned to me most often to me in my lifetime. I have more people who come up to me — that know me — because of NHL ’94. People that got through college playing as the Chicago Blackhawks and Jeremy Roenick. Some had rules that you couldn’t be Roenick in the game because how good he was. I wish I was as good in real life as I was in that video game.
>>12526960>Gamesl were often included in console bundles because they were popular or heavily anticipatedthis is cope. have fun justifying wii sports 'sales'
>>12529061>Lists a single non-/vr/ example
>>12529174Nta but you know what he meant. Pic very related.
>>12529061???you're only proving his point. wii sports was massively popular and was a reason people bought a wii, just like sonic and mario were a big reason people bought genesis and snes.
The Sega Genesis is sports heavy in that list because it absolutely cratered in Japan. It wasn't even a second place finisher. From its launch in '88 to '90 it fought the Famicom and the PC Engine and lost to both of them. From '90-'91 it dropped to 4th place because the Super Famicom launched and the Famicom was still outselling it. It only moved up to 3rd in '92 because the Famicom dropped a bit. It never beat the Famicom in sales again after that. It moved up to 3rd place again in '93 because it beat the 7 year old PC Engine in sales by 50k units. Two years in third place was the best it could manage in Japan. It only moved 3.6 million units total there.The US was a completely different story. Its launch was weak in the US. It only had 1.5m units sold in its first two years versus 2m for the SNES in its first year. But it picked up significantly as time went on. By '93 it peaked at 5.9m units sold in a year and had a 60% market share. Way more than the SNES ever reached. It crushed the TurboGrafx‑16 and outsold the SNES by 5m units total.So, yeah, when over 60% of your sales come from the USA and the USA was dominated by 3rd party sports titles you aren't going to see a ton of Japanese RPGs or first/second party titles used as pack ins in your list.>>12527013Also this. Nintendo had 19 different pack in games for the SNES over its life. NINTEEN! Many of them were huge sellers well before they were pack in titles. Here is the list:Donkey Kong CountryF-ZEROKen Griffey Jr. Presents Major League BaseballKiller InstinctKirby Super StarMario PaintNCAA BasketballNHL Stanley CupStar FoxStunt Race FXSuper Mario All-StarsSuper Mario KartSuper Mario WorldSuper Mario World 2: Yoshi's IslandSuper MetroidSuper Play Action FootballSuper TennisTetris AttackThe Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
>>12529204Very exceptional case, this cartridge was made specifically for the action set because it needed both a light gun game and a genuine killer app (SMB), and the two games were small enough to fit on one cartridge. Is there even any other example of games that were originally sold on separate cartridges/discs being combined into one for a console bundle? A very rare exception like this does not negate the fact that the overwhelming majority of bundled games were or would’ve been best sellers regardless.
>>12529254>Is there even any other example of games that were originally sold on separate cartridges/discs being combined into one for a console bundle? Absolutelty. This was one of the most common genesis bundles, second only to the various sonic 2 bundles.
>>12529254Well, the Sega 6-Pak might have been bundled with the 3rd revision of the Genesis, maybe?
>>12529258It was crazy back then. The console comes with tge base 6 games plus limited time bonus game (tazmania, jurassic park, etc) plus EB was giving away sonic 2 with every purchae just because they had a lot to dump.You could literally walk out of the store with a genesis and 8 games for $99.
>>12526945Tons of people are into sports and in those days you really didn't need to know anything about the NBA, NFL, etc to enjoy sports titles, so even non sports fans often played them.(NBA Jam TE and NFL Blitz and stuff was so much fun with a multitap)
It was such a great time when the console cost as much as just 2 stand alone games, and it came with a game.
>>12529254I know of 7 instances of NES games being released as solo cartridges and then were combined later into official multicarts:Super Mario Bros./Duck HuntSuper Spike V'Ball/Nintendo World Cup (North America only)Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt/World Class Track Meet (North America only)Super Mario Bros./Tetris/Nintendo World Cup (Europe only)Donkey Kong Classics (Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr.)Final Fantasy I & II (Japan only)Sesame Street: A-B-C & 1-2-3 (the only 3rd party release I know of)This doesn't count bootleg multicarts or unlicensed titles like the Camerica Quattro series.
>>12529254>and the two games were small enough to fit on one cartridgeNot quite. SMB was a 40k game. That was the maximum size you could do on the NES without using bank switching hardware inside the cartridge. While at least one early bundle had simply included 2 carts, the Deluxe Set, it was cheaper to have a bank switched multicart then two standard cartridges.So, if we can use bank switching, well, there isn't really an up limit on the number of games you could fit on one cart. Official releases like Kirby’s Adventure was 768k and Metal Slader Glory was 1024k. Bootleg multicarts were even bigger. Modern releases are even bigger. A Winner is You from RetroUSB has a 65,536k ROM.
>>12528923>Grownup: zoomies gonna zoom>Child: It's the oppositeSo zoom gonna zoomie?
>>12527087I hate sports and fighting games now but loved them as a kid, they were fun and popular because of co-op.
>>12529415That was exactly it. Kids had to share and there were bigger gen X families in the 80s, compared to later on as the "selfish only child era" began. Sharing a 1-player game always lead to fights, so multiplayer games were the key.As you said, sports and fighting games (and rare pvp early console games like archon or spy vs spy) were the key. There were still fights between brothers, but at least everyone had fair time on the system.
I stopped liking Nintendo and Sega.I started liking Amiga and Spectrum
