What happened to Nintendo during the GameCube era?
>>12561921>Posts 2 great gamesI don't get it.
>>12561921Miyamoto was busy making fucking Pikmin instead of focusing on making a proper sequel to SM64 and WW, he left Aonuma to fuck up zelda and some other clown to fuck up Mario
They were angry that they bet on cartridges the previous gen and now they would have to be forced to use CDs/DVDs. Out of spite, they decided to style their entire new console around special tiny game discs to combat their piracy fears and to force publishers to print their special discs instead of the much cheaper and easier normal-sized discs.From now on, every Nintendo console would have some weirdness and awkward features that made them essentially not compete with Sony or Microsoft. The Wii was a universal hit but their gamblr didn't truly pay off until the Switch, when they found the perfect niche as the "least powerful but most portable" console.
>>125619211 of those games is good though
6th gen saved /vr/Can't wait until 7th and 8th gen are allowed, too.
>>12561932You are a mentally ill retard
>>12561942>namecallingI accept your concession
>>12561953You can accept guzziling all this sperm down your throat once i'm done with you.
>>12561921Yamauchi retired.
>>12561960Is this feeding or sneeding?
>>12561973It's formely chucks.
>>12561921It was the first gen where their desired audience was younger than the actual audience. They wanted to make games for kids, but the 20-somethings who grew out of kiddy stuff felt left out and got angry.
>>12561921the issue is what happened before that
>>12562001Yeah. It seems like there weren't enough young kids interested in console games to keep the GameCube afloat like previous gens. I guess because by that point handhelds like GBA were good enough.
Friendly reminder: Super Mario 64 DS should have been released on GameCube not fucking DS.
>>12561936Based.I still think it's a huge shame that Nintendo adopted the, "YEP, we're a gimmick company guys!" attitude. And then proceeded to half-ass these gimmicks because the point was no longer to push gaming forward, it was all for marketing. Nintendo probably played a real hand in canceling the future of gaming with that shit. 90's Nintendo was like, "Gimmicks? WTF do you mean gimmicks? This is the future of games, retard" and then they'd playtest the idea a billion times until it was perfect
They turned gay and appealed only to faggots.
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>>12561921Failure of the 64 and especially the DD left them scrambling to come up with software for the Gamecube after scrapping tons of 64 projects late in the cycle, and every single major Nintendo title was rushed out the door with blatant pacing issues and cut content unlike ever seen before from their first party titles. Nintendo was already struggling with developing 3D games and the Gamecube demanded even more out of already stretched thin teams. Can't imagine it was a very pleasant time to work for the company.
>>12562189>Failure of the 64stopped reading there, you're clueless.
>>12562189>Nintendo was already struggling with developing 3D gameswtf?? ? Nintendo invented 3D game development.
>he didn't like Super Mario Community Service Beach EditionFiltered.
If I had to speculate in honesty: it's because the A team got rich and were at the age they wanted to spend more time with their families. So they fucked off and handed things off to the new crowd despite not understanding how much more work went into games in this gen vs the previous.
>>12561921>let's be creative and give people something new and unique and not just the same rehash slop like every other devand then you brain dead fucking faggots ruined it by bitching and moaning about great games so nintendo complied and has been putting out garbage ever since. thanks a lot retards
>>12562212I personally like the 64's library way more than anything else from that gen. Doesn't change the fact that it largely failed to sell outside of the US and tons of Nintendo's plans surrounding game development later on in its life fell through or got cut down thanks to one reason or another, mostly the 64DD.So you had all these teams that got rugpulled out of other projects late into the game and now they had to jump ship to a new system and get software ready for it fast, under more pressure than ever before. It obviously shows in the results. Sunshine missed the Gamecube release window and was severely undercooked with many of its bigger ambitions undelivered in the final game. Wind Waker is notorious for the Triforce hunt, which only exists because they deleted a huge chunk of the game to get it out by Christmas.Even non-first party games that relied on Nintendo IPs suffered as they tried to fill out release schedules, Thousand Year Door was rushed out in under a single year of development which is completely nuts.
