Why does this game have such good stories?Played this as a single player RPG and it BTFO every other (rpg) game I've played.Anybody else agree? Am I retarded? (Don't answer that)Maybe rec some non-fantasy RPGs with similar featuresPosting here since I don't really care about the MMO side of the game, I just like doing the quests and dressing up my character for my headcanons
Because some suit wanted to make this a major flagship breaktrough MMO defining the next decade of gaming. Not even exaggerating here. Thats why they pumped obscene amounts of money into the development (at that time).Also objectively everything after Rise of the Cuck Cartel was absolute ass storywise.
>>3831249>Why does this game have such good stories?they vary wildly. what I found amusing is force classes are at their best when you play with the opposite alignment for some reason.
>>3831249>Played this as a single player RPG and it BTFO every other (rpg) game I've played.You don't like RPGs, you like cutscenes and dialgoue trees. It's a fucking MMO, through and through.
>>3831249>Posting here since I don't really care about the MMO side of the gameno one else really does. community is divided into soloers enjoying their story and people doing forgettable end game raids. since you can't use artifact quality gear otherwise, it means you MUST subscribe to effectively participate in raiding.
>>3831307You're probably right, I couldn't get too into games like divinity original sin 2 for some reason.>>3831318Yeah that's a shame. At least you're not forced to do either so people can just be happy doing what they're doing.
>>3831283At least we ended up with probably some of the best official Star Wars media thanks to the cinematic trailers. Not even a huge Star Wars fan but they were great.https://youtu.be/2bmsNa9GOR0?si=aWHD9iH0GeEAWA03
>>3831386>I couldn't get too into games like divinity original sin 2 for some reasonDOS2 was pretty offputting the first time I tried it, I got filtered by the boat tutorial, with the barrelmancy and all the surface interactions. Didn't care for it. I later gave it another shot and did get into it and finish it, it's a pretty good game, but I can see why someone might not care for it at first.
>>3831295only played as neutral/light sided inquisitor, it was rather interesting playing character that genuinely cared about state of the empire while also trying to shape less dogmatic view of the force around him(and the endless seething from jedi was priceless)
>>3831249>Anybody else agree? No>Am I retarded?Yes
>Why does this game have such good stories?Because this was Bioware back when they were still good. They were (rightly) considered the best narrative-driven RPG studio in the business back in the day.Moreover the scope of an MMO allowed them to offer a level of roleplaying customisation that titles like KOTOR never could. In every one of the class stories I decided to make my character have several weird quirks that differentiated them beyond dark/light and in every class story it actually showed up. The game excels at that immersive roleplaying more than any other MMO. Where it isn't so good is typical MMO shit - limited time FOMO manipulation, grinding raids/reputation/dailies, finding groups, confusing and inconsistent systems, etc.
>>3831734>this was Bioware back when they were still goodlmao
>>3831740Why is there one of you snide retards in every thread trying to snigger at obviously true statements? What do you get out of pretending to hate good things?
>>3831734People kinda forget Bioware was THE titan of RPGs not even 15 years ago.
>>3831743i've been laughing at you biotards since before the rine was ever ended.
>>3831734Do you know of any more games that have been able to achieve that same level of roleplaying customization outside of an MMO? I just want to scratch that itch without downloading SWTOR again...
>>3832020Anything heavily moddable can give you that, e.g. Elder Scrolls. But for a base game it’s probably only going to be some old all-text crpg. Also, it is an MMO, but LOTRO is even more single player than SWTOR and it really leans into RP, atmosphere, and a slow pace that lets the setting unfold. It isn’t as polished as swtor though.
>>3831249I liked sith class stories. It's like the only game where you can play a sith (actual one, not fallen to the dark side jedincel) and also sith purebloods. I wish it was singleplayer, would be sad to see it shut down.Also, visit /swgg/ general on /vm/.
>>3832321>visit /swgg/ general on /vm/don't do this. never visit a general for any game.
>>3831249It's not that it's good, it's that everything else is bad.Would I even say that it has good writing? No, not really. The good thing it has going for it is that, since there are 8 class stories, there are 8 chances that one of them is going to be good. In addition to that, since they all needed to home in on a specific fantasy and differentiate themselves, they're more inherently varied and interesting than normal Star Wars stories, which are generally trying to be kind of one-note and generic.That said; good? The only two that are good are Sith Warrior and Imperial Agent. The other 6 range from alright to dogshit. Bioware used to be better, now they've devolved into a total dumpster fire. In addition to that, they've more or less abandoned the game to whatever F-team is still keeping it on life support, so the quality is now in the toilet.That being said, I did make some good memories playing it with my brother. It was a more innocent time before everything sucked total ass.
