Do people really like this over Ocarina of Time, do they really want it to be remade after Oot? Not even Aonuma likes this game, I don't see it happening. They would sooner do Wind Waker afterwards.
>>12681547Whenever I start replaying OoT, I get bored after an hour and put MM back in.
Do people really like things that I don’t like?
Yeah, always have. I didnt really like OoT when it was new, despite what the magazines said about it, and I much preferred this.
>>12681551Also no, I would never play a remake of this game.
>these 2 games that are very similar and made by the same people? YOU MUST LIKE ONE AND HATE THE OTHERModern internet is so boring and low IQ
>>12681562>mustdoesn't say that in OP.talk about low iq...
>>12681547If you like OoT but hate MM and vice versa you have rocks in your brain and are likely a schizophrenic who would be incapable of defending your opinions.
>>12681608I disagree because MM is definitely a departure structure-wise. It definitely took me multiple tries to really get into and finish it, although I never bothered to get all the masks. I can certainly understand someone who likes Ocarina being disappointed that the whole beginning of Majora forces you to play as a deku scrub.
>>12681547I really liked majora's mask over oot.I do not want to see it remade.The 3ds version is still solid, don't really see a need to redo it again.
>>12681617>I can certainly understand someone who likes Ocarina being disappointed that the whole beginning of Majora forces you to play as a deku scrub.so in mm you start the game as a pathetic scrub that fears dogs and in oot you start game as a pathetic scrub with no sword and no fairy. through your courage you solve problems and becomes a worthy hero in both games. mm sucks though and oot the GOAT!!!
>>12681606It's the attitude OP's promoting though.The concept of "liking over" and making threads revolving around that
>>12681547Imma be real with u all i really did not care for MM i just hate timers, I know theres a good game there but its like a nuh uh game design for me
>>12681658Same and I felt the mechanic of having to deposit and then withdrawal your shit in the bank tedious.
>>12681658>>12681670Invert song of time makes the time limit go from 2 hours to 6 in a single playthrough befire you have to save.Also, most of the times money is unecessary, once you get the goron mask you can roll around in Termina Field for 30 seconds and get all the basic consumables
>>12681547>They would sooner do Wind Waker afterwardsThe did wind waker beforewards
>>12681675Well, the point is Majora’s Mask doesn’t make the best first impression if you’re already averse to that stuff.
>>12681680Wii U Wind Waker is more of a remaster than a full on remake.
>>12681681The thing is, once you get it, you realize the time limit is necessary for the game to work.You go from bitch mode "omg time is scary" to chad mode "I am the god of time"
>>12681547Majora over Ocarina is a YouTube opinion that posers adopt because they think it makes them look cool.Majora is a triumph in many ways but it's just not that fun.
>>12681547It's one of those games that you can play and kind of enjoy but the only way to really love it is if you played and replayed it to death when it was first released. Similar situation with the Metroid Prime games.
>>12681703I think it's very fun, but I also think OoT works better for someone new to the games.Majora's Mask was made with people who had already played OoT in mind.
>>12681608You would never survive on /v/
>>12681691>you realize the time limit is necessary for the gamebut it's not, they literally use it to pad the content and the main gimmick is negating it left right and and sideways, the ending cinematic precludes that every instance of the cycle has merged together into the fourth day and time is proceeding normally, just a bizarre game of clashing themes all around
>>12681826You know just adding 'literally' to your posts don't make them true
>>12681868Nta but yes it does.
>>12681826>negating it left right and and sidewaysUh... What?Anyway, if you can keep playing with endless days, then the NPC schedules don't make any sense.What would be the point of Groundhog Day if the time loop wasn't happening?
It's objectively a bad game. Very small overworld, too few dungeons, tries to compensate by putting in a time limit to induce tension which disincentivizes exploration which is the whole point of the game.... then tries to pad out content by making the worst part of OOT, the item quest, the main priority of the whole game. Which just means you wander around brainlessly, wasting hours doing boring tasks and then eventually looking up how to get the mask in a guide. The day-night cycle over three days definitely doesn't help. It's also far too dark for a zelda game, given the primary audience is young children. This is on top of reusing old assets a second time, which means there are no surprises. MM would be remembered as unfun, too hard, and just a bad remix if the internet hadn't found a use for it as a lore barrel to scrape. I rewatched it recently on youtube and all I kept thinking was "you cannot possibly 100% this game without a help guide"
>>12681547OoT chads are unanimously vantawhite Aryan gigagods that enjoy derivatively charming medieval romps through interactive media taking place in quaint, pastoral environments. Majoragroids, on the other hand, are unanimously off-brown bisexual golems that like MM's Studio Ghibli tier story and think Zelda is best realized as a minimum wage simulator rather than the classical Robin Hood-esque high fantasy adventure that OoT embodies. I would like to mention that I have a bigger penis than you, I have had more sex than you, I am smarter than you, I am taller than you, I am more physically imposing and capable of defending myself than you, I am more educated than you, I have better taste in music than you, I am a better cook than you, I have fucked your wife more times than you have, and above all my opinions are correct and yours are not. No matter what you do, I have bested you. Let me state it plainly: Majora's Mask (or as I like to call it, Gayjora's Ass) is a shit game there is literally nothing you can do about it.
