DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>12872138Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etcGameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source portsAll other 90s FPS welcome~ Let's post like gentlemen ~FAQ/GENERAL GUIDEhttps://rentry.org/vrbinSO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXzSame thing, in video format:https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXAhttps://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQhttps://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0== GAMES/RESOURCES ==DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhUHALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games:https://mega.nz/folder/etMkxKwK#947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqAAssorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Qhttps://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUAMIDI COLLECTIONShttps://files.catbox.moe/2hul76.ziphttps://mega.nz/file/dWQ3SThI#qYcpa4eGQj6ElyRZgjGqszR59dh4Fq9D3qXYee54kZQhttps://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-midi-collection-2009https://archive.org/details/midiru-archive-2022-02-25.7z== INFO/LINKS ==OFFICIAL DOOM WIKIhttps://doomwiki.org/WHERE TO FIND WADSVanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/MODDING RESOURCEShttps://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37https://realm667.com/== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==THREAD ARCHIVEShttps://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom+thread"/type/op/OUR WADS/MODShttps://rentry.org/vrdepotMAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLYhttps://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrBIMAGE/WAD DATABASEhttps://vrdoom.booru.org/https://wadsup.xyz/MULTIPLAYER SERVERSUS West: https://clovr.xyz/CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/
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>>12880132The only thing scarier than an untended Pain Elemental is an untended Pain Elemental that can throw hands.
>>12880136Guess again, shitdick.
If the Revenant wears a skull mask for Halloween, would it still make muffled screaming noises?
>>12880136What if it can grab lost souls and fling them at you even harder?
>I'll try Ad Mortem again>The first level is mean as fuckI should play this on a lower difficulty. This absolutely isn't a chill Halloween Doom session.
>>12880173Try something like this.https://drive.google.com/file/d/10LePm1bC-ixnvo1T-vQPZbUL8waLX4sW/view
>doomMore like dumb lmao
>>12880235
>>12880235>>12880239
>DOOMMore like MOOM, PHINEAS AND FERB ARE OPENING A PORTAL TO HELL!
>>12880112How I imagine FIREBLU filled candy would taste like:>chocolate exterior>very subtle buzzing vibration, easy to miss>FIREBLU itself has a buzzing grainy texture like a mix of wet sand and television static, almost feels like chewing foil to your teeth>flavor is a mix of synthetic Tabasco sauce with a lot of Red 40, and artificial blue raspberry>chewing on it numbs your mouth, makes it feel like your tongue and cheeks are falling asleep>impossible to digest, basically just passes through you>you feel the unpleasant buzzing sensation slowly moving through your body, it does NOT feel good>unpleasantly cold on exit
Best Halloween wads (besides Ad Mortem)?
>>12880234I've played that, it was great.
>>12880242>doesn't tile properly at the bottomDisgusting.
>>12880251It's like eating a frozen ghost pepper dipped in cinnamon flavored pop rocks.
>>12880242I was thinking of this webm, but couldn't find it because none of the chan archivers have saved it apparently. Weird.
>>12880292Lol that was the first thing I noticed. At least it loops well.
>>12880251It's blue fire, you idiot. It's a wall of fire imbued with hell magicks that make it burn blue. It wouldn't taste of anything, it would scorch your taste buds off and probably incinerate your entire head.
>>12880258https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/sbspd014I find this one curiously appealing, and replay it every few years at the appropriate time.
>>12880242I'm not too fond of entering anime Sodom and Gomorrah.
>>12880314no ufuck youD:
Why is Doom so much more popular than Quake ITT?
>>12880415Quake gameplay is slow and bullet spongy
>>12880415Quake's good for mapping but that's it really, it's not persisted as a platform to do whatever the shit you want with anywhere as near as well as Doom has.
>>12880415huge modding and speedrunning scene
Why is Unreal Gold's mapping scene so dead and also ancient compared to Quake?
>>12880415Doom has a much larger modding community with heaps of technology being constantly refined that makes accessibility to creating maps, mods, sprites, sourceports and other tools that much easier than just about any other old-school game modding community you can think of.
>>12880427Both are complete shit.>>12880434If I had to guess, it just had even more limited creative appeal than Quake. Maybe the tools sucked, maybe only a handful of people actually were interested, it's hard to tell but it's easy to see its modding scene is barren. I think most modders were interested in Unreal Tournament instead.
>>12880418Wrong.
>>12880468Worth noting, this webm is even giving Doom the advantage, because double shotty is high tier in Doom, but low tier in Quake.
>>12880427I liked 2016 more. I like the first few levels of 2016 more than anything they've done with it recently.>>12880434I'd say it's comparable to the Quake 2 modding scene prior to Q2 getting somewhat revitalized due to the ND port.As to the why, maybe so many more got interested into Half-Life? By the time HL2 happened everyone was into making Source stuff.>>12880479Not sure what you mean. SSG gets beat out in damage by the rocket launcher, plasma gun, and BFG. Quake's double barrel is in a similar situation.
>>12880427>2016For a AAA game, was a decent break from all the modern FPS shit at the time. Curiously one of the few first cases of DMCAs being enforced on 4chan and it was over the lukewarm multiplayer, which was only ever relevant when the Switch had free online.Never got to playing Eternal, but every so-called 'boomer shooter' released after this point apparently have more in common with it and I can see why if they have this annoying arena-reliant map design. Most I've heard is that it's more spastic and leans more into capeshit.
>>12880482SSG does beastly dps in Doom. It's not BFG tier OBVIOUSLY, but it's so very much higher in the tierlist for damage than Quake's double shotgun which is almost always like the first weapon you find in any level, though sometimes a tossup with baseline nailgun.
Now that it's been a year, can we agree Graf completely fucking lost and the trans devs decisively won?
>>12880493Can we agree that you should make better posts instead?
>>12880494I can agree with that.
>>12880487>SSG does beastly dps in DoomThat webm is showing that the DPS is about the same, though Quake's is going through more ammo. Doom's SSG is in the middle of the tier lists while Quake's is lower, that's true, but I don't think that's a too fair comparison since Quake is lacking something as replaceable as Doom's pistol.
>>12880497>That webm is showing that the DPS is about the same, though Quake's is going through more ammo.That's still a valid distinction though. They both kill enemies in roughly the same time, despite tier position, balanced by ammo consumption rates and maybe monster HP pools. It does demonstrate that complaints about Quakes' monsters being too tanky are false though.
>>12880493Graf got btfo so hard it's hilarious
>>12880493Yeah, sharty lost for real.
>>12880493He lost, but now we're paying the price in rainbow flag launchers.
KNEEL AND DRINK UP
come and mop up boys
>>12880493People have tolerated Graf for way longer than they should have. It was only a matter of time before people got tired enough of his shit and made a fork
>>12880509>Graf got btfoHe got so bored, that he didn't even manage to finish his parting message. What do you mean?
>>12880526Rachael is a fucking tranny
>>12880530They make it so obvious, coming here in groups >>12880493 and trying to force some kind of dispute. There's nothing to their lives other than screeching at the ghost of a person who's no longer here.
>>12880527Yeah cos using AI-generated code in a GPL licensed engine is such a brilliant idea lmao
>>12880539No one truly gives a shit about that. This was just the excuse the trannies used to coup Graf
>>12880542Making a fork of an open-source project because the lead dev has been an insufferable jackass for 20 years isn't a coup lol
>>12880547It totally is. I don't know what else you'd call grabbing all the assets out from under a leader you don't like and running with them.
>>12880542Indeed. I will never stop using GzDoom. It defecates on all other source ports, anyone caught using UzDoom aka UntermenschenZDoom should be broken on the wheel and this will be publically filmed and on all tv channels, any TV station refusing to broadcast it will be destroyed and all employees subject to the 9 familial exterminations. Rise up and RAGE.
