"Don't listen to your father. Kidnap the president."
"God says you have to die"
>>3833270>Doesn't listen to dad>Almost cause the failure of the assassination mission>Play rebels with your friends in an occupied city, hijack trains (that's cool, desu), and plan the kidnapping of the fucking president (it fail)>Get jailed, but bailed out by daddy, of course>Go back to jail to cause a shitshow and free your bros (based)>Fail to stop the missiles launch>Fall into a coma and become dead weight for half the game>Is sent to space>Wake up in space, possessed by a sorceress from the future and free Adel the tranny sorcerer from its space jail.>Apocalypse as lunar cry + Adel crash on earth>Is discarded into space, but is saved by squall the fucking simp>Back to earth she is arrested and sentenced to death>Squall the fucking simp save her AGAIN>Is probably Ultimecia but players don't like that theory, so in the end she's just "a girl with daddy issues".What was the point of this character exactly?To redpill you on girls with daddy issues?
>>3833282Everyone fucked up in ff8
"This is my anti-rape dog"
>>3833297"I'll ditch her and meet you at Phoenix Gate later"
>>3833270god, Rinoa was such a shit character>>3833275and the dog in 15 was pointless
>>3833307...There was a dog in 15?
>>3833314Yes. Showed up in like 2 cutscenes
>>3833314There were 3 dogs. 4 if we count Carbuncle. Lunafreya had 2 dogs. Pryna and Umbra. They're not really dogs. They're "messengers" of the gods. Pryna (white) gets the most screen time, as she ties in with Prompto's backstory. Umbra served as a kind of Junction Machine Ellone, to revisit areas from the earlier chapter if only "in memory". Carbuncle was only featured in the Demo, in Noctis' dream. And finally, there was a demon dog seen in the "Omen" trailer, which was all the King's Dream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZymd6r4wGg
>>3833321>Carbuncle was only featured in the Demo, in Noctis' dream.or if you played on Easy where Carbuncle would revive you if you got to 0 HP, so you didn't need to use items in that Bleedout mode
I've never played the pocket edition so, I don't know if there were added scenes or not.
>>3833282If you didn't know. FF6 had Shadow and his canine partner, Interceptor. Shadow was originally a train robber. Until he ended up in Thamasa which is the village of mage decedents. Shadow is Relm's father. Meaning he fell in love with a "sorceress". She died. Shadow and Relm share "momento rings". Rinoa shares a lot of these elements. Rebel train, dog companion. She ends up becoming a sorceress, but the way it's written leads some to believe she was always a sorceress. Or that her mother, Julia, was a sorceress. All she has left of her mother is a ring.
>>3833400
There has never been a good FF8 thread in the history of 4chan.True story.
As you know, Rinoa went to the dance to talk to Cid, to hire SeeD. This imagery is repeated again in Versus 13, granted it was never finished and recycled into FF15. Stella was replaced by Lunafreya. We could assume that Stella had dogs as well. What I've heard about Versus13's plot is that Stella's brother (Presumably Raven) was breaking into the vault to steal the crystal.
>>3833406This scene was reimagined again in Kingsglaive as a peace treaty signing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXH_-nQIcLYFor context, Lunafreya was assigned a bodyguard/escort named Crowe who was killed, the pendent she was suppose to wear was actually a tracker. They treat it as a momento.
>>3833270>repeatedly shoots her dog>at the enemies tooThat girl isn't right.
Transplanting these story elements back onto FFVIII creates an interesting what-if scenario. What if Rinoa was a thief and train robber? She came to the dance to talk to Cid. Perhaps she intercepted something that wasn't meant for her. A tracker meant for Ellone, perhaps. Or even Dr. Odine's Magic Sealing Bangle. See, it doesn't make sense for her to hire SeeD, make them travel by train, to meet them, on their train, and then act surprised that SeeD came at all. It would make more sense that they're helping out the Forest Owls, to reclaim this special jewelry, or even a special painting. NORG also resembles Owzer, the Art Collector from FF6.
>>3833415Stealing magic sealing equipment, called "The Goddess Magicite" ended up being the plot device for FF12. It just lacked a train. In FF7. Aerith and her Mom escaped Shinra by train. Although her mom dies, she passes on her special Materia, which summons "Holy". "Holy" was tentatively the spell used to break into the vault in Versus 13. The ultimate white magic spell "Holy" also goes by "Erase". As in, erasing something from existence, like Meteor. To cancel as spell or curse, such as the starscourge. Or even extinguish immortal souls from existence. That was essentially the point of "the holy clavis"; to draw in the souls of the dead. The souls of the dead are responsible for the power of Trance in FF9. As well as the body of Sin in FFX. Yuna, like Lunafreya, was once planned to be a healer and draw out Sin's toxin from people along her way, like the Starscourge. FF7 eventually has the "geostigma" in Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, which is used to trick the planet into thinking the planet is already dead, and manifest Omega Weapon to ripe the lifestream out.
>>3833287>Everyone fucked up in ff8>Quistis: Should I focus on this highly important extremely dangerous assassination mission that requires cracker jack timing? Eh I guess I can knock off to make an apology that could have wait 20 minutes.
>>3833282The whole plot of FFVIII is about Square's writers being less competent than they believe.
I've been farming Angelo Search for 2 hours now.I just want to pick up a Friendship so I can summon a dadgum Moomba.
