Previous thread >>12680017>Try to keep things /vr/ related: Focus should be on 6th Gen Consoles and older. Slight off topic is fine so long as it's related to CRTs, such as later 16:9 models, HD models, etc. Systems with backwards compatibility are also safe territory, as are re-releases on newer hardware. PC CRTs are also welcome and appreciated.>Produce OC! Bust out your camera and take photos of your CRTs displaying all sorts of games, featuring all sorts of tubes, using all sorts of signals. Getting good shots can be hard, but if you take enough, at least a few will turn out alright.>Try and give as much information as possible when asking for info on a specific set, or troubleshooting an issue to expedite and help you may receive. As always, Google is your friend and we are your friends with benefits. Do people read this? Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either; Seriously, there's literally 6 years of backlog at this point.>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. Always remember to show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.Limited discussion of video processing and scaling devices is alright, but remember to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories.CRT Pastebin (Never Ever) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3xGuide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQGuide to Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZGeneral Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdfS-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7WBKM-10R Protocol Info : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33JJVC RGB card cloning guide : https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY
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>>12710870btw set your camera to 30 or 60fps so that you dont get noticeable rolling lines in crt photos.switching to ultrawide mode and zooming can also make it look a bit better.
>>12710880Thank you anon, good to know for the future
>>12710863Dump rescue anon here with another update. Picked up these two today. I was wondering why the silver Samsung was heavy as fuck for a 27". Turns out it's a 4:3 HD CRT. No HDMI or dvi, just component, which gives you lagless 480p and 1080i. Kinda cool. It's my first HD CRT. I need to get rid of some
>>12710863>AI slopping DonnaWhat a fucking moron.
>>12710863Nice controller handling.
>>12711021As if Donna is too sacred for AI>>12711261She's handing the controller to the anon. Yeah.. we'll go with that
>>12711281>She's handing the controller to the anon. Yeah.. we'll go with thatHmm.....Okie dokie!
Got me a CRT last weekend. This is Sonic Mega Collection, not a Genesis. I'll be getting a stand for it tomorrow.
>>12711325why are you naked
>>12711325Looks pretty good though you've got some waviness on the edges. You could increase the horizontal size to hide it if you don't want to replace capacitors.
>>12711349It does have a service menu where I could maybe adjust that, but I don't have a remote so I haven't tried to open it, I'm scared I'll break something. Fortunately for me, this TV switches inputs by looping around in the channel select. I was able to adjust the basic picture settings with the volume buttons, but I can't actually make the menu close without turning the TV off. I'm scared I'll break something if I go in the service menu in those conditions.
>>12711447Any universal remote will work, though you may as well get a Magnavox one. $11 shipped brand newhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/254724942924
>>12710863Why slop her? Is taking 5 minutes to make an edit lost technology?
How much would you pay for a working 13" TV VCR combo? Dude wants $60 but I was thinking like $20. Am I being unreasonable?
>>12711516Especially glaring for a character/artist who is autistic about all the details of the tech in an image.
>>12711551i paid $50 for one in great shape but that was a couple years ago. the sad truth is that $60 is probably a good price in a lot of areas right now with how much CRTs have been hoarded by the """hustlers""". though it's probably not impossible to find one cheaper, the fact that these units were often more cheaply made means finding ones in working order can be difficult, so it might be worth jumping on the opportunity if $60 isn't breaking the bank for you.
Is it normal for some CRTs to have their degaussing coils kick on when plugged in rather than hitting the power on button on the tv itself
>>1271155160 bucks sounds good especially if the VCR still works + has the remote. You're kinda low balling him a lot. Lowest I would go is maybe 40.
>>12711551I found this one on the curb 5 days ago. I paid $40 for a "tv stand" with wheels for it though.
>>12711624Hey, that's pretty nice. You don't see many of them with stereo sound.
if anyone is looking for a tv stand for a 13" here are the best options I found. I got the Vasagle. If the Gianna was a little bit taller and had a smaller topshelf footprint I would just got that because of how cheap it is, and if I wasn't a cheapskate I would have got the Techni Mobili.
>>12711632what? really?
>>12711620I have never heard of that happening. Maybe a failed relay or power switch.
>>12711661Yeah, all the time. Every one I run into is mono only. Back in the day though that's a different story but now it's hard to find one with Stereo.
Anyone running two graphics cards with a radeon for crt emudriver? I managed to get a cheap R7 250 and I already have a VGA2SCART box ready to go.
>>12711556Rule 63 Bill Gates loves AI and new technology.
