Why don't I like Quake? I've replayed Doom, and all the build engine games but every time I try to get into Quake I get bored a couple of levels in, technically I should like the setting and atmosphere it has going for it, but something about it is just too sterile and soulless
>>12655423BROWN
Guns are too weak.
>>12655423>Quake badanother shit b8 thread that killed a.... >>12651662ok it killed a shit jag thread. balances out.anyhoo i do agree that Quake is too brown n soulless. but at least it didn't have bloom... yet.
>>12655434sadly (for you) i am a 6 feet tall, blue eyed germanic beast, if I were racist I'd call you a nigger mutt and move on with my day, but since I'm not racist I am not going to do that.
>>12655443I meant the game is brown as fuck
>>12655506oh... /pol/ has ruined this site for me, and my brain.
>>12655434BRICKS
>>12655423I don't like official levels myselftry speedmapping packs for a change
>>12655423I always say that I like Quake, but I never actually finished it. Don't know what it is, I really like the moment to moment gameplay, the 3D level design and gothic atmosphere are cool, but I always lose motivation at some point, and similar to you OP, I have beaten all the official ID DOOM WADS countless times, including Final Doom which I love. Quake is just really slow-paced.
>>12655596quake is only slow paced if you're bad at it
>>12655434Desaturated maybe, not strictly ‘brown’>>12655437Mostly the shotguns, even if they shoot faster than Doom’s as a compensation
>>12655714Yeah, I know speedrunners can blast through it, they make it look fantastic, and it's cool that it invented grenade and rocket jumping. Quake speedruns look way cooler and more acrobatic than Doom runs, but the learning curve with the level design and general movement is steep.
>>12655423You have to aim in Quake, which is annoying.
>>12655745>general movement is steep.Strafe jumping is the easiest thing in the world and once you start using it the game becomes way more fun. Also helps for custom maps where some encounters are clearly made for it in mind.
>>12655423Looking up and down fucking sucks
>>12655809play Blake Stone.
>>12655745you don't even have to be a speedrunner lolit's not a show game unless you suck and you play scared like a bitch
>>12655443You fucking idiot lol take a break man
>>12655443>germanicA dumb one.
What's with all the retards shitting on this game lately? The last week especially:1.) brown: the game2.) sandy peterson sucks at maps3.) brown4.) when does it get fun?5.) how come doom this and quake that?6.) the game is brown like the color of my skin so I get mad when I look at itNone of you faggots have had a single original thought im your entire lives, you just repeat the dumb shit you read here ad infitum and never actually play the fucking game and form an opinion of your own. I could have not replied to this thread but I need to tell every "hater" to just shut the fuck up. I swear this is an ai algorithm, fishing for interactions. The game isn't perfect, but no game is. If you don't like Quake, you're just a faggot
>>12656035I like the game but it's brown
I like quake for the vibes. I play single-player only. Bunnyhopping is gay.
>>12656056>for the vibes.>>>/v/reddit
>>12656035I only ever played the shareware deno for quake and thrn went back to playing duke 3d and darknforces.Quake to me back then was a texhdemo without a good game attached, and I havent toiched it again in the 30 years since. It just wasnt good as a game, or at least its shareware distro wasnt good enough to make me pay to unlock it. No grand conspiracies or revisionist history at work, quake simply didnt get good until the 3rd game.
Back in the day people didn't really like the single player game. Guns were less appealing than Doom's, level design was not great, enemies had to make up for their limited number by being tanky and prone to chipping away at your health with annoying to dodge attacks. It wasn't bad, it just wasn't great.No, the game got famous because rocket spamming deathmatch was fun. Doom's multiplayer had its fans, but circle strafing 1v1 with shotguns wasn't a patch on 16 player free for alls with 3D environments and rockets. Also it was effectively the first action game that "solved" internet latency problems. This was back when 150ms of lag was considered "good", and predictive movement and rollback hadn't been invented yet. But people wanted to play online so much they put up with the lag and the crash prone TCP/IP hack. When QuakeWorld came out with its new netcode, nothing else could compete.
>>12655423OP, have you tried multiplayer? it's a lot more fun than playing singleplayer
>>12655423What exactly don't you like about Quake? It's the natural evolution of DꝎM.Since you made the comparison, is it that it isn't a Doom game? If the game was called something like "DꝎM 3" do you think you'd like it more?
>>12655775Yeah, but you're not gonna be doing all that on your first playthrough when you're still getting a feel for the levels and controls.>>12655927It's almost a cliche to criticize Quake for having bullet-spongy enemies, but it's a cliche because it's true. It's not even an inherently bad thing in my book, but taking down the average enemy in Quake takes longer than it does in Doom, and that's pretty much a fact, not an opinion. It is a more slow-paced game compared to Doom, at least for your first playthrough.I'm not even sure why you're being defensive; I'm not dunking on Quake, it's a classic. I'm just saying there's a learning curve to master the movement in Quake, which is not a slight on either the game or its playerbase, quite the contrary. I would love to git gud at this game, I just never really bothered to.
>>12656281>but taking down the average enemy in Quake takes longer than it does in Doom, and that's pretty much a fact, not an opinion.There's also a lot less enemies per map compared to what people got used to with Doom, especially these days for someone getting through Final Doom before trying Quake. I would not say it's slower paced, though, even if the enemies are beefier.