Idea for any capable spriter who wants to contribute: Frankencyber.>color his skin pale green>draw some stitched lines on his limbs like he's assembled from different body parts>draw the Karloff style classic bolts on the side of his neck
>>12880550Gay.
>>12880549It's an open-source project, dude. Graf literally told them to make the fork if they didn't agree with his decisions. Even he understands the situation better than you do.
>>12880559Did Graf explicitly say "it wouldn't be a coup if you quit my project and make this other fork?" I think you're kind of jumping to assumptions here. It's more likely he just didn't believe they'd follow through.
>>12880561>Did Graf explicitly say "it wouldn't be a coup if you quit my project and make this other fork?"This seems like a stretch. It's open-source so anyone at any point could have run off and made their own fork, just no one else bothered to do so until recently.
>>12880561I'll concede that perhaps Graf was trying to call a bluff, which honestly just makes the end results a lot funnier.
>>12880530So? Wad's good
>>12880565As many former GZ contributors noted, this mass exodus/fork was not a snap decision, but the result of putting up with his bullshit for over a decade. His clumsy ass implementing ChatGPT generated code was just the diarrhea icing on the shit-cake.
>>12880565I think we're arguing different things. Nobody is contesting they were "allowed to do it." Yes, it's open source and this outcome was always possible. When everyone under a leader abandons that leader and takes the project with them, I would define that as a coup, though. This is all just "for funzies" wordplay of course. A real coup is probably bloodier.
>>12880571Had all the other devs managed to wrestle GZ away from him and continue working on it without him, then you might have a point. But that's not what happened and calling it a "coup" is ridiculous.
>>12880575Was just about to say this. GZDoom is still there, and even UZDoom is open-source so it's not like they're "hiding" anything.
Do we really need to go over this faggotry AGAIN? People have made up their minds.
>>12880550you're not funny and i think you should kill yourself
>>12880575GZ still existing is just the nature of code. Is it being actively developed though? Did ANYONE stay behind with Graf? My understanding was "literally the whole team abandoned him." But I guess that could be hyperbolic.
>>12880578This IS the board for people who recreationally can't move on, after all.Stoking community forever-wars is the type of thing they're predispositioned to enjoy.
>>12880582I dunno if literally EVERYONE left, but it is true that all of the most active contributors who implemented all the good things for the past decade and kept the port alive while Graf played absent father left to work on UZ.
>>12880547It was a text book coup.
>>12880595You're text book retarded
>>12880583A lot of it is simply because it's among a myriad of topics or opinions that will get you banned on troonworld. Telling people they can't think or discuss a certain think just makes them want to more.
>>12880582I think he had two or three loyalists stick with him who didn't really do anything besides tertiary stuff, the major contributors all bailed.
>>12880578It's partly why I'm down to browsing this cesspit once a month.
>>12879527The field kits dropping from Megaspheres need to have 100 for their drop amount or else they only heal for 1 HP.
>>12880613You could just drive conversation yourself, by bringing up wads you had fun with or something. People always act like they're at the mercy of the winds but we'd talk about other things if people just initiated that more.
>>12880575>But that's not what happened and calling it a "coup" is ridiculous.1. Organized smear campaign backed by youtubers and press2. Replacing Linux packages, no more GZDoom ready binaries for you3. Tagging GZDoom as "Outdated" on ZDoom.org's page, without prior public message from GrafBy my personal impression I would not consider it a "coup" per se, but anon's idea should hold a bit more weight. And there's the immediate fact that drama keeps blowing up, again and again, for some reason.
Good morning, i hate archvilles. Love from Kazakhstan.
>>12880617I prefer people rehashing old conversations compared to the boring assholes who just show up to say, "oh my god I don't care, go touch grass."It's like, bitch, either bring something to the table or fuck off. We're talking here.>>12880624>Organized smear campaign backed by youtubers and pressYou really think the UZ devs went out of their way to grease the palms of YouTubers and tech journalists? Maximum copium with that one, buddy.
>>12880629>It's like, bitch, either bring something to the table or fuck off. We're talking here.Silence is preferable.
>death arena with 350+ enemies spawning in, a megasphere, invuln, and no ammo pickupsI did not have a good time.
>>12880631Ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
>>12880629>You really think the UZ devs went out of their way to grease the palms of YouTubers and tech journalists?Anon didn't claim anything about it being "funded." He just said "organized." People can smear a person without needing financial compensation to go along with it.
>>12880624>backed by youtubersSneaky furry jerkoff didn't even say thanks
>>12880635I highly doubt any of the myriad of tech publications that covered the GZ schism simply cos someone asked them to as a smear job.
>>12880641There's a lot of reasons why people would sensationalize and frame it as a noble overthrowing of some corrupt regime.>growing anti-AI sentiment>Graf was a known and controversial figure for a while>Desires to paint this as some kind of pro-LGBT uprising (at least by a few psychotic individuals)With all that in mind, there were probably more than a few publications and youtube channels eager to dunk on Graf and GZ.
>>12880647I'll give you some creedance there, man. There have been plenty of people clowning on GZ for years, so the glut of YouTube videos in particular don't surprise me. But again, I don't buy the idea that publications like Kotaku and Rock Paper Shotgun wrote articles about it just cos they think Graf sucks.
>>12880651Oh rest assured, Kotaku and RPS are left wing enough that the third reason would make them vilify Graf/GZ. Kotaku is self-explanatory. But I remember when RPS ran this disgraceful ambush interview about sexualization in Blizzard games. Both these publications are ideologically captured.
Doom episode 1 levels look pretty cool from an isometic perspective. Imagine some sort of ARPG like Diablo 2 in the Doom enginehttps://youtu.be/cBQNYFaK_lA
>>12880661Graf hasn't been exposed to being a bigoted asshole who hates transpeople and there have been prominent transgender GZ contributors helping with the port for the last decade, so I feel like you're barking up the wrong tree there.
>>12880641>someone asked them to as a smear jobMaybe, maybe not. I said they were backing force.>backed by youtubers and pressNot direct culprits, the rest is implication. Hope you won't move goalposts again.
>>12880667I'm not even insinuating he was. But when people were raging in their little discord and trying to rally people against Graf, there was at least one person pushing hard on the narrative that he was a bigot and holding back the trans's of the dev team. I don't even believe it was true, and I don't have the screenshot, but the narrative existed. As dumb and unfounded as it is.To me, it was probably just another vector of attack they were trying their hand at, because they really badly wanted to stick it to Graf. And... let's be real here. Do left wing blogs REALLY need evidence beyond the initial accusation to take up arms in a fight?
>>12880664>>12880680Now someone needs to make a Doom Sims clone.
>>12880675>Do left wing blogs REALLY need evidence beyond the initial accusation to take up arms in a fight?Naturally, no, they don't. But this is mainstream news publications we're talking about here. They won't even take a piss without being paid before they copy-paste from each others articles and change the words around slightly.Also, none of the articles I read when schism happened mentioned anything beyond just "lol Graf put generative AI code in his port and his team left and made a fork in protest".
>>12880684>none of the articles I read when schism happened mentioned anything beyond just "lol Graf put generative AI codeOK, fair enough. But left wing outlets are pretty anti-AI, so I guess the other thing wasn't even necessary.
>>12880680I want to try it but the program doesn't work on my PC
>>12880138>cheating demons personally posted symbolsI'm scared, guys.
>>12880138>starting complete woof eternity support
>>12880680Is this that Diablo 1 Doom mod?There is a guy making a Diablo 1 first person mod right now that is extremely impressive. He just finished Tristram itself and the dungeons/combat are implemented. There's lots of videos on YouTube. Basically an FPS Diablo 1.
