>>3830120
>Is this what people want?

According to its massive sales, yes.

I don't know how people can stomach the remake games, the dialogue is lower than kingdom hearts level.
The only ff7 games that matter are the original and debatably crisis core, everything else has only made the story worse.

>>3830130
>massive sales
It barely made even.

>>3830134
Not having the story acted out by deformed early 3D dolls probably helps. I mean their human features are barely visible, and dialogue delivered by poorly translated text boxes.

I love it regardless, but I can see with my own eyes how someone might prefer better presentation.

I grew up loving the original FF7, and I completely reject every single element of the "extended universe" and these demakes. Shrimple as.

>>3830163
What a brave and unique stance.

>>3830174
Observe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8cQtsQSqEQ

>>3830130
>According to its massive sales
Citation needed lol.

>>3830120
They were always a cartoonish caricature, FF7's cast are mostly outlandish goofballs, it just wasn't as obvious when it was portrayed by a low-poly chibi's rudimentary gestures accompanied by a text box vs a fully voiced 3D character with mocapped state of the art facial animations.

>>3830144
That's a budget issue. Still outsells anything not called Pokemon.

>>3830210
Wasn't it a PS4 exclusive

>>3830216
PS5

>>3830210
Or maybe Square needs to learn that not every project requires 700.000.000 dollar budgets with +300 people working on it.

>>3830202
It got a lot worse from game 1 to 2. Despite all its flaws, I really liked the characterization of Remake, but in Rebirth I couldn't take Barrett seriously anymore. They turned him into comedic relief.

OG Tifa: supportive waifu with martial art skills

Remake Tifa: insecure melancholic crybaby

>>3830240
>OG Tifa: supportive waifu with martial art skills
waifus were never a thing in FF
>Remake Tifa: insecure melancholic crybaby
much, much worse than that.

>>3830237
>They turned him into comedic relief.
That's my impression of Barret in the original, for the most part. The retarded character model doesn't help lol

>>3830240
Tifa's insecurity is a big part of her character in the og though

>>3830240
Is the dialogue and scenes different or something?

>>3830245
She was demure for sure but i don't recall her dialog being constantly worried and sad about everything. Once I noticed it it pissed me fuck off.
Like once you notice characters cannot leave any statement of others uncommented with an anime "huh?" or "ah...?".

>>3830242
Barret was the Worf of FF7: Big, strong warrior who could crush you with his bare hands but for gameplay and story reasons he was never allowed to have his moment of glory or even show off his potential. It's all posturing. And this is magnified to absurd levels in Rebirth.

>>3830240
OG Aeris: Manic pixie dream girl with a cheerful attitude

Remake Aerith: girlboss SJW from california

Reminder that Flower Girl=Prostitute in Asian cultures.

>>3830274
Reminder Tifa worked as a prostitute in the Honey Bee Inn.

>>3830267
OG Cloud: cool teenage boy power fantasy

Remake Cloud: pussy-whipped pushover

>>3830210
>most of the game engine and game mechanic development done in Remake
>only needed to add more assets for game 2

What the fuck cost them so much?

>>3830276
Tifa isn't my waifu. :)

>>3830293
Nothing wrong with hotwives. Just saying.

>>3830134
All the terrible crisis core era of garbage was so bad it was like the star wars prequels. It set up the first remake to look better than it was.

>>3830298
For you. I find them boring.

>>3830298
>hotwives
Isn't that when you share your wife with other men? What do you gain from that?

>>3830120
Everyone in this thread seems white and self insertionist. Also you are also playing dubbed, wtf is that shit.

I had mixed feelings about the original FF7, but I found the remakes incredible.
A more fleshed out world and getting to empathize with the plight
of the protagonists more so than the original. The sectors looked a teensy bit run down in the original, while in the remake sector seven was abject fucking poverty. We didn't even get to know the avalanche crew long enough empathize with their deaths in the initial game, but we did in the remake.

We get to know the lay off the land, this game's world seems more lived in and believable than the original.
Remake, and rebirth are far superior to the original game.

Honestly I hope more titles from the 4th and 5th generation of games get complete Redos like this.

>>3830261
>i don't recall her dialog being constantly worried and sad about everything
The og is light on dialogue so one can almost project anything they want onto characters. Even ignoring what's lost in translation.

At the very least, it's not like the interpretation came out of nowhere. She lost her mom, abandoned by friends, clings onto cloud, breaks down without him, is jealous.

But I don't necessarily like the anime acting either, but to me that's less about the character itself, and more about being anime.

>>3830327
>Everyone in this thread seems white
Wow, that's really kind of you. Thanks!

>>3830332
Forgot to mention to whole uncertainty about Cloud's/their past and whether to tell him. Lockheart.

>>3830333
wasted trips being a fat white girl in a diaper isn't a compliment.

>>3830327
>Everyone in this thread seems white
>I had mixed feelings about the original FF7, but I found the remakes incredible
Stopped reading here

>>3830507
What? You are going from a compliment to attempted ABDL ERP? No thank you, sir, not interested.

>>3830327
>insufferable weeaboo

Post disregarded.

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>>3830147
>Not having the story acted out by deformed early 3D dolls probably helps
there is literally more emotion in this moment than there is in anything in the remakes THOUGH.
https://youtu.be/jrPP9HzmPPQ?feature=shared&t=99
red howling in sadness, yuffie trying to hold it together and failing before sobbing into cloud's chest, it's so much more powerful than any stupid voice acted melodramatic monologue could ever give, and it's why modern rpgs bomb fucking hard compared to old ones.
meanwhile, the fucking remake gives us dogshit like picrel.

