No.

>>3835522
RTwP is filth

Obviously the original.

>Bioware games
Truly shit and introduced toxic design trends that have plagued RPGs since.
>BG3
Good, very interactive games, emphasizes tactics in combat and true roleplaying. Almost a return to pre-Bioslop design.

>>3835531
Ironic considering the worst thing Bioware cursed the genre with was romances, which were a cornerstone of BG3

3
hate rtwp
love tb
simple as

>>3835531
saaaaar

>>3835522
Baldur's Gate III. I played I and II the summer before Baldur's Gate III, and I was honestly unimpressed. I honestly hated I and I was glad when it ended, and II while better, still wasn't that fun to me. I'm not baiting when I say that I honestly preferred Dragon Age Origins, Pathfinder Kingmaker, and Pathfinder WoTR.
So to answer your question, I prefer III to I and II

BG1 > BG2 > DOS2 > TOB > DOS1 > Divine Divinity > BG3

>>3835522
They are not similar. There is no comparison possible between them. BG3 only has the brand name / logo. It's a completely and profoundly different experience.
Also ToB was an expansion of BG2, so there was no "trilogy", there was just BG1 and its expansions, and BG2 and its expansions.

>>3835531
What were the toxic design trends, specifically? What specific things did you not like that Bioware introduced to RPGs which didn't exist in RPGs before?

>>3835575
What didn't you like about II? Keep in mind that it was made with a shoestring budget on an insanely primitive, unsophisticated engine for ridiculously limited hardware. NEETs tinkering with RPGMaker in their bedrooms today have more resources available to make their games. I'm not exaggerating.
And it was all done DECADES before the Owlcat games. Are the Owlcat games vastly larger and more fully-fleshed? Yes. They also have astronomically more technology and resources available to make them. BG2 was made by like twelve people.
You can still go download Near Infinity and crack open the game's files and see what you can do. NI is a modern toolkit developed and improved specifically for the Infinity Engine games. It's had decades of work done to improve its functionality. The Bioware team made BG2 with fucking NOTEPAD. The art assets were made in an era before graphics tablets were a thing. Everything you are looking at was assembled with a fucking trackball mouse in a version of Photoshop so primitive it was barely more than a glorified MSPaint. In the goddamn 1990s.

>>3835595
NTA, but 1. Having a smaller number of “companions” with more fleshed out stories and quests, rather than a larger number of generic characters/custom party creation, and 2. Romances. Most cRPGs have aped the BG2 formula since it came out.

>>3835531
>BG3
>true roleplaying
You gave it away here, laid on the bait too thick

>>3835522
haven't played dos3 so definitely bg1 & 2

>>3835531
someone's a fag... design trends like what? lol

>>3835533
hey the viconia romance while annoying to manage, is one of the most satisfying and complex romance. if you can tolerate a drow bitch

>>3835522
3, but mainly because I didn't have a PC to game when it released. Didn't start PC gaming until NWN in 2002. I'd probably have nostalgia and like BG1 better if I played it when it released.

>>3835606
How is it a cornerstone? Beat the game multiple times and did nothing with romances. Think 1 time during all my play throughs Gale said 1 thing at camp and I told him to fuck off.

>>3835606
>>3835617
Shit wrong person, meant to reply to this fag

>>3835533

>>3835617
>pretending millions of dollars and tons of dev time weren't wasted on romances
>pretending that the game doesn't force them down your throat repeatedly
There really are people who just blatantly lie when they know the other party knows the truth. It's wild.

>>3835533
>Ironic considering the worst thing Bioware cursed the genre with was romances, which were a cornerstone of BG3

It's even more ironic considering a lot of the devs from those games now work at Obsidian and not having romances or not having ego stroking romances is the most common flak this board has against Obsidians games.

The curse is so deep it rotted the brain of this board.

>>3835522
Original BGs are far, far better. Turn based is less immersive AND way easier, why would you prefer that? Casuals get off my board.

Just look at difficulty mods for each game, SCS just tweaks the AI but doesn't inflate any stats at all - this provides sufficient challenge. BG3 mods on the other hand have to make everything do double damage and have triple the hp to provide an equivalent challenge but it doesn't end up making it much more fun.
But hey at least you can play BG3 one handed wink wink, no wonder some people here prefer it. They don't actually like good gameplay.

>>3835652
>pausing the game every 2 seconds to circumvent the shit tier pathfinding is le immersive

>>3835525
filtered
>>3835543
yeah killing your enemies before they can even move is peak roleplaying

I liked 3 overall. I couldn't get into 1 and 2, a result of my age as well as the games. Also I hate RTwP.

