>decide to try out pic related to see what the hubbub is about>boring generic "we're being invaded" story>graphics drenched in shit and piss>incredibly sluggish movement/gunplay despite being 30 fpse>braindead AI that will take a couple shots and then just stare at you>lasted 2 missions before i got bored and quitand this was supposed to be the best FPS on the PS2. grim.
Post Halo console FPS games are really shitty.
>>12828339Your lossI liked. The bros also liked itCountless afternoons splitscreen action with the bros back then
>>12828354was that before or after you gave each other brojobs?
>>12828339I liked this game. It reminds me of BLACK
>>12828339Thats a shame because I always thought Killzones strongest point was its atmosphere. I'll play fucking anything but I can admit that games from that era did feel weird to play.
>>12828339>decide to try out pic related to see what the hubbub is aboutWhat hubbub? Because even at the time it didn't have a great reputation.
>>12828339>supposed to be the best FPS on the PS2No.
>>12828429not the best but it is mentioned among Red Faction, Timesplitters and Black.
It was basically just a ww2 shooter with future scifi. And that's ok.
I never heard anything about Killzone until the rollout for Killzone 2 startedThen I played that game and thought it was meh, now that's a game where the reaction at the time was OHHH KILLZONE 2 GOTY GOTY but I never understood that. Got to the part where I had to use the Six Axis for the first time and determined it was shit.
>>12828339>boring generic "we're being invaded" storyYou really want to look up what's actually going on in the story, Anon. You might see it in a different light.
>>12828434It's not even mentioned as much as cold winter or urban chaos. Most people agree killzone only got good with the second game.
And you think anyone gives a shit why exactly?
Hook line and sinker
>Started playing Killzone today>"Wow it plays like halo but with cooler guns and less tanky enemies">allready halfway through the gameYou cannot claim to enjoy halo but dislike killzone.They play nearly identical, and killzone is a big upgrade to halo in many ways in gameplay
>>12828552Killzone is such a piece of shit you can softlock yourself by being remotely intelligent. These enemies can be hit through this fence, if they don't make it into the stage proper then the level scripting breaks.
>>12828561i play the ps3 version with 60fps patch and had 0 issues
>>12828552>They play nearly identical, and killzone is a big upgrade to halo in many ways in gameplayLol.Lmao.You got me anon. Good bait.
>>12828567I am being fully serious.Halo has better music, but thats about itKillzone reminded me alot of reach so far>upgrades in gameplay includeNo enemies that are so tanky that they eat all your ammono annoying energy shieldsless sections where you get raped, killzone is fairer
>>12828339Console FPS went to shit after the N64PC FPS too to be honest
>>12828339The best FPS on PS2 are Urban Chaos Riot Response followed by Cold Winter.Killzone is in the lower tier alongside the likes of Darkwatch, only something like Goldeneye Rogue Agent is worse. I'd replay Mace Griffin or the PS2 port of NOLF any day over Killzone.The thing about Killzone is that it hits all the right notes that spoke to the "Mature Hardcore Gamers who play M rated games" young adult crowds of the mid to late 2000's. The tone, art direction, story, and the brain dead gameplay that's actually very casual for a FPS behind its "so hardcore!" look. But at least some levels look good technically speaking although it's heavily hindered by the "we're only allowed to use 1 colour per level because that's what passes for realism" art direction.
>>12828671What's your opinion on Black?
>>12828675I like Black a lot, I think the game is at its best when the levels are very open like the entire forest section. Being this open was very rare for a FPS especially in that era. It also has the coolest explosion effects I've ever in any video game period. But in the end the game suffers form lack of gameplay variety due to almost every enemy being basically the same, although that's a common flaw with post-Goldeneye 'realistic' shooters which only allow themselves to have human enemies. Still, even with only using human enemies some games manage to have more enemy variety.
>>12828339Hang yourself, you tasteless fuck
>>12828406This. It was very much hyped before the release which was the reason why everybody was disappointed when it dropped
>>12828671Killzone does a good job of depicting grandiose ultra structures and delivering an oppressive feeling in combat, enemy drop ships storm onto scenes and the sound of gunfire overpowers everything except the harsh voices of your attackers as they bark orders to execute you. The level of detail is also worth praise often looking remarkably well thought out and every inch considered by an artist.But it doesn't play very well. Some levels are kind of crap, I do not care for the swamps at all and the subsequent bunkered out dirt encampments. Some of the earlier front loaded gameplay sections are also pretty weak which doesn't leave a strong impression.
