AAAR VAAR AAALDAA VAAAAARI think this game becomes 10 % better simply because of the main menu music.
Link it next time asshole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jIQQANQHEY&list=RD1jIQQANQHEY&start_radio=1
Can I play this yet or should I still wait for more patches?
>>3829744You've always been able to play it. Beat that shit on release. Stop being a bitch and go play it instead of asking for permission from random people on the internet.
>>3829767no, it looks half-baked
>>3829800It has some jank but overall I'm enjoying it. Just finished act 2.
haven't played fall of avalon because i don't really care for a jank open world game but i really liked their first tainted grail game and am happy it introduced me to danheim. would literally just chill listening to battle music, especially bosses
>>3829800Then why are you asking if you say it's half baked? Sounds like you already made up your mind and asking is pointless.
>"Let's give the player a horse, that way they have a mode of transport that's faster than running but still lets them enjoy the immersiveness of the landscape.">"Yeah!">"And then also let's make the horse handle like you're trying to help your friend who drank an entire bottle of vodka at a party get home.">"...">"You know, for realism."
Please, someone who's noclipped or something to get up there, please tell me I'm wasting my time trying to get up there in a legit manner and there's nothing there with the banner. It's driving me bonkers trying.(Wreck of the Andraste)
>>3829166sorry, i forgorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHwvUFjaNdU
>>3830611the horse is for moving around while encumberedI don't think it's even faster than you
How do I learn to enjoy the melee combat in this game? I've done a mage playthrough and a stealth archer one and enjoyed both, but melee just feels like suffering.
>>3832940It's still easy if you play with a shield. There's a perk that lets you recover your health if you hit back within 2s. The trick is to get one of those shields that have retribution as effect, so blocking will heal you. There's a bleed one in that narco bandit mine.
Well, i played it with a summoner build and it was okay? I did some questing but the world was boring and the main story was not hooking me in at all. I did like the spooky aspects of it, though. But it is a painfully 6.5/10 rpg otherwise. Main menu music was kino.
>>3832971(me)Oh, and adding to that, the game comes off as very serious and on an seemingly epic scale but all the ingame dialogue just sounds so casual and amateur-ish. The stark contrast just made not taking the game seriously easier.
>>3832940Parrying can be quite satisfying. A couple of points in the skill tree will extend the window.
Is the heavy armor tree essentially useless still?
>>3832973That was actually kind of a draw for me, I like the homebrew-feeling kind of jank in games. It's charming, you know?
>>3828828>AAAR VAAR AAALDAA VAAAAARImagine my surprise, as an Icelander, to find that what he's singing is meant to be (grammatically incorrect) Icelandic/Norse. His pronunciation is so awful I didn't even recognise it. And he's fucking Danish!
>>3833216No, we have Sigur Rós at home
>>3833219What did he mean by this
>>3828828>>3829166Tainted Grail: Conquest had an absolutely incredible OST as well. Reida is probably my favorite track don't know how many times I dropped acid while chanting along to thishttps://youtu.be/Qjmp2r2OsZ4?si=G3x-8Z5elmWYhU7A
Are you supposed to get all the Round Table knights whose tombs you visit as summons? I got Galahad and Vast, but there's dialogue suggesting I should have Gawain and Lancelot too(Dagonet doesn't count, he's not encountered in his tomb).
>>3833475Mom, can we have Icelandic music?No, we have Icelandic music at home.The Icelandic music: AAAR VAAR AAALDAA VAAAAAR
>>3834149It's not about Iceland, Gunnar. Don't be a faggot about it.
>>3834149Danheim's more like Wardruna at home
Anyone else having issues parrying with shields? Dual wielding daggers I can parry every time, but with a shield I just keep missing it. Does it have a longer parry-frames windup or something?
>>3828828Anon that's a song about Nordic mythology, and specifically Ymir. Wtf is doing in an Arthurian mythos game?
>>3834534>parrying with shields?Horrible horrible horrible idea. Just don't parry with shields, it's dysfunctional on infinite levels.
>>3834655It's some Polish take on the myth which also features frost giants and the creation of the world. Not unusual to mix everything nowadays. Arthur is even something like Jesus in this one, as in a god living as human.