>>3835597
You're right, yet those monkeys don't care. You could put the finest of wine and cheese and meat and they would complain, but if you put the sloppiest of slop in front of them and they would chomp it up.

>>3835652
>SCS just tweaks the AI
This is objectively incorrect. Look at the readme and get back to me.
>>3835675
Skill issue.

>>3835723
>Look at the readme and get back to me.
good thing EVERYTHING is optional and can omit components you dont like

>>3835626
Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks

>>3835749
First of all, the standard SCS install (which is what everyone means by SCS unless otherwise stated) changes a shitton. Second, even the AI components tweak more than just scripts, mate. If you actually read the readme you would know this.

BG 1/2 are good despite being RTWP, not because of it
BG3 is bad despite being turn based, not because of it

>>3835757
/thread

>>3835575
So you played through 2 entire games (one being very long) you hated? As someone who rarely finishes games he likes I can't understand this.

>>3835754
First of all, nobody really plays the original BG1 anymore only the Enhanced Edition, which differs quite a bit. BG1 was more of a proof of concept, and BioWare kept refining the engine and gameplay. By the time BG2 and Throne of Bhaal came out a lot had changed. There’s also the unofficial Ascension mod, created by BG’s design director David Gaider himself, which overhauled ToB’s final chapter, reworked encounters and made the rushed expansion feel much more satisfying, sadly most people who played the original unmodded game never experienced it. Thing is nobody wants the tedium of 20 arrow stacks, horrible loot picking and pixel-hunting every location just because the original BG1 lacked a simple function like highlight button, those were exactly the kind of improvements added in later releases. I treat SCS the same way, its a 20 years tried and tested mod by passionate people which improves the gameplay and makes BG1/2 more fun in every aspect.

>>3835777
> First of all, nobody really plays the original BG1 anymore only the Enhanced Edition
Stopped reading here. Waste of trips.

>>3835779
I’m glad you revealed your crippling autism and mentally retardation so i dont have to waste my time anymore.

>>3835777
>moving the goal posts
>changing the topic
>throwing out the bait
Pretty poor discussion tactics you have there. You would have been better off taking the L and admitting SCS changes more than "just the AI". It is an important distinction to make, so I corrected you and now you're throwing a little bitch fit. Enjoy all the changes and modifications you like, but don't act like you're somehow not changing the game when you are.
>First of all, nobody really plays the original BG1 anymore only the Enhanced Edition.
>Thing is nobody wants the tedium of 20 arrow stacks, horrible loot picking and pixel-hunting every location
This exists only in your head. I reckon it's because you've fried your brain on drugs or social media, but I could be wrong. Maybe you were just born retarded. Regardless, what a waste of trips.

>>3835786
i thought u said u didnt read it, hope you play 640x480 on CRT unpatched version on windows 95 and CRT and pentium 200mhz otherwise its not valid faggot. Thats last time im giving u attention you are clearly mentally unwell and will kill yourself sooner than later.

>>3835789
>being this mentally ill
Take your meds.

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>>3835598
I'm not sure I'm really understanding what you're trying to say. Are you trying to claim that companions with fleshed out stories comprised of personality development that takes place if you interact with them and help them with their personal quests... are you... you're saying that's... BAD?!

>>3835804
>Are you trying to claim that companions with fleshed out stories comprised of personality development that takes place if you interact with them and help them with their personal quests... are you... you're saying that's... BAD?!
It was novel and interesting at the time, but the crux is that it hinges upon having interesting characters and talented writers. Look what’s happened to the cRPG genre over the past few decades. With the benefit of hindsight, it was clearly a mistake. Now they’ve turned into dating sims with ugly and deeply unlikeable characters, written by irony-poisoned millennials who use fantasy worlds as a soapbox from which to project their modern politics. The dominance of the BG2 formula has been a monkeys paw, at best, even if BG2 itself will always have a fond place in my heart.

Nu-cRPGs are literally more fun if you return to monke and use custom parties of mute generics and completely reject all companions (if you’re even allowed to lmao), in my subjective opinion.

>>3835811
The specific games you're whining about have been universally lauded as among the greatest works of art our species has ever created.
Just... keep that in mind.