>>3833282she makes a good match for Squall who was also a fuckup.Rinoa has to do a lot of growing up. When the game starts her nickname is literally 'princess' and her dad is one of the most powerful people in (as far as anyone could know) the most powerful country in the world.It's all so Squall can say "stay close to me" when Squall's autismmaxxxing pays off in a crisis situation so "princess" can inject some teenage love normalcy into Squall's life fast enough to fix him before he emo's out from saving the world.
>>3833449That's all of the FF games. Kojima uncredited FF writer confirmed
>>3833449I believe they had bigger plans than their development time allowed. Angelo's limit breaks are learned by walking on the world map. But there's really not much to do on the world map. In fact there's only a handful of opportunities to run around with Rinoa in your party. On route to Galbadia Garden. Visiting The Tomb (most people drive)On route to the missle base (if Rinoa in Selphie's group)Gaining control of the Garden opens up some sidequest, but you generally just land next to the destination. The only place to go on foot that the Garden can't reach is the Desert to farm AP from Cactuars. Rinoa is benched for most of disc 3, once you get the Ragnarok there's very very little reason to explore on foot. And that's all assuming you bought the Pet Pal magazines in the first place! Lunatic Pandora is basically the point of no return to visit the stores that sell them.
FF8 was written by a woman, or by a guy with a woman brain.
>>3834166>guy with a woman brainThis isn’t a thing. Stop trying to make it a thing.
>>3834180Dont panic I didn't mean literally
>>3833964Standing back. The character's limitbreaks were probably intended to be tied to magazines. Weapon Monthly, Combat King, Pet Pals, Timber Maniacs, Occult Fan, Girl Next Door. Before they settled on Selphie's "Slots", she was supposed to have a gimmick with comic panels she'd acquire with each Timber Maniacs. Quistis learns Blue Magic from monster drops. Since she uses a whip, it would have made more sense if Angelo was her dog and she taught her monster abilities. After all, she is a teacher and it would line up with Seifer's distaste for Quistis and "Dog Training". >Bad Seifer. STAY!After all, it doesn't make sense for them to fire Quistis when all her students graduated, unless there was something wrong with her methods. There were a few other non-item magazines too. In the Forest Owl Base, there's Anarchist Monthly. In Dollet, it's revealed that Occult Fan was originally titled something like "Boo!". Potentially, meaning Laguna's party had similar limit breaks.
The School's Library also lists a few books that could have been tied to Seifer, Raijin and Fujin's limit breaks. >The Sorceress Knight - The Scenario Edition>Insect Guidebook (Color Edition)>Goodbye Pupurun>We Meet Again, Pupurun>Turbine Engines (Revised Edition)>Edible Flowers
>>3834200>when the knot is still in but she suddenly jumps 50 feet into the air
>>3834203Speaking of breeding. In the remake, Hojo's interest in breeding Aerith and Red XIII was replaced with "S and G types"
>>3834205>S and GMeaning what? I dont intend to ever play the remake.
>>3833406>Versus 13HOES MAD
>>3834205>>3834207S-types refer to Sephiroth who assimilated Jenova cells directly in the womb. G-types refer to "Gillian Cells", which was Angeal's biological mother who was infused with Jenova cells, before giving birth to Angeal. Genesis also received Gillian cells as a fetus. It's fuzzy vague fantasy science. They don't say Gillian donated her "eggs" specially. Angeal and Genesis differ from Sephiroth in that they can make copies of themselves by infecting other living beings (like monsters) with their genetic code. But they suffered from "degradation", until they lean a treatment of sephiroth cells can stabilize them. The Deep Ground "Tsviets", are all created from Genesis Cells. They all have color code names. They also need regular Mako infusions or they "die". It's unclear if they would be considered "G-Types" or not. In any case. There's a strong possibility that Red XIII is a "G-Type". Whether that's Gillian Cells or Genesis Cells, I can only speculated.
>>3834219The fact of the matter is, Hojo is claiming to have "G-Type" material on hand. Which might be a "copy" of Angeal or Genesis. The last copies of Angeal that we saw were Lazard and a Winged Hound.Angeal was alway doting on dogs. Giving Zack the nickname "puppy". He's a dog trainer of sorts. "Stamp" the dog, was also a Shinra Mascot. IIRC, it was part of their space program to reach for the stars. Mysteriously, each timeline shows Stamp as a different dog breed with a different number of stars.
Angelo wasn't allowed to go to space. At first, I thought it was one less development hurdle. But it's not like they didn't have a model for Angelo floating in Zero-Gravity.
>>3834236But Angelo's Ultimate Limit Break is Wishing Star, which you learn from Pet Pals Vol.6 in Esthar. Obviously, there was no way Angelo was making over to the Ragnarok. But the Ragnarok was a Deus Ex Machina moment. Angelo's pod could have been "lost", and drifted over to the Ragnarok, remaining froze the whole time. When Esthar comes to seal Rinoa, they could have also thawed Angelo out.
>So you want to be an astronaut?>Your resume says you have experience being "launched"
>>3834205what's the point of that change? FF7 has a pretty strong anti-corporation message with it's ecoterrorist angle, and Hojo is the big pile of despicable amoral scientist who sees everything as progress. I don't know what the remake gains by fucking with that.