>>12710863wondering if the pc crt i got is starting to die ive had it a few months its been like it since i got it and possible getting more frequent every few minutes the screen just like resets, the iamge goes thing then wide again i guess it flashes off briefly. anyone else seen this effore. i thoguht maybe its some anti burn in protection but i pressed the degauss buttons and it doesnt look like a degauss
>>12710863Dumb foid is holding the controller backwards lol
>>12712306no, shes offering it to you. its your turn to play. I bet you feel real stupid right now calling such a generous and thoughtful beauty a dumb foid, dont you
>>127108984:3 HD sets are super rare in my experience. I've never found one.
>>12712430I don't want to play crt_testpattern_03.
>Says he needs a CRT because of motion clarity and latency>Only plays primitive turn-based RPGs
>>12711715>for crt emudriver?explain yourself or be banished from these realms knave
>>12711325Finally got a stand for this bad boy. Is it normal for it to hurt your eyes looking at a bright CRT in the dark for over an hour? It's been over ten years since I've had one. I guess I should turn the brightness down.
>>12712573I don't know, but you should have brightness and contrast down to begin with. i always feel like 50 or less assuming a 1-100 scale. you'll get better mileage for one thing.
>>12712582Ah, I turned it up really high for the vibrant picture, but I'll turn both brightness and contrast if it's still hurting my eyes.
>>12712502>is a person you made up in your head to be mad at>possibly even yourself
>>12712586Yeah supposedly high contrast setting wears out the tube faster (not sure if brightness really does)Of course, all crt's are consumable and you should just enjoy it with best settings while you can, never know when it might get broken, or have components go bad that maybe you arent savvy enough to fix.
>>12712582Just go to a dark area in a game, like underground in smb1. Put brightness lower until the blacks seem truly black then stop it there, then go to a normal level ingame and raise contrast to whatever level is pleasing to you. I wouldn't go too high, it's harder on the tube and your eyes.
>>12711715I used to. It's honestly better to just use a mister or something. Emudriver is only good for watching rare anime torrents on crt
>>12712502Reminds me of that meme of people who buy $3000 pcs just to play old school runescape.
>>12712626I built a $2000 PC and I don’t even use it for gaming because I just wanna play retro consoles lol
>>12712502Fuck off back to your containment general Cris you subhuman toxotranny
>>12710898>Using a CRT not made in Japan
>>12712440Probably for good reason. 4:3 is a weird format to have HD in. There was a very small window in the GameCube/Xbox era where it would've been useful.Funny thing is I watched a RetroTech video where he reviewed a model on the same chassis, then found the TV a few days laterhttps://youtu.be/ZTaXXOvlA_Y
>>12712735>Jap crap instead of made in Germany, Belgium, France or UK Philips chad.
>>12713149Based
>>12712735Isn't buying a shipped CRT like a huge no no?
>>12713147it was because TVs were for watching TV so people wanted them shaped like TV
>>12713179It's doable for 13 inches or below but it still carries some risk if the seller doesn't pack right plus it's more expensive.
>>12713556where do you get yours from? i hear zen market is what some folk do. Im in the market for a small one now.
>>12713147I think I had that tv. I had a 32" samsung that did 480p. I bought it because I wanted to watch dvds in progressive.in my early 20's I carried that fucker up the stairs to my bedroom myself
>>12713179I bought a sony gdm-fw900 in 2006 from a recycling/refurb center across the country and they packed it in spray foam.
How much should I expect to pay for a 13" PVM locally?
>>12712281Failing component(s) inside for sure. Time for troubleshooting and maintenance. Don't keep using it otherwise you will make it worse.
>>12714271700 dollars or more.
>>12714309give me a real answer please
Here's my crt. This is an old picture at my old house. It's currently sitting in on the floor in a spare room. Need someone to help me move it and put it on a table. It's a huge 32 inch toshiba I got for free. Kinda wish I got something smaller but it looks nice.
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>>12714327That is a real answer. Go look for yourself.
>>12713568I've gotten a few 10-13 inchers on ebay over the years and have had no problems, just cost markup by like 50ish bucks usually. I still have two I got on there to this day and they're great. FB marketplace is probably best but whether it's good or bad depends on your area. I was in the midwest and crts on FB there were plentiful and modestly priced. Now where I'm at it sucks for crts from what I've seen. So yea just lurk fb marketplace. I've gotten and sold many on there
>>12714271Pvms are overrated as shit don't even bother. Most have burn in and like 80,000 hours on them. The ones that don't are hoarded by redditors and neckbeards and they cost way too much for what they are. I hate the way they look.