>>3834655The dev's rule is: if it's cool, it's going in.They're not glued to Arthurian legend, they just liked King Arthur, the knights, Merlin, etc.
>>3834683>Not unusual to mix everything nowadays.It was since time immemorial. Check the myth of the Wild Hunt. You will notice that Arthurian and Norse mythos were already intertwined back then, and even more.
>>3834655They made the Dál Riata basically Norse with Scottish accents, so who even knows anymore
>>3834534Parrying with a dagger while you have a shield on the other arm is a bit impractical, wouldn't you agree?
>>3834149We call that Icelandic whale music where I'm from.
>>3830528Exactly. Lonely ass mf. Just wants you to interact with him kek
>>3833209It can be charming. I love both Gothic games for that. But this one was a miss.
Does it count as a "backstab" if you actually get behind an enemy's back and stab them in open combat, or is the term just for surprise attacks out of stealth?
Why does Filth attack you if you go to him while you have a bounty on youHe's a wimpy little fence, not a fucking guard
The next update seems like it'll make or break whatever legacy this game will (or won't) haveLegitimately rooting for these literally who devs
>>3828828tried playing the demo again a while back, combat made me feel like i was having a stroke, no impact, no nothing. Should I try again?Jk2hk
>>3829767>t. raging autist
>>3829744There's allegedly a huge update coming that the devs swear will completely revamp the game, so I would say wait
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>>3829744Wait for more patches.I've seen plenty of gaslighting, swearing it's fine, but by the time I got settled in the second region, my Arthur got completely bricked while half the things worked 40% of the time.
>>3828828I found it to be an extreme case of bait & switch after tutorial prison. Especially after you "visit" Arthur's "tomb" the first time & it has this cool, solemn atmosphere, which convinced me it's going to be some sort of "reclaim your honor" journey, which it wasn't. Instead I got some cheap, lame, half-assed atempt at "erm... camelot are the real bad guys" with Arthur being a bitch.
>>3841652I don't even have "subverted expectations" fatigue anymore, I'm just exhausted.
>>3841652>Arthur being a bitchthis is accurate to the tale. arthur is a literal christcuck.
>>3841663>I'm just exhausted.
>>3834909It's a special animation.
New update is here. I'm about to try it out.
>this is accurate to the tale. arthur is a literal christcuck.
>>3841929>ignores merlin's advice to pass dumb bitch up>needs grail >gets cuckedliteral christ-cuck :)
Played the update for a couple of hours. Game is much better optimized. I ended up with about 20K extra gold because the devs compensated the players for nerfing some items, so I bought the house in the first village. Finally figured out that I want to do a dual-wielding Dex+inflict bleed build after using something like this to beat Perceval. Time to respec.
>>3841936Brown.
>>3842042yes, you are, following a desert based mystery religion instead of a forest based white man's religion.
>patch fixes "Act 3 is bad" problem all these games hadI really am becoming an unironic shill for this game. I picked it up when it launched and I've had so much fun. Two handed weapons feel so satisfying, I am cleaving through crowds and sending shitty redcaps flying. Plus all the "pointless" mechanics that are just there for players to have fun>sketching>fishing>cookinggiga-comfy.
>>3841652I thought the opposite. It launches you into it with>we must reclaim arthur's glory>arthur tells you how cool all his lands are>get there>the lands are fucked>arthur confused, starts to wonder what happened>realise slowly over time how fucked up the arrival of arthur and his knights was >main story becomes a "save the people" with an undercurrent of lovecraftian horror
>>3842043>a white man's religion>goes extinct Ok you have a point there.
>>3833525I think this is the grindiest and shittiest card roguelike I ever played.
NG+ is legitimately unironically without exaggeration TOO FUCKING HARD. Deranged Peasants and wolves are now damage sponges, I don't even want to think about the wyrd stalker or strawniggers. What were they fucking crazy with this shit?
>>3842153yep, kinda universal though, through fire and sword christcucks destroyed many cultures as was done to them under constantine's cult. it's like how molested children become molesters.
>>3842144sounds like something a highschooler would come up withnah I don't like it
>pagan larpers who shit in the woods wake up every day in a seethe that their hairy-assed ancestors converted to Christianity and stopped worshipping fucking trees and then helped build western civilization
>>3842199The puncher boss in the starter dungeon stuck his fist right up my ass.