>>3834424I think they probably needed to beef-up Barrett and Red XIII's character arcs.In Part 1, they acknowledge the existence of Deep Ground, which was supposed to be a secret until Dirge of Cerberus. So they have Barret run through the tunnels under sector 7. And they connected Yuffie's DLC and Part 2 sequence with Deepground, but if Dirge of Cerberus is to be canon then they can't go anywhere with it. It's hard to say where they'll go in Part 3, because their character arcs have pretty much been exhausted. Barrett and Red hate Shinra, but not so much Sephiroth. The biggest hole to fill is Cid Highwind. They cut "Rocket Town" from Part 2 and never really mentioned the space program. Rufus is out there looking for "the promised land", but Palmer insists there's lots of Mako in space...and he's not exactly wrong.
As night falling winter has come without a star.Here you will dwell, bound to you grief, under the fading trees, until all the world has changed and the long years of your life are utterly spent.… there is nothing for you here, only death.
>/sbg/ Schizo Babble General #1322 - Schizo talks to himself for a week straight edition:
Just did the hidden chocobo summon for the first time, pretty cool.
>You just know -- the thread
Has anyone read The Dawn of the Future?
I wish FF8 got novellas. And a movie. And an anime series.
>Monkey's PawThe characters look their age.
>>3834820
>>3833321odin's wolves refrence of course
>>3833422AND THEN WE COME TO 2019 WHERE GEOSTIGMA AND GEOSTIGMATA BECOME REAL
>>3834820This game was completely torn apart by Spoony a decade ago.
>>3834838Literally who
>>3834838No. That retard didn't even understand the game on a surface level.>>3834841One of the earliest video game YouTubers. He's an obscure, suicidal goblin living in a basement now.
>The Remaster gives you the hidden "Chocobo World" items through Anglo Search.I've been Angelo Search farming for over 7 hours now (at 3x speed!) over several days and haven't gotten the items for the hidden Moomba or MiniMog summons once. What the hell, man?
>>3834867I'll play along. I'm doing the Pod + Confusion trick. So far I've gotten:Healing Ring, G-Potion, and X-Potions, Cactus ThornI've got Gilgamesh though, so he tends to ruin the battle after 1 or 2 searches, and I have to reset.
>>3834883Potion+, X-Potion, Holy Stone...I got Gilgamesh to use Excalipoor. I think he's only summoned once per battle, so I think I'm golden and can let this sit for a while. I sold all my items just for fun so I have a clear view of what I'm getting.I noticed something interesting. If Angelo Search finds a battle item, you can use it right away with the item command. But it's placed in a random item slot? Like, I got a Holy Stone, and my inventory is empty, but I have to scroll over to page 7 to see it. Idk if that has something to do with how items are sorted for battle.
>>3834893It's driving me nuts. I'm at 10 hours.I've gotten all sorts of shit, heros, hero trials, Aegis amulet, Occult Fan, Combat King.... but no Friendship, Mog's Amulet, or Ribbon yet.This is brutal. I leave it running and come back now and then to press triangle a bunch.I've been in this battle (picrel) for 5 hours now.
>>3834917I got 2 Hungry Cookpots so I can use devour, but neither of the "hidden summon" items yet.Just had dinner, I'm gonna go get Eden from the deep sea research center then just continue the story. I can see the moomba and mog summons on youtube I guess... ;_; I'll keep a save here in case I want to try farming for them again.
>>3834917No dice. But it's only been a few hours for me. I've heard people say you could get multiple Magical Lamps since Diabolos is otherwise missable. I'd like to confirm that, and see what happens if you try to use it when you already have Diabolos.
>Friendly NPC gives you a lamp.>when used it contains the devil in it and forces a game over.But why? how is this good game design?
>>3834243
>>3833270you just know.
>>3835069That Sant'Angelo di Roma is a castle/mausoleum for Roman Emperors? Yes, but what were they thinking?Was she supposed to be related to Alexander? Perhaps she and Rinoa were the prototype of Eiko and Madeen
>>3833425>that could have wait 20 minutes.That's assuming she lives anon, and that the all powerful super sorceress doesn't just bullshit their plans away and murder them all
>>3833404There has never been a good thread in the history of 4chan.True story.
>>3835138I'm pretty sure "The Holy Dollet Empire" was equivalent to the Roman Empire.If there was a castle, it would have been the Trabia capital we never saw. Then again, in FF11, Alexander is part of the undersea ruins as well as being an automata or "puppet". Across the series, they usually set the machina up against magic dolls. With summons being a neutral power source or engine for both. In FF16, the fallen were a mechanical civilization. Granted, it blurs the line between machine and magic. I'm still not sure if it's fair to call the Dominants a eugenics program. In The Bouncer, theres a mix of nanobots and genetic manipulation. Blurring the line between android and cyborg. Dominique is -i think- a robot that doesn't know she is a robot. Japan is weird when it comes to robot girlfriends.
>>3835150DBZ is worth bringing up because the creator was involved with Square, influncing the series through Dragon Quest and Chrono Trigger. Dragon Ball had a Red Ribbon Army that had an "artificial human" program to create super soliders. But these range from Frankenstein monsters made from dead parts, to pure robots, to genetic artificial lifeforms. But the English dub calls them all "androids". Ff8 has war mechs and holograms. An android that looked completely human isn't far fetched.
>>3835156Angelo being a terminator from the future keeping Rinoa alive would be funny. I wonder what she was doing during the Garden Battle.
>>3833400Shadow isn't Relm's father.
>>3835150dolls vs fae was a thing in legend of mana. Fa'diel ( fairy world) and Vanadiel ( vanadis, odin/freya shit world) are sister worlds. Taru Taru/Lalafel evolved out of Chobin Hoods
>>3835492But Interceptor is definitely her dog.