>>12681947kek, good bait anon
>>12681952no, that's really it. If you wanted to make it better you would mod out the time deadline. Very few people are going to waste their time on the complete mask hunt. It's an objectively short game
>>12681547I grew up playing Ocarina of Time, and I unironically prefer Majora's Mask after finally playing it in my 30s.It's just that good.
>>12681981I thought the whole joke of your post was that you ended up saying you watched thr game on youtube. You were being sincere?Anyway you can beat the game without a guide. For 100%, some masks can be though to figure out but not impossible especially since the game gives you resources in the form of the bombers notebook
>>12681712True, Prime 1 at least doesn't have fucked up time limits that pad the content.
>>12681931>if you can keep playing with endless days, then the NPC schedules don't make any sensebetter games have solved your conundrum
>>12681948>Oot stands fan of anything elsekek good joke
>>12681998I don't really trust your taste and judgement anyway, but you do you
>>12681990As a teenager I didn't beat the game without a guide. Honestly speaking, I didn't care enough to do the mask puzzles whatsoever. I disliked MM intensely, it constantly puts the player under time pressure and then they have to redo things all over again
>>12682008>constantly puts the player under time pressure and then they have to redo things all over againRead:>>12681675and>>12681691
>>12681691fucking thisyou conquer time itself instead of being a bitch who fears time limitsit's a feeling no other game can really give you, because most video game creatives have no balls
I know it’s technically optional, but requiring players to go back through the dungeons collecting stray fairies is just not up to normal Nintendo levels of polish and game design. There has to be a less tedious way to get upgrades.
>>12682016It really feels like when in Groundhog Day, Bill Murray realizes he is basically god and start using the timeloop in his favor.People who complain about the time limit never got past the initial panic
>>12682021>go backIf you fail to do it the first time.The game gives you the fairy mask to look for fairies on the temples, and you got 6 hours to complete a temple.Completing the Stone Tower temple and getting all the fairies on my first try, rushing to the great fairy fountain to get the reward while the ground was shaking because the moon was about to crash was memorable and adrenalinic as fuck
>>12682026Yeah, I know, but the fairy mask seems like kind of a concession from the devs that collectathon shit is innately sucky and tedious.
>>12682028>collecathonMade up vague term that started being used in non-retro times.>Any game where you collect things is a collectathonOk Pacman is a collectathon, doom is a collectathon...
>>12682035Dishonest post. You know exactly what I mean.
>>12682036No, I genuinely don't. That term is non-retro gibberish to me.Also you moved goalposts. Again, you don't "go back" to get the fairies, you can do it on your first try.
>>12682039Prior to getting the fairy mask or learning the reverse song of time, you can in theory collect them with the aid of a guide, yes. And again, calling bullshit. You know what I mean in this context.
>>12682046Prior to getting the fairy mask? It's the first mask you can get in the game.Come on anon.
>>12682053Yeah, only after Link goes back to human form. You’re forced to play in deku scrub form for the first portion.
>>12682054And like I said, the fact that the game offers up the fairy mask before the first temple feels like a bit of a concession from the devs that collecting stray fairies would otherwise get tedious very quickly.
>>12681547Aonuma is a faggot. I don't think he likes any Zelda game, but I digress. If there's a single cell in his body that's not retarded, he's doing Majora's Mask in the same style. To do otherwise would be like remastering A New Hope without doing The Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedu. It's not a standalone story. It's part of a trilogy (yes, trilogy, Twilight Princess is a continuation of the Hero of Time's story, even if he's not the main character).
>>12682073>Twilight Princess is a continuation of the Hero of Time's storyWind Waker is more of a direct sequel to OoT.
>>12682062Well, damned if they do and damned if they don't. The tool to find fairies is in the game, and again, you moved goalposts, your original claim was that players had to "go back" to temples, when it's possible to do it in one go, I sure did.Also, fairies aren't mandatory for beating the game.
