How could they fuck up so badly, it's really amazing
>>12559519They really were the Sega of western companies.
i'm a zoom zoom and i miss atari, why did they have to fuck it up?
They were just that fucking retarded.
>>12559519The Warner management were imbecilic boomers who did not understand vidya.
American video game companies are destined to fumble at their peak. Just look at Microsoft and their inability to produce good games and move consoles after the runaway success of the 360. They own a billion studios and they have done shit with them. Then they started porting their few compelling games to other platforms, eliminating any need for an Xbox.Microsoft aside, imagine a 1990 where Atari released the Panther, then followed it up with the Jaguar in '95 as a purely CD-based console to compete against the PlayStation, Saturn, and N64 with an American sensibility in a market saturated with Japanese influence across hardware and software. I would've loved to see what Atari could muster in the RPG space specifically. Could they have produced a worthy rival to Chrono Trigger or Phantasy Star 4? Sadly, we will never know.
>>12559527>stupid fucking retard schizophrenic forgets that sega was founded by americans>in hawaiithis board truly is the home of the dumbest of dumb fucks and biggest losers of the internet
>>12559530They got a (((new CEO))) and he did (((tribal things))).
>>12559519>fuck up at making hardware.>fuck up at making software when they became a software developer.Well just mutts being mutts.
>>12559519They were greedy fucks who only cared about money. Now I'm not some smelly communist who is against profit, what I mean is the best companies are where the guy(s) who actually CAN produce run the company and so they know how to allocate capital to produce things. Money men only know how to make line-go-up and they both can't stop bullshit the bad engineers are pissing money away on, but they also can't say no to terrible ideas the marketing and business divisions are about to destroy the brand over.Just look at their arcade division. They practically owned the NA arcade market by sheer brute force but instead of figuring out how to balance fun and profit they just made their machines quarter munchers in the most retarded ways you can. The Japs learned to disguise the mechanics by which they targetted a 3-5min playtime where it felt like a skill issue if you couldn't pass it. Atari just fucking said "put more money in to play more" as they whittled away your health with undodgeable bullshit, all because they didn't like how people could loop Missile Command forever.
>>12559519Because of woke advertising. Nobody wanted to see pride flags during the 80s.
Bushnell was a carnival game huckster looking for a quick buck. He didn't know what the fuck he was doing business-wise. He turned down a young Steve Jobs' offer to invest in his new Apple computer that Steve built while working at Atari. Bushnell made Pizza Time Theater (later Chuck E. Cheese) to get little kids addicted to his shitty coin-op games. Once that took off, Bushnell didn't give a fuck about consoles, nor did he understand their market after 1982.He flushed so many millions down the toilet with all of his failed ventures that were so far out of his scope (he tried to invent MapQuest in the 80s, he wanted robots to serve pizza at Chuck E. Cheese, he tried to make multiplayer over-the-internet bar games in 1996, it goes without saying that he tried to jump on the VR market) that he is no where near as rich as you think someone called "the father of video games" would be. Not broke at all, like 30 million net worth from selling his more successful companies and his salaries as a chairman. Compared to someone like Jobs, however, he's just doing ok.
>>12559979I mean to say success is being Steve Jobs and convincing yourself and everyone else that your product will change humanity and bring enlightenment to the world. Just prior to Jobs's comeback Apple was almost dead because the CEO (Michael Spindler) just saw the company as an ATM machine.
>>12559938welcome home
>>12560182>Compared to someone like Jobs, however, he's just doing ok.He still leaves and breathes, so I’d say he’s doing better than ok.
>>12559938Seething lmao
>>12559519The way Tramiel botched the Tetris lawsuit was staggeringly idiotic.
>HAVE YOU PLAYED ATARI TODAY
>>12559541This desu. Atari wanted to make new consoles immediately after the 2600, but Warner wanted to treat it like a board game and sell it for as long as possible. That pretty much killed them because they could've weathered the crash with minimal losses had they not fucked up.
>>12559519too much cocaine
>>12559946Not surprising.
>>12559946This is the answer, not just the "new" one.
>>12559938And here you are.
