This puzzle is brilliant on paper but I have to assume it is the victim of a shoddy English translation. On the Hard Riddle mode, the game gives you this hint:>The pin number this month is "T". Last month it was "X" and before that it was "Z." But what are they going to do next month? That's all they can express with 4 numbers.There's 3 problems here. Firstly, the game is BECKONING you to figure out NEXT month's PIN; your drive to learn and conquer can very easily conclude that this memo was written the previous month....except you actually ARE meant to solve for T all along.So basically everything after "Z." is irrelevant. But worse, everything past that point is also a lie: "That's all they can express with 4 numbers" is simply not true. Essentially what the hospital staff do is draw the letters using the PIN pad, so T would be 1328...except you CAN draw N with 7193, Y with 1537, U with 1793, et cetera. But if the hint is saying you can't express any other letters but Z/X/T, and you know that graphically you COULD, you would conclude that this is not meant to be solved graphically.Which leads to the third problem, which is that there is unfortunately ANOTHER interpretation where "That's all they can express with 4 numbers" almost makes sense. If you read the letters for their orders in the alphabet, Z = 26, X = 24, and T = 20. So, you could conclude that the passwords have to be made up of four digits: 2, 6, 4, or 0. Except it doesn't make sense because the PIN pad doesn't even have a 0, which should rule this out as a paradox, except you can already write off the (correct) graphical interpretation for the reasons given above, which basically means the whole thing is a logical clusterfuck.Here's how I would have presented the hint:>The pin number this month is "T". Last month it was "X" and before that it was "Z."Just that. You don't need any more context.
>>12560023>I have to assume it is the victim of a shoddy English translation.I wonder what the puzzle is in Japanese, if it also uses latin letters or if it was Japanese characters.
>>12560023I'm reminded of how the hint for the piano puzzle in the first game logically implies multiple correct answers.
>>12560023peruse the picrelOr just caveman it and try all possible 6561 combinations, or Cn(9,4) (combination of 9 elements, taking only 4 without repetition) = 126>But what are they going todo next month?Take a hard look at the hospital and ask me if they're going to change that pinAlso, you're on this month, not on the next. Unless you're a time traveller
>>12560332>your drive to learn and conquer can very easily conclude that this memo was written the previous month
>>12560383There a bunch of interpretations, since the distance between X and Z (24th and 26th letter) is 2, and X and T (20th) is 4, then you canreasonably guess it would be either the 14th (20 - 6) or 12th. ( 20 - (2*2*2)) These correspond to N and L, respectively, which would produce 7193 and 1779And then you can try things like intersecting lines, like 1,3,5 -> 135(1) returning to 1,which would interestingly produce a triangle in a game peppered with satanic symbolismYeah, it's a puzzle with many different approaches. But that's what good puzzles are anyways, trial and error.Would you prefer a yellow glowing thingy you'd have to shoot and open a gate?
Speaking of pinpad puzzles, is there a way to actually solve the bug room puzzle in the Historical Society depths/entrance to Toluca Prison, or is it really just mashing the functioning numbers until it opens?
>>12560445The 1, 5, and 6 keys are highlighted if memory serves me right. So you have to punch 561
>>12560449Was about to give this hint lol
>>12560449I don't remember which numbers were illuminated, I just know my solution was to keep pressing the working numbers in random order until it opened. It's not hard (other than constantly taking damage from the bugs), just feels a bit out of place relative to the other puzzles.
If you play the PC version, you can switch languages at any time during the game. Try this and you'll be surprised at how different the puzzle clues can be. I wonder if the translators even had access to any sort of context.
>>12560458I think the order is completely random, but it's one of these numbersSince it's 3!, it's not too bad. Just 6 attempts.
>>12560023For me it's the juice cans and rotating face cube. I and apparently a bunch of others end up thinking the juice cans are a consumable and the rotating face cube I just end up doing it until it randomly works. I don't really remember how I felt about the PIN one. Most of the other puzzles were okay though.
>>12560463If somebody can post a screen of the Japanese clue I can translate it. I'm curious too. I'd look it up myself but I don't know the game well enough to quickly find it in an lp and I'm not at home anyway.