>>3830617
I'm not white, I am not going to conform to your white dullbrown standards nor am I going to play dubbed shit.

>>3830649
>thinks only whites can be weebs
lmao

>>3830649
>I'm not white
Stopped reading here

>>3830289
They don't actually reuse that many assets from the first game. Every main character model was redone completely. Pointless spending.

>>3830120
>flenderized
You dont know what flanderized means, retard. FF7 characters in ff7 remake were given depth, they are not just one note character.
Tifa now HAS a presence outside of cloud. Barret is not always angry. Cloud and Aerith are more or less the same. Red XIII, like tifa, now HAS presence.

>>3830758
>They don't actually reuse that many assets from the first game. Every main character model was redone completely.
They did move to a new gen of consoles

>>3831275
This!!!!! Cait Sith was a nothing burger before the incident.

Also it's funny seeing Cloud's stoicism broken.

>>3831275
>Tifa now HAS a presence outside of cloud
No she doesn't, except now she's a whiny bitch but I wouldn't call that depth.

>>3831275
me when i haven't played ff7

>>3831275
>FF7 characters in ff7 remake were given depth
Stopped reading here

>>3831275
Extended crossdressing scenes that blatantly pander to the LGBTQP+ crowd is not depth.

They shrank Tifa’s tits, so the game objectively has less depth now.

>>3836997
They also nullified aerith's ass. I mean she was always petite but c'mon, that was uncalled for.

>>3830134
Mexicans and people who think things like the new Aerith cutscene are epic

>>3838732
>Aerith
I will continue to use “Aeris” just like I will continue to use “Kiev”

>>3838744
>Kiev
How else would you be spelling it?

>>3838744
using "aerith" is a fucking self report
i ignore anyone who calls her that

>>3830276
Tifa never actually started work. She had to "interview" with Don Corneo first, which is very explicitly mentioned. You intervene at this point. Stop speed-reading.

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It's the way that have to draw out and call attention to everything so hard. Original has Red walking funny in a soldiers uniform. It's amusing but just off to the side. Remake? REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME! OMG SO FUNNEH WE NEED TO DO MICHAEL JACKSON DANCE! DID YOU SEE IT!! I don't want to pretend like the original was subtle but there was this sense that it didn't feel like it needed to shout.

>>3839065
>Remake? REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME! OMG SO FUNNEH WE NEED TO DO MICHAEL JACKSON DANCE! DID YOU SEE IT!!
The game doesnt do this. It is set up before, it doesnt come out of nowhere, red xiii needs to pass as a human to let him play cards and it properly presents it. Gives red xiii a more funny side because hes not necessarily "joking", but they add some genuine funny stuff like the kid crying and the mom being like "it cant hurt you"
The original tries to pretend red xiii passes lmao its funny but it doesnt even make much sense

Then again, you faggots complain about anything that wasnt in the origianl, and when it is, you complain it is "way too much" or some shit.

>>3830147
>Not having the story acted out by deformed early 3D dolls probably helps.
Nope. Just wrong. The FF7 models are highly expressive and effective actors despite the limitations. Even brain-fried zoomers appreciate the original FF7 if they ever give it a chance.

>>3831275
>ff7 remake were given depth
cringe fan fiction verbosity is not depth

>>3838910
I assume everyone who calls her Aerith sucks dicks, loves reddit humor and doesn't understand language.

>>3830120

That´s not news anon.

>>3839102
It used to be a contemporaneous weeb thing in the 90s, “um akshually if you look at the origin kanji”. Nowadays id just assume it’s a zoomer that only played the “remakes” and not the original game.

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>>3839094
>The game doesnt do this.
Picrel scene in the remake is a case study in over-the-top cringe and cliche melodrama. It's terrible.

In the original, this is a shocking turning-point in the story. The party follows the trail of blood to the office of the heretofore primary antagonist of the story, only to find him dead with a huge Sephiroth Katana sticking out of his back. All achieved with a single still image and suspenseful setup.

The remake has this long and painfully generic scene where Barrett rants at Shinra and Shinra retorts an evil villain spiel ("I take what I want!"). This shit goes on roughly forever and builds to the dramatic moment when Shinra is about to shoot Barrett and suddenly Masamune pops through his chest. Turns out Sephiroth was hiding outside the camera angle so nobody (including Barrett) saw him appear. Then Sephiroth stabs Barrett, Dementors show up and then Sephiroth does some ridiculous poses and his famous slow walk as an absurd spectacle of anime graphical nonsense swirls around him.

>>3839094
>It is set up before, it doesnt come out of nowhere,

I didn't say it was either you illiterate retard. I said it was overly attention grabbing and turned a 1 second off to the side joke into a whole dedicated scene. Good fucking, with reading comprehension like this no wonder you'd defend the remake.

>>3839065
FF7 only exists in the way it does thanks to the limitations of the 90's. AC already made that abundantly clear.

>>3830120
NOOOOOOOOOOO THEY WERE ALWAYS LIKE THIS IN THE ORIGINAL

ngl I actually find it hilarious the FF community with the most gaslighting is FF7. like obviously it's this one.

>>3839101
>verbosity is not depth

I feel like this is something that's become a huge problem in the past few decades. At some point people got the idea in their heads that for a character to be complex or interesting you have to have them constantly talking and filling you in on every superfluous detail when the truth was the older games often conveyed more information and personality with a simple gesture at the right time. The adage of less being more always rang true.

>>3830134
Crisis Core was dumb, too.