>>3842221>copied argument from another personaka became christcucks, dying for the sins of the world as good slaves and prompty killing god as trained by christian dogma in order to worship the material. worked out great for you, didn't it?arthurian legend is a cautionary tale, an inkling of self-awareness that grew into don quixote and modernism. so having an rpg mocking it is quite apropos.
>>3842364Can you stop tipping your fedora for five minutes, Aalewis?
>>3842371sorry, no idea who that is and i don't wear hats because i'm balding and that feels like cowardice.can you make posts on topic?
>>3842364>prompty killing god as trained by christian dogma in order to worship the material. worked out great for you, didn't it?The peak of European civilization was Christian, and it promptly went into the dumpster when that was (((subverted))) into atheism and modernism, leading to the hellhole we all live in now.
>>3842380you're simply dumb. the enlightenment was an extension of the christian dogma that almost freed europe while damning it.protestantism was the rebound disease, where people bounced back from their possible escape into even stronger slave morality.hegel wasn't jewish.subversion needs fertile ground, you cannot subvert a healthy civilization.this was carved into stone the moment the missionaries converted your ancestors into half-formed byzantine cult members, it's just like a slave, you need a "master" to blame.look to arthur's fate, it's all there.
>>3842373>can you make posts on topic?Oh, the irony.
>>3842387thatsthejoke.jpg
>>3842389No, that's you "only pretending to be retarded".
>>3842392cope as you like, autists have to because they can't handle subtlety.
>>3842142Is there any point to the sketching later in the game or is it just a mechanic there for the fun of it? Are the sketches saved to a folder?
Did I miss something in the melee tutorial? I tried parrying throughout the tutorial area and it would take chunks of my health and eat into my stamina for almost no benefit. It was infinitely better to just spam dodge/dash instead of trying to block in any way shape or form. Also, how is the progression? I quite enjoyed what I played, but I was really disappointed when I finally got to level up, saw there were two forms of advancement (attributes and skill trees) and realised they were BOTH "Deal +5% damage with a single weapon type" menial increases. Progression being nothing more than lots of small, boring number increases is one of my video game pet peeves.>>3841652>>3841663No offence but you guys are being silly. I just played the demo for the first time and it is blatantly obvious Kamelot are not the good guys from the tutorial alone. I'm genuinely baffled at how you can play through that and think it'll be a "reclaim your honor" journey without entirely ignoring the dialogue and text.
>>3843676The % bonuses really build up and make a difference, especially as your base power increases as you level and get better gear.There are some really fucking useless skills though, the kind where the bonus is low, temporary and conditional.A 10% increase for 10s after doing a slide dodge is pretty shitty, especially when you'll find a pair of boots that add a 20% permanent increase.
>>3843676>It was infinitely better to just spam dodge/dash instead of trying to block in any way shape or form.The value on the shield is actually a percentage. So the shields in the tutorial are only around 50%. You'll find ones with over 90% in the first area and can improve them further at worktable. Shield talents also straight up make you invulnerable to magic and arrows. And yeah, the damage relies a lot on the weapon but also on weak spot damage (hitting the head), crits, and I think you get another multiplier if the enemy is out of stamina (there are talents for that). Only weapons can hit weak spots, so it's a huge factor for melee.
>>3843676>being sillySure.>the kingdom becomes shit after its ruler kicks the bucket>the ruler returns to reclaim what was his and restore its gloryIt's not that hard to wrap the head around.
>>3844182>buys a game called THE FALL OF AVALON>expects a journey where Arthur becomes a Better Man™>uhhhmm why are Camelot the bad guys...?! I f-find this to be an extreme case of bait & switch!!
>>3844182>ruler is resurrected in the most over the top evil cult cutscene imaginable>part of him has been imprisoned for some reason>implied that he was the aggressor in the conflict with the natives, and then not only beat them but wiped them out>all in the tutorial area aloneAnon, are you fucking with me? Did you start the game blindfolded and deafened?
>>3843799>>3843812I went back to replay the tutorial, turns out that I missed the room with the lockpicks and shield (I was just using a dagger initially) so I missed a ton of the starting area stuff due to having no picks. Still, I can't seem to get parrying down. Either the timing is really, really precise or tutorial gear is too weak to do it (which I doubt). I might also just be stupid.
