Do you plan on using AI to retro-fit (no pun intended) older games, to make dream games you think should've been made, or to finish unfinished projects that were leaked, or to simply mod older games?To what degree do you think AI will be accepted within the retro gaming hobby? Strictly using it as an easy/cheap/fast way of setting up and booting titles on modern machines, or completely remastering the game with AI?
>>12873554No.
>>12873554Yes
>>12873554All I want is a PC port of Project Gotham Racing on Xbox.Maybe I should find a jeet-for-hire or something
Shut up curry slurper.
That manages to look worse than the original.>>12873554>Do you plan on using AI to retro-fit (no pun intended) older games, to make dream games you think should've been made, or to finish unfinished projectsI'm interested in trying to "make" 3 games.But I've never used AI, even ChatGPT, so I have no idea where to start. Zero knowledge in coding, too.Where would be good start?>To what degree do you think AI will be accepted within the retro gaming hobby?No idea nor do I care what people think.
>>12873554No. Fuck you.
>>12873632>have no idea where to start. Zero knowledge in coding, too.I'm in the exact same boat and would appreciate any advice. I'd first try modding old games before starting anything from scratch.
>>12873554no. i don't even make custom maps and edit mods of my fav games anymore. my backlog is too yuge.... and i keep replaying my favs. most mods suck anyway. hard to find the good ones.AI hackermen. pls put Splatterhouse characters in Alone in the Dark!>>12873632looks fine to me. OG AITD was early 3D graphics which always looked like crap to me. and combat that is worse than RE1!
>>12873554>Do you plan on using AINo.If a human didnt make it, I don't want to play it.
>>12873554>do you plan on being a massive faggot?Never
>>12873554It’s only somewhat usable for programming tasks. It’s dogshit for asset generation.I see no reason to not use it to build DLC stoke level packs, at the very least
>>12873554As an assitance tool yes, but i will DEFINITIVELY do the art, sprites assets, backgrounds and planning and gettin an actual coder aboard to clean that shit and a musician.
>>12873693x2
>>12873693I don't think people realize how boring art would be if its creation was at your leisure, shit would be incredibly dull.
>>12873585Why do you need a jitm (jeet-in-the-middle) to use AI?
>>12873554are all these threads being created by the same poojeet? a couple of years ago we had a similar issue in /ic/ where it soon became clear that it was always the same schizo because he kept repeating the same talking points. and at some point he started signing some posts, for some reason. I think he gave up. maybe he gets enough validation elsewhere because it's already clear artists are fucked. I used to think that at least retro games would be safe from slop. and now here we are
>>12873693So I take it you don't play roguelikes?
>>12873963>POOJEET>POOJEET>POOJET>GAYFind new material, schizo, you sound like a bot.
>>12873554>>>/trash/
>>12873554There are so many retro games I've yet to play, enough to last me the rest of my life, I don't need more. I'll be using AI to enhance my jerk-off sessions.
>>12874071Show me one comercially released rougelite that wasn't designed by a human.
>Decided to try one of the AI translations floating around because it was for a game I wanted to play but probably wouldn't get one otherwise.>A couple of days later.>Progressed quite a lot in it.>Some garbled text appears.>It bricks my save.>Not bothered to report it because I don't want to join their faggy Discord.Never again. I would rather try and learn Moonrunes for the fourth time.They probably won't find it even if it happened in a very 'regular' event within the game because AI translators don't playtest their projects and will move on from one to the next one to keep pumping out "finished" translations. The bubble can't pop soon enough.
Is every fucking thread on every fucking board going to be about AI psychosis from now on and forever?
>>12874073>t. bot
>>12874073don't shit on the street, rajeet. your problems are self inflictedthis advice is both literal and figurative btw
>>12874110Yup just like reddit psychosis and tranny psychosis before it.
>>12874131Nigger, the bots is what shats out these ai bait threads
>>12874073>When smith trains his bots so well it starts to victim blame.
>>12874083>wasn't designed by a humanAI games were designed by humans too. Roguelikes use procedural generation to create maps, enemy placement, item placement, even the character you play as.
