Any other examples of mods surpassing the original game?
A mod can't surpass the game it builds off of. A great mod just makes the original game better since the mod is an extension of it. Without the original, the mod wouldn't exist. Mods are not Games.
>>3854123Dumbest post of the day but it's still early.
>>3854123dota2 is a game now
>>3854119ok you start you dumbass pollack
>>3854119Winter king for ck2PoP for warband
>>3854119>mods surpassing the original game?I don't know anyDo patches count?
>>3854119Depends.
>>3854170>what if Skyrim with the German autism of Gothic/Risenlol
>>3854119Mount and Blade series, Warband and Bannerlord have great overhaul mods Xcom 2 Long WarSid Meier's Civilization series (4-5)FTL, Multiverse mod>not rpg hurr hurralrightFallout 2, Nevada, Olympus, SonoraFallout 3, tale of two wastelandsDaggerfall/Morrowind both have new engines, latter has active team that vastly expanded the world with new regions snd quests, ranging from standard fetch quest to multi region investigationBorderlands 2 reborn mod
>>3854186>tale of two wastelands>Troon Tard Wank>Great overhaulLMAO if you use that you miss out on all the great Chadout 3 mods and instead have to use legit woke propaganda mods by the likes of Kyle Marshiku
>>3854119Possibly the greatest RPG of all time. Love archolos. Never seen a game so reactive, with a handcrafted world of that size.Not one that would come even close, actually.
>>3854119>Any other examples of mods surpassing the original game?Vtm:B and HL2Witcher 1 and NWN1
Slay the spire Downfall
>>3854119As much as I liked Archolos I wouldn't put it above G2.As for your question, Tamriel Rebuilt.
Battle Brothers Legends mod.Horizon's gate (indie sea exploration SRPG with FFT combat) is really lacking of content but there is a Steam workshop user named Prominence who added so many new dungeons, cities, enemies and classes to it - afaik when all of them added they would double / triple the original game's playtime. And those content are high quality as well - minus that one mod with gayshit.
>>3854137it never surpassed WC3 though
>>3854119Skyrim and Oblivion overhauls like Requiem for Skyrim and the equivalents for Oblivion (don't remember the names)The games were unplayable for me due to the extreme immersion breaking of leveled lists and easiness But what really set me off was acquiring like the super Rare Endgame Daedric Armor and then every single noname bandit has itAbsolutely unplayableAlso the nerfed Magic in Skyrim sucked ass but Requiem fixes all that and a lot more turning a pile of dogshit into a decent game
>>3854332I think Archolos is more fun overall but I can see a lot of places where if you had certain common hangups Archolos will piss you off
>>3854123Wrong and retarded.
>>3854135>>3854123This came close but I think you're still winning >>>/ck/21638973
>>3854455Wypipo don’t season they games
>>3854412>But what really set me off was acquiring like the super Rare Endgame Daedric Armor and then every single noname bandit has itLast time I played oblivion and Skyrim, I sat down and made simple but tedious mods that removed glass/daedric/ebony/dragonbone/etc from every random leveled list in the game. Felt great. I only saw one suit of glass in all of oblivion and it was hand placed for a quest.
>>3854123
>>3854123FPBP. look at everyone seething.
>>3854493>CS 1.0Newfag.
>>3854501Sad thing is they don't even understand the post, thinking a total conversion disproves it.
>>3854123>Mods are not Games.They are, if they are standalone, like Archolos.
>>3854603but it's not even standalone you retarded pollack, it's just comes with gothic 2 already preinstalled on steam and gog
>>3854525>>3854501>>3854123Dumb dumb dumbJust because they used the engine of a game, doesn't mean their games wouldn't have existed without it.If the original game did not exist, they would have used some other engine or made one themselves.
>>3854119Pic unrelated? This is complete shit.
>>3854650>Just because they used the engine of a game, doesn't mean their games wouldn't have existed without it.>If the original game did not exist, they would have used some other engine or made one themselvesLol wtf..Is this board just lonely boomers fishing for ANY kind of engagement from some another person
>>3854608>it's just comes with gothic 2 already preinstalled on steam and gogIf I don't have to install the base, then it's standalone for me, you dumbfuck amerilard mutt.>>3854651>completely new world>new story>a fucktilion of new content and animations. >new mechanics>professional voice acting>it's free>somehow it's shit
>>3854678but it's not actually standalone as you can see on moddbno wonder the best job you can do is cleaning toilets in england
>>3854662Why you gotta bring age into it? A retard is a retard is a retard.
>>3854680Who gives a shit it's on moddb, when it's on GoG muttoid?>no wonder the best job you can do is cleaning toilets in englandHow's the entry jobs in US other than burger flpping Juan? xDDD. How about you just die in some school shootings huh?
>>3854758lmao plumber got so mad, here's a tip: no burger would care about your shitty ass mod and certainly not during the euro hours
>>3854119I dunno, I didn't like it. The game has a lot of pacing/progression problems. Good gear lays out in the open and you can get OP'd really quickly. Yeah, even moreso than in G2NotR.There's also the problem with the actual story/quests being very poorly explained and taking too long to move things forward. G2 moved really quick and if you wanted, you could head back to the mines/old G1 areas within a half an hour of playing if you wanted. This expansion felt so slow and so poorly planned out to me. You can tell it was a fan mod.