>>12880635They didn't pay them but where do you think they got the info? Independent investigation?? No, the UZ devs came to them with the story and their side is the one we get.
>>12880719Yeah that seems pretty plausible.
>>12880613Never understood you crybabies who sperg anytime we have controversial discussions or meme on Romero/REKKR or whatever. Fucking go back to troonworld and stay if that gets you so triggered ffs. Don't come. Or discuss the things you want to here, no one is stopping you. You cry about "muh off topics muh no moderation" uh yeah that's why the site as a whole is one of the only places on the internet where people can speak their minds and shit talk and what not unfiltered because we are all anonymous. It sounds like you want somewhere with tight rules and moderation, a tyranny of trannys perhaps? Troonworld forums seems what you're looking for.
>>12880719Are you high? Everything happened on public forums and github discussions that anyone can easily find.
>>12880727That's because on the whole you're an unintelligent individual.
A victory over the antisocial mind is when they fire off some emotionally heated gotcha, then block you so they can't see your response.
>>12880713
>>12880730And I guess all these sites just happen to browse troonworld. No, they went to them with links to these forums and they shaped the narrative. Graf disappearing only lent itself to this. You're a fool if you think them coming to them presenting their narrative then providing the links to the threads isn't going to frame the story in a certain light.
>>12880731/doom/ simply isn't for individuals like this if they can't handle bantz. It's simple.
>>12880730>Are you high?>Are you coping?>Are you crying?Woah, almost got everyone into loop. Arguing for the sake of arguing, or just plain combative autism?
>>12880737I'm not convinced anyone from the UZ team went to any publications at all is my point. All this shit is public info that's piss-easy to find. Also, YES, of course some game publications would browse Doomworld, you moron. It's the biggest and oldest Doom modding site there is. Some of them have consistently reported on the Cacowards alone every fucking year, you dense retard.
This won't sufficiently cover it, and this general is not really a good place for such discussions, but here are the links. Techspot is the earliest article, so maybe they were lurking on discord or github, or something.Oct 15, 05:41 PM https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155560 (Some random user asking what's going on)Oct 16, 02:22 AM https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155567 (Nash's public address, turned into main uzdoom topic)Oct 15, 07:37 AM https://www.techspot.com/news/109864-gzdoom-developers-split-creator-amid-ai-controversy-launch.htmlOct 15, 12:03 PM https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/10/many-developers-leave-gzdoom-due-to-leader-conflicts-and-fork-it-into-uzdoom/Oct 15, 01:34 PM https://www.escapistmagazine.com/news-notorious-doom-source-port-developer-causes-schism-with-ai-generated-code/Oct 16, 10:45 AM https://kotaku.com/doom-gzdoom-source-port-graf-zahl-ai-chatgpt-2000636055Oct 16, 11:53 AM https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/doom-modders-fall-into-civil-war-as-devs-launch-new-engine-in-protest-at-gzdoom-creators-leadership-and-use-of-chatgptOct 16, 05:30 PM https://games.slashdot.org/story/25/10/16/2041249/open-source-gzdoom-community-splinters-after-creator-inserts-ai-generated-codeOct 16, 06:48 PM https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025/10/civil-war-gzdoom-fan-developers-split-off-over-use-of-chatgpt-generated-code/
>>12880727Nta, but we do have moderation. I don't think no one has problem with freedom of speech itself or definitely not the rekkr romero memes, but having the same topic multiple times in sperging manner without bringing anything new to the table. I don't give a shit myself what the topic is, but I just wanted to clear that I don't see any traces of some culture war here.
>>12880258I still like Spooktober.Yes, it's a mixture of very experimental maps and bad ideas, but it gets the Halloween atmosphere down in a way that Ad Mortem doesn't.
>>12880517Fucking kek'd heartily, I love these. This one with a screenshot of the old Usenet post it's referencing would he perfect
>>12880778Moderation yes but it's much looser than places like Troonworld and you have fuckers here who cry about said fact.
>>12880415Doom has better combat and is easier to mod and map for.I still say Quake has better atmosphere and a good Quake level blows Doom out of the water though, to this day the Doom community has never made anything that surpasses Arcane Dimensions since Doom isn't really that kind of game.>>12880418You say this when Barons, Mancs, Cyberdemons and Spider Masterminds are spongier than anything Quake has.>>128804272016 by far. Eternal feels like a parody of retro shooters. The "level design" for each map is a straight corridor that leads to exactly five arenas every single level, and it ruins it's own atmosphere by being goofy and trying to act like a Marvel movie. At least 2016 respects the source material.>>12880493Fucked if I know, I still use an older version of GZDoom for modded games because everything still works on it.
>>12880418>Repeats something he read one time but doesn't actually play the game or form his own opinions
>guy is a retard for 10 years>puts chatgpt code into project>people get mad>"if you don't like it you can get out">tranny says thing>people leave projectOh I see it's totally the trannys fault and absolutely nothing else. I feel safe knowing that if I ever fail in life I can just blame it on and ugly man in a dress and never have to take any accountability.
>>12880775that's amazing, blanket coverage within hours
>>12880814>guy is a retard for 10 yearsAt least he was decent breadwinner and partner in bed, I hope? Sorry to hear that about your husband.
>>12880825You realize you're going to bat for Graf, yeah?
>>12880631Yeah I was enjoying Carnage Oasis to play with the Ashes weapons until I got to the slaughter sections - that weapon set is not good with slaughter.
>>12880828Well, I'm certainly not his lawyer to solve your divorce dispute. If that's what you're asking.
>>12880830You're a strange man.
>Can't decide between using DSDA and NuggetNugget has the SSG gibbing and better gibbing, which DSDA lacks.But I swear Nugget is more pixelated and somehow looks rougher than DSDA. You only can really tell when it comes to seeing things from mid to long range, but it's there.Plus most mappers test using DSDA but not Nugget.
>>12880814You will never be a woman
>>12880112
Honestly, the schism was a net positive for ZDoom as far as I'm concerned. Graf was dead weight, having checked out of active development years ago and just held the port back with his "Le No Chicken" act. The UZDoom team, who kept the port from rotting for the better part of the last 10 years, is now free to implement features and fixes to ZDoom that people have wanted for a very long time. It's almost already been a year since it happened and the improvements they've made are huge and show what a burdensome carbuncle that crusty old kraut was.You likely hadn't even noticed his absence before, but you can sure as fuck notice the difference now that they're free of him.
>>12880845>But I swear Nugget is more pixelated and somehow looks rougher than DSDAGenuinely can't see it
>>12880418>bullet spongyThis is why you don't make weapons as good as SSG. It mind-breaks people and they can't comprehend using any other weapons at all, even in different games.
>>12880863>beforeGZDoom is shit>nowUZDoom is shitNothing ever changes.
>>12880863>The UZDoom team, who kept the port from rotting for the better part of the last 10 yearsHuge overstatement. The vast majority of the main uzdoom contributors joined the development only around 2023. One can confirm this by checking the contributors page of repository. That's also when Graf diminished his activity. dpjudas? alexey-lysiuk? Both long gone.
>>12880851You will never be a man
>>12880664>>12880680So tired of these incomprehensible AI garbage mods made with the sole purpose to farm views and likes.
>>12880861lol cursed
>>12880863>the improvements they've made are hugeThey are? What have they done? I still see constant "don't play this with UZDoom" admonishments in map release threads and I'm not aware of any announcements about new features, but perhaps I missed them. So what have they actually done? (Yes I know about fixing people's names and adding rainbow flags, no need to mention that again. I mean actual gameplay fixes/additions.)