>>12874073>this triggers the browns into spergingkek
>>12874109>The bubble can't pop soon enough.Yup, you tell em anon, I'm personally still waiting on the combustion engine bubble to pop so I can get back to riding my horse.
>>12874167>doesnt answer the question Cute.So you have no examples.
>>12874209>>>/pol/
Tranny janny ACKhually did something RIGHT for once.Still could do better, like pruning this awful thread for instance. We already have 10 AI engagement threads up anyway.
>>12874173The bubble popping isn't AI going away, it's the assumption of infinite growth ending, which has already happened in a million different industries, the dot com bubble burst but we're still on the internet.
>>12873554I played this game growing up and whatever the image OP posted is not it, and that looks terrible and stupid and gay.
>>12873963Welcome to the unusable internet. /vr will be flooded with this garbage while the jannies do nothing but ban the people who complain.
>>12874205>doesn't answer the questionI just did though, retard. It WAS designed by a human. It simply wasn't produced by a human.
>>12874530That's not what most people mean when they refer to an "AI bubble". They think that people are going to realize "it's useless" and abandon it, and everything will go back to the way it was 6 or 7 years ago. The reality is that we are never turning back the clock, and AI is going to be with us forever, like the Internet, or smart phones, or crypto-currency. The only thing you're going to see from an AI bubble popping is consolidation, not a reduction in prevalence. The internet is actually more ubiquitous now than it was in 2000.
>>12873554I'm more interested about making lua scripts to see things like hitboxes, enemies hp and things like that. I don't know if that's even feasible right now.
>>12873554I don't even make rom hacks so noI would probably play some if people make some I would likeI'm consumer not a producer
I was wanting to do my own mod of GTA SA for the PS2 replacing CJ with Pepsiman. debating whether i should learn how to import models into PS2 games or just have my boy Claude do it for me
>>12873554The only good application I think AI has in old-style games would be in paraer adventure games where you can have an AI compare a large dictionary of synonyms to whatever verb the player entered and infer connotation of them (so if you have an event for "knock on door" and "beat on door", you can have neutral synonyms for knock trigger the former and aggressive ones trigger the latter)
>>12874716fellow anon used ai to port zero into arua of Sorrow and it's awesomeCope
>>12874816Downnload where?
>>12873554I want official quality romhacks for 2d games on command, and first person vr mods for 3d games (and 60+ fps, 1080p, and modernized controls), all more or less available from a 3-5 sentence prompt.Maybe a front end like retroarch where you select your game, then have the option to prompt an LLM for a new mod, or choose from a list of favorite or community curated mods.It would be cool to click the donkey Kong country 2 banner on your modlist, write a prompt like “create a 3 world campaign with vanilla difficulty featuring a plains world, an ice world, and a desert world that culminates with a fight against K Rool inside a pyramid. Focus mostly on side scrolling levels, with no more than one vertical focused, mine cart, and swimming level”, click Start Game, and begin playing a bespoke romhack of dkc2 that is genuinely good.>inb4 that’ll never happen and if it does it’ll suckYeah, yeah, give it six months and we’ll see.I think there will definitely be a mountain of garbage along with some genuinely great stuff. The people that focus on the negatives conveniently forget that the ratio of slop to quality is the same with or without AI and unless they absolutely insist on being QA jannies, they can literally just be patient and wait for a community consensus to emerge on what AI stuff is actually good and not waste your time on the shit.
>>12873554Yes. I imagine it will be possible in the near future to ask an AI to improve/tweak the CPU behaviour in a game.For example, most retro fighting games have no online scene, the CPU in their arcade mode sucks, and it's very unlikely that you have someone to play against locally. You could ask an AI to improve the CPU in the arcade mode so that it plays like a real player, resulting in a fairer experience. You could also ask it to simulate an online ranked environment, designing different "players" for you to play against, each with their own behaviour, and allowing you to rank up as if the game actually had an online ranked mode.