>>12559589>I would've loved to see what Atari could muster in the RPG space specifically. Could they have produced a worthy rival to Chrono Trigger or Phantasy Star 4? Sadly, we will never know.They were making a cyberpunk themed open world action RPG game for Jaguar CD just before they went bankrupt. It would have had fully voiced dialogue and fully acted dialogue for key NPCs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_ICE%5CWhite_NoiseIt would have been among the most innovative games made in the 90s for sure. Really sad what happened to Jaguar.>>12561732>Atari wanted to make new consoles immediately after the 2600That would have been stupidly expensive, just like Atari 400/800 was. They should've simply revised the 2600, give it more RAM, 2KB SRAM chips got really cheap back then, and internal ROM banking mechanism. We've seen what 2600 games with extra RAM and ROM are capable of, some are very close in complexity to computer games of the era.
>>12560182>>12559979100% pure AI slop>>12563637>ragingAnon is right. Not knowing where Sega was created makes you all look like a knuckle dragging apes that eat their own shit
The Jag controller could have been the ultimate RPG and adventure controller. Imagine using the numeric pad to create shortcuts for items and commands, not hardcoded, but allowing players to set them up however they wanted.
>>12559519>okay guys lets do a follow up to the 2600>ehh this is gonna be too much work lets just repack an atari 8bit with the worst controllers ever>fuck that didnt work>lets make a proper follow up, cheap out on half the parts, then store it in a warehouse long enough for competition to arrive and take our potential customers>fuck that didnt workThey really may as well have not even released the 5200 or 7800. Neither were competitive, neither were all that good. If they had done a proper 2600 follow up they could've survived (if tramiel wasn't actively sabotaging the videogame side of the company)But also hindsight is 20/20 and videogames weren't seen as this cyclical thing you upgraded every few years yet. Nintendo took a chance on the 6502, knowing barely anyone in Japan could code for it at the time, and it paid off. Atari would have never done something so bold.
>>12564715>5200 Would have done OK if was released well before the video game crash>7800It managed to last until 1992>videogames weren't seen as this cyclical thing you upgraded every few years yetYes, it was and it was less time between upgrades to newest and greatest thing>Nintendo took a chance on the 6502>Atari would have never done something so bold.What a deranged thing to write. Atari were using 6502 in arcades and consoles years before Nintendo, you stupid fuck.
>>12564724Nta, but you completely missed the point of his 6502 comment. He didn’t say using a 6502 alone was bold, it was the fact that they did so for a Japanese console when Japan was very much a Z80 dominated region at the time. A lot of early Famicom devs had trouble adapting to it.
>>12559519insanely excessive corporate decadence and money borrowing. they had massive early success/dominance in the market, and projected that thats how it would stay forever. its dont.like when gommies nowadays conjure up all these cartoonish images of bajillionaires using burning $100 bills to light their cuban cigars in their office jacuzzi? that actually isnt that far off from how atari operated. they actually had an office jacuzzi. their executives would go out to $1000+ lunches on the company card daily. constant office parties full ofescorts and cocaine. they were too busy partying to notice their finances had gotten pretty hairy. or maybe they did notice, but were just uninterested in giving up the hookers + blow executive lifestyle? doesnt rly matter. the moment real competition showed up and they sobered up to what was happening, it was already way too late.
>>12565226> completely missed the point of his 6502 comment>"Atari would have never done something so bold"I agree with anon. Not much to misunderstand there. >lot of early Famicom devs had trouble adapting to it.You can tell but that isn't any excuse. Teenagers in the 1980s had no problems learning it in a very short time. Japs at Nintendo with manuals, millions of dollars and an enormous HP computer with compilers, terminals and hardware emulation got no excuse to be shit at coding. Teens in bedrooms with books & native compilers running as slow as a glacier had it much harder than Nintendo employees.
>>12565258that might also have described GM and Ford in the 70s right before the OPEC embargo
>>12565286i dont doubt that there was other shit like that in the 70s. atari is just unique in that their debauchery is pretty well documented. theres a whole documentary of ex-employees reminiscing about how fucking crazy it was to work at atari. and plenty of books and whatnot analyzing the crash
