>/vr/ actually believe that jumping is required to defeat enemies in Zelda IIThe jump attacks are literally there for low skilled players/young children. Every enemy in game can be defeated with standard low and high strikes if you have the skill.
I'm not in the mood. Fuck off.
>>12778992There is a mandatory boss that requires the jump attack, you secondary know-nothing.
>>12778992It's no different than using down-stab once you get it, which is pretty early on. Becoming efficient with your movement and skills is key to mastering the game, and makes it very enjoyable to play. You master the controls, you beat the game. The end. Thread's over.
>>12779008>>12779019Neither of you beat the game. All bosses can be defeated by standard striking and blocking.
>>12779070Show me official proof that they didn't beat the game.
>>12778992I used jump attacks to beat Zelda II (I did not beat the game) but I guess it just shows how well designed the game is. Naturally this also means that if you used any of the magic or heart containers you also did not beat the game.
>>12779081If you use the babby easy mode you didn't beat the game, simple as. They by their own admission did just that.
>>12779098No, magic and heart containers still constitutes beating the game as those are seperate game systems to the combat. Stop making things up. Only using the built in easy mode for young players constitutes not beating the game .
If you used a controller you didn't beat it.Only scrubs use a controller. Real players use a power glove
>>12778992If you used any strategy that gave you any advantage whatsoever, you didn't beat the game. I'd even go so far as to say that unless you lost the game and gave up entirely, you didn't beat the game.
If you leveled up your weapon, you didn't beat the game
>Got the hammer from Death MountainDid not beat the game
>>12778992Yes, everyone should know how to beat the game using the intended play mechanics for high level players. That involves having a standing defense against enemy attacks, moving your shield up and down as you crouch. In the meantime, when the moment is right, you strike with your sword when you get a chance.The combat in Zelda 2 is actually quite exceptional if you play like this. It's somewhat rhythm-based, as you should be in defensive mode most of the time, but then break defense to attack moments after the enemy does (while the enemy attacks are random, they will not typcially occur within .5s after a prior attack, so you have a small window of safety to break defense). This means you must time your attacks. It's quite deep, and reflects the 14th Century Italian tradition of "measure and tempo" in sword fighting.Most players will button mash and jump around though, and will experience total failure. If you mash, you will just get hit by the next enemy attack and if you use jumping attack exploits you didn't beat the game (or at least you beat it on easy mode). It's about timing.
>>>/trash/
>>12779358Definitely agree. The sword play in it is some of the best in the console. Faxandu and Battle of Olympus also have excellent swordplay like this.
>>12779101>If you use the babby easy mode you didn't beat the game, simple asAccording to what official source?
>>12779448Interview with Miyamoto from 1987:Famitsu: >Link no Bōken introduces a lot of precise swordplay, particularly the high and low guards alongside the downward and upward thrusts. How did the team balance these mechanics?Shigeru Miyamoto:>"When we transitioned to the side-scrolling perspective, our primary focus was creating a sense of tension in one-on-one sword fights.>The core design of the game is actually built entirely around reading your opponent - standing high, ducking low, and using your shield to control distance. For skilled players, every single enemy in the game can be systematically outmaneuvered and defeated completely on the ground without ever leaving your feet. Blocking, ducking, and counter-striking represents the true, fundamental design philosophy we intended.>However, during playtesting, we realized that younger players and beginners may be frustrated by the strict timing of ground combat, which can be quite punishing. To accommodate them, we introduced aerial mechanics like the downward jump thrust. The jump attacks were essentially designed as a panic option or a bypass for younger players who might not yet have mastered the precision required for ground combat. It allows them to leap over defenses and deal damage safely. But for players who really want to master the game, the true satisfaction comes from standing your ground."
>>12779070>All bosses can be defeated by standard striking and blocking.This.They probably didn't even play the game either.
>>12779448>>12779507Kek cooked his ass good
>>12778992Then post a vid of you doing exactly that right now or fuck off with your too hardcore for you bullshit.
>>12779642You sound upset. Shigeru Miyamoto himself said it was the intended way for skilled players to play. I'm not filming my TV and making a webm for you. I don't emulate.
>>12779507Source of the interview?
>>12779674He made it up.
>>12779674Famitsu, it says it in the post.
>>12779674ChatGPT, maybe Claude
If you beat the game you didn't beat the game.