>>3839102
>is tied to the Planet
>job class is more or less Geomancer
>name is supposed to be a corruption of the word Earth
>"B-but my poorly translated dub!"

>>3839166
The more they try to expand FF7 the more retarded it gets. I don't know if it's just Nomrua's eternal 14 year old but fucking hell. It's not like the original was especially complicated. Dude chases other dude. There's some pseudo religious fuckery with the life stream but that's not a hard swallow and Cloud thinks he's Zack is as weird as it gets. When Sephiroth goes all ONE WINGED ANGEL I just as soon took as the same kind of shit that happens with all JRPG bosses looking weird.

>>3839166
>>job class is more or less Geomancer
Stopped reading here.

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>>3839166
>there exists a "correct" translation of an arbitrary proper name
Just stop digging.

>>3839130
Thank you for putting into words what I've been feeling for years. Sometimes a single sketch of character art can communicate a whole backstory in our heads, our brains are adept at filling out the blanks.

>>3838922
>my waifu totally isn't a w-whore please stop reminding people!!!

>>3838910
Calling Aeris "Aerith" is like people who Twitter "X".

>>3838922
He was talking abou the Honey Bee Inn scene from an alpha version of FF7.
Way to out yourself as a fake fan.

>>3839166
me when im a zoomer
shut up compilation cum guzzler

>>3839478
actually great analogy

>>3839480
>He was talking abou the Honey Bee Inn scene from an alpha version of FF7.
Localized entirely within your imagination?
May we see it?

>>3839123
>In the original, this is a shocking turning-point in the story. The party follows the trail of blood to the office of the heretofore primary antagonist of the story, only to find him dead with a huge Sephiroth Katana sticking out of his back. All achieved with a single still image and suspenseful setup.
Why was the katana left behind?
Why was palmer hiding behind the pillar like if it was some sort of cartoon?
Where did sephiroth go to begin with?

>The remake has this long and painfully generic scene where Barrett rants at Shinra and Shinra retorts an evil villain spiel
It was a point explored in the entire game you retard, the speech wasnt just "some evil villain speech", it was literally telling the point that Shinra being the leader and stuff is just because people let them and Shinra just collects. It also establishes that Barret just wants to be a hero and doesnt have a real backup plan to support people's needs. Whos the one that gonna power up the people? Barret? with what?

Like, did all of this went over your head or something?

>>3839130
Thats a really wrong conclusion. Depth is given by establishing it, not just coming up with it with headcanon, as you are doing right now.
The reality is that older games conveyed more information JUST because they say everything. Theres no camera angles, theres no voice acting, tone changes, or body language. Its all a text that explains what the characters are feeling in the most direct way.
Modern games in general take more time because the text isnt doing all the job. People dont just say what they feel most of the time, its all hidden behind subtext and body language.

Example: Aerith telling Cloud the flowers have a message.
In the remake the camera shows you Aerith tensing up, her scared face, the voice tone, and the dialogue isnt direct.
If this was in the original, it would be a single text that says "The flowers/planet have given me a mission, but i cant tell you right now".

>>3839623
>Thats a really wrong conclusion. Depth is given by establishing it, not just coming up with it with headcanon, as you are doing right now.

Well here's the thing, I don't disagree with you. Depth does need to come from actual depth but my point, if I failed to convey it, was that older games, for a variety of reasons, could say less so they had to be more economic and focus on WHAT to say and HOW to say it. You can look at something like the Trails series and characters will talk up and down, repeat stuff till their blue in the face, give you loads of superfluous information about the cast and the world but none of it really matters. It just results in a more bloated, overly verbose narrative that takes ten paragraphs to relay enough information to fill two. Though I'll admit that's also an extreme example.

>>3839656
>You can look at something like the Trails series and characters will talk up and down
Yeah, the trails series, the persona series and in reality a lot of JRPGs have a LOT of filler dialogue, as if they take turns to say something about whats happening. However i dont get why is this being brought in remake/rebirth, since the dialogue doesnt behave like this.

you guys gotta remember that modern audiences prefer exposition dumping/"tell don't show." the more explicit something is the better. also there has to be constant spectacle dopamine hits.

>>3839621
>Why was palmer hiding behind the pillar
Palmer is a coward and heard someone coming. Why wouldn't he hide?
>Where did sephiroth go to begin with?
This is essentially the main theme of the whole next chapter of the story. "Where did he go?" "Was it really Sephiroth?" Are exactly the questions this scene is supposed to raise. Note that by this point in the original story, Sephiroth has not even been fully introduced.
>Like, did all of this went over your head or something?
It's tediously laying out mundane, implicit shit that shouldn't need to be verbalized at all. Explaining is not the same as "establishing." Barret's character is established by his actions throughout the story.

I will grant that it's not an apples/apples comparison, because the original is just the climax of Act I, while the remake has this near the end of the game. But the point remains that the scene is full of padding and cringe.

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>>3839623
>Modern games in general take more time because the text isnt doing all the job. People dont just say what they feel most of the time, its all hidden behind subtext and body language.
First of all, this is silly and ignores the entire reason why FF7 has those famous blocky character models in the first place. They were designed specifically to be expressive. Characters shrug, scratch their heads, laugh, shake their fists in anger, clutch their head in pain.. the list goes on and on. Their heads, arms, hands and legs do all the work. Square knew what they were doing.

Modern games employ much more realistic models but that's also why modern games tend to suck so much more. They rely on movie-style dialog, acting, and direction, but do not have the top-quality writers, actors and directors. FF7r has some of the best 3D models and animators I've ever seen and they're still not out of the uncanny valley yet. Instead of tastefully trying to minimize how much nauseating """acting""" from 3D models the player is forced to endure, Zoomers apparently love this garbage and so games are just crammed full of it.