>>3835811
>Nu-cRPGs are literally more fun if you return to monke and use custom parties of mute generics and completely reject all companions (if you’re even allowed to lmao), in my subjective opinion.
I can't play it otherwise. Poe 1 and 2 are still shit, despite looking fantastic. Will soon play nwn in bg2 with ripped poe 1 and 2 assets. Actually people should use the assets to create something interesting. Bg3 as dungeon crawler is fun.

>>3835777
Are you actually Gayder? His mod is nice, but doesn't do much other than changing the boss fights and likely bugging out the final fight because it's so script heavy. (When the script fails the monk cannot be killed.) It's not an overhaul at all, so you must be him to praise it so much.

>>3835522
Original.
>>3835531
That is true, and that is why Black Isle's Icewind Dale is much better.
Even so, BG1 & 2 is still infinitely less repugnant in a plethora of ways, than BG 3.

>>3835543
Do you have autism? Do you panic when something unforseen warranting you to react quickly in real life?
Get real dude

>>3835815
>The specific games you're whining about have been universally lauded as among the greatest works of art our species has ever created.

Which says more about how low the bar has fallen. If the companions of BG3, Pathfinder WotR and shit is the "pinnacle", we're doomed.

>>3835777
The best way to play BG1 is in BGT, using the BG2 Improved UI mod to get all the EE QoL without dealing with Beamdog shit.

>>3835815
This little guy was born past 9/11

>>3835890
This

>>3835522
bg2 is the best game imo because it starts you out at iirc level 7, and so for instance a fighter isn't just a simple kit swing sword and miss, you actually have a few more options, more buttans to press like on a wizard. bg3 is fun but i got to the 3rd act and was 1 level away from max level, and had really good gear, so i lost interest and never beat it. i like how rpgs are moving to turn based now altho i always like rtwp back in the day.

>>3835890
Does it really set a 3 mil xp cap in SoA?

>>3835804
>Are you trying to claim that companions with fleshed out stories comprised of personality development that takes place if you interact with them and help them with their personal quests... are you... you're saying that's... BAD?!
There's a percentage of retards on this board that blame BG2 for all their modern CRPG woes. For some reason it's not the fault of the devs of the other games, it's BG2's fault because they expanded companion interactions and "it started there". Even though companions and companion interaction has been present in RPGs since the beginning, it's still BG2's fault. Even though modern businesses leverage the graphics and romance/companion interaction to hook casuals, it's still BG2's fault because it "gave them the idea".

>>3835522
the originals have a special place in my heart
they got me into crpgs after watching this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjWWuUDtSaE
I was already pretty attracted to dnd but I never played it irl. so having heard bg1 and 2 were like dnd with a cpu dungeonmaster was enough for me to try it out, not expecting much since the graphics were so dated (I began with the enhanced editions)
ended up loving it and being an absolute crpg fan ever since

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>>3835890
there are is a mod which removes beamdog addition with multiple options to suit your needs, most mods got ported and are updated only for EE version and i could not imagine playing bg1/2 without EEex + spell menu UI.

>>3835522
the original.
>>3835525
noob down.

>EET
>SCS
>ToF
>Infinity UI++
>Spell Revision
>Tweaks Anthology
>Imoen Romance Mod
yep, it's gaming time.

>>3835918
>Spell Revision
What does this mod do?
>FANFIC ROMANCE
Please...

>>3835918
>Spell Revision
no thanks, also you forgot https://www.gibberlings3.net/mods/quests/ascension/

>>3835920
it rebalances the spells. some like it, some don't. i do tho.
>>3835923
>Asencsion
true that. i probably forgot some other mods.

I also use custom modified Morpheus powergaming script. Usually by the time i got to ToB prebuffing was killing me but now i press one hotkey and all long lasting buffs i always prebuffed every rest are auto cast for me while i manually cast all specific and short buffs myself when needed. It strikes balance and made late SoA and ToB fun to play again.

>>3835525
Spbp and /thread

>>3835928
I see. Idk, can't say anything about it. Certainly the bg2 spells need balance, at least some. Iirc some are bugged, too. I liked the spells in iwd:ee.

>>3835811
Obviously true post that only brokebrained sun deprived coomers will refute

>>3835941
if you liked how they worked in iwd, then chances are high that you will like the mod. that's where the inspiration was drawn from and some spells were literally backported.

>>3835933
yeah, automating the prebuffing is a must as you progress.
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/84149/2-6-bg2-radar-overlay-released
this mod is also very useful.