>>12714283how do i go about diagnosing it
>>12714271>>12714473jvc / panasonic broadcast monitors look way better than sonys and are usually in decent condition at okay prices. below are all the same model in 13 inch / 20 inchjvc bm-h1400jvc bm-h1300supanaosnic bt-h1390jvc bm-h2000panasonic bt-m2090panasonic bt-m1950
>>12714563Intermittent issues like that are poor solder connections or failing capacitors most of the time. It probably won't be anything obvious when you open up the monitor.It sounded like you're describing vertical or horizontal collapse but hard to be sure without video. What I do is download the service manual, feed it into an AI chatbot, and describe what's going on. It will at least give you ideas on where to look. I'm not a pro but I've repaired several crts on a component level this way. Usually it's something stupid like a solder joint, failed capacitor, resistor, diode, transistor, or IC.
>>12714638unfortunately there is no service manual for my monitor or any documentation about it anywhere online ive searched coutnless times, even tried asking claude to search it found nothingformac pronitron 17/330, guess i can open it and look for cracked joints or leaky / bulged caps though
>>12714656Odds are it's a rebadged monitor, or at least the chassis is similar enough the more well known brand. Look for a chassis number or start searching for who originally made the tube and go from there.
>>12713147>>12714149I looked into. I had the EDTV version which I just learned is the same tv just with 1080i disabled in the service menu, which you can enable. fuck. if I had known that back then I would have never gotten rid of it probably.
>>12715114We all tossed our CRTs unfortunately.What you're really after is 480p on those EDTVs anyway since they don't do 720p. Perfect GameCube, Wii, Xbox, ps2 480p tv. It probably did lagless 240p/480i over composite and s-video too. You can probably find one, they're not desirable compared to widescreen models.
>>12710898Nice find! That Samsung is beauty. What's the first thing you're playing on it?
>>12712625I spent yesterday evening setting it all up and I think I'll agree in the end. It sounds so enticing, but in reality it's just endless fucking around with resolutions in arcadeOSD and the TV service menu.
>>12715589And using it with Retroarch crt switchres can get pretty tedious. Once optimized I think it's better than using shaders on a flat panel but Fuck. I feel like I spent dozens of hours over time messing with stupid bullshit, it was almost a hobby in and of itself. Plus windows test mode is always making strange things happen and shit like slower boot times and other anomalies, and sometimes emudriver just refuses to install. Whole thing can be a pain. Again, it's like, mister outputs perfect analog signal and sync and just fking works 99% of the time no matter what you're doing. With what you said about service menu, I mean, I still do that, emudriver or not. Different devices are just set to output slightly different dimensions and in the case of emudriver, different signal transcoders do too. It's just crt shit, best write settings down and change picture positioning depending on what you're doing
>>12714567I owned a jvc pvm and the mask definitely looked somewhat better to me than the trinitron I had. You're right. Still prefer a consumer set any day of the week though.
>>12715481Not sure yet but I'll connect a spare Wii (for Gamecube games) and RGH3 Xbox 360. Plenty of 4:3 480p titles between those two.
>>12715913halo 1 supports 480p but not widescreen, unlike halo 2 which has both
To the guy who told me it would be $700 starting for a 13" PVM, I just picked one up for $300, not gonna unpack it tonight will do that later this week and post it but was it really supposed to be $700+? I really find that hard to believe.
>>12715976>I just picked one up for $300, not gonna unpack it tonightYeah because you didn't fucking pick one up. Dumb frogposter.
>>12715749guess its mostly personal preference lol, i like having support for svideo, component and composite, i did have a consumer unit previously it looks okay but was composite only. mine looks great with new and old stuff i play lots of mondern games on it also
damn speaking of these i jsut moved house so finally have space for a 20 inch. last year there were a bunch of these for about 300 gbp. i hate scalpers so much bros
I got a component cable for my Wii to use on an old HDTV and also to play gamecube on. I turned on the progressive scan mode, but I can't tell if it matters when selecting TV ratio on Wii settings if it should be on standard or widescreen. Or does that not matter for gamecube as it just adjusts the ratio itself? Are those TV ratio settings on Wii only relevant for Wii games?This is how the game looks on the TV.
>>12715976PVMs were made from the 1970s to the early 2000s. There is no one single PVM price. It's like asking the price for a car with no details given. And yes, newer PVMs like the M and L series can easily go for $700+.
>>12716408>Are those TV ratio settings on Wii only relevant for Wii games?Yes. Gamecube games that supported widescreen or 480p had their own internal options that turned them on. If you look up the list of gamecube games with widescreen support it's a really small list. Unlike wii where it was standard.
>>12716402>i like having support for svideo, component and compositethat's just as common on consumer TVs. There's also pro monitors that are composite only.