>>3835540Maybe he's also an Esper...
>tfw Espers/GFs/Eidilons/Eikons/Whatever are what happens when masons investigate megaten>tfw parasite eve is what happens when masons investigate resident evil/sweet home
Speaking of Parasite Eve>Shiva
>>3835552https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KgTBlQG1AM
Dogs have mitochondria.But do robots?
>>3836078The whole idea of Parasite Eve, based on the novel of the same name, is that mitochondria is it's own lifeform, waiting for life to evolve. The concept was echoed in at least Xenogears and FF16. The "Creator" in FF4 After Years is probably in the same vein; it's helping life evolve, because it doesn't have the ability to evolve itself. This mitochondrial Eve is an intelligence that can manipulate life on a cellular level. Despite that, it's a parasite in that these bodies have their own intelligence, and Eve is seeking an ideal body for itself. A "mythos" if you like. The "horror" part of Parasite Eve is that, once it achieves that goal, it has no reason to maintain this symbiotic relationship.Once you switch the analogy to robots, hardware and software, it doesn't make as much sense to burn bridges after you've crossed them. Imagine if a virus was syphoning computing power across a network until it assembled a super computer to satisfy it's computing needs. It doesn't make sense to destroy inferior computers.
>>3836169hilarious that parasite eve became core to the star wars franchise
>>3834978He OBVIOUSLY knew it contained a GF that if beaten into submission would be a help to the Destiny Children orphans he's revolved his entire life around on their mission to Save The World.
So this must be the FFVIII schizo.Does he always talk to himself like this?
>>3836169It doesn't really fit Xenogears. Deus didn't care how humans evolved as long as there were enough of them.
>>3836684by now i'm 100% sure is a bot
>>3836078>>3836169I just replayed the Echoes of the Fallen DLC. They don't say mitochondria; they say "mitogenetic", which has to do with cell division. They were using lifeforms as mother crystal seeds. I think they were growing flesh and then crystalizing it, maybe? That's what Stranger of Paradise's "soul burst" looked like. But the story never really commented on why monsters burst into crystal. Organisms made up of these highly organized cell structures are called Eukaryotes. While single cell organisms like bacteria which don't have a nucleolus are called prokaryote, Eukaryotes multiply by mitosis. Prokaryotes multiple by fission. These scientific names means "Eu"+"Karyon"+"ote" meansTrue kernel or "seed" entity. Because they have a nucleus like core. While "pro"+"karyon"+"ote" means before kernel The idea is that mitochondria were originally bacteria, or prokaryotes, before getting assimilated into Eukaryote hosts.
>>3836690bots aren't that creative
>>3836804An early idea for FF7 was that materia grew inside peoples bodies, like a nucleus or mitochondria. And the Turks would hunt people with special abilities to extract their materia.
>>3837157like a kidney stone? Like philosopher's stones in FMA? This resonates
>>3837164No, like a parasite or single cell organism. Because, in FF7, materia levels up and eventually does fission, creating new materia.
>>3837169like la'cie and fal'cie but on a smaller scale, and internal
>>3837175Or G.F. you junction to your memory.Before Jenova was conceptualize as Space AIDS, it was a dorment region of the brain responsible for ESP. There was a witch responsible for activating it. She was cut from the game and recycled as Edea in FF8
>>3835069>"Nice to meet you Squall! Did I introduce you to my husband, Angelo? He's such a good boy!">"...">"WHAT?">"Whatever..."
>>3837263>HeDidn't play the game.
>>3833270>>3833275"Yeees maaasteeer..."
Took a few days off from VIII, just made it to the bottom of the Deep Sea Research Center, here we go...
>>3837354Yeah baby!First try! Barely made it with only Rinoa alive with <1k health. Hell yeah.
Hey FFVIII schizo (or anyone else), what's the deal with the "faeries" that Laguna's crew talk about?Is it some sensation they get when being viewed from the future through ellone?
>>3833270Obligatory:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itgqnY0IN34
>>3837412The word they use in japanese is 妖精, Yōsei. Today it's mostly synonymous with the english sense of "fairy". But in Japanese folklore they are bewitching spirits or "little people" that live in nature. Little helpers. So more like the keebler elves. The concept of "little people" is practically universal in cultures around the world. Terence McKenna was a fairly famous "ethnobotanist" that could explain why. A lot of psychoactive substances give people these hallucinations. He coined the term "Machine Elves", that were these entities he encounters on DMT trips. They were very social and friendly, and encouraging. Probably related to the "3rd Man" effect. Mountain Climbers, being low on oxygen, can hallucinate a 3rd person that encourages them to keep going. Like a spirit guide.
>>3837412>Is it some sensation they get when being viewed from the future through ellone?yes, because Ellone's mental junction is granting them the GF junctions Squall & Co. have. Throughout the Ellone sequences they've become more and more aware that they're getting visited by some outside force from time to time that supers them up. Thus Kiros's dialogue with Laguna about the "fairies"- their means of referring to this experience- and how much easier the fighting is going to be that day.
>>3837439Hadrian’s mausoleum became the Castle of the Holy Angel (Sant'Angelo di Roma) in 590 during a plague, when the pope had a vision of Archangel Michael sheathing his sword, signaling the end of God's Wrath.
>>3837481>Castle of the Holy Angel (Sant'Angelo di Roma)Huh, the architecture reminds me a little of the Centra Ruins.In a world before Wikipedia I wonder how they did their research on European architecture and mythology. Books probably. I speculate that some of the dev team took a tour to Europe (specifically Paris, Deling City even has the Arc de Triomphe in it).