>>12880863>It's almost already been a year since it happened and the improvements they've made are hugeYou almost had me, good bait.
>>12880896It's bait? I mean there must be *something* changed because that You Raped Me In My Pussy And Ass mod by kevinsevens, or whatever his name is, demands UZDoom and insists it won't run with GZDoom due to missing features, so there must be _something_ other than fixing deadnames and hardcoding alphabet flags.
>>12880895Here's a vid MrIcarus made a while back when the last version came out that breaks down all the new features.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgMV8agqEmE
>>12880898He will now fire back with some bullshit about a video from an e-celeb makes this irrelevant.
>>12880898I was hoping for a list or a patch notes document or something, I don't really want to watch a video. Thank you for trying, anyway.>>12880901I'm not the nigger you think I am, nigger.
>>12880863They wasted a lot of time on tranny themed game launchers
>>12880902By all means. Here, take a gander at the changelog:https://zdoom.org/w/index.php?title=UZDoom_version_history/5.x#5.0
>>12880173It gets significantly easier, it's just the first map that's a bit long for a first map and quite mean because it introduces pretty much all the new monsters, if not all of them. There's a King Boner the Stiff at the end too, and he's an absolute pain in the arse. Specially so if you're not used to it.
>>12880242>>12880235Any wad with these theme? Like having to go to hentai hell to fight tentacle monsters and save cute anime priestess that got attacked by those vile creatures?
>>12880861>caco>doesn't make doomguy have only one eye
>>12880886>The vast majority of the main uzdoom contributors joined the development only around 2023gee I wonder what happened in 2023
>>12880905Oh this is more like what I wanted, thanksNot seeing much I'd call "huge" though, I mean okay a few of the things if they are pain points you particularly care about but I'm not seeing anything that's like, yeah, modders are going to update all their mods to use this thing and you have to upgrade. The fake one-sided wall flag sounds interesting though, like ML_SECRET but for rendering as well
>>12880915I'm not a technical guy, so I can't really speak to your criticisms there. But I do know that Graf held them back when it came to a lot of additions and improvements they had been wanting to make, so I think we can expect more impressive things to come in future builds. They're just getting started after all.
>>12880138Hard guys put single maps
>>12880664"Someone" is my favorite modder.
>>12880882>people who think SSG is OP>people that think Plutonia is unfairThere’s some Venn diagram overlap there, I think. Plasma rifle, launcher, BFG are all clearing through crowds faster than the SSG could ever hope to.If Quake’s vanilla campaign was instead filled mostly with grunts and dogs, it would feel a lot less “spongey” for new players.
>>12880960I think saying it's "someone" is actually the correct terminology here, seeing as it was generated with AI assisted code, so it's just a bastard child product of the work of god knows how many people.
>>12880962Quake has an enemy variety problem. Fiends and Shamblers aren't exactly uncommon enemies and there isn't really anything that could be put in their place.
>>12880851>everyone who disagrees with me is a trannyMind broken and butt blasted from crying online about ugly men in dresses. We are not the same.
>>12880629When the usual sexual deviants get together to hate something, anything, it becomes a political controversy and the right side of history must support itSuch is the state of the culture wars and journalism
>>12880825>muh gay fan fictionGreat contribution faggot
>>12880962>Plasma rifle, launcher, BFG are all clearing through crowds faster than the SSG could ever hope to.In vacuum, yes. In reality you have virtually unlimited supply of shells on any map and nowhere enough rockets and cells.
SSG talk again? As much as I love the boomstick I also love exploding martians with a few well place rockets at mid range. Always satisfying hearing that death rattle over the sound of exploding rockets.
>>12880972Great contribution faggot with a bartered bride likes to comb his hair with a dipper ride
>>12880814It was a coup by the trannies at Troonworld. Denying this is to deny reality.
>>12880985>with a bartered bride likes to comb his hair with a dipper rideWhat? Is this some kind of Euro saying?
>>12880989>mixing up dw and zdoom.orgWhy are you gay?
>>12880981You know what I say? The shotgun in blood is superior to the SSG. It just is. The whole arsenal is.
>>12880991My bad, there are too many trannys in the scene for me to keep track
>>12880993That's literally every non-normie hobby/scene nowadays.
>>12880675And who was that? Mr. Rachael?
>>12880967Lots of ogres, too. You can still clean house through a lot of them with explosives, but it could’ve used much more weak-health enemies throughout the campaign.>>12880976>there’s less ammo for the more powerful weaponsFine by me, leads to smarter usage. Just because you’re potentially using shells (depending on the wad) more than the others doesn’t make either shotgun ‘op’.
>>12880996Reskinned Grunts and Enforcers appearing more often would have been nice.
>>12880675He is a known transphobe who refused to allow gender to be selected in the options.
>>12880616Forgot fixing this, my bad.>>12880631Did you run out of ammo or was this an issue with the spawners not being generous enough? I may have made them a bit too stingy for both pistol and rifle ammo.Also, in case you weren't aware: sprinting with the chainsaw, fist, pistol and SMG is much, much faster. It can definitely help with repositioning.
>>12881007That shit's been in since ZDoom and never was taken out of any subsequent port.
How limited is Decorate + ACS combo compared to ZScript?
>>12881035Ultimately that depends on what you're wanting to pull off with the combo and how far off the deep end you're willing to go. Zscript is powerful as fuck and often gives you easier, cleaner, and faster means of making shit happen.But if you know your way around DECORATE and ACS you can make a lot of shit work, it just might be at the cost of doing some disgusting hack fuck bullshit.
>>12881035They're fine for most stuff unless you're going all in on some batshit complex thing, which is where things get very fucky with the workarounds you have to do to get shit done.I still use them since I don't exclusively target Gz/Lz/Uz Dooms, also helps that they're mostly set in stone compared to zscript where if a mod will still work on builds a year or so after release is a coin toss.
The real issue was never the shotguns, it's the chaingun that's too weak and unsatisfying to use.Buff the chaingun a tiny bit and suddenly the shotguns aren't nearly as "overpowered" (in reality they're just overused) as people claim they are.
>>12881053Yeah, just make it fire 1 tic faster and you already have a more worthwhile weapon. Give it a new firing sound and looks and it's ascended into being as satisfying as the SSG.
>>12880251i imagine>choccy exterior>red parts taste spicy and like cinnamon - think Big Red Gum>blue parts would be somewhat lighter in taste - blue ICE candy?(we have something like this in Poland, Storck makes them, they feel refreshing like mint but suprisingly it’s not mint at all) or maybe just blueberry>texture is like those popping sugar daim candy fillingOverall weird and bad combination, but Hell itself probably sucks at making candy, except for Satan but he makes the good stuff on Earth to tempt people to gluttony.
>>12881053The chaingun is pretty good in any map that has enemies sniping at you from far away or that has a lot of hitscanners.
>>12881085A weapon that relies on the mapper to feel good or even useful is a bad weapon. It can function better in certain situations, but it really shouldn't be reduced just to "gun you use when there are enemies up on ledges or far away" or "gun you use to kill fodder quickly".
>>12881086>A weapon that relies on the mapper to feel good or even useful is a bad weapon.That's literally all the weapons.