>>3835901
That's what Tweaks Anthology is for.

for everyone who played SCS to death and want to experience another challenging but different mod theres tactics remix https://www.morpheus-mart.com/tactics-remix

I think BG1/2 will always be special to me, but honestly the game doesn't really do much in the role play side of things, there's just things that are there to take and you can sometimes decide between the nice way and the mean way. You can't even decide to turn down quests. It's less a DnD sim and more a DnD combat sim. BG2 goes harder on a narrative focus instead of just wandering around the woods like the first one, but that never really changes (there's just more dialogue). If anything I think it kind of detracts from its charm and is only balanced out by Irenicus having a great voice and therefor being a great villain
BG3 actually attempting to handle the out of combat side of things in a way many other RPGs avoid goes a long way for me. I also prefer turn based and less of that diablo goblin hoard shit, but really that's a secondary concern. The only thing that really tarnished BG3 a little to me is some choices they made in its direction, but I don't think judging a game by comparing it to one that never existed is particularly fair.

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Thoughts on this change to Aerie hair?

>>3835890
>The best way to play BG1 is in BGT
I’ve been saying this for decades, but I no longer believe it to be true. The next time I feel like playing BG1, it will be in the BG1 engine.

>>3835967
The biggest reason I like Tutu is just for being able to import certain classes if I want to do a replay that spans both games. Otherwise I don't think it's really necessary.

>>3835969
Yeah, if needed I will just use Shadowkeeper and edit my save accordingly.

>>3835967
based

>>3835966
looks worse and makes no sense. she's a hippie winged elf raised at a circus.

>>3835954
have you tried it? it's kind of hard to quickly grasp what are the main differences between this and scs.

>>3835966
Would Aerie both with original and nude hair

I grew up on 1 and 2 but I still prefer 3. The turn based combat is just far superior to RTwP. Also I feel that Larian understands D&D and what it's mean to be about much more than Bioware ever did. The ability to throw things, use environmental damage, stealth mechanics etc. It's the type of things you used to only see in PnP campaigns.

>>3835951
Holy shit, anon. What a fucken nightmare. That is exactly what I hate about those stupid mods. They jam literally a bajillion changes into these things that are all so different and then you have to pick and choose because you do not want all of then. Sure, some of them might be alright, but fuck if I'm gonna take the time to study that gigantic readme. God forbid I have to reinstall, and after how many years my old saves aren't gonna work anymore. What a headache. The original game works great as is. I will tolerate a mod like Unfinished Business because it is focused and it stays in its fucken lane. That anthology shitshow is insane.

Is the SCS mod that much of an improvement over vanilla BG1 and BG2? I played these games a long time ago but I want to do another playthrough. I don't want to change it too much, maybe just improve the AI.

>>3836063
I only finished SCS for BG1 and didn’t enjoy it. SCS for BG2 leans heavily toward “wizard chess” and puzzle gameplay and there is frequently only one correct specific sequence of spells/tactics needed to beat a fight. Some people really enjoy that and it tickles their tism, I don’t care for it personally. And the newer versions of SCS require the “EE”s which is a deal breaker for me

>>3836063
>that much of an improvement over vanilla BG1 and BG2?
No, not really. I don't think it's worth the hassle or the changes. First of all SCS is a huge mod. There's a ton of changes. The AI really isn't so bad in the originals. There certainly is room for improvement, but there currently exists no AI mod that just improves the scripts and nothing else. SCS changes enemies, like what spells/abilities they can use and also adds items in some cases. If you're just coming back from a long break, then you probably won't notice any issue with AI much.

Playing bg2 for the first time.
Why does the game dump multiple time sensitive quests at the same time in chapter 2?
Is this supposed to deter rest-scumming, because having my party constantly nag is obnoxious.

>>3836091
A lot of them only seem to be time sensitive when they actually aren't. iirc it's mostly only for companion specific stuff if you want them in your party outside a handful of them

>>3836091
You mean the companion quests? You didn't actually think people are gonna join your party and risk their neck for literally nothing did you?

>>3835888
Don’t you know Nenio is peak writing

>not playing 20+ years ago
you newfags will never get BG1 and BG2
>muh real time combat hard and BAD
checks out

>>3836091
only companion quests are time sensitive and they will tell you if you wait too long, rest you can take as long as you want even if the wording implies you should hurry.

>>3836063
It’s a mod best suited for subsequent playthroughs. If it’s your first time stick to vanilla and maybe bump the difficulty to Core or higher if you know how D&D works (you can change it at any point in the game).

>>3835522
BG2 remains my favorite, but I did enjoy BG3 a lot more than I initially expected.