>>3837478When you meet Laguna in the present, he tells you that Ellone told him, that Squall and Co. were the "fairies" that made them Bravely Default, and they came to associate the sensation with something big happening, like battles. Which is fine and dandy. Until you think about it longer than 2 seconds and realise the Fairy Lies. Maybe we were suppose to play more as Laguna. But we didn't. From our perspective the first time Squall connected to Laguna was in Timber Forest. They were supposed to be fighting Timber Resistance members with "forest animal" code names like the Forest Foxes ect...but Laguna went off to see Julia. Was Julia originally a Forest Owl? >Did you ever know?>I had my eyes on you~Based on their inner thoughts, you can detect that it wasn't actually the first time Laguna, Kiros, and Ward, detected the "fairies". It's likely the opening with Squall waking up with Ellone nearby, would have seen Seifer and Squall connected to Laguna then. And their dialogue doing the Dollet mission about "dreams they don't want to talk about" had something to do with Laguna. Otherwise, the Laguna dream segments were kind of "mid". Patrolling Winhill? Listening to Julia play piano? Visiting Edea's Orphanage in the Rain?
>>3837490It's also likely, if Ellone had powers as a child, she had connected Seifer and the other at the orphanage to Laguna while they were children.
>>3837490>Otherwise, the Laguna dream segments were kind of "mid".>Patrolling Winhill?>Listening to Julia play piano?>Visiting Edea's Orphanage in the Rain?Mid?!They were fucking essential to Laguna's and Squall's character and story lol. You can't understand them without those scenes.
Speaking of children and the power of waking. People have suspected there's more going on with Pluto and Kairi/Xion/Namine. Riku commented on the "smell of darkness" and even Namine's scent. Presumably Pluto, being a dog, has a more powerful sense of smell. Smell evokes powerful memories. Have they met before? Once upon a dream?
Another sense that dogs have is hearing. Whenever Squall and company enter "dreamland" it is accompanied by a high pitched sound. I was going to bring this up earlier. Angelo, not going to space, probably had a greater narrative purpose. Because after they launched, Angelo runs out of the Lunar Gate, causing the party to chase her. She's the first to "hear" the Lunatic Pandora floating over Esthar.BUT. This is interesting...>Did you know?Angelo is based off a Black Australian Shepard. This breed is prone to congenital deafness, due to a lack of pigment cells in the ears. This is related to the white markings on their face. When the white covers their eyes, they also lack pigment and appear blue. Angelo doesn't appear to be deaf, but she does have white inner ears. Suggesting maybe she should be. In horses, this white facial marking would be called a blaze, and it's also related to genetic abnormalities. "Lethal white syndrome". Breeders are cautioned to looked for a "frame" pattern in prospective parents, horses that carry these genetic traits for unpigmented patches can result in foals with an underdeveloped digestive tracts and shortened nerve endings. They're basically doomed.
Dalmations are also prone to deafness.
Oh, you want to hear more about the other Timber Resistance Groups? They seemingly all had "forest" in the game. Forest Foxes, Forest Owls, Forest Duck. President Deling gathered them up and sent them to D-Prison. That's Dingo Desert. So we could infer that dingos are native to the Galbadia continent. Lions (wings or no) must also be an animal. Although Rinoa mistook the one on Squall's ring as a monster. Moombas are lion-like and work in the prison. Since they're slaves, it's not unthinkable that Moombas were also used as soldiers to hunt down Resistance Member families. President Deling executed Zone and Watts' fathers in front of them. Chocobos literally have their own forests, but there aren't any Chocobo forests on Galbadia.
>>3837531I hadn't considered it before. Quistis had an adopted family but she simply said it didn't work out, and then joined Balamb Garden. Perhaps her adopted parents were also Timber Resistant members that Deling had executed by Deling. Which would make the news about Seifer that much more painful. Especially since she failed to stop him.
>>3837533On second thought, she'd more likely have a grudge against the president then too. I know Seifer was a loose cannon. But maybe killing the President was an easy and obvious solution to Timber's independence. Balamb Garden knew they had SeeD working on liberating Timber. Was that never an option. If Rinoa was out for blood, she could have given the order. Did Cid and Garden not expect that?
I just scanned FF8's transcript and realized the deal with Quistis is that nobody listens to her. With Seifer, they at least acknowledge that he doesn't listen to anyone. But with Squall, she tells him that she just wants him to listen. This could explain her sympathy towards Rinoa during the assassination mission. She realized nobody was listening to her either.
>>3837544Perhaps Quistis and Benedikta were cursed like Cassandra. In Mythology, Cassandra dated Apollo and he gave her the gift of prophecy. When they broke up, he jinxed it so that nobody would believe her. In a similar fashion. Julia had an audience, but it was Laguna who inspired her to sing lyrics with a message. Perhaps, the forest owls only exist because of Laguna.
>>3837321FF8 is my favorite in the franchise, but never realized Angelo is female until today. I figured with the masculine name and Rinoa being the type to prefer male Dogs over female Dogs that Angelo was male
>>3837882>and Rinoa being the type to prefer male Dogs over female DogsNew schizo?
>>3837489cetra ruins? >>3837490joan of ark refrence?laguna and seifer were supposed to have ff8-2 and ff8-3 at some point, allegedly >>3837519the keening from ff14?>>3837552>>3837544has there ever been much of an explanation for Quistis using Blue Magic?
