PAL - Ruins your retro gaming experience
>>12536150PAL - Fucks your C64 palette up
>>12536150Why wouldn't I be playing the way I remember it?
It's overhated. Outside of certain terrible adaptations, it's not so bad. At times I still download PAL versions of games and they aren't as unplayable as people make it believe. But this is 4chan and the PAL/NTSC divide is like /v/tards acting like anything below 144hz/fps is unplayable.
>>12536169>>12536150>Schizophrenic loser and spammer continues his decade long mission getting slapped around by anons thousands of times smart than himEmbarrassing lolcow moment
>>12536318You're in a bait thread created by a lolcow loser. All you'll see here is a continuation the lolcow's decade long mental breakdown. Ask him about how a 1000ghz cpu is beaten by a chinese fpga or how nintendo developers all used the apple 2 to make nes games (none of this actually happened - it was just ai generated slop he posted t hat everyone laughed at). always hilarious stories with this loser.
>>12536363Ok, first, what's with the glut of paranoid retards lately thinking that /vr/ is just them and a single other anon.Second, don't post a fucking emulator screenshot to disprove colors, you worthless embarrassment.
>>12536420>posts a picture from a monitor where colour, brightness and other shit is configured to however the fuck you wantextremely low iq
>>12536427>colouryou've never seen an NTSC C64 in the flesh, have you?are all those anti-British threads in the catalog getting to you or something?
>>12536150I grew up playing everything (Sega Master System, Super NES, N64, PS1, PS2, etc) on PAL here in Australia and LITERALLY didn't know any better. Ignorance is bliss.
>>12536150Pal versions often were updated and bugfixed... and delayed
>>12536169top for yuro games, bottom for burger gamesImpossible Mission even had a bug if you played it on a PAL machine where the robots would fry you if they fired off screen, though they fixed it (kind of) for the US Gold PAL release
>You never grew up losing 10 frames per secondfeels so GOOD aunt diane
>>12536679CRTs look fluid even in 50Hz
>>12536150hi auster!
>>12536150I just think PAL is comfy, also some games are better on it or are exclusive to europe so I can feel smug about that.
>>12536683>>12536693This. The PAL standard is perfectly adequate, the problem is the games that tie their logic to 60Hz, of which there were many.
>>12536768home computer and pc gaming was much bigger in Europe for a reason
>>12536402t. schizoid
PAL is 13% higher resolution than NTSC.in such low resolutions that massive
I'm Californian and PAL makes more sense than NTSC, but whatever.
>>12536443>dumbfuck retard makes up wild story >>12536169>gets shit on twice: >>12536363 >>12536420cringe and embarrassing
>>12536150It's rather ironic to see a picture of a SNES when Sega, with the Mega Drive, is the one that truly ruined PAL. Their Sonic games are always held up as examples because they made absolutely no effort to adapt them, unlike Nintendo.
>>12536770>home computer and pc gaming was much bigger in Europe for a reasonit was the same as USA. during the 80s it was common for people to own a computer and console in both parts of the world.
>>12536827>unlike Nintendo.entire library of NES software is full of low effort, bugged and broken software that's excused by simpletons, where PAL releases were never properly fixed nor was there ever an attempt by most developers early on to do so. using the NTSC APU note tables in PAL releases and not bothering to fix anything relying on timing is just quality work. then there's all the revisions of games that were snuck into production to fix their broken shit.have you considered not smoking heroin?
>>12536849>entire library of NES software is full of low effort, bugged and broken software that's excused by simpletons,The Famicom library is worse.
It's kinda insane how we got screw upAnd seemingly nobody said anything,if it occured today there would be suing from european players
>>12536818I see that you're as unable to follow reply chains as you're to do simple google searches...This is for the benefit of the passersby, since you're far too dumb to read & understand:https://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php?title=Commodore_64#Graphics
>>12536853You got 5 less fps, but you got default RGB
>>12536857I slept with your mother last night.