>>3839696
>why FF7 has those famous blocky character models in the first place
Callback to the chibi sprites of NES/SNES games. That’s why the field map and battle map models had different proportions.

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>>3839699
>Callback
It's not a "Callback." The blocky FF7 sprites don't actually look anything like SNES-style chibi sprites. If anything, by conservative Japanese standards, it was ambitious for Square to even use 3D models at all in 1997. Other RPGs at the time still used 2D sprites. Wild Arms had 3D models for the battle system only. Breath of Fire III, Vandal Hearts, Final Fantasy Tactics, and Xenogears all used 2D sprites.

FF7 sprites are designed with the following priorties:
- Need to render many models on screen simultaneously, in a quasi-3D space where the models could be near or distant.
- This means low polygon counts.
- Model animations must by comprehensible and expressive.
- The models, Cloud especially, should pop out and be easily visible to the player.

To make animations comprehensible at low polygon resolution, hands and feet were made oversized. To make Cloud pop out more he was given his famous blonde, spiky hair. The asymmetric spikes of his hair even helped indicate Cloud's orientation to the player. Note that while FF8 had realistic proportions, FF9 went back to gigantic hands on everyone. The difference is that in FF9, they oriented the entire art style of the game around those warped proportions.

>>3839755
>To make Cloud pop out more he was given his famous blonde, spiky hair.
This might be why I don't really like the look of the remakes in general. I'm repeating myself a lot but it's too anime to be realistic and too realistic to be anime. Cloud just comes out looking kind of strange. And I can't take the divide between him being serious all the time yet forced to do stupid shit. This pill swallowed fine when they looked like lego but even as far back as Advent Children it just looked off.

>>3839791
I don’t hate necessarily dislike Remake’s character design but I did always think it was unfortunate that AC basically redefined the visual style of FF7 in its entirety moving forward. It had a different vibe to it since.

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>>3839797
Kingdom Hearts didn't help matters either. In the actual game Cloud really is a very different character to how he would later be interpreted. He's not the cool stoic badass. He's a goober who gets carsick pretending to be the stoic badass.

>>3839680
>It's tediously laying out mundane, implicit shit that shouldn't need to be verbalized at all. Explaining is not the same as "establishing." Barret's character is established by his actions throughout the story.
But it isnt explained directly, you can see it through barret actions. Hes obsessed with the cameras, to make Avalanche look good and be a hero. Thats the point President shinra tries to make "why say that avalanche isnt tied to Wutai, you could have told me to shut the reactors off".

>>3830120
I know this thread is talking about the remakes, but how do anons feel about the earlier entries to the "anthology"? Ive been playing through them for shits and giggles.
>Advent Children
Its pretty but yeah the story is pretty shit. Everything people say about it building up the Cloud/Sephiroth dynamic in a weirdly mythological way and upped cloud's emo-ness was totally right. Still fun to watch as a spectacle.
>Dirge of Cerberus
Its honestly hilarious how hard this game is trying to be devil may cry and failing. I dont mind the backstory bits in the game, and the returning FF7 cast honestly feel closer to themselves than they did in AC, but man deepground fucking suck.
>Crisis Core
playing this now, about halfway through. Zack feels on brand with the little we have seen of him, but holy shit genesis and angeal are so melodramatic and gay it makes Organization XII look subtle. I cringe whenever theyre on screen
>Before Crisis
Im having enough fun that Im gonna put the shitty rpgmaker demake of this game on my vita and play it too. Very curious to eventually see how this 2000s stuff feels against the remakes. Thank you for coming to my blogpost.

>>3830280
>OG Cloud: cool teenage boy power fantasy
did you even play the game?

for me its the walk n talk and moviegame qualities. the appeal of older JRPGs is the interface. i want a system that I am in control of at all times. I don't want to sit through cutscenes & dialogue with the controller jammed up my ass

>>3840477
>checked
The only worthwhile FF7-adjacent piece of media is the PSX original.

>>3840477
I have never interacted with the compilation directly lol
>Advent Children
I watched it as a kid, didnt like it that much and i dont remember anything about it other than "wow, cloud and sephiroth again". I havent watched it again and i dont want to, but i like the idea of geostigma, Cloud guilt (even if made him regress its character a little) and the dark/depressing tone of the movie. Rufus surviving was bad though, i dont know why. The turks are too buddy/buddy with avalanche and im sure there are more problems with the movie writing or presentation that i cant address because i havent watched it again, but people that watched it says its meh and i believe them.
>Dirge of Cerberus
I havent played it. I like Vincent as a whole and i like the idea of a videogame as him, but the tsviets feel so out of nowhere, why dont just make him new villains instead of "super soldiers that were always there in the OG but you never knew". I remember reading something about omega weapon / another weapon that are basically "the planet way to be reborn somewhere else " (like, omega weapon kills everyone, and the other weapon collects the lifestream and fucks off to another planet), i dont know that sounds like the coolest shit ever but maybe not for FF7.
>Crisis Core
I like the idea of a "zack game" to fill the gaps of what happened in the past and to expand Sephiroth character a little, but again, it tries to mess with the original game way too much. I feel like thats the problem with the compilation in general
>Before Crisis
Never played it, dont know much about it. But ive seen people like this one more than the others, im curious now, hopefully one day we get a remake sort-of.