>>3837489Angelo's name choice has to be related to a design choice. We never saw the Trabia capital, it could have been inspired by Rome, and this mausoleum. Or perhaps Deling city was suppose to have a mausoleum, where Deling's undead-double came from. There are references to other ancient Mausoleums in the series, such as Halicarnassus in FF5. There's no Church or ecology of souls, like other final fantasy games had, in FF8. It's surprising, for a game persecuting "witches" not to have some kind of spiritual authority justifying it. Like a pope. Concerning the Pope and the Mausoleum, the story about the Arkangel a top it also fit into their iconoclast campaign to remove temples and statues of pagan gods. In the Japanese version the Zombie president, Gerogero, is actually named Namtar Utok. After a Mesopotamian god of death. Namtar was supposedly reimagined as a demon of plagues, but if this was related to Angel story ending a plague, I can't say.
>>3838052>Trabia capitalyou can see a map on a wall in some behind the scenes production of FF8 and comparing the notes on it they cut a whole disc of content involving Trabia capital nation, Laguna journeying to Esthar, more Lunatic Pandora stuff, and the ruins of Centra continent.
>>3838110This map?
It's possible some areas in the game were intended to be completely different locations. For example, we know the Seaside Train Station just before the Salt Lake was drafted as the D-Desert station based on the concept pencil art. In the final game, Laguna's party finds the Lunatic Pandora excavation site on Centra. However, the very first area map is a roped road path that's very similar to the ones on the Trabia mountain path. Since Laguna's story is untold for the most part, we don't actually know what the sequence of events should have been. We know he ended up in the Shumi Village at some point, saved by a Moomba after falling off a mountain trying to get into Esthar. I feel like Laguna's poor sense of direction was really just an excuse to cover up the rushed development. Like, the Lunatic Pandora is this 3 mile high floating tower. The position and the Pandora labs and the Trabia crater suggest that the pandora can scale mountains. So it's a wonder Laguna didn't see it sooner.I'm just saying that Trabia Crater could have just as easily have been the excavation site.
>>3837979In FF14 the "keening" sound was a consequence of dynamis. Dynamis is like Aether but different. iirc, dynamis is responsible for limitbreaks. Or limitbreaks create a dynamis reaction. Some people don't accept that dynamis is a greek word for the will to fight, to continue, near death or near the end. That's what a near-death limitbreak is, after all. This thread has a kind of dynamis. The online games have this meta narrative about players continuing to play, to create more stories beyond the base game. FF8 is a dead world. FF16 is a dead world. They're not geting any new development or content. There's no hope for a future. It's long passed. Could the FF8 remaster get DLC?Hope is a demon. Elpis. That's what was in Pandora's Box. It can also mean expectation. A tormenting illusion that creates disappointment.
>>3836804It's believed that prokaryotes were the first lifeforms that emerged from the "primordial soup" In FF16, Ultima's race was also supposed to be the first life on the planet. Chrono Cross did a similar idea with the elemental dragons but admittedly it's a fuzzy concept because the story feels rushed and unfinished at the end with some nonsense about planets as zygotes. Ultima changes the sky purple as part of "Primogenesis". It's basically channeling Aether into the sky to flood the planet and turn everyone Akashic. Somehow aether erodes people's minds or wills, leaving them empty vessels for Ultima to possess. Genetic transfer, such as Ultima fragmenting it's eikon powers, is something bacteria do. I believe Ultima was depicted with a blue "spirit" body, because it was was analogous to Cyanobacteria. This concept is likely jumping off of FF15's starscourge, a parasitic plague or bacteria that mutates it's hosts.
>>3838637I used to see the Crystal in FF15 as a geode. But now I see a sperm cell.
Did you know? In sperm cells, the mitochondria are arranged in a spiral between the head and the tail.
>>3838197dynamis is a plato word, like how amaruot was from The Republic, dynamis means powered by god
>>3838666I meant to say Utopia, not the Republic, mb
>>3838666I think that dynamis, in philosophy, refers to agents of power. Like, bricks have the potential to come together as a wall, but the power to move and arrange them is the dynamis - the builder. But philosophy is kind of dumb. Like, duh. The builder has the power to create something from material. But it's the material that "energizes and validates" the builder's agency. They're not building anything without it. Right? Meaning they're not a builder. In FF11, "Dynamis" is the name of this dream realm ruled by the Terrestrial Avatar Diabolos. The point of this realm was to serve as an exit. After the meltdown event, life was barely hanging on by a thread. It wasn't a lack of will power but the fact that the planet just couldn't sustain life the way it had before.
>>3838824In FF16, Rosaria has "The Founder" as a kind of patron deity. At first glance it's kind of a boring mythology. The Founder placed a rock on a hill, and stone by stone it became a home. But it's more intriguing to hear developer commentary that Ifrit and Phoenix were meant to fuse into Diablos. Then seeing that Ultima's story in the Dimensional Rift has parallels with Dynamis in FF11. As if "The Founder" was meant to be Diablos, who then split into Ifrit and Phoenix. Just replace the meltdown event with "The Blight".
>>3837476>tfw I did a ton of DMT and never encountered fairies despite REALLY wanting tobut lawd the visuals
Long story short, the "gods" created humans as tools. And then went to sleep. This is identically to the myth of Hyne, told by the old man in Balamb. Only the humans were meant to demolish a mountain. When Hyne awoke and saw that humans had multiplied, he tried to cull the the children. But that made everyone angry, and he had to split his body in half to escape. Coincidentally, Xenogears also has a culling event call the Diabolos Collapse, involving humans that could channel aether. For Ultima in FF16, humans that can channel aether are the ideal host bodies.