>>12656281>It's almost a cliche to criticize Quake for having bullet-spongy enemies, but it's a cliche because it's true.It's a cliche because people don't use grenades and nails enough.
>>12656341Sure, but Doom also has power weapons, more powerful than Quake. Nothing in Quake clears out an entire room as quickly as the BFG does in Doom. It's just a faster-paced game, at least strictly in terms of combat.
>>12655423No automap. Its that simple. Classic shooters are excrutiatingly boring and tiresome without an automap.
>>12656035>The game isn't perfect, but no game is. If you don't like Quake, you're just a faggotYoshi's Island is perfect, but yeah, Quake is a man's game.
>>12656035>6.) the game is brown like the color of my skin so I get mad when I look at itActually laughed out loud at this
>>12656396>Nothing in Quake clears out an entire room as quickly as the BFG does in Doom.Quad damage.
>>12656445Those are so situational though. I was talking about your arsenal that you always have on you. At that point, you might as well include crushers and telefragging, so Doom is still faster, since there's that one level in Master Levels where you kill like 30 cyberdemons with a crusher.
>>12656445>>12656396>Sure, but Doom also has power weapons, more powerful than Quake.It has just one more powerful weapon: The BFG. Explosive launchers, super nailgun, thunderbolt - these are powerful. It just doesn't have a BFG for better and worse.
>>12655423Just play fan campaigns like Arcane Dimensions, the base game is a product of its timeFor Arcane Dimensions you need the vkQuake source port (QuakeSpasm also works, but vkQuake is better)https://www.moddb.com/mods/arcane-dimensionshttps://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/releasesYou can use the data files from the Steam version or whateverThe main website for fan maps if you want more after Arcane Dimensions (and you will):https://www.quaddicted.com/
>>12656456>Those are so situational though.Yeah, but most of the time in Doom you're not running around with a BFG neither, unless it's a slaughtermap.
The best level was the secret one where gravity was lower than normal. It should have played into the multidimensional aspect more and presented you with even more bizarre situations, non-Euclidean doorways, and so forth. Having four variations of "spooky castle" or whatever just isn't quite enough, and neither is packing a bunch of explosive gooey pinballs into the final episode for the sake of making it stand out.
>>12656557>Having four variations of "spooky castle" or whatever just isn't quite enoughBut I love spooky castles.
>>12655423because you're a weak bitch.
>>12655920I will look into this thank you
is hard really the intended way to play or is it a blantant second run challenge mode? I know in the manual id treats it basically as heroic in halo or come get some in duke3d, uv in doom>real men play hardbut the early game seems to have that gratuitous and spammy feel that I'm leery of in higher difficulty modes.. like in level 2 where the end game climax is the intro of the fiend and they hit you over the head with two spawns, the second one being two at the same time. or in the third level necropolis the game randomly spawns two shamblers in a row in a random mid level ambush, besides immediately throwing two fiends at you again right at the start. I dislike when games have flat 100% all the time pacing.
>>12655437The SSG specificallyA point blank shot with all pellets hitting should deal 80 dmg, not 56
>>12656671>80 damage with that firing rateIt would have to shoot slower. There's mods that do this - Drake, Reliquary - and it feels fine. They'd go back to slower, chunkier shotguns with Quake 2 anyways, and they would also round out the enemy roster.
>>12655423You have to get the soundtrack working. It originally came on a separate CD so it isn't built into the game.
>>12656664I don't think there's any intended way to play, but yeah, hard in Quake is equivalent in difficulty to Doom's UV. I don't think it's anything too crazy outside of episode 4 and it's fine for a first time playthrough, but you should go for whatever difficulty you want.
>>12656671Quake turned the standard shotgun into a pistol that deal 24 damage IF all pellets connect.Twenty four.An FPS where a SHOTGUN can't kill ANY enemy in a single shot at point-blank.
>>12656664The base campaign is very easy on hard, compared to any fan map on normal, so idk what to say man. I'm not a tryhard, I can't really bhop consistently and don't play multiplayer. It's just basic positioning and ammo management. Maybe you don't play many first person shooters?
>>12656664No. Play on normal just like every other game. Only subhuman retards recommend playing a game on high difficulties your first time.It's larp. It's bullshit.
>>12657001The game is balanced for keyboard only, you should be able to easily stomp it on hard with modern WASD+mouse controls.
>>12657007Is it though? Doom 2 wasn't balanced for keyboard only, why would they go back with Quake?
>>12657016This is no longer a thing in the modern remaster, but the OG default controls were:>arrow keys for movement (tank controls)>page up/down for moving the camera up/down, end centers the camera>hold alt to strafe>ctrl is shoot, space is jumpMouse wasn't even in the settings, you had to type +mlook in the console to get it working
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>>12657046Oh, you mean mouse look up and down. I've been talking about using mouse with default scheme, for turning left and right. The game has aggressive vertical auto aim when you look straight anyway.Default control scheme in Quake are not that bad really: mouse for turning left and right, bracket keys for strafing, space for jumping, right mouse button to walk forward, middle mouse button when pressed acted as +mlook. Only walking backward is not comfortable.
>>12655423>Why don't I like Quake?only you can know. some people feel the other way around. it's a matter of taste and taste is subjective.