>>12874820he's posted on /v/ before. He's still updating it though so no full release to the sites yet. I've already beaten it. everything works, he's just adding more stuff.He's also portimg zero to SotN
>>12874816>and it's awesomethis is an important insight into the mind of sloppersit used to be that if you were retarded enough to think that this is awesome, you wouldn't be able to do anything about it. your inner retardation would never manifest into the worldnow you can just ask an agent to do it for you. and then you put it online so other retards can look at it and share it
>>12874978Mother of God!
>>12873554hell yeah bro holodeck sheeeit!
>>12874205dude youre so fucking dumb
>>12874978If I wanted a neverending composite of retro brand slop ad infinitum I'd just play fortnite, I like retro games because they're fixed pieces of art from a specific time, they don't need to be fixed, modified or molested for epoints. Does anyone even play this shit? Or do they fuck around with it for a minute and then never think about it again, what is the value of this?
>>12875434i dont get it either. the value is "haha, crazy" for a minute, like those video edits where it's "mr bean in cyberpunk" or some shit. the thing with mods is they sometimes might improve the game a little, making something in the original stand out. these mashups however kinda walk over and ignore the substance of the originals, not really adding or improving anything.i dont dismiss these as bad because "they're ai", ive yet to see anything worthwhile. i doubt anything of actual value will ever emerge. meh
>>12873554I don't mod my games to begin with even without AI. If i were to ever use it, I would do so to slop-up entirely new games of my imagining.
>>12874816How does that have any relevance to what he said?
>>12874861>would be cool to click the donkey Kong country 2 banner on your modlist, write a prompt like “create a 3 world campaign with vanilla difficulty featuring a plains world, an ice world, and a desert world that culminates with a fight against K Rool inside a pyramid. Focus mostly on side scrolling levels, with no more than one vertical focused, mine cart, and swimming level”, click Start Game, and begin playing a bespoke romhack of dkc2 that is genuinely good.Wouldn't that just produce levels with no actual intent behind them? Like just a bunch of platforms and vines, but no actual intent behind their placement like "jump on this to reach this barrel at the right moment to launch between a gap between two enemies".
>>12875630>jump on this to reach this barrel at the right moment to launch between a gap between two enemiesthat's how human level design works
>>12875369To be honest, this also happened when people learned to use Nesticle to make shitty rom hacks that most of the time made the game impossible to beat. The goodnes set has thousands of them.
>>12875369>I hate fun!You're seething tranny. You wouldn't be crying if this was done the hard way>>12875434I play it Bitch. I literally just fucking told you I beat the aria hack. It's not never ending mashups, it's zero in castlevania, something I always wanted to play because I always knew that it would work. Its 2 of my favorite things that blend together well, not randomly generated meme shit.Meanwhile, you just play the same fucking game forever in its vanilla format, you're basically a fucking zombie stuck in ground hog day just playing ocarina of time over and over.
>>12875439>zero in castlevania is the same as mr bean in cyberpunkshut the fuck up you brainless faggot. Do you also think Capcom vs SNK is indestinguishable from Thomas the train in skyrim? No of course not, so stop crying and being deliberately obtuse you crybaby faggot.
>>12875767How the fuck does Zero, a scifi chibi robot, fit into the dark gothic castlevania setting?
>>12875621him:>the only good thing is Xme:>Actually, here's Y and I think it's pretty goodlearn to read you dumb nigger
There's no going back.
>>12875772First of all, he's not chibi at all You retard. Second, Mega Man and castlevania are the two biggest side scrolling action games in the retro community for over 30 years, and they go together well because of the way the characters play vs the way the stages are designed vs the size of the sprites.You're arguing like the typical leftist where you just pretend that you're fucking stupid and incapable of understanding basic things.Do you also cry this hard about smash bros, crossover fighting games, and guests in fighting games? You neve seen a cameo in your fucking life nigger?Story wise is actually pretty easy.Zero: Load training program #5665758*warps into castlevania*
>>12875783You're doing a really good job at demonstrating the sort of person that is interested in these projects, you're a complete moron.
Am I really the only one making the connection between the "AI schizo spammer" and his copy pasted posts disappearing from /vr/ at the exact same time that Russian data center was hit
>>12875784Me:>refute every desperate crybaby talking point, pointing out how irrational and obtuse he's beingFat hideous subhuman tranny lumpenprole freak: >Yeah w-well... you're a dumb dumb!