>>12828552>You cannot claim to enjoy halo but dislike killzone.>They play nearly identicalYou are an absolute retard. Killzone plays nothing like Halo
>>12828339It's not super gameplay focused. It is like a subversion of the standard hero narrative. You play the bad guys fighting the good guys AND WINNING. It's basically a nightmare scenario. Not really my thing but I can see what they were going for there
>>12828339Killzone was considered pretty mediocre even for the time. Killzone 2 was better but resistance kinda stole its thunder
>>12828339the helghast did nothing wrong
>>12828406I remember going to a trade show where Sony reps were hyping it up along with the PSP and nobody was that interested in it.The bad guys look cool but the actual game is one of the grayest on the console and like most PS2 FPS games it doesn't play that well.
>>12828671Urban chaos is dope but I've never heard of cold winter. Thanks for the Intel.
>>12828594n64 had no good fps
>>12830812goldeneyeperfect darkturok 2turok 3quake 2doom 64>inb4 "t-those don't count!"
>>12829371it does though>can ADS only zoom in so have to waste 100 shots on a single enemy>entire game consists of slowly advancing from corner to cornerenemies are annoyingly tanky all the time and it takes a full mag to tkae them out for the heavier enemiesThe only thing killzone lacks is instakill elites, and thank god for that
>>12828354Pretty awful video. Can you run in game or is that as fast as you can move? Also you're a terrible shot, my 6 year old girl is better than you.
>>12831016I don't even like the N64 but you sure showed that retard. Goldeneye kinda sucks going back to it now though.
>>12831163>Also you're a terrible shot, my 6 year old girl is better than you.That video you replied to has an IGN watermark, so it's just typical game journalist skill.
>>12831170>>12831163Holy BTFO
>>12831224BTFO? Because I didn't see a watermark? The video still sucks retard, it certainly wasn't worth the wasted bandwidth posting it or the space on the faggots device storing it.
>The video still sucks retard, it certainly wasn't worth the wasted bandwidth posting it or the space on the faggots device storing it.
>>12828354What's the point in playing shit like this when F.E.A.R. existsWhy even pick this over Halo
>>12828339Console onlies didn't know what a good fps was because they were all PC exclusive so they were amazed by garbage like this and Halo.
helghast are cool as fuck sadly we will never get a game playing as them purging the isa soi boys
>>12828339>best FPS on the PS2
>>12832385it is kind of odd how many complications they introduced into such a black and white dynamic. the helghast were colonial rebels literally being genocided by earth corpos. in a bioware game they'd be an optional party companion.
>>12832634killzone was actually pretty smart for what it was. the moral ambiguity was intended but it denies you the catharsis of an obvious 'we're the baddies, we need to be better' realization.
>>12828406Killzone 2 had that bullshit trailer that got everyone over hyped too.That was actually pretty good though.I picked up KZ3 recently and it just doesn't feel the same. Lost all its weight.
>>12832385>fagjaksthird worlder sharteen detected
>>12828339Mogged by Medal of Honor: Rising Sun. That's how sad it is
>>12831045>entire game consists of slowly advancing from corner to corner
>>12831045Just pick the woman. This gun is all you need.
>>12828339Pretty much. This game sucked ass. The PS2 was NOT for FPS games. It had a few titles but never a real Halo competitor. But that's a good thing, because Halo is gay and the PS2 offered a massively superior library overall. It was basically defined by it's adherence to building upon gen 5, not modern proto-slopware like the Xslop.
>>12832770FR and no cap. the MoH games one PS2 were actually very good and memorable.
>>12833110love this webm. has BTFO so many people claiming so much retarded shit about a game that they never played
>>12833110>grabs shotgun out of midair
>>12833225fine games but with terrible controls, controls worse than the psx games somehow.
>>12833228Having 1% HP left and almost dying because you're taking so much damage by not playing how the game wants you to isn't my definition of BTFO
I think the look of it is actually pretty nice. ps2 games with quality art production end up having a well blended painterly look that I think has aged well compared to the harshness of early seventh gen pbr and real time lighting.
>>12834103>Having 1% HPNah, that's plenty of health. Your actual underlying health is more durable than your shields.>not playing how the game wants you toNot only is this complete conjecture, it doesn't matter even if it weren't, because ultimately I am the one who chooses to press the buttons I press.
