How did RE4 "Save the franchise" if it completely changed what the franchise was about?
>>12576031It's simple, instead of making a clunky tank control PoS for the fourth time, they made one of the best games ever instead. Without it, RE would've died as a series. Now it's a changeling series, always offering something fresh for the fans of old characters and new.Not everyone likes eating the same old bread until it becomes dessicated hard tack
>>12576031Sony chads arent nintendies who want the same game released 57 times.
>>12576053... You do realize what this was released on first right
>>12576057probably not, console warriors are brain damaged
>>12576031It's the same problem Tomb Raider had; the formula was getting stale after four games.
I too wish games stayed the same forever OP
>>12576031In the same way we need to import more immigrants to save our nation
>>12576031But anon the controls are identical
>>12576076Yeah, but now they added a bunch of QTEs (even in the cutscenes) to keep the player on their toes.
>>12576042Classic fags annihilated
>>12576031The series sales were dropping as was interest and hype.Most everybody thought they were old news by 2000 and they were releasing increasingly crappy games.RE4 was the first in a long time to be well rated, liked, innovative and well selling.The series was shrinking and losing favor among players and critics.So that is how it saved the series.
>>12576031>Save the franchiseIt didn't>Resident Evil 4: 2.30 million copies sold>Sonic Heroes: 2.9 million copis soldRE4 was a massive flop and put Capcom in panic mode.
>>12576031It didn't change what the franchise was about. The series had already been trending more towards action with every entry, even as early as RE2, and the storyline had already devolved into goofy bullshit with Code Veronica. RE4 is exactly what the series was leading towards, it just happened to be a bigger step forward than most in terms of how action-oriented it is and how good it is as an action game.
>>12576257You can bet your ass the developers would be bored of out their ass if they were just refining the "safe" gameplay of the old Resident Evils.Video games were on the cutting edge of development back then, adhering to old technological bottlenecks to satiate a greasy unkempt faggot who only apparently plays classic games on repeat would've been boring and retarded when you're an explorer of a new frontier.
>>12576302get the fuck of /vr/
>>12576337Eat my ass
>>12576283the core meat of both re2 and re3 is a laybrinth of zombie obstcales. the games eventually become more action oriented in the climax but the basis of the game was still the same as re1. re4 immediately from the jump was focused purely on linear combat sequences. the main enjoyment is always immediate ganado killing, no protracted routing at all.
>>12576357>Eat my assur gay bro
>>12576057>>12576062Mikami himself said that RE games sold like shit on GameCube so he left it for PS2
>>12576042>fourth time>he thinks RE4 is the fourth titleFake faggot
>>12576031RE4cucks like to rewrite history. The only thing good about the RE4 is the gameplay. Unfortunately Capcom got rid of everything else(zombies, a futuristic underground facility, a big building to explore with hidden paths, survival horror). Instead they turned it into an action game, with an emo mass shooter killing innocent villagers. They also had cult members in robes, a midget who looked like he's from the 1700's and most of the action takes place at a village that looks like it takes place in the 1700's and not the early 2000's. It's as if it were a reskin of an entirely different game(most likely Devil May Cry).
>>12576405Not everyone cares to be a pedantic homosexual
>>12576031>entry is known for "saving the franchise">completely changes what the franchise was aboutYou could do a whole thread on games like these. In fact, I just might.
>>12576031Let's see:>linear action game with barely any puzzles>what few puzzles are there are completely trivial>the game showers you in ammo and healing items >story is fucking stupidSounds like Resident Evil 4 is just Resident Evil 2 all over again. If you want to blame any game for the action pivot, it's RE2.
>>12576031True. They threw the garloids out with the bath water.
>>12576406I disagree, I think everything about the game is great.Perfectly okay for you to not agree though, no worries.
>>12576042RE4 has tank controls tho
>>12576042RE4 has tank controls.
>>12576042>clunky tank control PoSBut that's literally RE4.
>>12576745>>12576913>>12576737I think anon meant the over the shoulder camera
>>12576031"franchises" are simply an abstraction, a brand, they don't mean a thing. companies buy and sell brands at will and different people work on them. however, retarded nerds love labels and consuming things based on them.
