Zoomers have this problem in which, when they go back in time, they just play 10/10s and in the end they lose sight of what quality is, so they end up thinking "classic, masterpiece game? mid". If all games are good, then none is.

Meanwhile boomers grew up with the occasional stinker such as Greendog or Rise of the Robots, and as such, it makes us value actual quality when we see it.

>>12532862
Only two real flaws I can think of is that the game is on the easier side (but mods exist for this) and that Magnus is a dull character.

>>12532883
I'm not talking about Chrono Trigger specifically because I haven't played it but wouldn't that mean it's more likely that zoomers have a wider vision of what makes a game good? Likewise, boomers playing whatever shovelware was avaliable at the time made them appreciate even the slightest crumb of quality? I could be wrong, but your argument seems to be working against you here.

>>12532883
Zoomer here. Greendog is way better than Chrono Trigger.

>>12532883
>the occasional stinker such as Greendog or Rise of the Robots
Neither of those games are bad, you just didn't read the manual

>>12532862
It's really nothing special.

>>12533165
>It's really nothing special.
In year 2026? No, in early 90's? Yes

>>12532924
>Magnus is a dull character.
I never bring him into the party.

>>12532862
People make fun of gamers because they can't express why something is good and will simply lash out when someone says their favorite game is bad.

>>12533293
I played it on the wii in my 20s with zero nostalgia and consider it the best JRPG ever made. Haven't found anything as well paced yet that doesn't drag on too long.

>>12533329
Same here, I remember emulating it in 2010 when I was 18, and I still really liked it.

>>12532862
Is the DS considered the best version?

>>12532883
the problem is that most old stuff doesnt hold up compared to more modern stuff. for them, 3d and realism is the STANDARD. for us, we shat our pants for the n64, and were even more blown away by ps2/xbox. comparatively, the n64 is hideous and aged like milk. and thats just the graphics side of things. today most of the big/main stuff is voice acted and animated. simple sprites bouncing with a text box doesnt wow them. for us, the minor sprite animations of a head bob or an arm pointing was kino as fuck. it was rated a 10/10 back then, but for the standards they grew up with, it doesnt really compare. you are kind of right about frame of reference, but our slop games were BAD, but we as kids would have LOVED the slop games of today because they're actually a lot better than the slop we dealt with.

personally, i think it gets carried by music, story, and presentation. dont get me wrong, i love it, but it has some drawbacks. like, the dungeons are the simplest "mazes", where the biggest complication is that sometimes you might have to find a button. compared to lufia 2 with dungeons that put zelda to shame, chrono trigger is lacking in that regard. theres some copypasta that gets posted on /v/ about ct being the most overrated game, and some of its points are kinda accurate.

i still like it, but yeah dude, its kind of mid these days.

>>12532937
Nah, and just like you I'm talking in general. It's the media equivalent of pampering, you don't learn to recognize anything by yourself (hence the need for lists or curators in perpetuity). It also makes you less capable of dealing with anything that is "out of the ordinary" which keeps them picking from a narrow selection. Not that the latter is unique to them (reviews aren't new), it's just going to be narrower than "normal".

His depiction isn't really realistic anyway as most people of that generation struggle to play stuff that old anyway. If they can deal with the graphics, their following issues tend to be with perceived lack of QoL, "old" styles of difficulty and non-standardized controls. A game being badly designed isn't an issue, a lot of them latch on to pretty terrible indie games these days. The ones that can play those games to completion aren't much different from the previous generations in their contrarianism or overanalyzing of flaws like any "enthusiast". They might seem more negative because negativity gets you attention which they seem a bit more desperate for.

It's not like it's a new phenomenon, gen 2 has been treated the same way for decades. Gen 3 is getting that treatment now and gen 4 is probably soon to follow.

I can't get past the opening, it's too dull and doesn't draw me in whatsoever.

>>12532862
Hard mog by chrono cross

>>12533293
Nah it's still good even by 2026 standards. How many rpgs are that let you travel back and forth through time doing shit that affects the future? How many even have a new game +?

>>12532957
XD OMFG!!!!1! le epic trollolololo!!!11
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*GLOMPS you*

>>12532862
>>12533585
It truly is overrated. Good, but overrated.
It's pretty much a linear movie, which is ironic because everyone hyped it's "multiple endings" which were actually linear post game content.
There are no builds to experiment with.
There are no puzzles to solve, or any gameplay variety to speak of for that matter other than a few one-off mini games.
The story is...Fine. A shonen take on time travel, which doesn't hold up to any logical scrutiny.
The portraits and concept art are horrendous, but the sprites are detailed and fairly inoffensive despite the source material.
7/10

>>12532862
Yeah. It's pretty mediocre compared to JRPGs of that time, plus those fucking sameface designs by Toriyama really bring down the whole thing down a notch.
And then, they went and made Chrono Cross. Yes, it's canon and no amount of seething nor explaining will change it. It's the canon ending to Chrono Trigger and you need to deal with it.

>>12533646
This.

>>12532862
bait

>>12533680
Are millenial nursing homes just going to be full of old guys stroking out like this because you don't revere their Nintendie games?

>>12532883
Wow your entire library as a child was 5 games, two literal shit 1/10 like rise and greendog, no wonder you thought the C+ game was a 10/10

Yeah, NO I would rather listen to the zoomer that has the whole library at his fingertips and played more games than the boomer blinded by nostalgia that just could afford 5 snes games

>>12532862
I was thinking the other day which square era was the best
Snes with ff 4-6, chrono, super Mario rpg
Ps1 with ff7-9, tactics, cross, vagrant
Ps2 with ff10-12, x2, kh1-2, dq8
And honestly the more I think about it the more it's harder to not say they didn't peak with ps2 easily. Snes might be their weakest.
Super Mario rpg is better than chrono trigger btw

>>12532937
No.
They wax nostalgic for Minecraft music.
The fact is that most people are retards, of any generation and most everything cultural is contextual. I can't understand not understanding this.