Just started the game and why are all the NPCs tell me to get a GF, how do they know I'm single
>>3838637I'm sure this has come up before. But the description for the Moon Stone item says it's a rock with monsters living inside it. Wha--I mean, we all know monsters fall from the moon. But they're...in the rocks? Doesn't that mean the Crystal Pillar is also one giant moon stone? Or is it one giant Holy Stone? Because moon stone is refined into holy stones?
Once I finish leveling Squall to 100 (before Dollet)I can do the lv100 Seifer challenging in Dollet. It's going to be a lot slow with Seifer. In the early game, Squall can use Shiva's Doom ability on T-rex for the most experience.
>>3833400Did Shadow at least send financial support to Strago for Relm's education? Being a talented painter can't be cheap, after all.
I've done about everything, all I have to do is walk into Ultimecia's room.
>>3840791The what nowJust to beat the spider with seifer at 100?
>>3841166Game Clear!
>>3841212You don't fight x-atm092 with Seifer in your party. It's just to level him up...to level up. I did it with Edea on disc 3, once, but the exp is better there, plus you have Quistis' blue magic.
>>3841467If you level Seifer early like that does he become stronger when you fight him in the game?
>>3841497Yes, but no. Monsters and bosses scale with the party level. If you max your characters early, everything else will be maxed as well. Seifer obviously isn't in your party when you fight...Seifer. But he will be stronger since everyone else is. I'm not 100% sure how many bosses have a level cap or not. I'll have to scan them to know for sure. I think Ifrit was capped at like 40 or something, so people doing a lv100 run go ahead and fight him while leveling up.
>>3841512>I'm not 100% sure how many bosses have a level cap or not. I'll have to scan them to know for sure.every boss has a level cap but Omega weapon and Ultimecia I think
>>3841513>every boss has a level cap but Omega weapon and Ultimecia I thinkA couple of thing to note.The level cap on monsters was zone/progress dependent.On the PSX version bosses and enemies also had a minimum level cap, this was removed for the PC release. Biggest offense was Omega Weapon which had a minimum level cap of 100.
>Mad RushIt's about a level per minute. with 3x Speed on remaster. It's not as bad as I thought it would be. Since there's encounters with 3 soldiers on the brider for like 300-400 exp. Squall is level 100, but i'm keeping him k.o.ed with Zell. But they still contribute to the party level. So the enemies are all lv49. The exp return might drop once I get Seifer over 50
>>3841943At lv65 now. Took a break. Switched to another file to take Angelo for a walk again.
>>3833282i mean, everything after the jail is literally not her fault tho
Dog Training complete.
>>3842020What purpose does this serve? Getting all your GFs to level 100?
>>3833282Don't forget the part where she winds up hanging off of a cliff for half an hour during an important mission because she and Zell decided that was the best time to make matching jewelry for her and Squall. And then everyone yells at Squall for not going to save her immediately despite being in charge of a school full of rookies and noncombatants being attacked by soldiers.
>>3842268He's one step closer to fulfilling his dream. You have one too, don't you?
>>3833270Destroy the Oseans.
There's a lot going on in Dollet that you don't realize. You hit the beach, and the first team is looking for a information network cable to tap into. A new term is added to the help menu. Explaining that most countries don't communicate with each other because of the mysterious radio interference. They only suspect it has something to do with the moon. Anyways, only short range transmissions are possible. That's why Selphie has to relay messages on foot. When you cross the bridge, you rescue Dollet soldiers from monsters. Another new term is added to the help menu. Monsters. It actually tells you at this point that monsters rain down from the moon during a lunar cry. So all the monsters you are fighting are ones that have bred on the planet since the last lunar cry. Some animals are mutated as well by the strange energy. The Dollet soldier wonders what Galbadia wants with the Communication tower. He said he used to play in it as a kid, but now it's infested with monsters.We don't learn more until Disc 3 that the radio interference is actually the powerful seal on Adel's Tomb. But I suspect this was a revision, and that the writers were originally going in a different direction. Because there's a theme here that countries are seeking connection. Ellone's power is literally called connection. See?
>>3842576Before Seifer leaves the party, he starts talking about why he loves battles and fears nothing, because of his dream. Squall is like. "Dreams?!" And refuses to talk about that subject. In the demo version, the dialogue is slightly different and telling that "dreams" are not ordinary. Saying "You were there..."In Esthar, there's even a scientist that wants to create robots that can "dream" as well. And throughout the game, they insist on calling the Laguna segments "Dreams" when they're closer to memories.
>>3842583"You are a fading dream, but one touched by reality. Spira will not forget it's reality, nor the one who saved it. Run, dream; Run on. Pass beyond the waking, and walk into the daylight."
Yojimbo's dog is named Daigoro. In World of Final Fantasy (Maxima Edition) he also has a 2nd dog named Gamit. He's really hard to get to. The quest: "The Power of the Moon Will Make the Phantom Flower Bloom" is locked behind hidden quest in some of the longest dungeons. In this game, Yojimbo is guarding the "Night Queen" flower. Which blooms in the desert under the moon. It's partly reenacting FF4's quest to cure Rosa's desert fever.In FF4 is was the "Desert Light" in Japanese, and "Sandpearl/ Desert Ruby" in English versions, guarded by antlions. Now, in FF8, the help menu term "Moon" explains the power of the moon makes people forget. Raine's favorite flower was white, and she believed in replacing forgotten memories. If Ellone's power connected people to memories, and this memories could be erased, then perhaps they could also be replaced with new memories. We've all heard about shaping the future for ourselves; why not the past too?