>>12875785It had occured to me, that has happened on this website before, we're basically in a giant propaganda machine.
>>12875787>Me:>refute every desperate crybaby talking point, pointing out how irrational and obtuse he's being>Fat hideous subhuman tranny lumpenprole freak:>Yeah w-well... you're a dumb dumb!Bro has no chill xd
>>12875774That man? Hired.
I am pissed. PS5 had the ability to play PS2 and PS3 games from the disc and they lied about it being possible.
>>12875675honestly mad I didn't think of this comparison, all I could think of when it comes to all this vibe coded shit was that dude claiming he vibe coded a free version Photoshop with the implication that I'm supposed to be impressed by that as if getting the actual Photoshop for free hasn't been something that you could easily do for the past 20+ years
>>12875434This reminds me of those cringey SoR2 hacks that adds characters for other series with no rhyme or reason just for the sake of putting them there even when they ain't properly adapted, you know the ones......
>>12874071You can just smell the retarded neckbeard logic you're cooking up and baiting for a reason to spew
>>12875653>that's how human level design workswhich is why he used it as an example of human level design
>>12875770yet, the insubstantiality remains. it's like drawing sunglasses or a dick on a painting, not like Capcom vs SNK or Alien vs Predator for that matter
>>12875630Good point. Prompt a story for it to follow too, and tell it that the levels need to coherently fit. It’ll probably make some manmade horrors beyond our comprehension at the beginning, which could be its own kind of kino.
>>12875767>You're seething tranny. You wouldn't be crying if this was done the hard wayYou are the tranny. You fucking weirdo.
>>12875767>Meanwhile, you just play the same fucking game forever in its vanilla format, you're basically a fucking zombie stuck in ground hog day just playing ocarina of time over and over.>he thinks everyone is like him and either plays the same nintendie flavored game or some form of rom hack of those games and nothing else, completely unaware of the concept of someone just playing an entirely different game after beating one.Says a lot more about you your limited taste.
>>12876157False. The full control scheme has been ported in, and the gameplay just fits perfectly. You're wrong tranny. Cope.
>>12876551You're fucking SEETHING that people don't care if a hack was made with AI or not. You're going to have to cope or kill yourself faggot because it's never going away.
>>12873554Yes, I think the future for AI and retro gaming is bright with opportunities
>>12873963FUCK artists lol, go flip some burgers
>>12875773My bad. I wasn't aware Mega Man Zero was a text adventure.
>>12875783Guests in fighting games are lame as fuck and nothing but corporate cross promotion cock sucking, unless it's the entire point like Smash or MvC.
>>12875787I see you are confused about others calling out your shitty taste.
>>12876551Uh oh, our resident lolcow is having another melty
>>12876120Nice ad hominem, dipshit.
>>12876674your reading comprehension skills are irredeemable garbage, and you're not clever
>>12876683You've called out nothing tranny. You've just posted incoherent jibberish.
>>12873554I think I'd try and port tracks from Daytona to Sega Rally on Saturn. I'd program normally for old consoles rather than have AI guess what I want, I'll try it out at least.>>12874602I'd like to rip out physics data to put in my own game
I'd really love to fix the AI in this series but sadly I don't thing LLMs can be of any help here.
So is there a tutorial or something for people who have zero knowledge and are merely curious to see what can be achieved?
>>12877340https://share.google/aimode/hPUEe9Qy5A8Z3T0jghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuAK08NxYhkGo crazy.
>>12875787Would fugg the top middle (love me some chubby girls [male]), top right, and bottom left.
>>12878469I find all of them to be hideous abominations
>be fat short ugly man who nobody likes>start wearing your grandma's moomoo dress and calling yourself trans>now you're even uglier than before and everyone hates you more than ever>hide in grandma's basement all day and just post on the internet with other ugly ass smelly fat dudes in dresses>become a communist because they're all communists>see LITERALLY THE COOLEST THING EVER but it's made with AI>crash the fuck out for the rest of eternitykekaroooooo!
