>storyCompletely ripped off Star Wars. The story is always the same: rebels fight against an evil empire or the dominant power of their era. All FF games share this. Even the fact that there is a shocking plot twist in the end is straight from Star Wars. The protagonist is somehow related to the evil side either via family or because he used to belong to them and was adopted by the good side. It is included even if it barely makes any sense. There was no good reason to make Zidane an alien or Tidus an illusion. It added nothing to the story. But vader being lukes father made you see the story in a different way.>RPG mechanicsCompletely ripped off from Ultima and Wizardry. Complete fucking monster types were 1:1 incorporated into the game from western dungeons and dragons culture. A treasure chest enemy called Mimic? Shamelessly stolen from D&D. And there are hundreds of example like this.But this is not all. The mechanics were casualized and flattened. In original Wizardry games every decision mattered und you were punished for not paying attention. FF has 80 useless spells and you can easily beat the game by blindly spamming the strongest one and using heal.Just like with the first example Japs copied a formula without truly understanding it.FF was never good and never will be, just like Jap games were never a match for Western games
you're wrong from the first sentence because the first game doesn't even have an empire of any sort, just monsters and evilgood job, retard
Cool story, bro.Did you know D&D was Americans ripping off English Tolkien? Wow.
>>12581528Tolkien ripped off German and Nordic myths.Lord of the Rings is almost a 1:1 rip off from Ring of the nibelungen. It also features a ring that gives you power and dwarves and all that shit.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen
>>12581521You're not wrong, OP. In fact, JRPGs and all RPGs in general were never good.
>>12581530Yes. Tolkien was inspired by Beowulf which was inspired by Gilgamesh. Everything is a copy of Gilgamesh.How many stories can be told? How many game types can there be?Despite this we can all clearly see differences between stories and games. It's in the details.I could just say "Sonic suxxx because they copied Mario" and that would be just as disingenuous as OP.
>>12581532They were good for their time (being precisely a version of D&D that didn't require other people), but they got outdated fast.Almost all genres mog them, especially strategy and tactics games that require actual planning instead of grinding.
>>12581535>Everything is a copy of Gilgamesh.Wrong, it is the first WRITTEN story. Oral stories are much older. It is very likely Gilgamesh is stolen from some story even more ancient.
>>12581545I know, I was simplifying it for brevity. There were likely written stories before that, too, which haven't survived.>>12581542>He needs to grind to way over enemy levels and get the best items to beat RPGs.That's the "easy" difficulty setting. These games expect you to make your choices about difficulty on your own, you just don't see the nuance.
>>12581530Every time I see someone on 4chan claim that something is 'ripped off beat-for-beat' from a German opera, I look it up and they bear very little resemblance to each other.
>>12581552In the same vein, does Final Fantasy "resemble" D&D or Star Wars? Not particularly. Inspiration and references, for sure. Much like those examples that anon gave.
>>12581557Yeah, I think anons a being pretty liberal with the term 'rip-off'.
>>12581559are being*
>>12581559That seems like the only conclusion to draw.
>>12581552>ring that gives the owner unlimited powerYeah totally not a rip-off.Here is the unsettling truth: Tolkien massively profited from his work releasing directly after WW2 when everybody despised Germany and their culture. Nobody was going to defame his own countryman just to defend Germany's honor.
>>12581521>Completely ripped off Star Wars.The series borrows a lot from movies, which was Kitases big contribution (Kitase studied filmmaking and loved Star Wars). Say what you want about it, but very few RPGs were as filmic and cinematic before the FF games moved the JRPG genre in that direction.
>>12581574Okay, but that’s a far cry from claiming the plots are 1:1 with each other.
>>12581576Big budget Hollywood movies are something wholly unique to America. No other country produces films on the same scale, so naturally Japanese products like video games are going to borrow from them.
>>12581521How raped were you?
>>12581579Only because Europe was bombed to the stone age twice. Before the wars, German cinema was gigantic.>>12581576Meh, I would say 6 was the first cinematic RPG. 4 has a plot that is laughable and childish.
>>12581521>rebels fight against the evil empireimagine being so retarded you think star wars slop invented this concept.
