Final Fantasy IX is a game you either love or hate. Which camp are you on?
it's ok
>>3835720It's my favorite Final Fantasy game
>>3835730>Everyone has a partner>Except QuinaToday I've learned I am Quina.
It's pretty good. A little too easy for my taste. Once you unlock auto-haste and auto-regen you've basically won the game.
>>3835720It’s highly overrated. I would rate it below any of the other PSX or SNES era FFs.
>>3835730Zidane cracked that open
>>3835720I love it but I also feel like it's overrated. It feels like when people say it's their favorite it's because they want to look sophisticated (while talking about video games).
>>3835720I hate it because the ATB is the loosest one in the whole series and has the most abusable way to out-turn opponents by stalling their ATB bars during animations. If the screws were tightened up and the turn inequality was fixed, it would immediately have a positive effect on the game's balance and challenge.
>>3835730Where's necron?
>>3835924>It feels like when people say it's their favorite it's because they want to look sophisticatedthat's 12, not 9.
>>3835982Nah, people have been doing that since well before 12 came out. There was a certain style of FF fan who started the series with the PSX games (7 was absolutely huge for its time, and tons of people played it as their first) but wanted to be proto-hipsters (this was a few years before that was a thing) and claimed 9 as their favorite in an attempt to borrow the street cred of the older pre-7 games.
>>3835720Its not my favorite but its up there. It has a few problems but overall I think its a pretty damn good game. And has really good storytelling for a Final Fantasy game
I love FFIX. Too easy and too slow without mods but the atmosphere is perfect. Even having beaten it ~10 times I still discover new hidden scenes and treasures each run.>>3835731I know you're talking about that image, but... You can choose for Quina and Vivi to get married in Conde Petie in the game lol.On the topic, the entire Qu clan appears to be a racist depiction of the Chinese.
>>3835720Love it. This was the Only FF game I owned as a child. I didn't play any others until I was an adult and so I thought the rest of the series was similar in aesthetic. Naturally, I was pretty shocked when I booted up FF7 for the first time and it looked like Blade Runner.
>>3836055I didn't know you could marry anyone else besides Zidane and Garnet
>>3835720No, I think it’s good, just not as overwhelmingly good as 7 or 8 (I started at 7, don’t come at me)
>>3836104Yep IMO it's not as good as 7 and 6, but I disagree, it is definitely better than 8 if you hate the junction system
>>3835720Love the first 2 discs.Neutral towards the 3rd.Fucking hate the 4th.
>>3835730I like that it's implying Amarant is the down low with Kuja. That's adorable and sexy at the same time. Very classic pairing, hyper-camp femme twink with daddy issues and a superiority complex going with the closeted, self-loathing hypermasculine stoic martial artist. Very RawDawg comics Bingus/Stahli.
>>3835924How is it overrated? It's the final summation of everything learned from the previous final fantasies (except for 7 and 8 which were practice demos for the nu-anime yet to come). Everything about the old school final fantasy concept is perfected and polished in 9, executed without any weak elements, even. It's the platonic ideal of the jrpg form. Literally.
>>3835720IX is my fav of the ones I have played. >>3835731Amarant is also alone.and technically, Kuja and Mikoto are siblings
>>3836163>executed without any weak elementsCombat pacing kills the game.Combat in general is kind of shitty with abilities being tacked on and boring.Too much bloat (Mognet, shitty card game, ect.)
>>3836166No, Amarant is with Kuja, he's just embarrassed about it. But being seen in public together is a big step for him, so it's ok if he takes his time.
>>3836174Yeah, just make shit up and say the opposite of whatever is happening. Yeah. Sure. Ok. Cool.
>>3836181The most often mentioned complaint is that the combat is way too slow.
>>3835720I haven't beaten it yet, but where I'm at I honestly couldn't answer. I really like it, but at the same time, the characters have been stuck in their existential crisis without any attempts to grow so it feels like the story isn't going anywhere AND the battles are becoming aggravatingly slow. So I don't know.
>>3836185We know you talk a lot. Like. That's obvious. Your problem is that you think whatever feces tumbles from your face hole is the same thing as a valid opinion or critique. It's not. And it does not matter how frequently you shit from your face, that's just irrelevant.