>>12562212The N64 was bolstered almost entirely by the North American market. It got stomped by the PlayStation everywhere else.
>>12562273TRVKE
>>12562273Yeah you're right, pretentious faggots like the ones on this site who just hate video games are the reason we get remakes and remasters instead of original games.
>>12561960bit gay
>>12562048But hasn't that actually worked out for them well in the long run? Xbox and Playstation both, for lack of a better word, have no "mystique" anymore. They just make specialized PCs in a funny looking box and, wouldn't you know it, both of them are completely floundering now on every conceivable level.
>>12561921>What happened to Nintendo during the GameCube era?The market still had enough brain cells to be bored of half-assed IP humping but Nintendo refused to believe that.They gambled on gimmick platforms next (which FINALLY happened to work for them through no fault of their own) and that helped them coast until the stunted adults and screentime gen had enough purchasing power to carry that trash company which hasn't done anything above mediocrity in 30 years.
>>12562426Yes, that anon is being stupid. Nintendo attempting to directly compete with mega corporations like Sony and Microsoft would’ve been a fool’s errand. The console market has never and will never have three similar consoles all doing well.
>>12562442Nintendo’s IP is so valuable precisely because it’s still seen as a special event when a new mainline Zelda or Mario game releases compared to a new Assassin’s Creed or CoD game that comes out every year.
>>12562449Adding to this: Compare it to Star Wars when the Lucas trilogies came out every three years versus Disney attempting to apply the Marvel formula to it by releasing a Star Wars movie every year.
>>12562273>saying this when the direct sequels are fucking mario galaxy and link's edgy fursona phase
>>12562449shut up
>>12562458That anon said something stupid so I corrected him.
they continued their streak of great mario/zelda games, evidently>>12562048the gamecube was their last "high end" console. calling the use of minidvd's in the gamecube a gimmick is a bit of a stretch. it is the only obvious self-imposed limitation of the console however and i'm not really sure why they did it to be honest, like it can't have been any cheaper to use a minidvd mech over a regular dvd mech, and discs surely cost the same to make either way as well. it alone isn't really much of an anti-piracy system either. only thing i can think of is them perhaps things games wouldn't or shouldn't need more space than what a minidvd could offer, but they should know better than that from the n64
if you still played nintendo you wheere a faggot that like kids games
>>12562463GameCube/Xbox was the best combo in hindsight. I associate the PS2 with low class chavs and slavs who only play CoD, FIFA and Gran Turismo.
>>12562467i bet you like to suck dick
>>12562469I’m definitely right about this.
>>12562461oh and i saw this as a kid who picked the ps2. i remember trying a Sunshine kiosk when i had the opportunity to choose which console i wanted for christmas, and it nearly won me over. it looked absolutely stunning. but i had previously owned a playstation and the selection of games just seemed better on ps2 overall. never owned a nintendo console besides the gameboy so had next to no existing interest in the mario/zelda/etc series
>>12562449>seen as a special event when a new mainline Zelda or Mario game releasesthanks for proving my pointThey're milking tired IPs for brainrot markets to prop themselves up. I mean, everyone does it, but it's pretty much Nintendo's only thing.
>>12562474It’s been almost a decade since Mario Odyssey came out. I wouldn’t describe that as milking an IP. Nintendo’s strategy is to only release one or two mainline titles per console generation which keeps their games feeling special.
>>12561921you came of age and didn't realise until then that nintendo consoles/games were mostly targeted at kids, you wanted more of what was cool to you when you were 12 but by the time wind waker came out it felt too cartoony for you
>>12562486It’s funny because I was 12 for Ocarina and 17 for Wind Waker. Wind Waker ended up being my all time favorite 3D Zelda game because I was a big anime/animation nerd.