>>12779674Famitsu February 1987
>>12779681>>12779507>>12779694Neither issue 16 nor 17 (both issues from that month, both on archive) have an interview regarding Zelda 2, only walkthroughseven assuming that the interview is real, he's referring to the downward thrust, not to the fact that you can attack while jumping, which are two different things. Attacking while jumping is an extension of reading the opponent and attacking high when his shield is low. Also, the in the late game there are combats that take place in corridors with low ceilings precisely to avoid doing that, which is an acknowledgement of the mechanic (rather than it being something 'unintended' like OP claims, as if the devs didn't realize you could attack when jumping) and purposely forcing combat without jumps to up the difficulty in the late game.
>>12779710He never mentions jumping in the description of standing on the ground and fighting, ducking and standing to block strikes. You can cope if you like but it comes down to this basically uh you didn't beat the game.
>he used his eyes you didn't beat the game
>>12779714He never mentions it because the interview is fake to begin with.
>>12779751Prove that it's fake.
>>12779101This
>>12779507If you could get all of the text, why didn't you get the link? Go back in your history and get a link.
>>12779814>goo goo gaa gaa spoon feed me more
>>12779507Post the page or you made this shit up
>>12779507>"every single enemy in the game can be systematically outmaneuvered and defeated completely on the ground without ever leaving your feet.">actually play the game>sword goes right through vulnerable, unshielded upper half of enemy>*tink*>no damageYeah, nah. I can see why people do the jump attacks. They work every time.>>12779645>Shigeru Miyamoto himself said it was the intended way for skilled players to play.Shigeru Miyamoto also said Princess Peach couldn't have been playable in Super Mario Wii because "they couldn't get the physics on her dress right". He's always been full of shit. It's pretty common across all Japanese game devs, really. They just say whatever bullshit makes them feel better about their shortcomings.
>>12778992I can do whatever I want FUCK YOU!!! I can jump around all I want and get to the ending screen. You don’t make the rules asshole they programmed them a long time ago. I can use jump stabs at every opportunity if I want and still beat the game. I can play Zelda 2 with an NES Advantage Arcade stick on your mom’s back while I’m fucking her in the ass. I can play it with a power glove while she sucks my balls. And I’ll nut in her eye every time I do a jump attack. Fuck you!
>>12779789The fact that searching for it online redirects to this exact thread.
>>12779789not how it works OP. burden of proof is on you. now give the actual source or we're going to continue to laugh at you for being so buttblasted over a game mechanic that you painstakingly recreated an interview in miyamoto's voice in an attempt to shit on it.
>>12780176UNFATHOMABLY BASED, YOU BODIED THAT FREAK
>>12779728fake
>>12780896cope
>>12780190It's not posted anywhere online, but the interview is real.
this board is so fucking shit now, man
>>12782375>>12779789>>12780094>>12779694>>12779507No trolling outside of /b/.
>>12782423it really is. the tranny jannies will delete anything they don't like while keeping all the obvious flamebait trash
>>12782782>NOOOOOOOOOOO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEETHE ABOUT NINTENDO ALL I WANT YOU TRANNY JANNIES
>>12782914They keep all the nintendo flamebait garbage, you tranny janny wannabe
>>12779692if you listened to your heart, then you beat the game
>>12779814( •_•)>□-□ I guess after all, he couldn't get a link...(□_□)...to the past
>>12779621I've never even heard of the game. Or Zelda. Or Nes. Or Nintendo. Wait, what's a video game?
>>12783374>what's a video gameit's something they don't make anymore, lad. not like they used to>>12783358>*teenage wasteland starts playing*
>>12778992People play Zelda 2? Like unironically?
>>12779202I love the power glove, it's so bad.
If you pressed the jump button you didn't beat the game
>>12779710>lying on the internet>>12779000that's what she said>michaelscott.jpg
>>12779358When you put it like that, it sounds like you're describing a defensive character from a traditional 2D fighting game.
>>12788156Nah, most defensive characters still chuck a little offence themselves, otherwise the opponent would attain a life lead and camp in the corner all round, winning by time-out.That's not comparable to doing nothing but counter-attacking in Zelda II.
>>12778992>this mechanic/move the developers added to the game as a tool to beat it? yeah actually if you used you were cheating and you didn't beat it legit
I fucking hate the blue knights, they are such cocksucking faggots. Stop running away from me
>>12778992If you used full button presses in Mario 64 you didn't beat the game
I used to listen to Duane & Brando's Zelda 2 rap nonstop
>>12778992I don't believe this for a fucking second. This game's combat is completely broken and requires you spam this glitched jumping-landing attack in order to actually do damage.
>>12778992>there are only two buttons but you can't use one of themOP is, as always, a retarded faggot, and anyone who replied to this bait needs to slit their own wrists.