>>12560220>first is white>second is white as far as possible from the first>third is black going past the second>fourth is white next to another white>fifth is blackI think there's only two possible answers. The actual solution (pic rel) or 2-1-5-4-3.
>>12560458I think the idea is to make it something you HAVE to guess, given the situation, but something that can be guessed reasonably quickly.
>>12560081I managed to find it, it's pretty much exactly the same in Japanese. You could argue translating それぐらい to a flat "That's ALL you can express with 4 digits" isn't great, but all the information is the same. The point of that line is definitely just to tell you you're looking for a 4 digit code, I think the clue is fine.
>>12561870The hint doesn't say "4 digits" but "4 numbers", and there is a MASSIVE difference: expressing something within 4 digits implies a character length limitation, but only being able to express things with 4 particular NUMBERS implies that the passwords are all made up of 4 particular values. And again, the game is practically inviting you to figure out next month's pin, so you may assume the memo was written last month.
I thought they needed to mention 4 numbers because you could draw a T with 5 numbers or a Z with 7 numbers. My first impulse would've been to try a U with 1478963. I also, the hint needs to be written as a note from one retarded shift worker to another, not as an autistic video game player's defined parameters for math problems.
>>12562027>I also, the hint needs to be written as a note from one retarded shift worker to another, not as an autistic video game player's defined parameters for math problems.Would a normie and a video game player disagree that a Y can be drawn?
>>12562032Ultimately, trial and error is a natural part of puzzles
>>12562027the normie can always look up the solution or play on normal/easy difficulty puzzles
>>12562410What's your point
>>12562846You already got your wish - retarded shift workers started writing puzzles for games and nowvery few (commercially sucessful) games try these thematic and cryptic riddles.And those who do, it's mostly inspect thingy, rotate until controls lock by themselves then you press a button.Or you just press a button and everything gets illuminated, so you know which pipe goes whereYay.Can we go back to 5th-6th gen silent hill now? I don't want to start daydrinking again
>>12562901No, you retard. I meant the hint is diagetically written by characters in the game who are retarded shift workers. The tone and diction should match the context of the narrative in which it is presented. What the fuck are you going on about
>>12562945Anon, this is a game that happens in a city where the very fabric of reality is being distorted with psychosexual turmoil and griefNot everything has to make sense.
>>12562967>except the logic puzzles Fucking retard.
>>12562945>The tone and diction should match the context of the narrative in which it is presentedWhat, like just fucking lying?
>>12562972You're a sniveling little faggot
>>12562945>retarded shift workersAren't they a bit more clinical (no pun intended) at hospitals?
>>12563230Every doctor I've ever known was hilariously stupid about most non-medical things. I've also had to work with Dentists and dentist-adjacent people and the latter are genuinely some of the stupidest people I've ever had to deal with.
>>12563354That doesn't mean the hint should lie
>>12564519I think it would've been better if the answer was "1793" and it said this month's was "U". "T" being 1328 is kind of a stretch, writing a capital N in one continuous stroke isn't something most people do, and 1537 wouldn't be an uppercase "Y". It doesn't invite you to guess next month's because it tells you there aren't anymore possibilities. You chose to ignore that part of the clue and you had a bad time.
>>12564530>writing a capital N in one continuous stroke isn't something most people doDo people usually lift the pen just to place it back down at the same spot when writing an N?
>>12564530>writing a capital N in one continuous stroke isn't something most people doAlso, that X is a valid password shows that it doesn't even have to be one continuous stroke anyway.
>>12564562I start with drawing a vertical line down, then go to the top and go down-right, up to finish it.>>12564564Yeah "X" is pretty stupid too.
>>12560023I’m struggling to see the problem at all here. Professor Layton games had loads of puzzles designed around superfluous info to cause you to overthink. The clue tells you that month’s letter is a ‘T’ and you have to do it in 4 numbers. I genuinely can’t understand how anyone can struggle with this even if they launched into the game on hard riddle mode on a first playthrough and didn’t know it was limited to 4 digits.