>>12561932>>12562050Reminder that Aonuma took his wife's name when he got married
>>12562493lol i was going to write "17" as an example but didn't want to be too specific. also only bringing it up as a possibility for specific people, but that should be obvious.like i can understand if a big zelda fan was put off by WW, as zelda games prior to that have had a more "serious" look to them, at least for the era they were released in. it took until the end of the gamecube's life before it got a "serious looking" zelda title, though i'd argue that despite the cartoony look of WW, it's not a diluted/"jr." zelda title, it just looks like one
>>12562509>despite the cartoony look of WW, it's not a diluted/"jr." zelda title, it just looks like oneFor sure. The other reason I love it so much is that it’s the most cinematic feeling Zelda. I’ve always felt that it would be the easiest one to adapt as a movie.
>>12562514it's probably the easiest to adapt to a 3D CGI movie, though i imagine with that style it'd be hard not to make it more of a kids movie, though idk how that'd even work, afaik there aren't any other nintendo/zelda games that have used that style since so only people around our age would even recognise itinteresting point about anime you brought up as well since that's around when anime was really picking up in popularity in the west, it was really niche in the '90s and earlier but by the early '00s anime was getting pretty popular so we were getting more games (translations) that would otherwise have been left in japan for being too "japanese"
>>12562509>it's not a diluted/"jr." zelda title, it just looks like oneIt also is one.
>>12562523Yeah, BotW/TotK are very anime inspired, but it’s modern shonen style stuff that is more familiar to general audiences. I was amazed when I found out that Wind Waker’s art design was directly borrowed from a 1960s era anime.
>>12561921Haters be damned. The GameCube/GBA era was such a creative peak for Nintendo. Wind Waker and Sunshine are flawed, but still wonderful creative swings.
I will truly never understand the type of person who thinks Nintendo should’ve just done retreads of OoT and Mario 64 but with sixth gen graphics. Such a creatively stagnant point of view.
>>12562586majoras mask i think probably threw some people offlike that is the rare case where people actually did get "more of the same". but all other zelda games have been very different to each other. you'd think zelda fans would be used to big changes but majoras mask stands out as being similar enough to oot to suggest a standard, not long before wind waker comes and reminds people that zelda doesn't have a standard again
>>12561921Breakdown in communication, the boss said he wanted them to put the "game" in gamecube but they heard put the "gay" in gamecube so that's what they did.
>>12561932>Miyamoto was busy making fucking PikminYou say this as if the first pikmin isn't a quality game
>>12562397>The N64 was bolstered almost entirely by the North American marketAKA, the only market that matters
>>12562586ask them what their favorite pokemon is and itll start to make sense
>>12562993Of course. And that's losing 20 million players per generation while Sony dominates on every continent.
>>12561926WW is not a great game. It’s a reheated plate of leftovers from OOT’s feast.
>>12562986>famous director is busy making a new ip no one cares about instead of making a proper sequel for a famous franchise during the launch of a struggling consoleWhy do I feel like someone made the same mistake before?
>>12563285It literally redefined 3D Zelda.
>>12563223Doesn’t even matter; well, it would have if they decided to use CDs, but instead they were making money on every single cartridge sold. And onto that the fact that most of the first-party titles sold very well, it definitely wasn’t a failure from Nintendo’s perspective, which is what the original argument was.
>>12563341What's the mistake? That Pikmin has a ton of sequels? That people like it?
>>12561932>he left Aonuma to fuck up zelda and some other clown to fuck up MarioWhat the fuck, is this true?
>>12561941This place became a lot cooler with us, you guys are just a bunch of grumpy boomers.
>>12561936If you like to blindly follow the crowd than Nintendo games and consoles are not for you, go for PlayStation, we are a special club here.
>>12563698Sunshine was directed by Yoshiaki Koizumi and Kenta Usui so yeah
>>12562534>Wind Waker’s art design was directly borrowed from a 1960s era animeWhich anime?
>>12563341NiGHTS schizo pls
>>12563685I only played the first Pikmin, but that was actually a great game.
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>>12562534>>12563837The Little Prince inspired the visual style, but Future Boy Conan inspired everything else.
Reminder that they could have made their discs 5% larger and beat piracy and swayed third parties in one move.
>>12561961/thread
they were like "lets experiment and make the best games ever made on brand new hardware" and they did it and every game they made was awesome
>>12561921First console gen where the nintendo old guard had taken more producing roles than directing
>>12561921They were drinking lots of onions.