WoFF is super fascinating in the way it blends all the final fantasy characters together into a single continuity. For instance. they don't have Ellone, but they have Shelke. Shelke is supposed to have a sister. But in WoFF she is given a "dream" by Diabolos implying she had a brother. (I think it was meant to be Squall)
Shelke has the ability to perform network dives. She "dives into networks and gathers data fragments".While she, herself, hasn't been featured in the Remakes, the infrastructure that is the platform of her abilities is seen in Rebirth, with the Remnawave Towers, which Chadley also uses.
>>3842608But what are Remnawave Towers? Why were they shutdown in the first place?
>>3842609I'm not sure where or why the English localization gave it this name. As far as I can tell, the japanese version just thinks of them as Communication Towers for radio/wireless transmission. But...speaking of "Radio". 15 years prior, Glen Lodbrok, went on a geological survey mission that "failed" and then he "defected". There's some pretty big differences in the way English and Japanese scripts talk about it. The mission was in "Rhadore", but it's spelling in Japanese is more like "Radiol". It's an island chain that's only seen in Ever Crisis. Ironically, they don't have radio there either, they communicate with smoke signals. The person tasked with keeping the signals going is the "Eye of Rhadore" called Rosen. He has a dog too, named Refu. Shinra of course wanted to build a Mako reactor there, their excavation causes monsters to attack. Sephiroth is there to save the day, and everyone...
...everyone...
"Sephiroth made the right call. He can do no wrong."
>>3842647>Crimson Sphere>REC iconOh, now I get it.
Just did a 2-3 month playthrough. Took 829 screenshots lol.Going into Esthar there's this console you can interact with that controls the camo panels that hide Esthar. 6th or 7th time beating the game and I still found little details and new dialog like that.I did a "battle almost everything run" and you know, the contention that "leveling makes the game harder" is bollocks. After you level enough you scale much more than enemies AND you have better magic, abilities, and items. It was significantly more fun than a low-level run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVk6jv-I7XY
It's a lot easier to grind lv1 to 99 in WoFF. Did it with my moomba mirage. Moomba is a mid size transfiguration of the courel. So its got status effect attacks with a chance to inflict death. It went a long ways until another mirage learned doom, which was much faster and more reliable. The trophy for mastering 100 mirage boards it still torture. It was a lot easier to get Seifer to 100. Most boards max out at level 60 or 70. And the AP is free to use again after transfiguring mirages to recolored variants. So mastering 1 is mastering 2 or 3 in some cases. But it makes it harder to keep track of trophey progression.
Does WoFF have any dog mirages? Yes. There's the Fenrir and Cerberus variety. Tama, and the kitsune foxes.Maxima Edition added a small mirage that's from a woff manga but I don't know what its story is. His profile reads he's on a mission. He's got a dog face too, but he doesn't have any transformations.
>>3843890Mel from the Meli-melo mobile game and manga is a support npc, like Tama and Serifi in WoFF. He allegedly has a jiant form with differen phases. But connecting the dots, I think he's just a Small form of Gilgamesh. Both are the few mirages that carry over to a new game +.
In WoFF, you play as "Jiants", Lann and Reynn, who have the ability to summon mirages and "imprism" them. Although I think the prisms are actually called "Garden Gems" in japanese. All the other NPCs and FF cameo "champions" are "Lilikins". In the Meli-Melo mobile games, player play as their own Lilikin, but they also have the ability to summon mirages as "Garden users". However, unlike Balamb Garden in WoFF, Meli-Melo garden seems to be more of a literal farm-ville type "social" game app.The mobile app was only available in Japan for a year before it ended it's service. So I can't dig up much on unique story content. In WoFF, Squall talks about his dream to "fill the world with flowers". Like an actual flower garden.
It's possible that "moonstone" in FF8 are actually prisms. Moonstone is also the GF Compatibility item for Alexander. Without getting into specifics, "Alexander" is kind of the administrator of WoFF that gave Lann and Reynn their abilities in the first places.
>>3844540Technically prisms hold "mirages". They're more like holographic impressions. FF8 also has holograms, which was used to trap Adel. Adel could also be described as a "Jiant". While Adel's reign was described as "terrible". Lann and Reynn were also implied to have had a terrible past history. But that time was "lost" - like, it did but didn't happen - and so, you play as the twins with plot convenient amnesia.
>>3844540the alexander theme song in FF14 is very cool. Exponential Entropy
>>3844543Prisms and moonstones could all just be another name for nethicite as well. In Japanese it has a name that has the connotation of Exorcist stone. FF11 also had an exorcist stone, in the since that it seal spirits, souls, and demons inside it. It wasn't a major plot point or anything. There was a character in the Seekers of Adoulin expansion, who was a exorcist, and this stone from that region was used in that manner. I had a thought that maybe the gargoyles Edea/Ultimecia animated were actually just carved from moonstone?Likewise, in FF7 Ever crisis, the Wutai region has a bunch of stone statues that were also sealing away monsters. This was different from the statues and temple that ancients built in cosmo canyon to commune with the Gi tribe.
I want to play in ff8kun's ffd20 campaign