>>3844247Some attack animations delay their wind up, so it's easy to accidentally parry too soon.The parry skill tree will increase the window. And there are some gloves and a parrying sword that will make it easier while you get into it.
>>3844196The opening cutscene has absolutely no bearing on the rest of the game, that devil guy never actually even appears. Also we learn the Forerunners were not only openly hostile to humans but enslaved and deceived other non-human races long before humans arrived so it's no big loss they got genocided in self defense by a chad thundercock and his knights of the round.
>>3844190Are you fucking stupid, bad faith nigger or mentally ill tranny?IF you played the game, you'd notice that Avalon has already fallen.IF you played the game, you'd notice that the rebellion is fucking retarded. It WOULD HAVE BEEN a 100 times better story, if Arthur just rolled up his sleeves, whipped everyone into submission or erased them, fixed what's broken or fucked and then put his ass back on the throne and keep it there so that shit like this doesn't happen again.
>>3844319>WOULD HAVE BEEN a 100 times better story,No, it would have just validated your desires.>The land isn't changing enough, it's stagnant in its corruption>The guy who's been resurrected several times is resurrected again to try and save people>The """good""" ending to you is the people of the land being so pathetic they become reliant on an ancient figure to keep them in a status quo literally forever instead of learning to how to support themselves>if anything happens to him again they'll be fucked again BTW
>>3844329>they become reliant on an ancient figure to keep them in a status quo literally forever instead of learning to how to support themselvesArthur is technology?Truly slavery is tool use.
>>3844340Using a tool to do something yourself is not the same as getting one person to fix all of your problems for you for the rest of eternity, especially when it's been demonstrably proven that said person can be taken out
They're better off leaving Avalon and going back to the mainland.If that's even possible.
>>3844319Avalon is the land, lil guy. Do you not understand what the phrase 'the west has fallen' means? Why would Camelot still be intact? And the game hammers it in that Camelot's existence completely relies on Arthur. Like, not in a shallow way, but metaphysically. Avalon isn't a place where humans can just exist. And even farther down the line, it was Arthur alone who defeated the lesser fore-dwellers. So how is the rebellion retarded if Camelot simply doesn't matter? The player as Arthur's agent can fix everything, by the way, but it involves dealing with the gods, not engaging in politics.
>>3844348I still wish we could have seen Kamelot. I'm imagining the core of it being very rich, then surrounded by slightly decaying buildings that are still trying to make it work, and then a ring of growing slums outside of that and beyond the main walls, for all the refugees who have flooded in from the surrounding regions.
>>3844329Can you stop projecting for a moment? You are the ONE projecting YOUR desires.Lets look at the facts that the garbage story introduces:1) Camelot went to shit after Arthur left2) Rebellion is led by fucking retards (from their justification, to methods and goals they are trying to achieve). It's so fucking stupid it's unreal if you pay attention. The supposed "twist" where you meet a certain ghost in a cave is similarly retarded (a literal gradeschooler's take on morality), and the presented justification to go against Camelot is, as the trend dictates, extremely retarded. Frankly, it's extremely hard to engage with your stupid shit, because I can't even figure out where is your stupid thoughts coming from. It's like I'm trolled by fucking chatbot.
>>3844387The reason for the rebellion is that Camelot wants to remove all the Menhirs and abandon most of Avalon. They also killed all the scientists, the druids, out of superstition and basically it's clear that their plan is a dead end. But it's hard to rebel since the populace associates Camelot with Arthur. The founding hero of the local settlement having been doomed by Arthur to eternal torture just gives them something to shake up Arthur's image a bit. It's not the actual reason for the rebellion, you fucking retard, and the quest guy even says it clearly.
>>3844341No, it's worse. You can learn from a person, while a tool permanently cripples your ability to support yourself.
>>3844400And now Arthur has returned. And he can restore Menhirs.And he can influence many other things................Why the fuck am I even engaging with you?
>skyrim but worse in every possible way
>>3844464This is true, but it's not a bad attempt.Also fuckers wont fess up that they used AI assets, which is lame.