>>12561921They made bad games during that era
>>12563356Sailing gimmick =/= redefineWith that said it's alright.
>>12562586Yes it's exactly people like you why they haven't made a good Mario or Zelda in ages. They are not strictly focused on making a good game, they are focused strictly on making a FRESH game, that gets eyeballs turning. That's why there's always a new gimmick, and you have to suffer through the gimmick. Not optional, sorry
>>12561921Playstation and Xbox were all gritty, violent, edgy maturity, so Nintendo tried to aim in the opposite direction as far as humanly possible. Turns out that didn't get sales.
>>12566001Hell, even when they explicitly ape and rehash an older title with the intent of giving fans more of what they liked before, they almost always shoehorn a gimmick anyway (see TP and the half-baked wolf shit). One of the only times I can think of where they didn't do this and pretty much just gave us the same game again but with new levels is Mario Galaxy 2, and they were pretty open about the fact that it pretty much was just them making a game out of all the leftover ideas they had for the first game.
>>12566124Tears of the Kingdom as well
>>12566137Even that has the whole Minecraft/Roblox crafting shit going on. Beyond Yoshi and a couple of new powerups, SMG2 added close to nothing.
>>12562461>and i'm not really sure why they did it to be honest, like it can't have been any cheaper to use a minidvd mech over a regular dvd mech, and discs surely cost the same to make either way as well.It was partly autism about piracy after seeing what happened to the PS1 and Dreamcast, and people believe that Nintendo wanted to keep their "pay us for the game media" system from the cartridge days, but I don't buy that since that's what killed the N64.I remember reading for years that Sony, as one of the principal companies that had created DVD, collected some kind of small royalty on every disc, and that the same was true for CDs (which is why for instance you had to buy a special dongle for your Xbox to play movies, Microsoft didn't want to pay for the license on every console), and that Yamauchi refused to ever let Sony make any kind of money from his products after their SNES-CD deal failed.
>>12562273Dude, they shit out Sunshine in only 18 months!
>>12566001You would complain either way. Nintendo was always mostly right to ignore fan demands.
>>12566169>but I don't buy that since that's what killed the N64.The N64 was plagued by delays and the PlayStation got a year’s head start as a result. As good as Mario 64 was, the system launched with only two games at a time when the PS1 was really starting to hit its stride.
>>12563850Same here, and yeah Pikmin rules. I don't mind having traded away one excellent Mario game for one good but seriously flawed Mario game and one Pikmin, if that's what happened.
>>12563984But the characters in that picture are cute and don't have weird grotesque football heads with cat eyes... I don't think that can be called a "direct" borrowing, without the grotesque heads.
>>12562397Every household in my country that had a 64 had it because there was a boy there who wanted to play bond. There was nothing like that to make the next round of 13 year old dudes get Gamecubes
>>12562001This 100%, they mistimed the generation shift, that would come later with the Wii. Simply switch the release dates of TP and WW and I believe it would have worked out much better for them.
>>12562501Yikes
>>12562501Based
>>12562501Taking the wife's name doesn't have the same connotation in Japan as it does in the West. It's fairly common for men to do that when marrying into a higher class family.
>>12566124The thing is Wind Waker is structured much more like OoT compared to Majora’s Mask, which is arguably way more gimmicky with its time loop mechanic and focus on side quests and collecting all the masks.
>>12562050PlayStation isn't floundering. Xbox is but that's just because they're ran by tasteless retards who doesn't know what their dwindling audience actually wantsPlayStation only stumbled because of their GAAS push which you could blame on Fortnite more than anything.
>>12566874That's still billions down the drain with nothing to show for it and multiple high profile flops in a row. That's not nothing. And what do they have otherwise, Astrobot? A handful of "remasters" of games that weren't more than a single gen old at the time? Constant price hikes?
>>12566169i suppose it could be some kind of "legally distinct not-dvd media" thing to avoid paying sony anything, though i think that'd be a bit petty, it was a whole generation separate from the snes-cd incident