>>12881053Decided to put some numbers on this claim, here's the result.Each weapon is split into min and maximum damage numbers taken from DoomWiki, I won't bother with averages, but the real numbers are somewhere in the middle. Total damage assumes you fire all ammo, with a backpack (since the ssg takes 2 shells, it fires 50 times). Rocket launcher damage is the sum of direct + blast. Damage per minute assumes infine ammo (since some would spend all their ammo in less than a minute, this makes the chaingun look better). Plasma end rocket are there just to get some extra perspective.I think the abismally low total damage is very crippling to the chaingun. The ssg gets a damage buff over the regular shotgun in the form of extra pellets, even if each individual pellet deals the same damage. The chaingun could very well do with a small buff on that front too. This would be particularly good for snipping, as is, the pistol is just as good if you're stopping to regain accuracy after each shot, plus the smaller sprite lets you see better than with the chaingun.Damage per minute isn't awesome either, and that's for a weapon that's supposed to be all about DPS. The regular shotgun beats it on that front. The weapon that's supposed to have low DPS but make up for it in burst damage has more DPS than the supposed DPS weapon.The other anon mentioned sound. I think that's a huge deal too, it has the same sound as the pistol which is a total peashooter. Very unsatisfying.>>12881085So is the pistol. In fact, they're equal for that purpose since they do the same damage and you always have a pistol, unlike the chaingun.
>>12881086That applies to the SSG too. It shines so brightly because a vast amount of maps have you tangling with monsters at close to mid range. Trying to engage with enemies at long range with the SSG is pretty awful. Using a rocket launcher in close quarters maps is suicide. Really the only gun that's a one size fits all regardless of map layout would be the plasma gun.
>>12881091>The regular shotgun beats it on that frontScratch that, it doesn't, but it gets close-ish. The ssg does, but I still don't think the ssg is overpowered. It feels fine and even if it is overpowered (for argument's sake), using it as the standard is much better than any other weapon, since that's the workhorse most maps get balanced around (like it or not).
>>12881046>Gz/Lz/Uz DoomsI'm hoping another fork emerges named YZDoom so the quadrumvirate can be collectively referred to as "UGLYZDoom".
>>12881102You're free to fork it under a
>>12881102Don't forget there's already a fork called ManlyDoom.
>>12881090Correct, I think Doom's combat feel is complete ass.Mathematically, it has its questionable choices here and there but for the most part, it's pretty good.But the sprites and sounds? Almost entirely shit, I just don't like how slow you swap out your weapons, how piddly most of the guns sound, how few of the monsters can even get gibbed, etc.I understand the limitations of the time, but it's also been 30 years and I played this game way, way after it came out.>>12881092And even the plasma gun has a bit of a drawback in its recoil frame, so it might not work that well if you get overwhelmed from all sides and don't have enough ammo to spare.Not that I think this ever happens intentionally in the original games, it's usually offered as a reward rather than something you're expected to use immediately.
>>12881091>So is the pistol. In fact, they're equal for that purpose since they do the same damage and you always have a pistol, unlike the chaingun.The pistol is far, far slower than the chaingun, and it uses the same ammo type so you don't save up on ammo by using it over the chaingun.
>>12881108Yeah, it gets reduced to a gun you use to hit shoot switches once, and exactly once.
>>12881108You're snipping monsters from afar. Accuracy is worth more than speed in that circunstace so you're gonna stop in between shots to regain accuracy. It's better that holding down the button and missing half the shots. Also the chaingun always fires at least 2 shots.
>>12881107Thankfully there's mods that address all of your gripes without going totally overboard.I've thought about doing a lowkey mod like that at some point but I know that I'd go apeshit with it, I always do.
>>12881104Sadly I am naught but a lowly meatbag.Programming is no longer my privilege.>>12881105Shit. My dream has ended.
>>12881108>so you don't save up on ammo by using it over the chaingun.You do on hard ammo economy maps where you can't afford to be wasting bullets by burning an extra one here or there with the chaingun.
>>12880919Don't you think an entire year is a bit long for "just getting started"..?Well, never mind. Silly argument, anyway...
>>12881114Snipping what? Their foreskins? Shalom.
>>12881114You don't hold down the button when sniping with the chaingun, you tap it. The first few shots are always accurate.
>>12881104Kek
>>12881126Same with the pistol, except with the pistol you get to fire single shots and they both do the same damage so it doesn't matter, ammo wise (unless you kill them with first shot of the chaingun, because it will fire at least 2 and then you waste the second one).
>>12881118Can you recommend a good hard ammo economy map?
>>12881115Yeah, there's quite a lot going from just minor fixes to complete overhauls.>One Hell of a Marine / Hellbabe>the Funny Project>Interpolated Weapons>Dead Marine >Supercharge>Faspons, Weapons of Saturn, LedIris's Generic Weapons ModThat said, please go apeshit. I'll never turn down attempts at making Doom's combat feel good.
>>12881034He refused to allow it to say "Transwoman" "Transman" "Gender Fluid" etc.
>>12881134when I say "go apeshit" I mean specifically "scope bloat/feature creep"So it'd go from a vanilla+ mod to just a gameplay mod. Because I would absolutely not make a shitty melee or pistol, it'd probably also either regen ammo or have some quirk to it so you'd always have a way to get more in a fight.
>>12881091Nice fake AI slop numbers
>>12880992Bloods arsenal is pretty standard for Build. I believe the best retro FPS arsenal is Shadow Warrior. The nuke is unique in that you can't view the blast without dying you must seek cover. I love that.
>>12881131Unless I'm playing a wad with Sigil-tier ammo starvation, I really couldn't care less about wasting a single bullet. The chaingun gets the job done much faster and just because I'm sniping someone doesn't mean time stops being a concern.
>>12881139Nothing wrong with that. I tend to fall on the side of making weapons implicitly useful instead of giving them quirks, but I'd still play your take on the whole idea of making Doom's combat better.
>>12880239Need that one reaction image of these faces staring at a computer.
>>12880493It's a shame both sides can't lose.
>>12881148You might have already at some point, I've done a few. I think the most vanilla-ish thing I have right now would probably be the Artificer in Combined_Arms
FREE GRAF ZAHL
>>12881160>>12881163samefag
>>12881137>no [no] on the entire of their github for that shit>only thing even close is some fuckwit complaining about the existing gender options having other and object, which Graf closed the complaint ofYeah my money's on this shit being yet more /pol/ types trying to reimagine Graf as their hero who masterfully got all the tumblrites to leave his port.
>>12881146I always thought chaingun was kinda weak, but maybe that's only because the SSG is just so damn powerful
>>12881132Some of the Vrack ones start out pretty fucking mean but they get more generous with the ammo over time.
>>12881165Dumbass
>>12881168Rachael led a tranny coup against him to steal GZDooms spot as the main source port. This is documented fact.
>>12881185>This is documented fact.Then I'm sure you'll be able to provide the documents.
>>12881184Very good saar. Can use devtools bloody benchod saar.
https://www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2026/10/13/i-love-software-rendering/
>>12880736I was scrolling through this thread, and for a second, I thought the Nugget logo was The Scream.
>>12881212I can see it. But only for a fraction of a second, or out of the corner of my eye.
>>12881137Based. Putting that in would be stupid. Keep your identity shit out of my game.
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>>12880113Gosh, I love Touhou futa bike
>>12880113RIP Levelord. That name meant a lot to me.
>>12880829I was even thinking that might have been a good one to play with it too. That last fight, I had to jump outside of the arena and use the rocks as cover a lot.>>12881029Oh I mean there were no ammo drops in the arena. I was basically full up when I went in. I just think the mod wasn't a good fit for that fight, at least trying to do it the way it was intended.
>>12880829>Ashes weapons until I got to the slaughter sections - that weapon set is not good with slaughter.It can be ok depending on the version and how lucky you get with the random drops, but that often doesn't make for a fun time.
>>12881196>get called samefag>prove poster wrong>get called a jeet for some reasonSad
>>12881192Its reality champ. Everyone knows that's what happened. Sorry I don't have the logs of the smokey Discord backroom where this coup was planned
>DSDA now has an option for ENDOOMLooks like I'm going back to it.