>>12682080All I’m saying is I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that a few of the masks were added after initial playtesting when the realized how much more annoying the game would be without them.
>>12682082Uh... maybe? Anyway
I would've owned and played this game as a kid, if my dad weren't dating a brainwashed super-christian bitch who thought the boxart was too satanic.Fuck.
>>12682075Eh, yes and no. While it's true that Wind Waker happens after OoT as a consequence of the events in the Adult Timeline, you don't really gain anything from playing OoT first. It's just a vague legend from long ago. It doesn't matter too much.
>>12682095you could say.,.. it's a legend.. of zelda.....
>>12682086Your dad's a cunt for denying you video games so he could get some action and his girlfriend is probably going to Hell if there is such a place for making sex out of wedlock, but you gotta admit, it is kind of Satanic...
>>12682095Well, Wind Waker does reference the Hero of Time directly, plus Makar and Medli are direct descendants of the Sages from OoT.
>>12681547>Not even Aonuma likes thisHe has clearly proven he doesn't even like Zelda in general.
>>12682102Exactly! OoT was basically just a title drop in Wind Waker. The Hero of Winds has no relation to the Hero of Time. He's just some kid. None of the events of OoT TRULY matter. It could have easily happened after any other entry in the series just by changing a few lines of dialogue. On the other hand, the Hero of Twilight is literally the descendant of the Hero of Time and receives training to become his successor directly from the Hero of Time, which also concludes the Hero of Time's character arc by easing his regrets and allowing him to pass on.>>12682105Yeah, but you saw them, like, twice in the whole game. Honestly, I might be a little biased against WW.
Why do we need two Majora threads?>>12679795>>12679795>>12679795>>12679795
>>12682105>Makar and Medli are direct descendants of the Sages from OoTno they aren't. neither of the sages they're descended from were present in OoT
>>12682148It's not exactly clear if they are or aren't descended from OoT's sages. You might think that they aren't because there was no Earth or Wind sage in OoT, but there's no established lore that says a sage has to be of the same element as their ancestor.
>>12682073Aonuma knows what he's doing with Zelda, and I'm glad he's in charge.
>>12682349OK, Eiji, get off the internet and back to work, bud. All jokes aside, though, modern Zelda isn't bad. It just doesn't hit the same as what I grew up with, but I guess that's life. I like... whatever old Zelda was. Kids like the Mineshafts and whatnot.
>>12682370It hits very similar to pre-Ocarina of Time though, focus being on exploration again
just try and think of it as a rougelite
>>12682583>very similar to pre-Ocarina of Time thoughI don't remember the pre-Ocarina Zelda games feeling so empty and having copy-pasted dungeons everywhere
>>12682035>started being used in non-retro times. wrong. people were using it in the late 90s
>>12682115>the events of OoT dont matter>the descendant of the main character of OoT mattersyou are legitimately retarded
>>12682757Post proofProtip: there isn't
i love the atmosphere and music and all the visual effects, but the time resets annoyed me and actually forced me to do the Great Bay Temple twice.
>>12682727the NES games had copy-pasted shit. that was more due to technical limitations but can't say it hasn't been done before in the series
>>12682801The tiles were different colors in the dungeons at least, instead of looking literally identical.
>>12682798>finish stone tower temple>play song of time>forgot to return the fairies>have to collect all of the stone tower fairies again to get the great fairy's swordthe realization at first was painful, but it only took about 20 minutes to collect the fairies from the dungeon again
>>12682795>grr i'm just rightsure you are, anon
>>12682795BTFOTFO
>>12682850what about first use in the context of video games?
>>12683054>what about first use in the context of video games?What about those goalposts made you think they need to be moved?
>>12682035>Made up vague term that started being used in non-retro times.When were the "retro times"?Give me some exact dates.>>12683054Talk about moving the goal posts...
>>12682780They don't matter in WW. They DO matter in TP.
>>12683140Elaborate
>>12682148>>12682303Plus Wind Waker does depict the OoT sages in the castle. https://youtu.be/SxWc2ixB8uU?is=13lKV_u1DOoAnPQg
>>12683054
>>12683103>Give me some exact dates.1999 and beforeAnyway the claim was that "collectathon" was used in the 90s (and we're talking in the context of video games, funny guy >>12682850)
>>12683168see >>12683162
>>12683209>AI infoslopCome on anon you can do better
>>12683218cope. learn to handle being wrong with grace kiddo
>>12683247Haha, no but really find me a scan or link to EGM or any other magazine using "collectathon" in 1999 or before
>>12683250you only get one goalpost move per argument and I'm afraid you've already used it
>>12683287I haven't moved my goalpost:I'm still waiting for proof (a scan or a link) to "collectathon" being used in the 90s. An AI blurb saying "yeah EGM used it in 1996 bro!" and no link/scan isn't proof.