>>12834201>that's plenty of health. >it doesn't matter even if it weren'tIt matters because, hence the video filename, the entire point you're trying to make is "akkktssuaallly you don't need to take cover in Halo", taking cover being how the devs intended it. The fact that you lose almost all your health and end up with 1 HP is precisely the proof that the point you're trying to make doesn't work.
>>12834227Is Doom a cover shooter because you can die?
>>12834248Doom is not a cover shooter because you don't have to avoid combat to heal.
>>12833228>>12833110Even in your "peak halo gameplay" clip he loses half his health by not staying in cover and would have to play super carefully after those 10 seconds.I have actually played every single Bungie Halo on heroicIt plays very simillar to killzone in my opinion.On legendary Halo is just annyoing
>>12828339unplayable due to frame rate
>>12835036>what is 60fps patch on an emulator
>>12835063Hardware fags btfo
>>12835230For 3D games 100%60fps patches turn games playble
>>12834103>>12835017you didn't play the game
>>12834796>Doom is not a cover shooter because you don't have to avoid combat to heal.You can pick up health packs in the middle of combat in Halo though??
>>12836125That's only half of your health, and health packs themselves are rare.
>>12836214>That's only half of your healthWrong. Your underlying health is tougher than your shields. And what, do you play Doom as a cover shooter if you don't have full armor?
>>12836231>Wrong. Your underlying health is tougher than your shields.Nope, your health and shields are equal in CE. You have less health in later games. The only weapon that does more damage than health against a Spartan is the Plasma Rifle. The Plasma Pistol does equal damage to both.
>>12836247>Nope, your health and shields are equal in CEPlasma deals more damage to shields than health. Your enemies use Plasma weapons
>>12836272Only the plasma rifle does.
>>12834103>not playing how the game wantsahahahahahaha
>>12836231Doom was never designed for the player to run around circle strafing. This is why in Doom 2 the chaingunners or arch-vile have undodgeable attacks, the game wants you to take cover. This is the key difference with something like Duke Nukem 3D in which hitscan is dodgeable is you move fast enough, and this is also why doombabies hate and don't understand these enemies, because they want to force a playstyle onto the game that it wasn't thought for. If you look at the first Sigil episode, most of the levels are designed to be anti-circle strafing, he just had to do that to force players to play the way he sees Doom.But that doesn't make Doom a "cover shooter", that's like calling lightgun games "Doom-likes" and being a disingeneous faggot who pretends not to understand the meaning of words as a desperate attempt to make a point. Cover shooter refers to having mechanics specifically designed to entice the player to take cover such as a button to hide, to use a shield, or health/shield regen if you wait long enough.
>>12836685>Cover shooter refers to having mechanics specifically designed to entice the player to take coverWhy wasn't the player enticed to take cover in the webm then?
Oddly enough it was the PSP Killzone I enjoyed the most, even though I put enough hours into KZ3's online. Don't often get high production value overhead shooters at all.
>>12828339killzone is a rough go but I can mostly get past the unwieldiness to enjoy the novelty of a late gen ps2 AAA but killzone 2 is borderline unplayable. how was that thing not a disaster at launch, camera control made me quit after 5 minutes.
>>12836712He was, hence why he only has 1 HP left at the end.
>>12836791>He was, hence why he only has 1 HP left at the end.But he was engaged in combat the entire time. How can it be a cover shooter if you can be continuously under fire for 30 seconds?
>>12835619I played CE.Its a mid game, with very annoying sections
>>12837405>but I did have breakfast this morning
>>12837571That doesn't even work here????? What kind of cover shooter lets you remain continually under fire for 30 seconds on the hardest difficulty? Even fucking DOOM doesn't let you.And even then, the health bar only got that low because of a rare shotgun Flood.
>>12828354Is that a SPAS-12?
It has a helical bullpup with underbarrel shotgun. That alone makes it the best.