>>3844405>while a tool permanently cripples your ability to support yourself.That's LITERALLY their aim by reviving Arthur. They're doing it so they never have to support themselves, they're not trying to learn or better themselves. They're trying to use the same get out of jail free card for the next 1000 years,
>>3844502That's literally what humanity does with everything they do. You aren't making any sense with any of your criticisms. Man or tool or god or whatever, if it works, it works. Any other nonsense is your disconnect from your own mortality causing an ego issue.
>>3844504No, it's literally not. Utterly baffled how you don't see the issue with this plan, especially after it's literally failed before
Love how it went from "the intro is a bait and switch" to "well later on in the game once you learn XYZ it's only natural you'd assume..." ie using evidence that isn't in the premise or intro
>>3844509That's because I haven't played this game since it looks like garbage and I'm just saying things vaguely related to your posts to wind you up. ;)
was it supposed to be meta about how the King Arthur legend has constantly evolved and changed over 1500 years until whoever the real man was, if he existed, completely disappeared?
>>3830635Nothing. The loot are on the wrecked ship.
>>3844545>what if we, like, do an Arthurian story, but, like Camelot are the bad guys and the people they oppress, like, rebel against CamelotA onions-facing faggot (with a beard, probably) wrote this while stroking his dick for being so clever.
Ah, no wonder this game is getting shilled here, it's made by pollacks. Apparently the studio was founded by some Polish chick who did PR work for CDPR. Fucking lol.
>>3844545Poor Arthur. You're a god now, suck it up buttercup.
>>3844613Isn't he "just" an Avalonian? In the Weaver cave the story begins with an envoy of the higher plane (the All-Mother?) visiting the Avalonians. This leads to Arthur the Avalonian who betrays them and creates the Menhirs. Then Arthur incarnates in a human and invades Avalon after the All-Mother has brought about the Red Death. Seems like that bitch has set everything up and Arthur might truly be a pawn.
>>3844604>what if we, like, do an Arthurian story, but, like Camelot are the bad guysAnon, knights of Camelot are the bad guys in the classical Matter of Britain. The whole mythos was built in a tragic mode around the theme of decline and waning of chivalry. Camelot and the Round Table always ONCE WERE a shining ideal of heroic questing knighthood, but the actual stories describe the conflicts of the knights who try to commit to a noble and righteous life (on the form of holy questing) and ultimately tragically fail. Any opposition ever described in the tales pretty much universally sits firmly in the background, while the stage is taken by the internal hardships of the knights, in which they rarely succeed. Lancelot commits adultery with Guinevere and murders a fellow knight who exposes him, betraying his king's trust. Tristram similarly loses his chivalric purity to adultery. Cai is consumed by pride. Bedevere gives in to melancholy and despair. Gawain is one of the most frequent characters in the legends, in which he is typically simultaneously proud, cruel, unpious, lustful and deceitful. Arthur himself is traditionally seen felled by Mordred - a direct consequence of king's own incestuous adultery, his sin directly causing his way in one of the classical ironic echoes of literature. Only one knight of the entire Round Table - either Parcival or Galahad - is usually described as perfect and pure enough to find the Holy Grail, and even then he does so by distancing himself from earthly matters and petty squabbles of his fellow knights. Like, go ahead and name some OG Arthurian works in which Camelot knights are unambiguous positive heroes of moral righteousness and chivarly, instead of flawed and troubled individuals on their way to their tragic end.
>>3844628I thought Merlin did it to him, but I could have missed that. You can miss a lot of things quite easily, it's a pretty big world.Avalon is Arthur's world, isn't it. Born of his imagination and bolstered by the belief his followers had in him. Without him, there is no Avalon. I think I got that much.
>>3844629This depends heavily on what source you're reading. These tales are 1500 years old and constantly Frankenstein'd together or torn apart with some characters elevated and others cast down (like Gawaine for some reason). It's more fair to say generally these guys were powerful men with powerful flaws (to quote the late great Donald Sutherland in that old documentary about it) but few you could say were outright malicious, wicked or evil. For the sake of convenience if you focus on Malory, most of them really wanted and strove to do good but stumble along the way for entirely human failings, some even seek redemption like Lancelot did. There's a clear distinction between Arthur's knights and outright villains like Sir Breuse Saunce Pité and King Mark and 'unhappy' spiteful faggots like Agravaine and Mordred. It's not like how GRRM the fat fuck abuses the moral ambiguity term and make everyone a drooling psychopath that happens to love their mother.