>>3831249>Why does this game have such good stories?I think it feels good to get lost in the story and get attached since you create your character and so on, but they're not that great imo, some are ok, others not so much.>Am I retarded?I mean you are but this is 4chan>(Don't answer that)Don't tell me what to do>I don't really care about the MMO side of the gameMe neither, the stories make it worth a run but since it's an mmo your choices mean squat. Not that it matters, the story matters, but mmo and rpg are a contradiction to put together.Also wtf is with all the threads about SWTOR lately, is it just you posting? I've been thinking about going back to this game and now all of the sudden everyone is talking about it in here.
>>3831249>I just like doing the quests and dressing up my character for my headcanonsKek also based, I got my own headcanon for the legacy my characters belong to and organize each of their stories based on that.
>>3831389I don't like the whole Eternal Empire thing too much, it's too shallow, the aesthetic is peak mmo slop. I think the name Zakuul sounds badass and I want to put my wee wee inside Darth Atroxa but that's it. I wish they went with something less lame for further expansions.
>>3832400>Imperial AgentEveryone always says this shit blew their mind or something. I never got far into it but I was enjoying it. Gotta make a full run through at some point.
>>3832400>It was a more innocent time before everything sucked total assI agree. This is one reason I love this game to this day even if even at the beginning I still thought it wasn't that good and it annoyed me. I'd dare say it's got sovl. But that's all a good description for Star Wars in general.
>>3832695Yeah the sequel trilogy didn't exist yet, and everything has a very 80s vibe. Some people don't like this, but I like feeling like I'm on the set of a science fiction movie/TV set. The plastic kind of look to the environmental props actually enhance that experience for me. Star Wars wasn't in such a sorry state that just talking about it pissed me off yet. Bioware was on the downswing, Star Wars was ebbing, but not terrible, the game was still inoffensively fun with no real downsides, culture war wasn't a thing yet, cartel shop didn't exist yet so you weren't being aggressively scammed yet. Just good clean fun.>>3832693It's a fairly standard spy thriller, but it felt fresh because its a unique vibe for the Star Wars universe. Also, of all the stories it's probably the most reactive to your choices. It's at liberty to be that way because, as a spy, you can justify whatever's happening with "I'm a double, triple, quadruple agent."Gives them a lot of leeway. You can literally double cross the empire for the republic and the story still works. Meanwhile, if you're playing basically any other story it can be a little goofy how it keeps you on the rails despite an obvious ultra traitor because of the light/dark side system.>Jedi with glowing red eyes and palpable rape aura of darkness.>Keep getting accolades and promotions despite purposefully fucking up every scenario and being obviously evil
>>3832721>the game was still inoffensively fun with no real downsidesI think this sums it up>how it keeps you on the rails despite an obvious ultra traitorbruh i remember this exact thing i played JK dark side and I would turn off corruption when around other Jedi just for rp purposes, not that it matters. But I forgot for the scene where you're decorated in the end or whatever. I walked in there sporting the Exorcist face and and Satele doesn't give a shit, she just didn't give me the rank of Master. It was hilarious to me.
>>3832691Knights of the steaming shitpile really broke me and was the reason I left the whole MMO. Apart from the fact that its such an asspull of epic proportions it could be very well the naruto fanfic of a 12 year old weeb girl who just made shit up on the spot during her first GM session. It did not fit at all into the setting in any way, the powercreep of the characters (lorewise) was abyssmal and essentially everyone of interest was a demi god plus it completely destroyed the narrative they kept alive that made other PC's being there believable and essentially voided the faction choice but without a cool feature that would have made it possible to actually choose a second time (which would have made sense). Obviously because they just made WoW in space and needed the garrison mechanic to be shoehorned in there but still. Suddenly I'm not a republican smuggler anymore, a hero of the republic unquestionably but not "the one". Seeing other smugglers at the fleet? Yeah thats easy to explain reasonably. But whats that? Now I'm the commander guy of a third, neutral faction that took over a planet and established a base there and from this planet I single handedly fell the strongest and by far most advanced civilization, that still only settles on that one planet and is ruled by a literal godlike energy satan? Furthermore I'm the new energy satan ruler of this empire? And when I'm the emperor of the galaxy, why the fuck are there like a thousand other guys like me and why am I taking orders from some brass of my totally-not-my-faction? Also how did I, as non force user who beats up shit with his fists and bonks enemies heads with the handle of my gun, survive a standoff with the galaxies most feared force user of whom even energy satan is scared shitless? and why do I still want to bangfix her years later?.I eman the gameplay was horrible to but the plot just went completely off the rails with kotfe,
>>3833726Took the time to read it, made me kek. Never actually ran the expansions, just saw a couple playthroughs/reviews. Probably never will go through them, seems like a waste of my time.Expanding the class stories, even one chapter at a time for each class, was the only fucking way to go for this game to stay at basic mediocre-sometimes-good levels. Alas, it is what it is.