>>3854758Man, he really frazzled you, didn't he?
>>3854186>Sid Meier's Civilization series (4-5)I loved fall from heaven. Not strictly speaking better than Civ4, but just so very different.
>>3854817From what I remember, early and mid game difficulty was fine, better (easier) than NOTR. Late game was too easy though. Can't really tell about the pacing, I play those games for the exploration and power fantasy, not the story... which was frankly mediocre in both NOTR and Archolos. A far cry from the buildup and twists of Gothic1.
>>3854119This mod really falls apart in the latter chapters, the boss fight is a joke and ending's just bad
>>3857065>>3854119Is Archolos even finishable? Last game I played was Dragonfall and I ran into a game-ending bug in the 30th hour. I wanted to rope. Now I look at reviews, specifically comments about bugs and if I see anything about bugs leaving you stuck, I discard the game from the list. That said, I read numerous things about Archolos suffering from such issues, do you confirm or deny?
>>3857285>Is Archolos even finishable?It always was. There are no game breaking bugs.
>>3857285I don't remember encountering any major bugs, and that was more than a year ago
>>3854179its still baffling to me how a bunch of nerds took the shittiest game assets/engine known to man and made a game 100x better than the original with it. Its a testament to how bad Bethesda is when you put a billion dollar game studio in contrast with some indie game devs.
>>3857501Lol
>>3857501it's not baffling anongamedev is artgame creators need to express themselves freelywhen each decision goes through 10 manager types it stops being expressionthey literally look at metrics and say "x research says gamers want this"they also judge each dialogue line on how "politically correct it is" and if it is [approved] to include itgameplay goes through an equivalent processthat's not how you make artimagine if Picasso, instead of drawing what he wanted, drew what others told him the audience wanted him to drawindie devs have much less or even no manager types, so they are free to do what they want, so the games are more authenticalso explains why in the past games were better, cause they industry was more nichetake a popular game of the past like BGmost of the stuff that is in there would never have made it if it was made todayit would have been judged "too weird" yet that's what gave it its charmeven DnD itself got streamlined and lost its charmADnD is shit, it's unbalanced, it makes no sense, it has the weird negative numbers, it's a fucking messyet it's 10 times better than today's slop cause it was more authentic
If you guys don't think archolos is at least good, never touch other gothic 2 mods.
>>3857065>Here's how you fixed everything, good job hero>Also you get thrown into the barrier just because>And become this wholly unsympathetic gothic1 character that later gets killed by the herothe fuck were they thinking
>>3854133which mods?
>>3857653>the fuck were they thinkingThey absolutely wanted Marvin to be connected to the main plot and did not care how much they had to shit on their own story to achieve that.Kinda like they wanted to have a secret early ending so they had a heavily poisoned guy survive getting kidnapped and shoved into a coffin for an undetermined (but at minimum multiple days) amount of time.
>>3857501dafuq? enderal completely loses sight of what makes skyrim the game it is, and instead fills the game with textbook rpg tropes and gameplay. if I wanted to go play the witcher, i'd pay the witcher instead.
>>3857692>loses sight of what makes skyrim the game it isGarbage? Sounds like a good thing.
>>3857692So? If you want to play skyrim, play skyrim. Enderal is for people who want to play enderal.
>>3857743fair point, and i will never play enderal again.
>>3857285I've completed Archolos 3 times and I have no idea how you could possibly get stuck. The game is built so retard proof that people started complaining too many NPCs have god mode specifically so you do not break the game.
>>3854225Using the same engine doesn't make it a mod.
>>3857065yeah it takes a nosedive when you got to le spoopy ruins
>>3854197I've seen the "chadout 3" modsthe good ones were already ported (the not portal one for example) rest is either unfinished or complete shovelware
>>3857692skyrim is bottom of the barrel level scaled trash
>>3861426There's a mod for that. (Several actually IIRC)
>>3854137kinda proves his point, Dota couldn't surpass it so they had to make Dota 2
>>3861426>>3861513Requiem was the one I used.It made Skyrim from unplayable to an enjoyable game.Funny how bad a decision is having a leveled world.It completely ruins an otherwise decent game.Same with Oblivion remake.
Part 2 never ever
>>3857501What's baffling to me is why Skyrim of all games attracted such a huge modding scene.Bethesda's modding tools are not the best and the base game is not particularly good even by normalfag standards, although it has above average modding potential.A shame a beth modding scene of that magnitude will never happen again due to Bethesda's greed splitting their modding community with their shitty attempt at paid steam mods, creation club, etc.
>>3861836>What's baffling to me is why Skyrim of all games attracted such a huge modding scene.Really?>Bethesda's modding tools are not the bestWhat would be the best mod tools in your mind?