>>3836163>first FF with a female protagonist
>>3836174>Combat pacing kills the game.You can't even play the game today legally without a version fast forward options.Original game has hacks to fix that.>Combat in general is kind of shitty with abilities being tacked on and boring.I have no idea what you mean?>Too much bloat (Mognet, shitty card game, ect.)Mognet, is not necessary.The card game is only needed in treno and you can lose. This isn't ff8 where the entire game is structured around the card game.ff9 has the least amount of bloat amount he ff psx games.tldr: You are a fag making shit up.
>>3836188>>3836181The combat is fucked and did absolutely NOTHING with ATB as a concept while other games were actually inovating and developing at a concept. Why are you behaving like a mindless fanboy? That's Sakaguchi's problem, he doesn't care about gameplay at all, which I guess he does know his audience because they don't care about gameplay either.
>>3836268>The combat is fuckedYour wrong opinion, a susual.>OTHING with ATB as a concept while other games were actually inovating and developing at a concept.ff7-9 all use the same atb system with slight variance in speed. Only once ff10 arrives do any real changes happen.Materia, junction and skills have nothing to do with atb.>Why are you behaving like a mindless fanboy?The better question is why are you behaving like a mindless hater?>he doesn't care about gameplay at allAh yes, the man that oversaw the majority the ff's with good gameplay cares nothing about gameplay?
>>3835720I don't hate it, but I just could never get into it. Which is odd considering I liked FF7 and FF8. I guess the characters, story, world don't really appeal to me and the battles feel like a slog. The game also feels like it runs worse than FF7 and FF8.
>>3835720For me it was the culmination and perfect end to the series. In the end I like 6 and 3 a little more overall, but 9 is near perfect and a wonderful blend of the older and newer games. I was so satisfied after it I stopped playing the series, though I do still kind of want to try 12 now.
>>3835730>Omits Necron>No Zorn and Thorn>Forgets about the Disc-1 power-coupleWhat even is this?
>>3836188The ATB system in 9 is almost half as fast as 8, which is about half the speed of 7.There's a patch to fix it.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4EmoTxMUiRMYou're retarded or a not.
>>3836312>ff7-9 all use the same atb system with slight variance in speed> slight variance in speed> slight variance9 being 1/3 the speed of 7 is "slight variance" dude remove Square's cock from your tonsils
>>3836396Your argument had nothing to do with speed.You were arguing that other games were "revolutionizing" the atb system used in ff9, nobody mentioned speed.And speed is an acknowledged problem with ff9 that is literally solved IN EVERY SINGLE VERSION OF FFIX TODAY.Using an emulator, you have built in speed options and rom hacks.Using steam or other version, you have built in speed options.Not my problem you can't even follow your own arguments.
>>3836396>"slight variance"To help put this in a visual context.The same "slight variance" can be seen in sales between 7 and 9.
>>3836403Wow,7 outsold 9 by a lot. And your point is?I know you are obviously illiterate but there is major difference when dealing with a couple of seconds and millions units sold differences.And the difference in speed is slight since we are dealing with sub 10 second differences.To explain to to you simply, 1 x 2 = 2, which is a slight increase in numbers even though it is doubled.
>>3836401That's not me, retard. I'm just taking issue with speed being a "minor issue".Speed is one of the major issues.And not just speed, but also ATB progression during enemy & party animations, and how statuses tick during these.It's possible that more than one person feels you're full of shit.
>>3836418>That's not me, retardYou are seriously using "it is not me "?>Speed is one of the major issues.>And not just speed, but also ATB progression during enemy & party animations, and how statuses tick during these.So you can obviously prove these with data, right? I mean actual numbers, not percentages.You must have data compared to 7 and 8, right?I thought so, you are full of shit. Game is slower then 7 and 8, but not in an extreme way you are trying to present it.
>>3836424"Everyone who disagrees with me is my gang stalker" take your meds, schizo lolcow.Literally run a battle in each game in emulators at the same time, and see for yourself.
>>3836426If it is so simple, just try it yourself and give me some data.I know you won't.