>>3833815expansions, especially later ones, were seriously underwhelming. their business model also stooped down "be subscribed at the time to get it for free" which essentially meant every "expansion" cost $15. they stopped even with those since broadsword took over.
Bump I want Swtorino thread to stay up a while longer
Is this the ultimate Vette Customization?
>>3836019I prefer something like this.
>>3836039harr harr lol lmao
>>3836019Yes, mainly because I used a pureblood sith as my light side SW.Also it doesn't get mentioned enough how good the character creation is.
>>3833726All of this is true. HOWEVER! Lana is my adorable evil wife
>>3836652It's okLook at most NPCs in the game, one half looks normal, another half looks positively retarded. But it is possible to create good looking characters.Maybe I'm getting filtered but I wouldn't call any character creator "good" when there aren't even sliders in it.
>>3831249>Why does this game have such good stories?It doesn't. MMObabs who have never read a real good story just shit and pissed themselves over an MMO with a not shit story.
I would play a classic SWTOR with no cash shop. Bring back meaningful difficulty. Is there no attempt at an emu for this game?
>>3837247>Is there no attempt at an emu for this game?I'm sure whenever this game goes down, if it goes down, someone will do something like that.
>>3836019Like unironically I wonder this.Her appearance could be rationalized as her having gotten those Sith tattoos in her time as a slave. Plus despite her family being mostly blue-skinned this can vary even within families (I think Hera Syndulla's father was a different skin color). Eyes can be orange in Twi'leks as well.BUT her appearance still transmits a Sith idea of passion and power. I picked that one bc it was the most attractive.But blue... blue for some reason conveys more the role of Vette in the romance part. She tends to humanize the warrior. Blue is the color of the Light Side prompts after all. Blue good, Red evil. I'm genuinely torn by this bc I screenshot or sometimes record playthroughs. And I can't decide what route to go with.
>>3837212Well it's no modded skyrim but no MMO could operate on that level of customisability. I say it's good because it manages to convey personality very well, whereas other MMO character creators I've seen just give you bland templates.>>3837247Why? It's a cosmetic cash shop and unlike something like TERA the cosmetics actually fit the setting. The major focus of the game is story roleplay, not raidslop, so it's not like it's undercutting any reward space like in other MMOs. I'm all for MTXbashing but why create a whole private server just to remove something that's innocuous anyway?
>>3838072I want a private server that brings back the difficulty the game used to have. I'm not interested in a mediocre interactive novel.
>>3838077It's always been dogshit except for the "novel" (and even then)Maybe play a less retarded game
>>3838133I don't currently play SWTOR nor would I. I might be tempted if there was a classic version, be it emu or official.
>>3838136There have been attempts as early as 2012 but everything failed since the interest was simply completely gone already during vanilla and it turned into a complete niche game. No one wants to spend years of development so the 50+ people who can even remember vanilla TOR will play it, especially considering that the content in vanilla was extremely lackluster. People didnt stay because after the story there was just... nothing. The story is still playable though so even over a decade ago devs realized they probably wont even get enough people to play an emu server for beta testing. Adding content is brutally difficult because the game world isnt that much open, unused spaces, and very linear. Apart from that its EA with a shitton of voice acting. The red hot glowing fuckrod of that lawsuit lingering in the corner of their eyes is probably also why they rather avoid it. The biggest problem is though that the game was already completely fucked up by badly merged systems, values all over the place etc. at the time of kotfe. That was a decade ago. They are not doing it like Blizzturd who where remotely competent in merging expansions (in comparison). Whatever skeleton crew runs TOR just shits all over the place and jury rigs it together. The amount of outright broken content before the current expansion is astonishing. Sadly this behavior also carries over to conserving former builds. Aka they have none of those. So even if in theory there would be enough engagement here to justify a passion project like that, it would be borderline impossible since the game died so fast and no one archived anything, which means whoever would do this would have to pull out basically all numberwork out of their ass and hope that it fits somehow. Try to find something substantial about vanilla TOR anywhere. You wont. Neither the devs nor the public ever did any real documentation about it. At that point you could spend your time just developing a completely new game.
>>3838510>red hot glowing fuckrod of that lawsuit lingering in the corner of their eyes is probably also why they rather avoid itthis is the reason, that's it, they'd just be told to stop or be sued
>>3838077You're playing an ability bar mmo for the gameplay? Why?