>>3840568
>it tries to mess with the original game way too much. I feel like thats the problem with the compilation in general
To expand with this, i feel like they try too much to take whats something in the original and expand it WAY too much that it messes with what the OG introduced.

Example: the tsievts. I havent played DoC but i do know that Hojo supposedely still lives in a computer and he inserts himself into Weiss, so basically Weiss is hojo. And that deepground was hojo doing and everything was him.
How about this, instead? hojo just died, but there was this other scientist that tried to continue Hojo doing through the tsivets. Like, deepground was Hojo's idea but he rejected it because too unstable, but this other scientist took his work and continued his legacy. New villains inspired by past works its more natural. Rewrite the script to be not 2 or 3 years after the og but make it...5 years or so, a normal timespan for the tsviets to be born. Make it more like vincent has a chance to finally stop what was done to him/the planet for not being able to stop hojo when he could.

>>3840477
AC has some nice fight sequences but doesn’t portray the characters particularly well, also began the shitty “emo Cloud” era. DoC just sucks as a game. CC is decent and Zack is likeable enough, but the game also adds some unneeded nonsense. BC I never played.

>>3839601
>finished alpha content is not canon!!!
I'm sorry your waifu is busy getting her pussy blown out by a five customer gangbang right now anon, come back later.

>>3840477
AC is fucking atrocious. It's literally just fan service with horrendous character/costume design and shitty fight choreography. At least it it functions as the perfect early/mid 2000s time capsule (peak sleek emo era) but that's about it.

>>3840568
Half the shit with the FF7 extended universe is in JP onry novels which makes all the games feel weird and disjointed.

I strongly believe that game stories should be self contained and not need outside literature to be understood.

>>3830620
The Rebirth debacle made me respect retro games more. Before I was a firm believer in the idea that better graphics = better game.

>>3842150
>it was real in my mind
I accept your concession.

>>3839123
Why does Sephiroth even "kill" Barret anyway? Did they just have to contrive some way to only have three party members for the next boss fight?

>>3840477
Advent Children is pretty dumb. It turns Cloud into a brooding loner, Reno into a retard, magics Rufus back to life and makes him a completely different character, makes Barret into a fucking oil baron, etc.

I will say that Rufus shitting on Kadaj with "A good son would have known" was great, though.

>>3843009
>Did they just have to contrive some way to only have three party members for the next boss fight?
Literally this, yes.

>>3843010#
>makes Barret into a fucking oil baron, etc.

It will never not be hilarious to me that they turned the biggest eco-terrorist in the world, whose whole motivation was to stop the exploitation of planety resources, into a guy who makes money by extracting oil.

>>3840477
Me again, finished crisis core. Its incredibly campy and genesis and angeal suck but I had a lot of fun with it, its a solid game even if it detracts from 7's original story in many ways.
>>3843266
I also autistically read the light novel "on the way to a smile" and in it theres big sections with Syd and Barrett about going back to the ancient technology of oil because its so much better for the planet than taking its mako, its fucking ridiculous.

>>3843266
>>3843273
North Corel's whole backstory was a wholesome coal town being wrecked by the evil mako (nuclear) company. The 90s were super autistic over anything related to nuclear power.

>>3830252
No, people are fucking stupid. It's not translated by an ESL this time so they're throwing a shitfit.

>>3839657
P4 and especially P5 become very annoying in their second halves because it feels like every party member has to chime in on every event or talking point, when half of them have nothing interesting to say. At least with P3 the party members still do things on occasion without the MC around so you don't have the whole Scooby gang giving commentary in every scene.

>>3842817
The weird part is I can't even stand the graphics in the remakes either. Wasn't so bad in Game 1 but Rebirth particularily has a very generic Unreal 4/5 engine vibe. From a lot of the assets to the lighting and grass and terrain, it does't even feel like FF7 to me. It looks like they just plopped HD FF7 models into a preset U5 world. Graphical identity > fidality.

>>3843273
>>3843279
Nah that's just Japan specifically having a troubled relationship with nuclear power. I mean if two nukes wiped out two of your biggest and ancient metropolises in one swoop, coal and oil extraction doesn't seem so harmful in comparison.

>>3843273
Starting Before Crisis rn, its ugly as sin but its fucking amazing a fan went through the effort of making it. We can get the whole story of this japanese cell phone came from 2003 completely in english because one autist translated it and another autist years later rebuilt it in rpgmaker, now I can just load it on my fucking vita.

Lots of negativity in here. I suppose you guys are gonna skip the 3rd game when it releases?

>>3843283
>it's the translation
stupidest post I've read today

>>3844048
Buddy, I haven’t played the first “remake” and never will

>>3844068
Same, I just watched enough gameplay footage to confirm it was garbage.

The Remakes are cool. I like them fleshing out the characters and the combat is great. Story is ass though, I hate how Corel Prison was done this time around.

>>3844075
>>3844068
lmao you morons

Magnify + Manawall, Steelskin, and then Lifesaver.

Barret never leaves my party.

the zack and cloud battle in the end was AC kino

I was blown away by FF7 Remake but I also got the game for free. Haven't played Rebirth yet because I can't run it and don't own PS5, but I don't care about the time ghosts story and am dreading Square turning Sephiroth into a good guy all along

>>3843332
Finished it, was kind of cool. Almost made me give a shit about the Turks. Now time to finish that stupid light novel and Im done with the pre-remake compilation completely

>>3844700
The storytelling is objectively terrible and a massive downgrade from the original. Don't care what the gameplay is like when the game is so full of cutscenes and barely even covers a 3rd of the story.

>>3845315
Midgar is not even 10% of the original game.