>>12683295original claim was that the word was made up in "non-retro times" and that claim was already btfo so you moved the goalposts. you got btfo again now you're moving it again to a very specific kind of evidence that nobody except you is autistic enough to bother tracking down because everybody knows youre just gonna move the goalposts again.you lost the argument.
>>12683142No.>LOL, JK.In the Adult Timeline, the Hero of Time fucked off back to the past. He no longer exists there. Other than the folks of Outset Island and the Deku Tree, no one in the Great Sea seems to remember the legend, and unless he had a one night stand off-screen, he has no descendants in that timeline. Regardless, the Hero of Winds is said to have no relation to the Hero of Time. There are no real references to any specific part of the Hero of Time's journey. The opening cutscene could have been about literally any other Link and it wouldn't have mattered.On the other hand, in the Child Timeline, there's much more you can assume about the Hero of Time's life. He continues where he left off before his adventure, now a man in a boy's body. He leaves the forest again at some point. He probably does the hero thing for a while, gets bored because there's no real threats left (although Majora's Mask happens at some point during this) and settles down, probably at Lon Lon. I'm not saying he married Malon, but if it was me in his shoes, I would have pinned her down and taken her CONSTANTLY, but I guess that's not relevant. The point is that his kids grow up, he fails to teach them any heroic lessons and he becomes a Stalfos out of regret, leading to the events of TP, in which a major part of the game involves the Hero of Twilight meeting up with the Hero of Time, trying to heal his soul through various songs, failing, then ultimately succeeding by being trained in swordsmanship so he can take his place as the hero of legend and utterly BTFOing Ganondorf FOR GOOD (at least in the current version of the timeline). Ganondorf does appear again in Four Sword Adventures, but that's a different incarnation. I guess you could say the Hero of Winds BTFOs Ganondorf, but it doesnt quite carry the same weight.Anyway, I'm running out of characters (I already went back and change some words so my rantings would fit) and it's around my bedtime. Later.
>>12683312Anon:>>12682757>late 90sThis was the claim, that it was used in the late 90s.So far, I've got 2 proofs:A non-video game related tongue-in-cheek reply:>>12682850And the AI blurb you posted which doesn't contain any links for proof:>>12683162Just to clarify, even though by non-retro I mean 2000 onwards, I wasn't even the one to set a time, it was the anon (maybe you?) who said "late 90s" that I quoted above. I didn't move a single goalpost, just still waiting for that late 90s mention of "collectathon" used in video game context.
>>12683336you are pretending that a response to the initial claim is the initial claim.your intellectual dishonesty is obvious and staggering.you lost the argument.
>>12683417Haha alright anon, I lost oh nooo!But if you can find me proof from 1999 or before, please post it ok?
>>12682035>>collecathon>Made up vague term that started being used in non-retro times.It was used in 2005 Electronic Gaming Monthly issue 191>And it's the game where Rare cemented its reputation as masters of the "collect-a-thon" style
>>12683454Yeha 2005 sounds about right, though I remember it started being used more on /v/ around late 00s and early 10s
>>12683460It may not be first, just the first I found with a quick searchThis isn't really a subject I'm investing more time to research lol, but there ya go
>>12683427you lost the argument.
>>12683465I started reading it around mid 00s so yeah 2005 sounds accurate.Maybe there is some people who used it in the 90s, but as far as I remember they were just called 3D platformers.
>>12683465it's not the first, I know for a fact my friends and I were using it to describe dk64 on release, in the general sense of "another collectathon like banjo kazooie" and we were like 10/11 so I know we weren't coming terms like that
>>12683478coining* terms, that is
>>12683427>1999 or before
>>12683478DK came out in 1999, I actually looked up, but couldn't find the term being used in any magazine or internet forum/web page.