>>3861842With the amount of modder effort that's gone into bethshit, pretty much anything would be as moddable...The bundled editor is only a start. Players have had to develop countless tools to work with bethesda files. And when it comes to asset formats, beth likes to reinvent the wheel with nearly every generation of their games. Plus, the scripting language is horribly limiting.Then there's the whole thing with bethesda game script extenders, SKSE and the like. A necessity and a lucky coincidence that they even exist.In general, any game engine written in an intermediate language would be infinitely more moddable (whether it's designed to be moddable or not) because writing tools like those script extenders does not require hard reverse engineering. Converting intermediate bytecode to source code does not require a rare skillset.Plus, being able to read the source code and easily inject changes into any method allows far deeper modding of engine fundamentals than bethesda-style game content modding.That's why rather shitty engines like Unity are so popular. And why a lot of heavily modded indie games run on C# or java. Essentially any modder can do what SKSE devs have done (and far more) with comparatively minimal effort and low knowledge barrier of entry.
>>3861850What would be the best modding tools in your mind? Mod tools that exist.
>>3861850Bethesda have their own engineFrankly most big companies doIt's a sign of prestige to have your own engine and more importantly it gives a certain feel to your gameUnity and Unreal games all have the same "feel"You can easily tell when a game has been made with a pre-made engine.Custom engines still existing is a good thing and adds variety.Powerful game engines are written in C++ not C#. Unity itself is not written in C#, the engine core is written in C/C++ otherwise it wouldn't even have been able to interact with Vulkan and such.The C# interface sits on top of that, and allows you to easily script in it.You can't expect Bethesda or any other big company to go through all this trouble to make modding easier, especially when modding is quite possible already.
>>3854119>ArcholosVery ambitious game, but the main usurer plot was kinda retarded, so was the last boss.Enjoyed exploring the world a lot, thoughFor me it Black Parade mod
>>3861823Skyrim at least only had partial level scaling. You were still barred from some areas at the start (falmer, dwemer forsword I think?). Oblivion had full level scaling. Even worse, original oblivion allowed you to fuck up your character and get softlocked (the remake fixed that mostly).
>>3862231*forsworn
>>3862231Oblivion leveling is utter ass.You are the most powerful at lvl 1.Then you lose power as you level, until you reach God status at late game.In fact the optimal way to play it is ignore everything and farm alchemy and spam spells till you reach lvl 20+ and the items stop lvl and you are a God, and then start playing.Complete BS.I quit remake until the overhaul mods get released
>>3857510I wish vidya dev management was still basically just "You made Successful Game? Good job nerds, now make Successful Game 2."
>>3854197>this mod removes the R word from the game's dialog>i mean the NPCs still say the word, we didn't actually change that at all>but we removed it from the subtitlesWhy even bother?
>>3854412Based. I remember having a lot with requiem and its mods. The game is literally a dollhouse simulator without it
>>3861836how is it baffling when bethesda created the perfect conditions to build the right kind of modding community in the first place? morrowind had>popularity and hype from the console release>impressive tech at the time but limited voice acting and few location/character specific models>disconnected locations/quests in the world so small mods fit in with each other>modding tools included on release and official mods to use as examples>engine that allowed injecting content into the base game easilythe amount of effort required for script extenders and file format tools wouldnt have been undertaken without a large modding community that was used to working together. other large modding communities mostly focused on custom levels so mods were siloed and rarely did modders have to work together or coordinate.
>>3854170>let's get reddit together to make a skyrim mod
>>3854119Balance ultimate for gothic no, unironically having much fun
>>3854119Reawakened, if it ever releases and Activision doesn't rape it again. I wouldn't have gone with Skyrim as base game of choice, though.
>>3854119Depends on your standard for surpassingAn expansion-mod like Tamriel Rebuilt certainly 'surpasses' the base game because it's been in production for 10x as long as the actual game. Overhaul mods rarely surpass originals though, cause modders are typically among the most autistic (not in a good way ) people on earth.>spending all your spare time on a co-operative project for free to remake a game from 2000 and X
>>3861919black parade is so fucking good i'm gonna replay that right now. was my goty 2023
>>3865307TBP is basically "what if we got Thief 3 a year or two after The Metal Age?" how good it is.
>>3865308Holy shit. I've gotta get this now, especially if it's on par with The Metal Age, which is one of my all time favorites.
>>3854119>try it>only choice is no voice acting or slav brayingYeah no
>>3865584I think he means TBP is in line with the two original games even though there's 20+ years of remove between them and mod's release date. It IS a great mod, though.
>>3865597There was a german AI voiceover with original voices, until a popular voice actor declared he'd start suing people over stuff like that. Returning (that fuckhuge russian expansion mod) is getting a complete german AI voiceover with elevenlabs, some modders are creating a new tool for that. When they're finished they'll probably release it and you can easily adapt it to create an english elevenlabs voiceover for any mod.Also the german community is now doing a fan voiceover for archolos, ETA probably 1-2 years from now.
>>3857654Swordflight Series, Against the Cult of the Preptile God, a dance with the rogues (yes, despite the edgy stuff it is unique and quite good).