>>3846777
I don't know why they decided to make an entire game based around the portion everyone wants to get through fast

>>3839623
>Its all a text that explains what the characters are feeling in the most direct way.
you're so fucking institutionalized that you cant even detect when media is giving you a sensation

>>3839657
>However i dont get why is this being brought in remake/rebirth, since the dialogue doesnt behave like this.
because the games that do this sell. modern audiences are distracted to their core, they need distractions from their distractions.

>>3839755
>Xenogears all used 2D sprites
mechs are 3d you heartless coward

>>3840483
>the appeal of older JRPGs is the interface. i want a system that I am in control of at all times
yeah, i have to admit menuing about FF7Rs felt pretty good, actually way better in Remake than Rebirth. Remake is straight up a better game. But yeah the walk and talk bullshit needs to GO, give me a cutscene if you want to exposit, its ok. but yeah i should only feel like control is ceded if there is a real spectacle going on. this slow walk shit has got to go

>>3846834
>you're so fucking institutionalized
All I wanted was a Pepsi.

>>3846827
Because it's the most memorable part of FF7.

>>3830120
This garbage was made by sweetbaby.

>>3843279
>mining
>wholesome

It's literally one of the most gruesome and physically debillitating works in human history, usually reserved for slaves and captives.
I'd say it's on par with working on an oil rig but at least there you get paid well.

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>>3846827
midgar was the best part for a lot of people. there isn't anything like it in other games

>>3848702
My point still stands. When you mention FF7 to anyone, the most likely first imagine in their mind is gonna be something like Cloud standing sonewhere in Midgard. It is the most memorable gameplay bit of the game.

>>3849765
>When you mention FF7 to anyone, the most likely first imagine in their mind is gonna be something like the picture on the cover of the game.

>>3830237
In the original FF7, Barret's story drops off post Corel Prison. He offers nothing after that point. So, comedic relief is giving him something to do.

>>3830237
>>3850216
I dont know how can you say barret is just comedic relif. He's leading the party when Cloud is not able to, and he slaps Cloud around to get his shit together constantly, takes decisions and acts more in tune with his role of "parent" of avalanche than ever before.
Sure, he's jokes around but in serious scenes he doesnt joke around.

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>>3850323
Not to mention that Barret's motivations drive the primary conflict for the entire Midgar segment. He's basically the most important character to the plot during Act I. He fades in relevance because the main story ultimately isn't about him it's about Cloud (and Tifa).

>>3830120
To this day I have no idea why Zack is on the cover of this game when he is barely relevant in the plot of Rebirth. We all thought he'd have this big place in the story but he doesn't, and in NG+ you can even choose to remove his scenes entirely.

This thread is full of retards who are bitching about how the Remakes ruined the characters while revealing they didn't even understand the characters in the original to begin with.
Perfect representation of 4chan.

>>3839862
This always drives me nuts. In FF7, besides his freak outs, SOLDIER Cloud acts like a normal dude. He's not shy, he's very talkative, he makes jokes, he doesn't freak when Aerith flirts with him.
He's also a moody dick (Who cares?)

AC and on makes him this silent brooder.

Tifa's still hot as fuck so I can't complain.
>but titty nerf and censoring
They're F cups and the black sports bra accentuates them.

>>3851371
>but titty nerf and censoring
It's a matter of principle, anon.

>>3850216
>He offers nothing after that point.
I miss when games would just let party members fuck off if they didn't have anything to add. So often characters just hang around too long and only ever get pointless fluff dialogue that just makes scenes go on too long.

>>3851474
Hell they added Amarant in ff9 and forgot to give him a story that even begins much less drops off

>>3830134
Normies. It's made for normies who never actually liked the originals all that much beyond an extremely surface level and just want to clap at familiar images. This has been a thing throughout history, Medieval normies will still writing flanderized stories about Greek heroes.

>>3849794
Yeah? Thanks for agreeing to my point.

>>3839862
>>3850664
One thing I still don't understand is why he acts like a broody edgelord post-Niebelheim incident. I thought it was because they shattered his psyche and basically transplanted a lot of Zack's memories and skills onto him, which he wears as a mask, but Zack is nothing like that at all. He's a fun loving chad, not a brooding asshole.

>>3850442
Tifa doesn't play a role at all in the entire story of FF7. She has 0 connection to Sephiroth.

The only two people having any meaningful connection are Zach and Sephiroth with Cloud just being an annoying extra that capitalized on a weakened Sephiroth, otherwise he wouldn't even know his name.

>>3851551
>Tifa doesn't play a role at all in the entire story of FF7. She has 0 connection to Sephiroth.
Stopped reading here

>>3851552
Sorry anon, Aerith is the only waifu of importance.
Gainsbros keep winning.

>>3851557
>Aerith
Stopped reading here.

>>3850662
Some time ago Nomura said that people perception of ff7 is all around the place and they basically have their own interpretations and memories regarding the game since it has been like 25 years, and hes kinda right.
Example? Tifa. People always mention how "insecure" she is in the game, but if you check her dialogue shes anything but insecure. People just took the "lockhart" part (which is related to her keeping secrets from Cloud) and extended it to her whole character, like shes afraid to act or say anything at all, and thats simply not true. This only happens when you get the highwind and Cloud is missing, Tifa says it herself how "depressed" she is now. Remake took that made it into her character: she's a people pleaser, she doesnt want people to suffer as she still has PTSD from nibelheim, and isnt sure about avalanche actions.