>>3838956He's braindead that's why
>>3838956He's intelligent that's why
>>3838956>>3839316Imagine thinking the only gameplay worth having is mashing dodge-roll. Zoomer brainrot is real.
>>3839323Sure, move the goalpost, that makes you smart.
>>3839324Goalposts didn’t move, you just can’t see them through the smoothbrain fog.
>>3838956Not just for the gameplay; for the whole package. The story combined with the more engaging gameplay it used to have plus the MMO aspect (including world PvP). All of those factors were what made SWTOR fun for me years ago. Now it's just a series of empty zones you sleepwalk through to get to the next dialogue tree or cinematic. The story has no weight when everything you're doing to advance it is easy mode.
>>3839334Zoomies cant comprehend an MMO that consists of more tactics than hitting rotation button/macro to do rotation so numbers go up or simply sitting there half afk to faceroll trough story content. I stopped with the end of kotet but even then it was easily possible to simply let your companion to every single quest during story missions because they are lowkey immortal.
>>3839334>MMO aspect (including world PvP)This is culturally dead and never returning thanks to social media. The internet is no longer a novelty and mmo boomers need to accept that massive social interaction makes mmos less appealing to the market now, not more.
>>3839506Who said anything about any of that? I'm aware this isn't classic EverQuest.
>>3831249Did they make it so you can keep both khem and zash already? >>3839324He clearly touched a nerve.>>3839470>Implying zoomers give a shit about a bioware mmo>A bioware mmo written by a schmuck who's still anal over kotor 2Come on nigger
>>3839520Then what the fuck are you talking about? MMOs are solo activities nowadays.
>>3831249There’s about 2-3 great class stories between the 8 classes, the rest aren’t terrible but they range from mediocre to the occasional glimpse of good bits salvaged from the original KOTOR 3 concept. That being said I think whatever they would have done with 3 if it had been allowed to come out as a single player RPG would have turned out weaker than TOR. It’s a shame the overarching story went terribly when they got to Revan and the expansions and since then it’s been nothing but repeats of the Jedi Knight’s class story structure over and over.
>>3840521I'm not here to spoonfeed you.
I rewatched the first 6 films plus Rogue One and had a strong desire to play this, played Kotor1 like 15 years ago. I'm also just treating it as a solo RPG. Having a lot of fun, I'm just level 17 but it's great
My toon is a Jedi Knight who believes in righteousness and the core principles of the Jedi but he's also a giant coomer who keeps romancing women kek
>>3831249is that guy really castrating himself with that double saber
So.. What do you Anons think about RP in SWTOR?
>>3831754Well most of these people weren't even born 15 years ago.Here's how to spot a retarded teenage zoomer on /v/: They say "Bioware" when complaining about games made after 2010. If they were adults, they would say "Electronic Arts".
>>3840521>MMOs are solo activities nowadaysBased. The concept of an MMO was a complete failure. You simply can't take the most anti-social mentally ill group of people on the planet and expect them to function as a group. The only exception is degenerate coomers, which is why "rp" servers/guilds are the only prosperous parts of any MMO. This is why the only MMOs that prosper are purely PvP (Fortnite, LoL, CoD, etc.)Maybe the SWToR devs were smart enough to understand that, so they took EA's $150-billion dollars and gave us 16 Star Wars interactive fanfics (of decent quality relative to StarWars slop) and called it a "game".>I still fucking love Huttball though. I log in every couple of weeks just to play the shit out of Huttball.
>>3834210This game flopped hard right out of the gate. Of course it sold like crazy on release (which was Christmas 2011), but within a week the forums were already being spammed with "this game sucks, the space combat is non-existent, the classes are all the same gameplay mechanics, the worlds are all empty space, all the gameplay mechanics are watered down WoW or micro-transaction bait, etc" all of which is true. I remember reading the "this is a single player MMO" defense for the first time within a week of its release. Also, Electronic Arts published a long series of corporate damage control statements within a week (the usual "our product is good, you're just stupid" corpo doublespeak), Its main target was to take down WoW, which was seen as an unstoppable behemoth back then. But it made the mistake of thinking WoW players cared about stories, so the only people who didn't immediately cancel their first month subscription were hardcore Star Wars junkies like I was (at the time).The fact that the first expansion was "here's Darth Revan, AGAIN! And also THE EXILE!!!" is proof of how quickly it flopped. That's a desperate well to go to on your very first expansion, and the fact that EA made YOUR previous characters into generic retards was the final nail in the coffin.Good stories, though. Fuckin Imperial Agent is my fav.