>>3836418The biggest mistake Final Fantasy made was decoupling the menu controls from the animations, and the second biggest mistake was a lack of transparency about the state of queued actions.Allowing the player to clog up the command queue with a mountain of garbage that takes an eternity to execute would have honestly been acceptable if it wasn't for the fact that the limiting factor was always technical shit and low spec hardware. They finally started to get shit sorted out in FFXII when the majority of the most commonly used actions could execute simultaneously without breaking the flow of battle (the exceptions being high-end animations that required the whole system to focus on it).Literally all they needed to do at any point was show a list of who is doing what and in what order and a solid 50% of people's perceived issues with ATB would be fixed, since they would have new information to consider instead of being forced to sit around doing fuck all.
>>3836436We all know you'll claim "fake news" and try and claim the gamespeed/video has been altered. You could watch a million youtube videos on the issue but you've deluded yourself in to thinking it's a conspiracy.
>>3836467What a surprise, the old "you will claim it is fake so i won't even bother"Post a video or stats and if you do, actually make sure the video is talking about that and i will concede.
>>3836436At level 99.Zidane has a base speed of 32 Cloud has 55-62 Squall has 37Objectively speaking the ATB in 8 is almost as slow as 9, however it is much easier to increase your speed in 8.
>>3835720love. blue text bubble give me the ick though
>>3836480>Objectively speaking the ATB in 8 is almost as slow as 9,So, what was the point of this than? Both 8 and 9 are much slower than 7.And the difference between squall and zidane, base stat wise is not more than 5 seconds.5,05 if you stretch it.Would have helped your case if i didn't have to calculate this shit.But yeah ff9 is the slowest, but people treat it like the differences are more than 10 seconds.But thanks you for at least posting some data.
>>3836496That doesn't factor in loading and animation times:Midgar Zolom (FF7) take 8sec from 'contact' to atb gaugeJimbo Cactaur (FF8) take 9secGrand Dragon (FF9) take 19secActual combat animations is an issue that is more compex but follows the same trend of being slower in FF9.
>>3836436>If it is so simple, just try it yourself and give me some data.I know you won't.Because I don't care anywhere as much as you do; also you're weird & I don't want to interact with you. Wish the mods would ban these schizos.The person who cares the most is the one who should do the work. Go load up your emulator & record a few battles, then compare the length of a melee attack, magic spell, summon, battle start, and battle end.>>3836444FFT solved that with the CT queue. It wouldn't work as well in real time with menu/animation pause systems like ATB.Party vs Party turns like FF1 should make a return.FF12 had the action CT, the action wind up, and finally the action.Besides animations being faster & statuses being paused when CT is, I think many queued actions could resolve simultaneously if they don't involve the same targets & there is no party wide counter occurring. Similar to Suikoden.
>BUT IT'S SLOW BUT THE ANIMATIONS BUT THE LOAD TIMESyeah well maybe you should stop being a zoomer with 0 attention span and enjoy looking at the things happening on the screenalternatively you can just take out your phone and watch tiktoks while you play the game
>>3836509>enjoy looking at the things happening on the screenAre you including the the blank loading screen that takes half the total loading time in that statement.Your statement also explains why you cannot it see the flaws, you're fixated on visuals.
>lame main character>lame party members>lame story>lame twist>lame world>lame villains>lame load times and slow animations>lame minigames>extremely lame superboss>lame shit like Excalibur 2 gated by playtimeIt’s just a weak game. Goofy-ass 8 is a better game than it, much less the series peak games like 5, 6, 7, or Tactics. I see no reason why I would ever replay 9.
>>3835730This.
More like Final Fantasy 9 seconds wasted before every attack.
Took a while but I finally found this relevant post.
>>3836536Close, but digimon world 2 is the worst by far.
>>3836514yes that's why i recommended you take your phone out and go on tiktokactually watching a playthrough of an rpg on youtube at 2x speed with a podcast on in the background and sewer surfers on the side might be more your speed
It's good. Freya and Amarant just needed more presence in the plot and the battle speed could had been faster. But otherwise is a pretty good RPG.
>>3836543How long is it?
>>38365525.9 seconds.Technically 6.
>>3836882Shit, meant 16.2.
>>3836543DW2 has bigger issues like the ungodly framerate just during battle normally because of how much shit the devs thought they needed to cram onto the screen at once.
>>3836403Sales numbers have more to do with marketing contemporary zeitgeist than quality of the product. Period.
>>3836403>>3836908Also following a beloved entry leads to higher sales, and following a not so beloved one does the opposite. FFVIII benefited from FFVII's reception, and FFIX was hindered by VIII's.