>>12536852both are slop>>12536857I can inspect element as well.also:>not a link to a c64 site>a fucking spectrum site >ignore the screenshots and the photo of that person's monitor, everyone!>look at the screenshots using the wrong colours created using emulators>on a website dedicated to the SPECTRUM>the SPECTRUMyou are the dumbest and most retarded motherfucker i ever seen. i remember you. you're that fucking imbecile that tried to claim that spectrum had more games than the c64 and then everyone had a laugh at your expensive.
>>12536857now i remember.. you claimed that spectrum had 31k games but you were counting every release in the database as a "game" (including pictures, utilities, music! all games supposedly!). and it broke your mind when anon posted how c64 still has way more than that in just releases. here's the screenshot:
>>12536852Most licensed NES games are at least playable, a lot of Famicom games veer into Color Dreams/AVE level of garbage.
>>12536150>pal 29.95 frames per second.>ntsc 24.55 frames per second.I know you want to be history revisionist but don't go full retard as emu devs.>frames don't equal herz.>120 hz doesn't mean game runs at 120 frames, game still runs at 24 fps.
>>12536865Christ, another paranoid moron.The monitor is fucking blue, not purple!, it's from an NTSC C64 from a Canadian bloke, this is where I took the snapshot from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH5CWzye3W8The wiki is dedicated to the CPC, not the Spectrum, and it has sources.And obviously the Vice developer knows a tad more about the C64 and it's palettes than some random fanatical imbecile like you.>at your expensiveESL as well? fuck you're a goldmine of stupidity.
>>12536887 (me)>it's palettes*its palettes
>>12536887>The wiki is dedicated to the CPC, not the Spectrum, and it has sources.the sources are 3 tweets. one is just some dude making a palette - made a choice after "research" - whatever the fuck he means by that - and the colours are still wrong. the other is some dude making comparisons, which still look nothing like the picture i have included here by this man with autism. >And obviously the Vice developer knows a tad moreknows more than you. you're using tweets as sources from a cpc/spectrum site and one of them is just some dude making a palette. you'd fail at operating a toaster. i know for a fact that even vice's devs all can't agree on what ntsc or colors are best which is why vice comes with many palette choices and allows to you customize your own because dangerously low iq retards like you would configure their monitors into all kinds of ways and then have autistic meltdowns because a certain colour didn't look right (despite being close to what the vic2 was outputting from real hardware), then start spamming vice's bug tracker where you are ignored.oh. then you have differences in motherboard revisions, commodore 128.. anyway, you're clearly out of your depth here. using a CPC site as any kind of source for the c64 demonstrates to everyone that you are the dumbest and most retarded motherfucker we've ever seen on this website and you shouldn't be allowed near anything has has a CPU in it or internet access.
>>12536917https://hitmen.c02.at/temp/palstuff/
>>12536917>ntsc palettea real ntsc palette would need to be an animated gif where the hue keeps shifting
>>12536921i enjoy how every one of them looks vastly different and still nothing like the picture with man that has autism & making an ntsc palette or the cringe at the top of the thread. have you tried posting more pages from a cpc forum? maybe that will help?
>>12536926even more fun via RF
>>12536926>a real ntsc palette would need to be an animated gif where the hue keeps shiftingthat was not a thing after the vacuum tube era of TVs
>>12536927I accept your concession.It's nice that you've learnt that the C64 had different NTSC & PAL palettes due to the differences in video signal timings. Good for you!
>>12536827I am forever grateful they did not mangle the sonic games. It is mathematically impossible to "optimize" a 60hz game for 50hz, any attempt at doing so just results in a mangled mess. Slow and intact, is better than a faster but broken. Also, the reason they could make the 50hz optimized version of mario work well enough is because that game is far more primitive than the sonic games.
The NES palette is not consistent either, it varies slightly from TV to TV and Japanese TVs also had a slightly different variant of the NTSC color spec.
>>12536954I should add that it generates colors based on NTSC values so they're not consistent. The Colecovision was the first console to use RGB colors and all others since the Master System do likewise so they will always look the same on any display.