>>12716408Your webm looks terrible. Wii does fake widescreen. It squishes the picture then lets your tv stretch is back out. In Nintendont you may have to enable force 480P/progressive scan.what does old HDTV mean? Is it a CRT or some rear projection crap?
>>12716407They aren't real prices, nobody is paying them. Just keep an eye out for something coming up for free or sub £100 and be quick when it does.
Retarded question im sure, but are the ports on the back of a pvm universal? Like those little weird ass din connectors or whatever they are called on the back of them, if i get one of those adapters to plug in a composite cable, will those same ports/adapters also allow you to get rgb/component signal through them with the respective cables? Or do i need to look for an rgb cable that directly would plug into those DIN ports, and likewise if i had to use an adapter on an rgb cable to do so, would there be signal quality loss due to needing that extra piece between the monitor and cable?
>>12716718Are you talking about a S-Video port?
>>12716718BNC connectors are what they're called. It's just a different way to connect to the monitor, it can't magically process a type of input the PVM doesnt support.
>>12716739So are they always rgb supporting then if i have a rgb cable that plugs directly into them? Because i also see people using little port adapters plugged into those that lets them just run a basic composite cable signal to them. Or do not all pvm monitors support rgb?
>>12711906green phosphor just makes me think of that guy who cums on his CRT with a gay green face on it
How bad is my geometry. This is using the wii's 240p suite. It's also annoying that different consoles will all display slightly different geometries.
>>12716747Not all monitors support rgb input. In general you can use passive adapters no problem. They don't degrade the signal.
>>12716780When you take photos set your camera manually to 30 or 60fps. It's hard to look at pics with those big rolling lines.Geometry is not great but could be worse. The image is tilted and underscanned. Check if you have tilt correction in the user menu. Otherwise the yoke needs to be rotated. Adjust the overscan in the service menu.
>>12716780looks good. you should increase the horizontal size a little bit until the red dots are touching the edge directly like on the top and bottom
>>12716879Thanks, I'll see if I can adjust the tilt. >>12716928It's been a while since I adjusted things, but for some reason I remember doing this in the past and it ended up messing up the aspect ratio. I think the scope view showed something looked stretched or something. It's also entirely possible I misinterpreted something in the past. Rambling aside, is it sufficient to have the dots on the edge of the screen both vertically and horizontally to ensure I have the correct aspect ratio?
>>12717008You want the squares in the 240p test suite grid to be square. Just eyeball it. Here is my kv20fs120
what are y’all enjoying today?almost done with this one. might do another run on hard mode.
>>12717068help mine are all circles. what do?
>>12716718The back of a pvm will tell you what ports are on it. If a trinitron has rgb, there will be an r next to the r port, g for green port and so on. They always have a composite connection too. Sometimes s-video. You can look one up on ebay or something and see the ports for yourself. And the BNC connectors are just connectors, little pieces of metal. You can put a regular composite cable into them once that piece of metal is on it. Frequently RGB cables are pre-fitted with these connectors and can't be separated from the cable. You put them on and slide the little switch thingy to make them connect and stay connected.>>12716407It's also ebay. Prices are inflated because of shipping. It's not necessarily scalpers as much as it is hoarders inflating the prices of these things because they created scarcity. Like half of the people into pvms have like 10 of them. They started hoarding them like 15 years ago when they were very affordable and plentiful.
>>12710863>Try to keep things /vr/ relatedNo. Keep things /vr/ or get banned.
!!!BARGAIN ALERT!!!tv with built in nes2859142127784721
>>12717994I'd offer him $1,800 just to see what he says, I wouldn't actually pay though.
>>12717994Really glad i got mine for 150 maybe 15 years ago. Wish it had more inputs though besides RF and stereo.
Anyone see this with the M64 launch?I wonder if it works for everything
>>12718161yeah actually that would be cool if it did. Analogue really dropped the ball on the DAC. I’d like to pick one of these up if it works with other consoles, ironically Analogues other consoles.
>>12717008its fine without adjusting it. i was just saying to line the dots up as a way to make it perfectly even squares.
>>12717870found the faggot hall monitor who reports everyone
>>12710863The ever elusive, Brazil-exclusive, Mega Drive with Dreamcast-cabled, 4-button, pre-saturn pad with prototype Saturn D-Pad. This image is like a waifu fever dream, of that scamming orange lambo South American scumbag with that vaporware Sega all-in-one FPGA-console scam.
>>12717613I've been meaning to play that on hard mode but I keep putting it off because it is unironically filtering me st the beginning when escaping SA-X
>>12711516yes, people have gotten that lazy