>>12881328>it's documented>there are no documents just believe meYeah, no, you're just making shit up that you desperately want to have happened.
>>12881336Why not just post with a name and tripcode, Rach?
>>12880113>Crispy Doom suite v7.2 update>Deathkings is now side-loaded with Hexen and can be selected as an episodeThat's actually kinda cool. I've always wondered if it was possible after they did the same for No Rest and Master Levels with Doom II.
Zandronum stable release anytime now..........
>>12881368I'd rather wait till they get MBF21 support in there.
>>12880904This.
>>12881368lollmao
>>12881275If there's no cover or place where I can hold up in the arena, and I don't have a berserk for its movement boost, then yeah I'm going to have a rough time in PD. Revenant hordes are probably the biggest hurdle I run into with the mod.
https://mm8bdm.net/forum/thread/mega-man-8-bit-deathmatch-v6c-release-322New mm8bdm release, for the 2 other anons who care.
>>12881459add this to the infographic NOW NOW NOW NOW
>>12880972>muh gay fan fictionThat's "10 years" emotional framing for you.>faggotPlease spare me from your badge of honor.
>>12881440Happened to me a few times, but I'm also not playing a lot of maps that have these huge fights and/or rev swarms for whatever reason. I guess it's mostly just luck.>>12881275Good to hear it wasn't the mod fucking you over, at least. I was considering adding some sort of revolver until I realized how much of a pain in the ass balancing the spawners would have become.If it does happen I'djust have it use pistol ammo and offer some bullshit explanation as to why it does more damage, but I don't know. I kinda think the mod has enough going on already.
>>12881224Looks like an earlier Sunlust map. I never went past the jungle/ruins levels, but then I also use the gamepad, so...>>12881331I switched to Woof once Graflab removed the stats display from the automap overlay, but Graffrath the Third's port is not without its issues either.
>>12881459 best we can do is the news text post>>12880113[10-16] Mega Man 8-Bit Deathmatch v6c released https://mm8bdm.net/home
>>12881480>Looks like an earlier Sunlust mapThey are made by the same guy so...
Another lovely looking map, but fuck me that free roaming cyberdemon near the end with no BFG was terrifying.Having the secret exit on map 1 of this episode is interesting, looks like I'll be having a perforator for most of the chapter then...
>>12881325You proved nothing, retard.
>>12881554Yes I did, I showed one of those posts was mine and one wasn't. Suck a dick.
>>12881480Yeah the trouble with the modern traditionalist scene is that there are 12 ports all with at least one intolerable deficiency. At least when it was all PrBoom+ and nothing but PrBoom+ you knew what you were getting and everyone else was getting the same.
>>12881556No retard, that is trivially fakeable with any modern browser's builtin developer tools. It proves absolutely nothing. Lurk more.
>>12881480what are woof issues i'm curious?to me looks like a perfect port
What is the best sourceport for limit removing vanilla anyway?Nugget?DSDA?Woof?PRBoom +?
>>12881168https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1194154Graf is no hero, but even he knew the answer to the troon question.
>>12881590If you want most authentic rendering then woof or crispyI use crispy and only fallback to woof for boom higher compatibility wads
>>12881561>PrBoom+Somehow I feel an indescribable longing, as if Doom felt way different then. I know some people still stick with PrBoom, judging by the recorded demo footers.>>12881579>Reccurent fiddling with pitched sounds>Removed blinking missing keys>Removed scrolling hud numbers>Removed compatibility menuThat's off the top of my head, but the addition of many new things makes up for it. I especially appreciate binaural audio and non-blurry scaling.>>12881590>What is the best sourceportThe one you stick with, I guess.
Every time I think I've seen the prettiest map of Eviternity 2 it proves me wrong. Also holy shit at the amount of astral pissed off martians at the exit. Good thing I found the BFG.
>>12880468This shows Quake's inferiority tho, look at the slow and sluggish attack patterns of those monsters, they are just boring to play against
>>12881654Oh piss off. He's trivializing the shambler and fiend's attack patterns by baiting their melee range attacks which is exactly the same strategy you can do to certain Doom monsters too. Most people are going to have a rougher time than using pro moves like that.
>>12881590Pre-rewind version of Woof
>>12881661>exactly the same strategy you can do to certain Doom monsters tooOnly the revenant, and he's guaranteed to shot a rocket after a painstate so that strategy doesn't work forever.
>>12881670Well, if it really bothers you, Copper Quake increases the odds of a lightning bolt thrown into the mix the more they melee attack. And you can't always get toe-to-toe with shambies so those ones are more dangerous.
>>12880173The entire wad is mean as fuck.Honestly, most wads are these days, because they're primarily made by and for the most hardcore players. The average wad offers a level of challenge on HMP that outstrips what 90's wads offered on Nightmare.It will probably kill the scene eventually, by keeping new players out.
>>12881665>rewindI didn't even know it had it. I just tend to lay the game down after I die multiple times in a row.>>12881674>Copper QuakeAny similar "Vanilla+" alternatives?
>>12881565Why, you little cunt. Kill yourself, tranny.
>>12881680I don't think you're meant to play most modern maps. It's the end result of "Doom is an art scene". They're just meant to be looked at and admired, and make you aspire to be just like that your favourite speedrunner who can beat them first time on her twitch stream.
>>12881680I'm not sure if this is bait or not, but there is a grain of truth in your post. There's an issue where a vocal group of players base their personality around how hard a wad is instead of how much fun it is. It's like going to a curry house on Friday night and seeing the drunkest people there trying to outdo each other by ordering increasingly spicy curries, then looking down on everyone else there for not ordering the extra super hot XXX Vindaloo with extra hot death sauce.There's always going to be people like that, but that's the mentality of a growing number of mappers at this point.It's bleeding into Quake, too. Look at recent mapsets and there are always mappers now who have to add hundreds of monsters in an endless array of nasty GOTCHAs that will kill most players in blind runs every single encounter because there's some specific way to survive them.
>>12881680I just wish there were more wads aimed at casual players. I like Doom a lot, but not enough to play it so much I get skilled enough to single segment Sunlust or some shit.Every Cacowards I download a bunch of the winners, play a little and see the wad going all out in map 1, and it's pretty offputting. I expect difficulty later on but not a straight "Get the fuck out" at the door.
>>12881680>It will probably kill the scene eventually, by keeping new players out.It only has a chance of doing that if the wads don’t also balance for the lower difficulties, and I’m not convinced that every single “newbie” plays strictly on UV.
>>12881705>randomly makes his post about curryI've got my nose on you... and what I'm smelling isn't good.
>>12881705>>12881731WHAT'S THE BLANDEST THING ON THE MENU??
You guys might be forgetting the fact many newbies play with gameplay mods, which help deal with excessive-in-vanilla wad difficulty
>>12881735Fava Beans
>>12881712Thing is there are, or there's stuff that is more casual-friendly but stuff like the Cacowards just outright overlooks them. Teledirect Atlantic Redialed is at least fairly friendly to start with and that got utterly ignored at the Cacowards for whatever fucking reason.
>>12881731>RandomlyIt's a thing in Europe to get takeaway food on Fridays, and the analogy fits this community. I'm accusing people of being retarded, not Indian.
not so ez
>>12881756>for whatever fucking reasonWell, look at who picks them, and what their tastes are.
>>12881712>CacowardsThere's your problem. The judges are hardcore players who tend to value difficult wads, I legitimately find the runners up tend to be the more fun (not always, but often). They do have good recommendations here and there though, I thought Eviternity 1 and 2 were very balanced for the most part, only getting really tough at the end.