>>12581530>Lord of the Rings is almost a 1:1 rip off from Ring of the nibelungen.I wouldn't call it a 1:1 rip off, obviously they share some common elements. Wagner's Ring was actually more based on the Nordic Völsunga Saga and the parts in the Poetic Edda than on the Germanic Nibelungenlied (because back then, the Nordic sagas were thought to be older and more original versions of the story). And Tolkien obviously was very interested in the story of Sigurd and the dragon, he even wrote his own version of the story in verse form called The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún, where he changed some things he felt the Völsunga Saga had gotten wrong compared to the older story fragments in the Edda, can't remember the exact details now. Sigurd also reforges the shards of his ancestor's sword similar to how Aragorn's sword is reforged in LotR. But to call it a 1:1 ripoff is hyperbole.
>>12581590Nigga, this isn't even the only work Trollkin ripped off.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Well_at_the_World%27s_End>GandolfFucking kek. Name almost stolen 1:1. The dark truth is that the most succesful people are just the best ones at stealing and obscuring their sources. Wait until you hear about Einstein.
>>12581601Gandalf is also one of the dwarves mentioned in the Poetic Edda.
>>12581606Theft is theft, even if the sources are ancient.
>>12581606Today I discovered my name originates from old norse, cool. Cool. I'm going to dig into this Poetic Edda thing for a bit. Interesting.
>>12581638It's a good collection of stories of the Norse gods and heroes all in verse, can recommend. Hervarar Saga is also pretty nice and also inspired Tolkien (more dvarwes, barrow-wights, Mirkwood, huge battles). There's an English translation of it by Christopher Tolkien too.
>>12581601I don’t think Tolkien ever obscured his influences lol. The guy was a literature professor.
>>12581521Zidane.
>>12582163Only North America and Japan matter on this board. Please refrain from 'footy' posting, please.
>>12582341Funny because both USA and Japan hosted a footy world cup :)
>>12581521>FF has 80 useless spellsThe useless spells in FF1 were that way because they followed way too closely to the spells from 1st edtion AD&D. Just look at the redundant death spells:Level 5:>BANE Chance to kill all enemies This is "cloudkill", one of the best spells in first edition as it was stonger than higher level death spells as it was AOE and also a -4 penalty for enemy saving throw. Stupidly strong spell. Level 6: >QAKE Kills all enemiesThis is "earthquake" which killed all non flying enemies who fell in cracks in the ground which then closed, crushing them for instant death>RUB Rubs out (Kills) one enemyThe spell "disintigrate" which is a single target spell that erases the enemy from existenceLevel 7:>BRAK Kills one enemyThis is "Statue", one of the petrification spells from 1st edition. You can then break the statue instantly killing the oponent.Level 8:>XXXX Kills one enemy (if under 300hp) no chance to resistThis is "power word kill", a death spell that only kills if target is under 120hp wity no saving throw (final fantasy scaled hp higher overall)>ZAP! Kills enemy by banishing them to another dimensionThis "prismatic sphere", which causes banishment to another plane/dimension.The level 6 spell is so good compared to later ones, just like real D&D.
>>12582534Forgot pic. Even the spell levels match their D&D counterparts, except FF combined level 8th and 9th level spells.
>>12581545>Oral stories are much older.Prove it :)
>>12581521based
>>12581521>ripped offPeople who can't tell the difference between plagarism(which doesn't matter) and influence should be strung out on a post.
>>12581521Maybe I shouldn't say it's weak bait because clearly it worked on some anons somehow, but this is weak bait. You can't use the mimic as your example of the monsters stolen from D&D, the rest of the stuff is maybe possibly believable as just somebody who doesn't know about most of the FF games, but the mimic thing is just too obvious.
>>12581530its based on welsh and druid lore. not really german. unless you germanic forces invading UK in the past.but sure, we should play canonical faerie mythical RPGs. name them
>>12583458>You can't use the mimic as your example of the monsters stolen from D&DLook it up retard.
>>12583532>unless you MEAN germanic forces invading UK in the past.
>>12583532False
Final Fantasy was and will always be gayJarpig fags BTFO
>>12585180Haha true