>>3851550
Because Cloud was a broody egdelord as a kid. And he sees Sephiroth as the coolest thing ever. So his SOLDIER identity is Cloud with Zack's accomplishments and mannerisms, but his own personality of what he thinks is cool.

Cloud is a 90s teenager living out what he thinks a badass superhero is. Which is a stoic too cool for school badass. He acts like this in Midgar, but gets used to the party afterwards and starts acting comfortable with the party. But then Sephiroth ruins everything

>>3851371
Yeah she's still incredibly sexy and it's telling how new fans still lust over her and pick her out as their fave 25 years later.
Guys want to bang her and use her picture on everything, and all the Girls love her and cosplay as her because she's a babe who can fight hand to hand.

>>3851551
>Tifa doesn't play a role at all in the entire story of FF7
She's the most important female character in the story. She's the one who brings Cloud out of his psychosis, and to do that she had to mature and overcome her own issues with shyness and passivity.
>>3851557
Aeris is the mature, paragon character. She begins the story fully developed (for the most part), as a mature character. She has experience, wisdom, purpose and resolve. She's the Mentor Archetype in the form of a waifu. She's the Obi-Wan Kenobi of FF7. She dies to make way for Cloud and Tifa.

>>3851579
>if you check her dialogue shes anything but insecure.
Not true at all.
On multiple occasions she's very hesitant to confront Cloud about anything related to their history or to be open about her own feelings (whatever they might be). The Golden Saucer dates are probably the easiest place to see the contrast between Aeris and Tifa in terms of confidence.

Just beacause the narrative isn't constantly beating you over the head reminding the player what her key character traits are, doesn't mean they aren't there. It just means the older story was more tasteful.

>>3851483
It's a fairly widespread problem I like 9 but I'll gladly admit Amrant is pointless and even Freya probably could have stayed behind after a point.

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>>3851679
I kind of get the impression that different parts of the game had different writers. And perhaps this might be an issue in the translation.

>>3830120
>flanderizes every character
So every one of them is now Belgian?

Any recommended mods for the original game. Last time I played it I did it on the original hardware and loved it, but I thought it might be fun to play again on my steamdeck with all the fancy bells and whistles of fan mods.

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>>3851698
OP is a tvtropes fag.

>>3851956
>nooooo you must use our sekret klub 4choon approved lingo only!!!!
Signs you need to touch grass:

>>3851970
You need thicker skin.

>>3839217
>Healing Wind
>Breath of the Earth
>Planet Protector
>"During the development of Final Fantasy VII, Aeris was to have the Geomancer class, but in the finished product is not specified as having a job. As a Cetra, Aeris can commune with the planet, and many of her Limit Breaks manifest as her drawing power from the earth."

>>3851990
White mage.

>>3851979
Says the one who gets offended at words.

>>3852034
Just admit defeat you obnoxious contrarian.

>>3851930
Try "New Threat", it actually makes the combat challenging and meaningful.

>>3851579
Bad example, if you look through the dialog in OG7 she very much WAS super demure and melancholic all the way through. The only time she spoke out was when she called Barret a "retard", but that has been sternly burried in every rerelease every since because muh bad language.

>>3830120
I didn’t play FF7 until I was in my mid 20s and for reference it was sometime between the release of 10 and 12. I think because I didn’t play it at a younger age I didn’t take it quite as seriously. That’s not to say I didn’t love it, I just recognized it for what it was, an anime for teenagers. Again, nothing wrong with that, it’s just things like Cait Sith or Red 13 dressing like a soldier are inherently light hearted so I didn’t have this vision of it being as dark and serious as some of the fans seem to remember it.

Fast forward to Remake and Rebirth. To me Final Fantasy is more about the characters and music than anything else for me and I got a lot more of that along with a combat system that I felt did a pretty good job of updating the original.

Speaking of combat, it’s something else that wasn’t very novel imo as I’d already been playing other games in the series and thought 6 and 10 were better in that respect.

I know there’s a lot of heated opinions about the Remake trilogy, but I don’t think they’re the abominations they’re often framed as. The original is sort of like a novel where your imagination fills in a lot of the details and for me and had I played it at the time it came out, my head cannon would probably be closer to Blade Runner than a Saturday morning cartoon.

>>3852325
>Just admit defeat you obnoxious contrarian.
Mate, I played FF7 when it came out, and I was on the internet in the mid-late 90s, and I have literally never heard anyone call Aeris a geomancer, ever. I think you may be the contrarian here.
>Healing Wind
Heal allies. White magic.
>Seal Evil
Silence and paralyze enemies. Ambiguous, usually silence is white magic and paralyze is black magic.
>Breath of the Earth
Heals party of negative statuses. White magic.
>Fury Brand
Fills others' limit breaks. Not directly a white magic spell since it's unique to 7, but she's taking her action, and rather than damaging or disabling enemies, she's buffing and enabling allies. Fits thematically with white mage.
>Planet Protector
Temporary invincibility. White magic.
>Pulse of Life
Refills HP/HP and cures status. White magic.
>Great Gospel
Refills HP/MP, temporary invincibility. White magic.
>HOLY
White magic.
She is clearly the party's white mage, with some nature flavor in ther ability names. Absolutely none of her abilities fit with geomancer abilities, which are all elemental damage, instant kills, or proportional HP damage.

>>3851956
>Thinks TVtropes invented the phrase flanderize
Next you're gonna tell me they also invented Jumping the Shark. This is all old school network head jargon, jr

>>3852372
FF7's fanbase is 90% held up by nostalgia, ain't nobody having a hankering for replaying those slow ass Shinra tower sections or the temple of the ancients bit. FF7 lives and dies by its aesthetics, not it's boring gameplay.