>>12881753I'm pretty sure it was something like scampi. I don't remember exactly how the sketch went.
>>12881760Is it any more a thing than it is for Americans? As a Euro I get fast food or something maybe 2 to 4 times a month, usually coinciding with doing bulk shopping in town, an hour's drive away. Tired from a day of driving and shopping, and I like hot and fresh French Fries, so it's a nice treat.>>12881554Nobody proved anything either way, anyone can just call someone else a samefag and unless there's some rare distinct circumstantial evidence, there's nothing to prove it beyond just hunches. Maybe those hunches are valid at times, but since nobody here is a mod who can see IPs and cookie IDs, we'll never know for certain, and mods and jannies don't talk.For those same reasons, it's also difficult to actually prove that you aren't samefagging. You may very well not be, but how do you actually prove that? It's easily falsifiable to just add or omit (You)s in screenshots.On average, this kind of exchange is a bunch of empty and gay posturing.
>>12881780Who the fuck even is on the committee anymore? I lost track when it stopped having fun-focused people like Terminusest13 on there.
>>12881756>Tele-Direct Atlantic Doom: Re-Dialed is a 42-level megawad for MBF21-compatible source ports, with levels, art, and music from various contributors...Thanks anon I'll give it a go
Oh fuck, I had an idea just now.
>>12881809I don't think there's a public list. They're Doomworld staff, they're not big on transparency. Best you can do is see who wrote last year's.
>All this bitching about the Cacowards choosing bullshit wadsI find the pretentious purple prose far more offensive. "Ohh, this map is SIMPLY Cronenburgian in it's efflorescent juxtoposition!"It's a Doom map where you shoot demons you FUCKING CLOWN.
>>12881891This post is very R.L Steinian.
>>12881375>hdest night shitshow>nobody makes it out of the first room
>>12881375How about dat MBF24!?I'd feel sorry for Xaser if the complete lack of interest surrounding it wasn't so fucking funny.
>>12881918Nightdive's fault for suddenly dumping ID24 on everyone, not finishing it, and just leaving it like that.
>>12881918Don't worry, they're working on an MBF2y that will fix all of our problems!...Any day now!
>>12881809I only know there's that one guy with unsubtle craving for queers seeping throughout all his writing. First time I learned of him was when anon reposted that "lesbian macroslaughter" memeable quote of his.
>>12881918>>12881923Does anyone use it? Has it EVER been used outside of that shitty Legacy of Rust episode?
>>12881928MBF21 didn't exactly manifest overnight, and it added a fraction of what the future spec is promised to deliver.MBF21 added extensions to DeHacked and some new stuff onto the Boom mapping format, that's relatively small stuff compared to adding in actual Decorate and UDMF map format support.
>>12881936>Legacy of RustIt wasn't even used for that. LoR was MBF21. The only parts of ID24 that were used were the intermission maps and fire skies.
>>12881938Wait, LegRust didn't use any of the fancy color effects or anything?
>>12881941Nope. You could plug it into any MBF21-compliant port and play it right out of the box. The only noticeable thing would be the fire skies showing as completely black.
>>12881941>>12881943Additionally, all the new enemies, decoration, and weapons were done through DSDHacked.
>TSSSSSSSS!>WHOOSH>BLAM *ch-chk*>HAUN!>BLAM *ch-chk*>HAUN!>BLAM *ch-chk*>HAUN!>BLAM *ch-chk*>HAUN!>BLAM *ch-chk*>HAUN!>BLAM *ch-chk*>HRHRBLBRLBRBRL!
>>12881956bodied that freak
>>12880530Last time this was said, I asked about it and someone said they were making shit up. I spent a couple hours trying to find her going by anything else, but couldn't find anything. Even when she was dropping slurs in the irc logs, people called her a woman?
>>12881965It's such a shame that the Doom community arm of the green bird phonebooking forum comprises such a bunch of self-obsessed incompetents that they couldn't phonebook anyone even if they were beaten about the head with a telecom directory.
>>12881965It hardly matter compared to the known for certain stuff like what Rachael did to Skulltag.Anyway it sounds like the thread got linked or mentioned on /v/ again, which would explain the sudden surge in anybody giving a fuck about the gzdoom shit again.
Sarah Mancuso (esselfortium) is a tranny, right?There's no way a biological woman would be such a major contributor to the DOOM scene, right?
>>12881590UZDoom, obviously.
>>12881654You say that as if fighting a lone Baron or Cacodemon is any more dangerous or exciting.
>>12881670>Only the revenant, and he's guaranteed to shot a rocket after a painstate so that strategy doesn't work forever.Not if you get right up to him so he tries to punch you.
>>12881705>There's an issue where a vocal group of players base their personality around how hard a wad is instead of how much fun it is.The weird thing is the most recent wave of that shit seems to be fans of youtubers fixating on blind, single-segment UV-max pistol starting everything as the default way to play.Even Doom speedrunners tend to agree that it's idiocy to do that for your first fucking playthrough of anything, it just makes shit miserable.
>>12882106I'm not sure that works reliably. I don't think letting it punch clears the MF_JUSTHIT flag, so if you don't keep it swinging constantly until you can shoot it again, it'll rocket you when it gets a chance to take a step. Don't take my word for this, though. I haven't checked.
>>12882136And if you bring that up, you usually get egotistical sneering about how "it's okay to play games on easy mode, anon". It's so fucking tiresome.
>>12881748Many do, but I’m not sure about most.
>>12881748Sometimes I play with mods, other times I don't.I'm a GzD/Nugget kind of man.
>>12882308How come that hellknight at 0:04 doesn't react to you standing right next to it for half a second?
>>12882321Invisible walls.
>>12882321They're all inactive until you get to end of the hallway and go back.
>>12882062You can always just look at doomwiki's history page to see the truth about people. But no, of course there are no actual foids making doom maps.https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Mancuso_(esselfortium)&oldid=84183
>>12882345There's been a few, but less so now.
>>12882345lol how did I ever guess.Very skilled mapper, though. Consistently uses monster placement very skillfully, using angles and distance, to make encounters challenging without resorting to slaughter numbers. I dig his maps.
>>12882379Yeah, I respect the fuck out his work.Also, apparently he has some kind long standing beef with 'Rachael,' owing to Rachael's long history of being an actual sociopathic manipulator, and he had him permabanned from DW.
>>12881862Fuck, this idea is so fucking good, you guys are gonna love it.
>>12881862>>12882429Is it Doomguy riding a Cacodemon like a spacehopper?
>>12882384>Also, apparently he has some kind long standing beef with 'Rachael,'First I've heard of this. Are you sure you don't mean 40oz?
>>12882430... n-no.
>>12882345I can think of few. Major Arlene and Tim Willits' sister. That's it I think.
>>12881862Is it WIR MUSSEN DER PAIN ELEMENTALS AUSRATEN?
>>12882518Gesundheit.
>>12881891I remember that sentence, and it's the most retarded description of a wad I have seen. Cronenberg made bunch of body horror movies with tits and gore, and here 'cronenbergian' is used as an adjective to describe wad with glitch aesthetic.
>>12881756Well it did get sidebar mention at least. We Have Doom At Home and Coldwire didn't even get that. But to be fair last year had a shitload of quality wads.
>>12882514>Theresa Chazar (Willits's sister)>Arlene>someone named Spock who mapped in the 2000s some>some girl named Robin who did her own megawad in the late 90s or early 2000s>LilWhiteMouse (mostly known for 3D modeling, but she did maps and even TCs)So there's a few. I know Stevie Chase was active in competitive Quake deathmatch, but I don't know if she ever made any levels.>>12882524You know, that's actually remarkably retarded when you break it down like that.