>>12683486right, and we were already calling it a collect a thon like BK, so we definitely read it somewhere in 1999 at the latest
>>12683491I guess but it's anecdotal evidence.2005 sounds about right
>>12683495it's definitely not right but I guess you're desperate to feel like you're right and more interested in feelings than facts
>>12683510Proof of EGM using it in 2005 was posted, though.If anyone can find it being used before that, post it
>>12683514i'll just let you be wrong while feeling like you're right, that's way too much work to waste on someone so argumentative
>>12683516Anon it's not about being right or wrong, I'm just asking for earliest mention of the word "collectathon" within video game discourse, either professional (like magazine articles) or just regular people using it (forums, websites).We have archives of people discussing video games online innthe late 80s, so there's archive to look. I wasn't able to find "collectathon" there
DK isn't even a collectathon. I don't know what you'd call it, but it's like dying, thinking you're in collectathon heaven and finding out you're actually in collectathon hell.
>>12683519if it weren't about right or wrong you wouldnt care about proofdont act like everyone doesn't notice how you changed up your demeanor after you got called out for being a goalpost moving faggot
>>12683530Ok anon you win.But, if you can find any scan or link of the word being used in the late 90s, when games like Banjo and DK64 came out, it would be interesting to see.
>>12683528>DK isn't even a collectathonmost retarded post in the thread and brother that is saying something
>>12683547It's too much collecting to be a collectathon. There should be a new, stronger word.
>>12683553>too much collecting to be a collectathon.nigger you are retarded :)
>>12683557Be that as it may, I stand by what I said.
>>12683519earliest use i could find on usenet is from february 2001
>>12683168No, the claim was, to quote your own post>Made up vague term that started being used in non-retro times.
>>12683314>TimelineI can't read this tineline autism but I do appreciate you typing it.
>>12683586The Zelda timeline was thought up only because of fan speculation. It's completely retarded.
>>12683586I don't get TOO into the Timeline nonsense. I just make a distinction between the Adult and Child Timelines because WW is on one and TP is on another, and it makes a big difference for how much the games relate to OoT. It definitely gets retarded at times. Like, some games are clearly intended to be sequels, if not blatantly confirmed as such. Others are just kind of shoehorned in, and now BotW and TotK are trying to break free of the timeline, but the damage is already done and EoW went straight back to it.
>>12683662There is no timeline.Each game is separate, except Zelda 2 which is a direct numbered sequel.Common themes are coincidental.
>>12683683Wind Waker is clearly a direct sequel to Ocarina.
>>12683687Nah. It just references an older title.It's not a direct sequel
>>12683692No, the game directly references the Hero of Time specifically. Also >>12683150
>>12683705>No, the game directly references the Hero of Time specifically>>12683692>It just references an older title.That doesn't mean it's a direct sequel.
i got majoras mask when i was a kid for eating the spinster's pusy next door
>>12683712The Hero of Time is Link the character from Ocarina of Time, not the title. They’re specifically referencing that Link from OoT/MM.
>>12683719And? Like I said.>It just references an older title.That doesn't mean it's a direct sequel.
>>12683727No, because Wind Waker portrays Link from Ocarina of Time, meaning they’re taking place in the same continuity. The statue in Hyrule Castle was built in honor of that Link.
>>12683734It's just a reference to a previous title.Are you arguing that any and all references to previous titles, imply continuity between said titles?
>>12683739That’s more than a reference. The intro to Wind Waker tells you that it’s the same Link.
>>12683740>dodges the questionCute. Try again please.
>>12683745I’m unclear on why you accept that Zelda II is a direct sequel but not any of the other games. Majora’s Mask is a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time and Tears of the Kingdom is a direct sequel as well. It’s not exactly unprecedented. Wind Waker is definitely in the same continuity as OoT. Apparently so is Twilight Princess since the old ghost knight is supposed to be Link from OoT.
>>12683750I asked you a "yes" or "no" question.Your answer does not contain either word.
>>12683753>Are you arguing that any and all references to previous titles, imply continuity between said titles?No, but I am saying that Wind Waker’s intro makes it clear that it’s in the same continuity as Ocarina/Majora.
>>12683756I'll agree it seems to share some continuity. I don't agree that makes it a "direct sequel" like you're saying.
>>12683759I don’t understand the difference. If Wind Waker takes place in the same Hyrule (albeit one that’s been buried beneath the sea) as Ocarina of Time, then yeah, I think it’s fair to refer to it as a sequel. Are you saying it can’t be a sequel since you’re not playing as that same Link?
>>12683767Wind Waker follows OoT's continuity, but not directly. A major off-screen event (Hyrule's flooding after the Hero of Time left) happens between them. WW references OoT often, but those are references—not a continuous, immediate follow-up story.Zelda 2 is.
>>12683771Well, my point was that Wind Waker is taking place in the same continuity, just much later. The Ganondorf you fight at the end is the same one that Ocarina Link fought.
>>12683784>just much laterThen it's not a direct sequel