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>>12534206
>And honestly the more I think about it the more it's harder to not say they didn't peak with ps2 easily

Oh and DQ8 is a level 5 game

>>12534206
>square
>dq8
lmao

>>12534186
>Wow your entire library as a child was 5 games
rental stores

>>12534212
>>12534214
Doesn't change a thing kh1 clears the entire snes and PS1 library

>>12534234
>Disney faggotry
Maybe if you're 5

>>12534241
Magicial whimsy of kh1 vs baby stories of generic plotlines for retards of chrono trigger

>>12534234
My little sisters loved KH but I could never get into it.

>>12534246
Actual fun and varied gameplay that naturally changes as your character grows stronger of kh1 vs 3rd world level of mash a auto attacks of snes

>>12534251
The only people who like Kingdom hearts are the one who played it when they were kids

It's harder for an adult to accept the mediocrity of the gameplay and stage or the childish story

>>12534261
Ahhh yes unlike the fun gameplay of press confirm as fast as you can to get out of boring ass battles of snes final fantasy and riveting mature storylines of "ERRRM FARIS IS ACTUALLY A GIRL ZOMG?" *Eyes buldge our* HUMMNA HUMMNA HUMMNA

>>12534269
Hardly anyone played 5 as a kid, never released here. You seem really confused about timelines and the past. I think you'd be better off focusing on yourself and your own tastes.

>>12534272
As an example but pretty much every snes and PS1 square RPG is as goofy as kingdom hearts and you fags are fooling yourself otherwise.
Did we suddenly forgot that the super cool ff7 has a bit where you be friend a dolphin after a really terrible mini game and awful boss fight where you just mash x and heal to win of course to get a super jump up to a town?

>>12534276
I've never played KH1, too old for it, so I can't speak to the gameplay. The whole premise is ridiculous to me, combining Disney and old Square characters like some themepark attraction, it's far more of a self-conscious product, even though plenty of the games I played were childish too. The reality is though, that you're as ignorant about the past as I am about your childhood. Stop this comparison shit, it's numbing your brain.

>>12534276
It's one thing to have some quirky and fun moment in an overall dark game

It's another thing that the entire story seem to have been written by a 5 years old https://youtu.be/d-ae06Z1NcM?si=b2jHRW_Cu_nx2xb7

>>12534291
Fucking kino. Every time I played kh2 with a new GF I always made sure to have her sit up at the lamer line. Virgin niggas don't know what fun is, It must suck for your favorite game to not have a single memorable line.

>>12534284
It's fun, but whatever bro enjoy press x as you can slop to quickly get to the next dogshit forgettable cutscene that is just as stupid but with no charm

>>12534301
Hey, it's fine to not like RPGs, they aren't for everyone.
Thinking about it, it isn't the Disney characters that turned me off, it was the FF ones, and I was a Square fanboy growing up. A full on Disney Action RPG would've been cool.

>>12533293
>>12533653
It's really nothing special. It's a fine, competently put together game but ultimately doesn't stand out compared to other great RPGs *of the time.*

>>12534206
uncomfortable truths right here

>>12532883
>>12533293
It comes down to the fact that Chrono Trigger simply doesn't have enough depth to avoid people being in the right to call it mid. The game is mostly extremely well make ambient wallpaper with a smidge of enough gameplay to make you feel like you're doing adventurous things.

Game like Dragon Quest 3 and Pokemon Red/Blue are much stronger RPGs with more going on beyond a fancy story sequence and CT being really pretty is just not enough to actually make it close to top tier.

>>12533653
>How many rpgs are that let you travel back and forth through time doing shit that affects the future? How many even have a new game +?
See, I'll give it credit for actually doing stuff like this, but both of those things are more really conceptually interesting ideas that mostly aren't used well enough to make the game that much more compelling. NG+ with the many endings especially feels like something that ought to have been much more involved and actively incorporated the time travel to allow different decisions to lead to outcomes that otherwise wouldn't be possible, but instead it mostly boils down to "are you powerful enough to beat Lavos early?" and "did you kill Magus"?

>>12533875
>>12534354
Truth

I loved it when it came out.
Fun characters even if maybe like 2 of them have any sort of arc. Great music and all the different landscapes, it was unlike any game I had played before. Other than the original dragon quest it might have been my first jrpg. And it was anime back when our only animes were dragon ball, sailor moon and very expensive vhses of ninja scroll and vampire hunter d.
I also like RPGs where the characters have little to no customization. The cave girl is a richer character for having strict stats and moves. She would be significantly less interesting if I could fill out a grid with orbs and turn her into a cleric.

>>12532862
2/10 would NOT bang

why are children so obsessed with chrono trigger or games being "overrated" in general? i never went out of my way to prove that 2001 space odyssey was overrated when i was younger. is it because they have no real culture of their own except our discarded memes and black people's twitter slang?

>>12534936
because there are a handful of games that people have not shut the fuck up about for decades. on top of that, they are praised to high heaven despite often having aged quite a bit. they see them topping "best games of all time" lists, then when they try this supposed 10/10 flawless, perfect, timeless masterpiece.... its really underwhelming and they can think of better games, even if those games arent perfect 10s. so now they want people to shut the fuck up about it or at least be honest when discussing it. im glad that they're finally fixing the narrative.

>>12535174
wow, you must have no life if you care about shit like that. just wait bro, people die, you can make lists about fortnite and roblox and gta v.