>>12837805This is even more retarded than people saying "WTF Resident Evil isn't survival horror, look at all this ammo!". Video game genres are defined by gameplay mechanics and your entire arguement is "this 30 secs video in which the player gets punished for ignoring the gameplay mechanics is proof that these mechanics don't exist!", like a glorified "if I close my eyes the monster is not there! Even if it's hitting me!"The best part in all that is that in some ways in that video you're playing exactly how the game wants its cover style shooting to be played, and it doesn't mean "camping behind a wall". The area is designed to loop around itself in multiple ways precisely so this fight is more dynamic than just sitting in one spot and the player is forced to run from cover to cover. Every time you remain in the open, the character is so slow that even with your desperate attemps to jump around like it accomplished anything, you get hit, because it's designed that way. When you see a horde of enemies in front of you at 12 secs and immediately run to the other side to grasp a couple of seconds of dead time and then proceed to turn around the staircase to stay behind cover, you're playing the cover shooting Halo wants you to play. At 23s when you run away avoiding the small round melee enemies to give yourself time to reload because there is nothing else you can do, you're playing the cover shooting the game wants to you to play, you're just doing it badly because you still get hit in the process and run straight to where the other enemies are left, getting yourself surrounded and hit more in the process.
any mission in halo where you're with marines incentivizes you to be agressive and kill as quickly as possible. if you turtle behind cover your squads will get wiped everytime.
>>12828339The best FPS on PS2 is and always was Return to Castle Wolfenstein.*drops mic*
>>12840546>this 30 secs video in which the player gets punished for ignoring the gameplay mechanicsHow did the player get punished? Just pick up a fucking health pack like you would in Doom. For every other room in the game where there aren't Shotgun Floods, the low health wouldn't have even happened; is Doom a fucking cover shooter because a Cyberdemon can wreck your shit in secon>the cover shooting Halo wants you to playThe only thing any game wants you to do is have fun. You control the buttons you press, and millions of people around the world enjoy Halo because they don't intentionally play it in a way they find unenjoyable, unlike insipid cunts like yourself.>you get hitLike in Doom? You've never once proven that the Master Chief is any more vulnerable than Doomguy.
>>12840691Health packs are pretty rare in Halo 1, especially in AOTCR/Two Betrayals.
>>12840693>Health packs are pretty rare in Halo 1Not really. You've never played Halo if you think being comfortably under fire for 30 seconds on the hardest difficulty makes it a cover shooter despite the same strategy being suicidal in Doom.
>>12840696In later levels, they absolutely are. Maybe if you played past the halfway point you'd know this.
>>12840707>Maybe if you played past the halfway pointI did, which is how I know that Flood forms holding a shotgun (which, may I remind you, is literally the ONLY thing your claim of Halo being a "cover shooter" rests on) are rare. For all your pretentious talk about how the game "wants to be played", the most obvious, insurmountable elephant in the room that you're too stupid to even think about is the fact that Legendary is not even the intended difficulty: Heroic is, where even a rare shotgun surprise wouldn't be nearly as dangerous—never mind that it was clearly tankable on the hardest difficulty with one's shields at 1/5 strength and one's health already depleted to 3 bars. You've still never once proven that the Master Chief is any more vulnerable than Doomguy, and you should address this if you don't want to be taken for a troll.
>>12840718>Legendary is not even the intended difficulty: Heroic isThat didn't start being a thing until Halo 3.By the way, here is the only health pack in this section of the map. In the room after the one in the webm, and AFTER the rockket flood hall.
>>12840721>That didn't start being a thing until Halo 3.You cannot be fucking serious. Do you think Legendary, which is literally called "impossible" in the game's scripts, was Halo CE's intended difficulty? Do you have anything to corroborate this claim?
>>12840737Do you have anything to corroborate the claim of Heroic being the intended difficulty?>b-but they said later...Doesn't count.
>>12840739>do you have any evidence?>and no, don't use actual explicit statements. I want a real answerAnd at the end of the day, you've still never once proven that the Master Chief is any more vulnerable than Doomguy. Well done for keeping my attention for this long, but you've proven yourself to be a troll.
>>12840742Why do you believe the statement applies retroactively? Halo wasn't even meant to be a trilogy.
>>12840691It's funny you try to pretend "it's all because of one enemy type", first of all, like this enemy type wasn't in the game, secondly this isn't even true because you get hit even by the low level giant fleas which can only hit close range melee.Secondly, you're still trying to pretend that this is all about difficulty or that the point is moot "if the player ignores the mechanics". As I said genre defining is based on facts, which are gameplay mechanics, and those mechanics exist (which is the "how the game wants you to play" part, which you try to turn around like this is a can ignore even though all games are defined by their rulesets, aka, how the game wants the player to play it). For example you want to ignore: the shield regen mechanic, which incentizes the player to pace himself and avoid combat in the middle of a fight; coupled with the low supplies of health packs which gives more important to the shield regen than the health pick ups, which all work together with the slow running speed of the character which makes it near impossible to not get hit by everything in the open (which your video demonstrates). The problem is that you don't know the difference between "I think this is bad cover shooter" and "this is not a cover shooter" (hence my comparison with people equally claiming "Resident Evil is not survival horror, look at all this ammo!", this is the exact same mindset of people who are trying to make claims regarding genres when they never even asked themselves how genre defining works). Trying to argue the later is just factually wrong, what you SHOULD be doing is arguing the former; but your video is also actually a good demonstration of how you'd be wrong about that too because it precisely demonstrates how much punishment the player rightfully recieves if he wants to ignore the mechanics, but I'm not going to repeat all the points you conveniently decide to ignore (such as pretending "it's only because of one enemy type").