>>3836213
BG3 fans aren't BG fans, they're Divinity fans.

>>3836287
And that's just one reason why BG3 is so shitty.

>>3836287
I don't care for Divinity and never played the sequel. I played a shit ton of BG1 and 2. I like BG3

>>3835597
none of that makes the game any better tho

>>3835966
might listen to her whine a bit if she looked like that.

>>3836683
Yes it does, though. If you don't like playing older games, I have terrible news for you: the most recent game you can play was made with outdated technology. Because it takes five years to make one.
So, really, your personal cutoff for when games stop being good is absolutely arbitrary and baseless.
And therefore, no one has to respect your opinion on the matter.

>>3836907
No one has said anything even close to that. What the fuck are you making up schizo?

>>3835522
This is like asking: Do you enjoy loving, satisfying sex with your wife or do you want to get fucked in the ass by some aids ridden freak. You know which option Reddit will prefer.

>>3835522

Honestly i can´t say. Back when i was young i preferred JRPGs over WRPGs. I can play games like CT or Valkyrie profile without feeling they are dated in the slightest but i feel i´m overly critical or biased towards old WRPGs (anything before Dragon Age Origins)

Also i did like BG3 but i think i probably like the DoS and Pathfinder games more. But yeah, BG3 was pretty good.

>>3836683
Sure it does. Could have fooled me. If you didn't like the IE games, then you just don't have any taste, champ. You probably grew up on slop and that's all you like now. It's unfortunate, but ya see it all the time.

>>3835966
>>3836899
>gets LeTired mid fight

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>>3835525
factual

>>3837030
>thrash mobs
stopped reading, faggot

>>3837034
>RTWPchimps are the boomer equivalent of ipad kids
keep reading bitch it'll make you smarter

>>3837035
>dat greentext
yeah, that really gives confidence you have a brain and there was some "thought" instead of stupid buzzword copes

Last time i argued with anti-RTWP poster he exposed himself he didnt even know you can give orders during pause. Since then i ignore those posts cause its guaranteed its larian DOS3 fanoboy who never played or cared about original BG games.

>>3835522
Bg1 and 2 are masterpieces, bg3 is pure shit, gamers are mentally ill to like that piece of crap

I'm sorry but bg1 and 2 have more in common with the hero unit missions of red alert and age of empires than anything resembling a role-playing game, tabletop or video

>>3837058
>a retard shares his opinion

>>3835522
the original games were better imo.

BG3 peaks in act 2 and feels like its running on fumes when you finally get to the city. BG1 opens up even more so when you get to the titular city.

the vibe of BG3 is silly. its like its afraid to take itself seriously and really get stuck into the setting. its wears thin. you can't be epic and silly at the same time. whereas BG1 wears its heart on it sleeve from day 1. grandiose speeches and thrilling showdowns from the get go. sure theres some comic relief but its better to have comic relief than constant comedy

the setting of BG3 feels very generic until you get to the city. BG1 is very much set in the sword coast, famous locations and factions. BG3 could be anywhere.

alignment/classes/stats/itemization all feel meaningless in BG3. you can change to anything you like at any time and most "builds" simply revolve around cheesing some mechanic.


its still a good game but i don't think it holds up to the rest of the series. its the fallout 3/4 of baldurs gate games

>>3837061
Did I hit a nerve gay jew nigger?

>>3837030
Lmao.
>turn-based enjoyers are fragile, slop drones
>turn-based haters are goblin jews
RTwP enjoyers must be charismatic, white colonizers. How many generations of turn-baseders would it take to colonize the new worlds?
>>3837045
Indeed. Last time I spoke with one thry eventually admitted that it's just too difficult to manage everything all at once. In every single RTwP & TB thread I've seen, the consensus is that TB is a good way to make a game easier and everyone who hates RTwP lacks skill and understanding.
>>3837058
>bg1 and 2 have more in common with legendary games than modern, AAA slop
Really makes you think.

>>3837081
>alignment/classes/stats/itemization all feel meaningless in BG3. you can change to anything you like at any time and most "builds" simply revolve around cheesing some mechanic.
That's because it's D&D 5e. Those specific features are very commonly cited as crippling design failures. They are not the only problems, but they are definitely well understood and recognized ones.

BG3's writing all over is just awful childrens' cartoon level. It is not an epic fantasy piece with gravitas. It has nothing significant to say about the human condition. It's a softcore porn dating sim with a tedious combat system you can sidestep by throwing barrels.