>>12576727And it's okay that you disagree. We all have our own tastes and opinions. Sad that disagreements while being civil like this isn't common.
>>12576031Beecause the games that didn't and just refried the same formula just disappointed people.
>>12576031Disagree that it "completely changed what the franchise was about". RE4 is very similar to RE1, it just has more enemies and ammo. It builds tension through action rather than survival, by having a lot more complex and challenging combat encounters. Still same level of horror as original RE1 as well. The story is fun and campy just like RE1. The protagonist is a highly trained professional just like the original. Mikami knew what he was doing, he's the father of the franchise after all.
Resi was always a action game. Resource management never meant anything. You could easily kill 95% of all enemies in all classic resi games.The biggest change with resi4 was level design. Instead of a singular level that somewhat reassembled a metroidvania you get multiple linear levels.
>>12576919If he wanted to talk about the camera then he would have said "camera" instead of talking about the controls.
>>12576697>If you want to blame any game for the action pivot, it's RE2.RE2 is weird because it opens up giving you the impression that it's going to heavily involve these street sections with tons of zombies that you have to cross to get to various buildings, but then it immediately falls back on trying to recreate the RE1 mansion: boogaloo with the police station instead of actually pushing for a more varied structure, and so it ends up mildly inferior to the first game given the more limited puzzles/non-linearity etc.
>>12577251Resi 2 street edition would suck. It worked for re3 but would fail hard here. Focusing on the core re1 level design was the right choice.
>>12576697Not really. RE2 is very classic RE and keeps the Survival HORROR element intact. Whereas RE4 went to an entirely different genre(action shooter) and has no resemblance to the classic RE games.
>>12576031I agree with the sentiment. Anything beyond RE3 isn't resident evil, it's another franchise wearing the face of RE as a mask
>>12576923I too expect a randomly flavoured random type of beverage when I purchase a can of coca cola.
>>12576031Resident Evil's entire gimmick is changing the franchise. They do it more or less every 3rd main game. My first game was 4, but I imagine that people who grew up with the previous entries feel slightly less pissed about the jump to 4 than I do about the jump from 5 to 6 or 6 to 7. I didn't even finish 6 and yet I couldn't help but seethe just seeing how badly they fucked up 7. Good luck, RE fans of current year and beyond... You're gonna need it...
>>12576403RE4 is one of the most successful (and I think most successful third party dev) games on the Gamecube. It was the cube itself that sold like ass, and we know how retarded Capcom are regarding sales expectations.
>>12577392RE7 returned to the horror roots, but I can’t really get into the first person thing.
>>12577353>anything beyond RE3Bro? Your Code Veronica?
>>12576697RE2 is the best and purest form of the classic RE games though. It polished what the first game did and didn't change the formula at all like 3 did.
>>12577542The gameplay was more polished, but the first game’s isolated mansion setting is better.
N>the post was made by a negroe
>>12576337I appreciated the humour of your post in reference to the cesspool that is /vr/.>Fedora tip, M'Sir
>>12576406>Unfortunately Capcom got rid of everything else>(zombies, a futuristic underground facility, a big building to explore with hidden paths, survival horror)>unfortunately thank fuck they did. there's only so many times you can do a haunted mansion with zombies and high tech underground bunker before it gets boring. the story has always been pants on head retarded in RE games anyway, with Saturday morning cartoon tier villains. oooo spoopy secret shadow government oooooohRE4 is arguably the only good game in this faggot series full of running around backtracking with a key that takes up the same space as a rocket launcher. it's a miracle it ever even got popular
>>12577950Faggot hates the series and only likes the normie game. Posts on chan about his faggot opinion.Anon...
>>12577982being popular does not automatically make something bad
>>12577982All Resident Evil games are normalfaggots games. I don't know where you retards got the idea a series that regularly sold 4 or 5 million copies per game was ever some obscure niche thing. Those aren't terrible numbers today, let alone 30 fucking years ago.