>>3850442
>>3851674

Waifu autist/self-insert shipfag detected

>It's another "Remake wasn't actually a faithful Remake, but instead crams in everything FF7 related to appeal to everyone while playing with expectations and I must seethe in disappointment" episode
Yawn. Things aren't gonna' change no matter how many times people share their grievances about it. The Monkey's paw finger already curled, so either go with the flow or give up on it.

>>3852324
delusional too

>>3853789
Buddy, I gave up on Squaresoft after 10.

>>3852551
>FF7's fanbase is 90% held up by nostalgia
No, it's held up by modern games being so trash that people have to go back that far to find anything with a modicum of soul.

>>3852372
>I didn’t have this vision of it being as dark and serious as some of the fans seem to remember it.
It wasn't viewed that way at the time, either.
There were some concerns among series' fans based on the marketing, that it would be overly bleak and edgy. But the actual game proved those concerns unfounded.
>Speaking of combat, it’s something else that wasn’t very novel imo as I’d already been playing other games in the series and thought 6 and 10 were better in that respect.
7 is better than 6 in many ways, although it takes more than the absolute most surface-level take to understand why.
>>3852526
Guarantee that's where OP got it from. That's why he got so intensely assblasted over the rather mild observation.

>>3853875
As one rightfully should.

>>3853883
>totalitarian cyberpunk megacorp ruining the planet
>machine guns and motorbikes
>black leather everywhere
>big oil razing towns who stand in the way of their expansions
>holocaust scientist doing inhumane experiments
>dying planet
>drugs and prostitution themes
>big bad genocides a whole village due to his illusions
>global coporate cover-ups of genocides
>main character literally suffering from PTSD and mental breakdowns
>ending is ambiguous about the fate of humans

Just because you had green RPG grass zones and scenes of levity inbetween doesn't mean FF7 was pretty dark in tone and subtext.

>>3853883
>heh, you're still mad
Beat it kid, you're the one who has this weird issue with words in common parlance.

>>3854802
FF6 had a world-changing cataclysm halfway through the game.

>>3830120
I didn't care for it myself, but the CGI porn with yuffie that came out of this was worth it. Lost so much seed over her and that cute voice.

>>3854807
Yeah but FF7 was 90s edgy from the get-go.

>>3850659
>I have no idea why Zack is on the cover of this game
For the same reason this entire game exists in the first place: fan service.

>>3854819
>worst character porn
You could've chosen Scarlet but you chose flatchest cringe girl...

>>3850659
Zack barely playdd a role in the first game, most of what little we got about his back story is optional and entirely missable. No idea why everyone fanboys so fucking much over him.

>>3856269
>Zack barely playdd a role in the first game, most of what little we got about his back story is optional and entirely missable. No idea why everyone fanboys so fucking much over him.
I dislike this term, but it's appropriate in this case. Secondaries. There's a difference between people who just played FF7, and people who played the "FF7 extended universe"

>>3856269
>what little we got
That's why. People wanted more.

>>3856323
>People wanted more.
*monkey's paw curls*

>>3855318
Yes, but it retained a significant degree of the silly humor typical of Final Fantasy as well as a varied and tasteful color palette with fully-realized 3D animations of many classic effects. It wasn't nearly as dark as it could have been. Contrast with movies like The Matrix or even Final Fantasy: Spirits Within to see how much more bleak and dreary the game could have been.

>>3856338
Yeah.
Zack is not that important to the original story. He was a real SOLDIER, was plowing Aeris, rescued Cloud from Hojo, and died. That's about it. But because there was so little about him, that left lots of room for imagination and fan obsession (especially girlfans). So the Crisis Core fan fiction elaborated on Zack and made him more important.

>>3856493
>that left lots of room for imagination
It really didn't though. Outside of being part of Soldier there's not really anything else going on. Maybe some vagueries about that war with Wutei but you'd be forgiven for forgetting that was even a plot point.
>So the Crisis Core
Crisis Core and all the spinoffs were pure wank.

>>3856502
>It really didn't though. Outside of being part of Soldier there's not really anything else going on. Maybe some vagueries about that war with Wutei but you'd be forgiven for forgetting that was even a plot point.y
I think people wanted to get to know the character himself, not necessarily interested in plot points.

>>3856502
>It really didn't though.
Imagination is imagination. You don't need much that's the point. You could even omit the entire optional scene with Zack and Cloud and there'd still be enough for fangirls to imagine all kinds of ridiculous details about Zack.
>Crisis Core and all the spinoffs were pure wank.
I already called it fan fiction.
We're in violent agreement.

>>3856269
He was Cloud's best friend who he based his fake feats off of. He was the typical hero except he died before the game started because he protected the protagonist. He has ties to Aerith and Tifa. Of course people would be interested in knowing more about him.

>>3856524
Do you think Zack sucked Cloud's femboy toes?

>>3856519
>Imagination is imagination. You don't need much that's the point. You could even omit the entire optional scene with Zack and Cloud and there'd still be enough for fangirls to imagine all kinds of ridiculous details about Zack.
As mentioned before in this thread, the human brain is amazing in filling the gaps. It's crazy how little you can tell the audience about a character and they'll become obsessed over it if what little is given strikes a certain chord.
I wish more JRPGs would do that instead of having character autistically comment on every thing happening in the game and pretending "that's character".

>>3856834
>I wish more JRPGs would do that instead of having character autistically comment on every thing happening in the game and pretending "that's character".
Are you comparing zack to actual party member characters?