>>12882526>We Have Doom At HomeThat was a fun wad, weapon set for it was neat too.
>>12882527Can't remember if the woman who drew The Green Pile ever made any maps
>>12882514>>12882527>Arlene>real womanProof?
A lot of you are weirdly obsessed with trans people.
>>12882527There's loads more, it's just that you keep your head down if you don't want attention from weirdos or if you don't want your shit getting treated with kid gloves.
>>12882543Also weirdly obsessed with trying to verify what's in the pants of people who made the wads they play.
>>12882543>constantly shoved in your face>weirdly obsessed
>>12882532 (me)Hum. Only one speedmap, in 2003. Looks trivial. A single room, a square figure eight.https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Cindy_McCluskey_(Silverwyvern)https://www.wad-archive.com/wad/f33d3a92f68267fc35b6f7e4ce7d62040768578chttps://archive.org/download/wadarchive/DATA/f3.zip/f3%2F3d3a92f68267fc35b6f7e4ce7d62040768578c%2FMAPS%2FMAP02.PNG
>>12882549yeah it's constantly shoved in our faces here.Weirdo.
>>12880132we need a pain elemental that spits out imps
>>12882546I'm still very new to /vr/ and I wanted to give the place the benefit of the doubt and not just judge it at face-value for being on 4chan, but it's been pretty discouraging to see the same kind of bullshit as almost everywhere else over the last 4 threads.If I wanted to read loser bigots stroking their hate-boners all day, I would've remained over on Doomer Boards.
>>12882543>>12882548Actually my post was motivated by chauvinism and not transphobia.
>>12882548Sorry, that last post was for you. Tagged the wrong anon
>>12882557>hates 'loser bigots'>goes on 4chanI think you are the problem here, if I'm to be perfectly honest.
>>12882551you vile fucking ogroids infiltrate positions of power in every conceivable community because you have no lives, you never venture out of your ogre caves, and you constantly desire the power to control the speech and thought of others to force them to affirm your delusions, because your own thoughts are not loud enough to overpower the voice of truth that constantly reminds you of your own wretched and ruined nature as the Perfect Goy
>>12882564weirdo.
>>12882557It's usually not as much of a shitshow, it's just lately a few dickweeds have been trying to revive old dramas, also it apparently getting linked on /v/ where they think the Graf shit is an entire conspiracy and he is an unsung hero or something, shit's fucking bizarre.
>>12882557>I'm still very new to /vr/No you're not. Nobody who was really new would admit to being new.>and I wanted to give the place the benefit of the doubt and not just judge it at face-value for being on 4chanIf this weren't a fakepost, I'd say you'd made your mind up already>but it's been pretty discouraging to see the same kind of bullshit as almost everywhere else over the last 4 threads.See above>If I wanted to read loser bigots stroking their hate-boners all day, I would've remained over on Doomer Boards.Lol okay this shows you're lying and fakeposting. You have to make your lies believable. You're not very good at this. Better luck next time.
>>12882562I didn't wanna be stereotypical about it and chose to investigate it for myself rather than just have other people's opinions to inform my judgement of this place.
>>12882565you understand how absurd you, a chemically castrated and mentally ingoytrinated freak of nature, using "weirdo" is, yes?
I mean, Doomer Boards. C'mon, I ask you. You've got a lot to learn.
>>12882532Holy fuck, I haven't thought about The Green Pile in like 25 years, goddamn. Blast from the past.>>12882546Which is understandable. If I was a lady, I'd keep that shit very much on the down low in any nerd environment.>>12882557Sorry that you feel that way. 4chan is an autistic boy's club, always has been, always will, and this is how the place is. You can either just not let it get to you (I certainly don't agree with all common narratives at all times), or you can leave, your choices in bread are your choices in life.Does EVERY disagreement need to be challenged and addressed?Do you need to be an activist at all times? Do you need to let things get to you when it would be more productive to just ignore it? Ask yourself those questions, they are key to be a functioning adult.
>>12882568>No you're not. Nobody who was really new would admit to being new.Call me a trailblazer, I 'spose.>If this weren't a fakepost, I'd say you'd made your mind up alreadyI genuinely hadn't. I've known about 4chan since I was in high school, but never used it until this past month. I'm as wet behind as a "newfag" can get. I'm glad you think I'm blending in lol>Lol okay this shows you're lying and fakeposting. You have to make your lies believable. You're not very good at this.If things have changed over there since, I wouldn't know. I left that forum several years ago.
>>12882573>Do you need to let things get to you when it would be more productive to just ignore it?Boomer status quo enjoyment mentality.
>>12882573>Sorry that you feel that way. 4chan is an autistic boy's club, always has been, always will, and this is how the place is. You can either just not let it get to you (I certainly don't agree with all common narratives at all times), or you can leave, your choices in bread are your choices in life.You make a fair point, dude. Besides, I guess simply saying, "shut up retard" whenever I see that crap is kinda freeing.
>>12882575Nigger, it's a fucking niche videogame thread on 4chan, it's not going to make or break society if I don't bother engaging with insignifican shit that annoys me.There's a thing called TIME AND PLACE, and CHOOSING YOUR BATTLES. You would live a significantly happier and more productive life if you learned those things.
>>12882573>Which is understandable. If I was a lady, I'd keep that shit very much on the down low in any nerd environment.I was tempted to say it's not as bad a community as some but it's also a community where the kind of shit that happened to Term not only happened to him but was covered for by a lot of people.>Does EVERY disagreement need to be challenged and addressed?If these threads are anything to go by, a fair few anons can't handle other people doing stuff differently than they do and try to change them rather than work out why it bothers them so much.
>>12882548You can have a pussy, the biggest cock in the world, or be a smooth Ken Doll, and it doesn't matter to me, I'm not going to be having sex with the people who make Doom levels.
>>12882575Change-disliking boomers on the boomer nostalgia games board? Never!>>12882582Agreed, it's very silly to try activism here with us old stick-in-the-muds.
>>12882587Nobody was asking you too, you retarded weirdo.
>>12882595I was agreeing with your sentiment, you idiot.
>>12882591>Agreed, it's very silly to try activism here with us old stick-in-the-muds.At least that one anon who spent the last year or two thinking he was doing genuine internet activism by shitting up these threads, seems to have fucked off.
>>12882598lmfao my bad
>>12882587Yeah I'm way more interested in the cool things people make than that any of bullshit. Makes it frustrating when you get the /pol/ types who claim to hate identity shit but immediately seek it the fuck out at the first chance they get.
Has anyone been playing Spineless? I think it's pretty great. I haven't finished it yet, but it's been great so far. AD_79's combat has always been pretty thrilling.
>>12881590Crispy. Every time I have to use another port, I immediately miss being able to move the automap just using the mouse. Why the fuck hasn't this amazing QoL feature been implemented in other ports yet?Only thing I wish Crispy had was the ability to stop lost souls spawning outside the map.
Just finished What Lies Beneath. I managed to finish both that and Eviternity during the spooky season.Very good. I think the last map feels off because it doesn't feel like it belongs with the rest of the set, both in tone and aesthetics. But it was still a competent map. I particularly liked the more slaughter-y maps, they felt really tight without being ballbusters. Not sure what to play now. I might play something other than doom for a change.
>>12882621AD_79 is great. I haven't played anything new of his in probably 5 years though. I've been out of the loop...
>>12881590DSDA, Woof and Nugget are all good. Nyan Doom is also a really good DSDA-fork if you want some extra features or are just annoyed at the ones that've been removed from DSDA.>>12882657I highly recommend it if you haven't played his work in a while. He hasn't lost his touch.
>>12881590For me it's nugget Doom