>>3841520I would be more into RP if all ERPers were publicly executed
>>3841535Pretty much. I don’t know why existing MMOs cant just drop the charade and make everything soloable. Standing around saying lfg is not engaging content
>>3842029All the story stuff was soloable and the dungeons had group finder from the start so wtf are you talking about? The difference today is there's no world pvp and the pve is brainless. Why even play? Just watch someone's highly edited playthrough of each story if that's all you're here for.
>>3842275>Just watch someone's highly edited playthrough of each storyThis prevents you from selecting your own dialogue choices because youtuber faggots always pick crappy dialogue
>>3842299This is also why I could never imagine loading someone else’s save, as a checkpoint to skip part of a RPG. Could never bear their choices or dialogue options chosen. Hell, while I’m playing an rpg I’ll autistically reload conversations several times until I have my perfect “canon” dialogue choices.
>>3831249my first character was Operative, and the story was absolutely kino. loved the act where you played undercover with some rebels and winning their trust, just to execute them one by one in the end. was pretty satisfying for an evil playthrough, and not just your generic light side/dark side crap. In the end, my character was only "evil" because my job was to further the empires goals, not this shit about jedi and sith.
>>3842275Nobody uses group finder for operations and operations have tons of storylines. Also people only do like 5 operations instead of all of them. Plus the higher difficulties are no good with random groups, you need to be part of a tranny discord or you just can't do it.
>>3842820They did at launch, which is what I was talking about
>>3832020Play Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous.
>>3842848Who gives a fuck about launch? The discussion was about making everything in MMOs soloable.
>>3843271Group finder addresses the "sitting around LFG" complaint. Try to keep up.
>>3831440Dark Side Jedi Knight was fun, you had the peak Anakin skywalker experience and all the imperials and sith went "Haha, you jedi are such pussy loosers, go ahed, stop me!" and then realize you are indeed going to butcher them in creative ways.
>>3831249The stories SUCK you delusional fool you liar! For example you fags said the Jedi Knight was KOTOR3 but when I played it it was just a Saturday morning cartoon where you destroy a Death Star at the end of every chapter. Fuck you all the classes are structured this way and it's all pussy baby cartoons with no real divergence.
>>3843700SWTOR's stories are way overrated simply because it was the first story focused MMO. MMObabs were like, "whoa! branching dialogue trees in-between grind sessions!"
its really, really bad, and that is saying a lot considering how low the bar was to outcompete their only competition at the time, world of gaycraft and neutered SWGgod damned losers
>>3843500https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToJU7_Eu5o8Nice of them to use Solid Snake as the VA
>>3843311>using a group is soloing thingsGreat post professor retard. And it doesn't even solve the LFG complaint because it doesn't suit the style of the content and because you can still have no groups doing particular bits of content.>>3843700Republic stories are weak (smuggler is pretty good) but imperial stories are kino
>>3844648>each post gets progressively dumber because he can't handle losing a point on an anonymous imageboardsuch ego will get you killed one day
>>3841520Bitch licks a lightsaber and her tongue doesn't immediately melt away. Dropped, too retarded.
>>3841520You know I remember Troops, that was a good fan film. It was funny, unassuming, and unique. Every other SW fan film I've seen is just two fags in cosplay as le edgy main badass character man for yet one more out of 2000 duels that character had in the EU that means nothing, because we haven't seen that shit before. All just for idgets in the comments to go WOW ONLY 8 MINUTES AND IT'S BETTER THAN DISNEY EVER DID TAKE NOTES DISNEY THIS IS REAL STAR WARS JUST WOW.
>>3843500All DS choices as the JK are retarded, so it really doesn't work.
>>3841534I don't know if I agree with that but just saying the word Bioware makes me feel like a loser so I don't do that out loud irl.
>>3843700Listen man, Star Wars isn't good in general. I just love it but it's just kinda crap.
>>3843724>branching dialogue trees>branchingLet's not go crazyIt had a dialogue
>>3831440>it was rather interesting playing character that genuinely cared about state of the empire while also trying to shape less dogmatic view of the force around himWarrior is better if that's what you want
>>3841503No, he's blocking force lightning with his long glowing dick.
>>3844724>Licking a lightsaberAs a Lord of the Sith she is used to far worse indignities being forced upon her. Horrific indignities beyond your comprehension
>>3841538>micro-transaction baitthe game launched with exactly 0 MTX cancer.Cartel Market debuted like 2 years in, at most you had the pre-order crystals, the Collectors edition bonuses with the biggest one being the VIP lounge bracelet. Short of buying vendor mounts and financing your crafting missions there was no reason to hoard money.
>>3844724It just burned the saliva on her tongue.