>>12840753>As I said genre defining is based on facts, which are gameplay mechanics, and those mechanics existHalo is a cover shooter because it has a mechanic where insipid cunts can intentionally play the game in a way they dislike by you fleeing from battle to heal, but Doom isn't a cover shooter despite also having a mechanic where insipid cunts who intentionally play the game in a way they dislike can flee from battle to pick up health packs?Please explain how a game where you can't survive being out of cover for 30 seconds on the hardest difficulty (Doom) isn't a cover shooter, but a game where you can (Halo) is. There needs to be perfect logical reconciliation with zero fallacies, go:
>>12840757Halo is a cover shooter because its health system is designed around avoiding combat.Doom is not a cover shooter because its health system is designed around finding items on the map.
>>12840761>its health system is designed around avoiding combatThis is disproven by the fact you can clear an entire encounter on the hardest difficulty without avoiding combat. Try again.
>>12840770You cherrypicked one(1) example, and are sticking to it. What about the next area? You going to survive this entire section >>12840721 at 1 health and not avoiding combat?
>>12828339Killzone is a series that looks a whole lot cooler than it really is. They are constantly putting the Helghast in the marketing and box covers only to then force you to always play as ISA who suck massive balls. In my opinion I think this series got a bad direction right from the start. If they wanted a Halo killer Sony should have been ordering Guerilla to make a literal science fiction shooter that was about humanity fighting aliens. Just like what Halo was about. Instead they overthought this imo making Helghast the bad guys when they should have been the cool as fuck human faction you actually play as. So a very mishandled IP overall that should have had a wildly different direction. Although I had a ton of fun with KZ2 and KZ3 anyway. Also if you were playing the PS2 version and not the remaster I highly doubt it was a stable 30fps throughout. I remember that game having such abysmal control and framerate. I lasted I think only 1 mission before dismissing it as a trash mediocre game. I would like to go back one day to play it but I doubt it would leave a better impression on me.
>>12828375Black played way better than Killzone. In fact if Killzone played like Black it would have been far better received as a game.
>>12841792What did you think of Advent Rising?
>>12841792I agree 100%https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNAnplKWNrcIf you watch the opening cinematic, everything seems much more interesting from the Helghast perspective.The game would be much better if the were the protagonist, fighting against an invading alien race, while keeping the dark, dystopian and somewhat nazi aspect of the Helghast faction, not a generic american themed army vs le evil people.
>>12841805I never played the game or seen any walkthroughs of it. I only vaguely remember it but it never caught my interest much back in the day. I remember it today mostly for the $1 million prize and also the fact Tommy Tallarico was attached to the game. Which is very hilarious in hindsight considering everything we now know about that grifting never was.
>>12840772>You cherrypickedI didn't, you're just bad at the game and using the false argument that Legendary is the intended difficulty anyway.
>>12842002You did, because you can't show what happened after that fight.
>>12828339My hype for Killzone evaporated when I realized you arent playing as the notJinRoh guysAlso not retro but Resistance should've lived instead of Killzone
>>12842096Killzone didn't live either bro
>>12828339Killzone didn't get "good" until Killzone 2, and even then it was kind of mediocre.
>>12828552Halo has wide open levels with multiple objectives.Killzone has linear scripted missions.Halo has enemies that use evasive tactics and varying reactions based on enemy types.Killzone enemies have minimal intelligence and are just barely a step above static turrets.Halo has vehicles.Killzone has zero vehicles.Halo has varied level design ranging across multiple biomes with both claustrophobic interiors and wide open outside areas.Killzone has nothing but urban corridors.Halo has combat that can change based on your own strategy and weapon choice.Killzone's combat never changes. I don't even think the AI can throw grenades.They play nothing alike.