>>12536363Is that why the blues on the emulator for C64 and Super Mario Bros. look purple instead of blue? They didn't look that way on my TV and I've always wondered about that.
>>12537048None of these palettes are exactly accurate. The sky should look like top right but the bricks like bottom right.
>>12537052Bottom right is the closest to how it looked on my TV. I never saw a purple sky in Mario Bros. until I played on emulation.
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>>12537048PAL btw
NTSC stands for Never The Same Color
>>12537270colour*retard
>>12537378
>>12537048NTSC was referred to as "Never Twice Same Color" because it's such a big pain in the dick keeping it within a standard reference frame. Most computers and consoles you can just refer back to the RGB generated in the graphics chip as the "original" and then argue about whether devs took the TV encoder into account or not, but the NES, 2600 and other such earlier machines used values dialled in to produce NTSC colors and there is no RGB reference to be had anywhere in the machine. We'll never know what that crazy nip man with an oscilloscope and a screwdriver saw in his lab, we'll just forever have to wonder if the sharp twin is correct or the vs. nes series arcade boards.
>>12537410as he said the Colecovision was the first console that generates RGB color internally, and purely by coincidence of the fact that Coleco bought the RGB version of the VDP chip because they got a good price on it. but on all other pre-crash consoles, home computers, and NES it's anyone's guess exactly what the color palette is supposed to be.
>>12537251$ identify -format "%k" funnay-color-test.png12... 10/10 well done. Made me doubt my eyes.
I can attest to how inconsistent NES colors look on different TVs in contrast to the SNES always looking the same on any TV.
>>12537410My NES is RGB modded and I have a toggle switch that can do either "correctly emulated PAL colors" or some "modders' best guess" pallets (probably FCEUX?) that has more proper looking blues, greens, reds and browns. I don't know if anyone can say which one is "accurate" but I prefer the unofficial pallet because it matches how I remember it looking.
it's even worse than All Stars because of the 50 fps cap
>>12536363>makes a dumb thread about challenging a narrative about apple2s in japanEmbarrassing lolcow moment
>>12536363Are the spammers in the room with us right now?
>>12537518ne/vr/ have i e/vr/
>>12536946>anons states all vastly different>I accept your concession.it's amazing how the losers on this board will just imagine what is said instead of reading it. anon is right, none of the screenshots on hitman site look anything like >>12536169 and the tweets (you claim are sources lol) are absurd. >It's nice that you've learnt that the C64 had different NTSC & PAL palettesyou posted a page from a CPC wiki, got shamed into finding another better source and still proved nothing at all. just admit you're a sad and pathetic lolcow that can't even use a search engine or notice massive differences in colors. but let's trust a guy on twitter who did "research" and made his own palette! you are a dumb fucking idiot.
>>12537457oh yes, I remember you. tell everyone how people were programming NES games using the apple 2, auster spammer. using a "mini assembler" wasn't it? did your make believe lies end up blowing people's minds?
>>12537457>>12537518Are people editing Wikipedia right now to make your lies less believable?
>>12536827PAL Sonic is easier though because it's slower. If anything it helped the series over there because it was more approachable.
>>12538149>because it was more approachabledoubt it. game still would have been a success if it had a proper pal version from the start that ran at the same speed as the ntsc version.
>>12537993retard
>>12538161>can't cope with fact that thread is schizo bait thread created by resident schizophrenic>gets tagged along with resident schizophrenic>somehow mad about itthis board is truly cringe
>>12538167it's the same dudehow do people not get this? auster has several different schticksthis is just one of them
>>12538237auster spammer has been trashing this board for a decade with the same shit. only in recent year or two have more people realized it's the same schizo loser that's here every single day for over a decade>>12537457>auster spammer the schizo gets btfo: again editiontell us that fantastic story about how you said that a 500ghz CPU is no match for an FPGA and then everyone just laughed at you for the entire thread
>>12538252hi auster!