>>12577950>Guess there's no sex discrimination here.Never got why this line was supposed to be controversial
>>12578379>horrific murder scene>heh equal lefts am I right?it makes leon look like a chud
>>12577358Don't remember New Coke, huh?
>>12578384>muh chudYou kids still do that?But, no, it makes him look like he's coping with the horror with humour. It does make the writer look like they can't write good descriptions though.
>>12578181Then why normies refuse to play OG PS1 games + Code Veronica?>>12578379They want Leon to scream "women rights!" instead
>>12577950I'm a huge fan of RE4 but even I can admit RE1-3 are better games
>>12578401>normiesIf you say "normies" you are a newnormalfag.
>>12578394>it makes him look like he's coping with the horror with humour.This. Kids are so mindbroken they assume any time gender is mentioned it's some "woke" propaganda. It was a joke.
>>12577950t.nuREfag who never played the OG games
>>12578413I absolutely did. I played the original RE not long ago and dropped it when I opened the front door and got killed by a dog. total waste of time
>>12576031The devs really did not WANT to make a classic style RE4, and it shows in how weak and uninspired CV and RE0 actually are, and how they trashed like two different attempts at making RE4 a classic RE game before making the final RE4 (and also how one of the attempted RE4s was so off the fucking rails that it later became Devil May Cry).>>12576274RE4 was exclusive to NGC and still sold 1.6 Million copies there, then the port to PS2 sold another 2.3 Million.When it's re-released on PS3 and 360, it sells 1.3 Million, and re-releasing it again on PS4, Switch, and XBoner is another 4.5 Million. The second PC port sold 3.3 Million.Ergo, it sold extremely well by NGC standards, sold well by PS2 standards, then selling well for a re-release on PS3/360, and then sells VERY well for a re-release when put out again on PS4, Switch, XBoner, and PC.Mind, the majority of all work and money that went into RE4 was developing it the first time, so the PS2 port alone had a strong profit ratio.
Oh, and the Wii edition of RE4 sold another 2 Million (though that port ruins the gameplay).
RE4 is one of the most fun games ever, I don't know why people hate it solely because it's different without judging it on its merits as an amazing action game
>>12576337He's harsh, but objectively, RE4 is what the developers would much rather make than making RE4 yet another original style Resident Evil.>>12578556Some people have decades long psychological complexes about about throwaway forum posts and disagreements at school.
>>12578401>They want Leon to scream "women rights!" insteadyou want to hear a joke
>>12576031RE was one of the most popular franchises in gaming when RE4 came out. There was nothing that needed saving.
>>12577229>>12577192Objectively correct.>>12577251Pretty much.>>12578181Also true, the mainline games always sold extremely well.>>12578401Because normalfags don't tend to play really fucking old games from before their time very often, and the last 15 years of Resident Evil games are much more accommodating and appealing to normalfags.The remakes of 2, 3, and even 4, are designed to have a stronger market appeal to normalfaggots.
>>12578556people don't really hate 4 as much as the overarching trend it represents. the boardgame like scenario design of classic resident evil didn't just get replaced in the series but basically gaming as a whole.
>>12578526thats the remake tho as that doesnt happen in the original.
>>12578551>RE4 was exclusive to NGC and still sold 1.6 Million copies thereIt still does not change the fact that RE4 was a "box-office bomb" of the gaming industry during its correspoding generation.Sonic Heroes sold 1.4m on the Gamecube.The combined sales (GC+PS2) of RE4 are still below the combined sales of Sonic Heroes.
idk boomers bitch but it makes perfect sense in retrospectRE1>A horror game with some action elements like boss battlesRE2>A horror game with more action elements than its predecessorRE3>A horror game with more action elements than its predecessor, and even features an arcade game mode that is entirely focused on its action combatRE4>Now officially an action game.
>>12579183>comparing ANYTHING to SANIC autismThat's not fair and you know it.
>>12578526I can tell you never played it! LMFAO
on paper and in the mind of the creator RE4 is a solid horror game. Alone in a foreign village with creepy people who you dont understand. Perfect. Judging from a 2026 it has of course lost that charm knowing everyone has lost his soul annyways