>>3844722Yeah, trying and failing is fine when the story remembers and stresses the importance of virtue to begin with.That's still in Tainted Grail. While the west i mean Avalon has indeed fallen, there are still people trying to do right. Even the attempt to bring back Arthur is still noble. And the game pretty much encourages your character to be like a redeemer, trying to right the wrongs of the world, save people, and make up for Arthur's mistakes.Like you say, something like GRRM's stuff forgets that and winds up going for a demoralising "just give up on trying to be good, it's impossible everyone is bad" defeatist story. The only good character dies in the first book.If you want the rich get richer while the poor get poorer, you'll just turn on the news.
>>3844743>If you want the rich get richer while the poor get poorerPoor people are the worst assholes around.
>>3844464>Better combat>Better story>Better dungeons>Better quest design>Potions and food are actually useful nowAre you on crack?
>>3844903Let me translate....>Better combatHas dash>Better storyA redditor's take on Arthurian myth>Better dungeonsAlso mostly same-looking caves>Better quest designThey are the same, but it's 2025 now>Potions and food are actually useful nowRemember how potions can interacts with almost every skill in Skyrim? None of that in Tainted grail, as you'll be using mostly health and mana potions.Why would anyone lie on the internet, huh?
>>3844722>This depends heavily on what source you're reading. These tales are 1500 years old and constantly Frankenstein'd together or torn apart with some characters elevated and others cast down (like Gawaine for some reason).Agreed.>It's more fair to say generally these guys were powerful men with powerful flaws That is essentially what I wanted to say. >but few you could say were outright malicious, wicked or evilTrue, but they are definitely their own antagonists. The Tainted Grail Camelot is rather similar desu - they are not blatantly antagonistic and villainous, but deeply flawed and misguided, although it does use a much coarser ADHD brush to paint them. Point being - Camelot being decadent and it's knights flawed is not le postmodern invention of le gay poles, it's been a key theme of Arthurian mythos for centuries. >It's not like how GRRM the fat fuck abuses the moral ambiguity term and make everyone a drooling psychopath that happens to love their mother.I'm not a huge fan of the Fat Fuck, but breh you're strawmanning. I can name about 30 Arhurian period pieces that are both way more blatant and worse written than ASoIaF. Small wonder, seeing as those were the pulp slop of their time.
Is this the earlier Avalon and the shining stone tower a Menhir?
>>3844629NTA but my closest encounter with "original legends" about Arthurian knights were two stories bundled in a big book together with the Legend of Nibelungs. The Nibelungs were amazing but the Arthurian tales... I think the first one was about Percival and it went like:>dad is a knight but killed so mom makes him live in a cave and maybe crossdress>meet some knights and start asking what's that about everything they have>decide to become a knight>ride on a horse because adventure>encounter a bad knight>knock him out of the saddle, take his horse and armor>encounter bandits>knock them out of the saddle, take their horses and armor>encounter bad knights>knock them out of the saddle, take their horses and armor>encounter evil lord>knock him and his men out of the saddle, take their horses and armor>encounter a man-eating ogre (with maybe 3 beautiful daughters)>knock him out of the saddle, take his horse and armor>encounter a skeleton knight>knock him out of the saddle, he gets up, knock him out of the saddle, he gets up, knock him out of the saddle, he gets up, knock him out of the saddle, he gets up, knock him out of the saddle, he gets up OH SHIT WHAT DO I DOI honestly thought it was a really good ending to that thrilling tale so I stopped there.Another one was about a dour knight who was already at Arthur's court but couldn't take a joke and somehow decided his faithful wife was cheating on him. So what did he do? He took her on an adventure where they would meet assholes, he'd knock them out of their saddles, take their horses and armor. I was kind of hooked on the premise so I actually finished it or read the ending. He learned that his loving faithful wife was faithul and they lived happily ever after. I am honestly not sure about your interpretation of the tales being 100% correct. The only constant I took from them is that you must defeat Evil, in other words knock it out of its saddle and take its horse and armor.