>>3836977Agreed, ff8 was loathed in japan. People seem to magically forget that.
>>3835720It was a nice change of pace from the more serious tone of FF8. I wish the characters were more memorable. Vivi stands out as the one character that's really stood the test of time.It was Squares worst offence for "buy the guide" sidequests and puzzles.
>>3836977If we're going to follow your logic you will also have to claim almost everything post-9 is better than 9.Is that the world you want to live in? Is that the world
>>383708210 is>t. dropped series after 10, blissfully ignorant of what came after
>>3837082>If we're going to follow your logic you will also have to claim almost everything post-9 is better than 9.7 was a monument in rpg dales for that era. Of course 8 would benefit from that and people expected more of the same.Past 8 people figured out each ff is its own thing and they weren't gonna just buy it outright.
>>3836977>FFVIII benefited from FFVII's reception, and FFIX was hindered by VIII's.This. A lot of people originally quit VIII early back then and swore off the franchise. And IX was late in the PSX's life cycle - 6 years after the PSX released.Still, it didn't sell poorly, picrel, VII just sold like crazy.
>>383708510 Is not the weakest in the franchise but it's definitely as good as 9, not even close. The attempt to make a such comparison offends the senses.9 is the best in the franchise. Very bluntly. It's even better than 6, and absolutely head, shoulders and chest above 7.
>>3837152>it's definitely as good as 9Based.
>>3837158Ok, a typo by omission, sue me.
>>3837171>sue meI don’t think I will. I appreciate you agreeing with me that 10 is one of the final fantasies of all time.
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>>3837152>it's definitely as good as 9,No. Too much linearity and cutscenes. The sphere grid system is like chrono cross, attempting something new and failing.The combat system in 10 is better, but everything else, especially exploration is just worse.
>>383720310 has better characters, plot, and music. Shame it was the ur-hallway-simulator. When I got the airship I knew it was my final final fantasy.
>>3837203see>>3837171
>>3835720Its ok, think its hyped up way more than how good it actually is.
>>3837149>A lot of people originally quit VIII early back then and swore off the franchise. And IX was late in the PSX's life cycle - 6 years after the PSX released.>Still, it didn't sell poorly, picrel, VII just sold like crazy.That's a lot of cope.By the very chart you provided, 8 was a stones through behind 7 in sales. Let's entertain your delusion and say 8 is on par with 9. What percentage of those sales would you say were people who gut 'duped'? Because for the sales to equate you're grasping at one hell of a conspiracy theory.And if your defense is the PSX was at end of life. Look at Harry Potter a game that came out over a year later (and after the release of the PS2) and still outsold 9.
>>3837261>By the very chart you provided, 8 was a stones through behind 7 in salesYes, because many people wanted a sequel to a popular game so they bought the game blind.>What percentage of those sales would you say were people who gut 'duped'Almost all of them. In japan were buying 8 too see squall's conclusion. They thought squall was his cousin or some shit. A friend of mine bought the game and immediately asked where is the materia and tifa?You are underestimating how big of a phenomenon ff7 was and how much people blindly bought a sequel thinking it will be the same.>ook at Harry Potter a game that came out over a year laterHarry potter game was riding the movie popularity and was easily gonna outsell a sequel to a hated game. The ip was huge.And 9 had to contend with the ps 2 ff10 releasing soon . People were not interested in a ps1 ff game anymore.
>>3837282>many people wanted a sequel to a popular game so they bought the game blind.>You are underestimating how big of a phenomenon ff7 was and how much people blindly bought a sequel thinking it will be the same.Keep coping.FF7 sold 5.85m in it's first 3 months and almost doubled its sales over time from releaseFF8 sold 5.95mFF9 sold 5.05m which is almost its whole sales You can argue marketing and previous game influence all you want but where 7 and 8 managed to sustain sales, 9 did not. The post-release trend tells us that once people started getting their hands on the product the market lost interest. FF9 was not well received.>People were not interested in a ps1 ff game anymore.There was enough of a market for Potter. And that game was released at the same time as the PS2. Do you think people were rushing out to buy and a PS2 and a PS1 game at the same time? Did you really believe the the school ground rumors that if you put a PS1 game in a PSX2 it would give you better graphics (and unlock that secret level where Harry gets a gun).
