no, they're just salty that Gamecube got the superior versions over Dreamcast

>>12558160
Perhaps the question should be, are the original games that bad

>>12558160
Sonic Adventure DX is genuinely a bad "enhanced" port, they actually cut a director (Naoto Ohshima) and do that awful Japanese think where they unperson him from the credits because he dared leave the company by then despite the fact the portion of his work was mostly intact.
Sonic Adventure 2 Battle is an improvement outside of minor graphical quirks that came with porting to different system architecture, they basically rushed the Dreamcast version to meet the 10th anniversary so the GameCube one is pretty much it with less time constraints.

>>12558448
Who gives a fuck about the credits you gayboy?

>>12558241
I went in completely clean, no nostalgia, no nothing
It's very mediocre, too much on-rails stuff and autolock everywhere.

But what you can do here? If you're going for these large stages and speed sections,
some corners have to be cut to in order to accomodate children's developing motor skills

>>12558162
Stop being contrarian, I could name all the flaws from just memory.

>>12558470
People who want integrity, Japacorponese.

>>12558160
The downgrades are well known at this point but just imagine how much more obscure SA1 and 2 would be if the ports didn't exist
(Also I will never play SA1 with unskippable cutscenes)

>>12558470
who gives a fuck about retro games you gayboy?

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SADX GC has specular combined with per pixel lighting

Many of the original DC assets are still present on the pre release version
Even the lantern engine. They ported successfully the original lighting system of SA1 into DX but they decided to make a new one in the final release

SA1 DC both diffuse and specular lighting use color gradients, and specular has a fixed direction
SADX GC the specular is view dependent so the highlights rotate when you move the camera but the plastic look is because they crank it up very high

>>12558160
They're not bad so much as they commit numerous micro aggressions against neurodivergent individuals. Which isn't to insult the legitimacy of the complains against these ports. But this description does get to the core of the problem here.

>>12558540
>(Also I will never play SA1 with unskippable cutscenes)
There are mods for that, fortunately. I still think cutscenes should've been reviewable in case your finger slipped.
>>12558546
Why did they screw with the game if it wasn't a hardware limitation? Were they trying but failing to recreate the lighting that was supposedly in prerelease Dreamcast builds?

>>12558448
SA2 DC to SA2B is largely the same game with minor changes due to hardware differences between the Dreamcast and GameCube.

SA1 DC to SADX is when Sega decided to make changes

sonic team's saturn engine does in fact used palette based lighting

>nights
>burning rangers
>sonic jam

this was used as a base for Sonic Adventure

SA2 on gamecube is fine and actually has some cool additions.

SA1 on gamecube is an abortion, get the DC version of that.

>>12558160
The gamecube ports are actually the best versions to get if you're not playing the original because each port gets more and more unstable with each new release.

>>12558160
they have the best chao gardens everything else is broken or missing

both are worse but sonic advance & chao garden + GBA/NGC connectivity carried both ports.

>>12558540
>Also I will never play SA1 with unskippable cutscenes
That's one of the reasons why the modded PC version of DX is considered one of the best ways to play the game
You basically get the Dreamcast version except you can skip cutscenes and it runs at 60 FPS

>>12558546
GC Final's lighting system is pretty interesting. The game probably could have run at a steady 60 FPS if they didn't force per-pixel lighting, and it'd look less shiny which a lot of people might have enjoyed.

>>12558160
sa1dx is worse in basically every way. even if you mod the pc port to resemble dreamcast, you'll never get the sa1 chao system back.

sa2b has missing lighting, missing big the cat in levels and missing a shitload of 2 player costumes. however it added chao karate, chao stats on chao pickup, more rouge boob polys and heavily expanded the 2 player mode.

>>12558160
>>12558241

it is profoundly mid just like every other Sonic game

>>12558545
Don't you fucking talk to me like that!