I don't hate Fallout: New Vegas, but sometimes I notice some unnatural lines:"A free woman. It's... been awhile since I've seen a woman who wasn't a slave. I forget myself -are you injured?"Something like “A free woman, are you injured?” would be enough. I already know the Legion enslaves women — show, don’t tell. I get it!I think The Frontier did even worse, but some dialogues in New Vegas are also a bit bad. Still, I like NV’s writing overall. But is afar of being perfect.
>>3870270>1 sentence: good>2 sentence: ...mhm le bad!You're needlessly picky with your gripes.
>>3870270they had to write for extremely poor Bethesda voice directing so the lines need to supply their own context or the VA will never get it
>>3870272The entire Fallout New Vegas dialogue has things like that, this was just an example.>You're needlessly picky with your gripes.Yes, it is true. But at least I just did a 4chan post and not a 4 hours essay in YouTube."A free woman. It's... been awhile since I've seen a woman who wasn't a slave. I forget myself -are you injured? Because, as you know, women in legion lacks of rights, is not like RNC, women here are mistreated, and also, there is no feminism move, as you can see, so therefore, I'm being slaved by the opressive machist cesar's legion, were again, the women has not a single previlege of being free."
>>3870276>a 4chan postWhich is arguably worse these days. Also you're just conjuring up shit in your head and using it as a make-believe of an argument. Stop getting angry at hypotheticals you dumbass.
>>3870284I making objetive critics, you are the only one angry defending a dialogue.Touch grass.
>>3870270Bait or retardedness. Can you genuinely not fathom that that woman was probably gang-raped and her entire family killed by tribals, she has been living life on auto-pilot to cope with the constant misery, and suddenly an obvious reminder of life outside this hellhole strolls about in front of her?
>>3870375>that that woman was probably gang-rapedI bet she enjoyed it.
The PC in new vegas has zero personality, and it's really annoying when contrasted with how good the NPC writing is. You basically just ask questions and prompt the actual characters to do anything
>>3870398That's all Fallout games though. The only ones that might have any personality are The Chosen One and Nate/Nora. The Courier is specifically as much of a blank slate as possible to make the role playing flexible.
>>3870270New vegas is immersive, meaning the woman speaks as if she's living in that world instead of just speaking to communicate information optimally to the player.
>>3870445>Nate/NoraLiterally who
unrelated but serious questionwhy is there so much posts lately with spacing like this
>>3870458The answer depends on how many sentences are in each subsection.
>>3870448Imagine thinking a slave would talk like that. They most likely would be to scared to even mention the chick is free. They basically "yes massa" so they don't get beat.
>>3870458zoomers and redditors
>>387051895% of the time, it's some newfag calling paragraphs "Reddit spacing" to fit inthe other 5% of the time, yeah
>>3870276You went ESL as hell there, buddy.
>>3870289touch pussy you virgin
>>3870375>that woman was probably gang-raped and her entire family killed by tribalsWhat causes this sort of retardation? Caesar explicitly does not permit the needless abuse and rape of women, and he is not a misogynist. He literally names Tandi as his personal hero and inspiration. Does rape happen? Yes. Rape also happens in the NCR, and that's precisely why the legion is needed; If even a culture as totalitarian and ruthless as Caesar's legion can't stop the tribals of the wasteland from raping and killing everything that moves, then the NCR has no chance.Daily reminder that the pregnant NCR ranger who's being "raped" and "abused" by her new legion hubby is living a perfectly happy life and looking forward to being a mother and housemaker.
>>3870575Kek, such an edgy boy, who's an edgy boy, yes you are, yes you are! Lanius openly says he will rape you if you're a female Courier, Silius states the slave collars they use are designed to never quite fit so the slaves are always in mental anguish, their goal is to inflict maximum pain on anyone who has ever opposed them in any way.>Yes. Rape also happens in the NCR,Hell yeah my nigga, BLM bro (see picrel)>the legion is neededRetarded fucking cope. The Legion is the very cause of almost all the issues we see in the game. The NCR is in the region in the first place because they were invited in to fend off the Legion, and the only reason they couldn't fully show off the glory of living in the NCR (which is described as some NPCs by so damn safe they even get bored of it) after being invited in is the terrorists using children suicide bombers and boobytrapping the corpses of children and grandmothers.>Daily reminder that the pregnant NCR ranger who's being "raped" and "abused" by her new legion hubby is living a perfectly happy life and looking forward to being a mother and housemaker.Ranjeet, stop raping lizards and throw yourself under a Juggernaut.
>>3870270“A free woman, are you injured?” sounds retarded. Here's a better question that actually touches on the themes of the game: "Free woman, you must choose now, the bull or the bear?"
>>3870582Kek. Though it reminds me of the eternal seething niggers who think it's somehow unacceptable that the Courier delivered a package as part of their job.>What do you mean I'm not a DEI jeet hired the last week, reee this is fascism, where is my RP, I shouldn't have in my backstory that I did one instance of the job I am explicitly told I have at the beginning of the game!
>>3870579Ladies and gentlemen, bear witness to the least retarded NCR-stan.All i can say is that i believe you are 100% genuine, because no-one is demented enough to misinterpret literally every single thing the writers try to say about the legion/NCR conflict.
>>3870591>Akshually, FNV is about how capitalism is bad and only communism can save us all
>>3870579>The NCR is in the region in the first place because they were invited in to fend off the LegionNo, thats because NCR scouts saw Hoover Dam being pratically intact and when they reported it back. NCR higher ups saw free energy and rush to get their asap.The Imperialist administration with Kimball and Oliver in office are actively pushing military action in all directions over any rumors of threat.They chase ghosts in Baja because Hanlon falsely reported at the time that there was a large raider force but in reality he only said that lie because he was dragged in Baja and lost men on the way to save literally 12 dudes who couldnt farm. NCR took his word and they send troops in Baja like the morons they are.When they are actually facing threats, with a secret service agency, capable scouts and clever use of guerilla tactics, they crumble and worse, the actually good commanders like Hsu and Hanlon are sideline because of bitter commanders and nepobabies in power who also want glory but cant have any because they are shit.>the only reason they couldn't fully show off the glory of living in the NCR (which is described as some NPCs by so damn safe they even get bored of it)Only rich kids in Vegas say this, there is still war against some members of the Reno Families like the Van Graffs, raiders are still operating in the NCR desert, war effort and taxes pushes people to get the fuck out of NCR to search job and some resort to banditry and crime and end up in NCRCF. They also explain in their own way why NCR is shit too. An impoverished farmer ruined by Brahmin Barons are so fueled by vengeance that he is willing to travel to Vegas and put a bullet in one of them while he is relaxing with his family in a casino.Golden age my ass, NCR is in a late stage crisis. They literally need Cesarian figures like Kimball to have people think they are "reclaiming" the good ol' days.
>>3870579>>3870606Still, I agree with most of your post.
>>3870606>No, thats because NCRThe government may be corrupt, but it doesn't change the fact the reason the NCR is there is because the Desert Rangers desperately needed help, and it is an undeniable fact that without the NCR coming in, the Legion would have won the first battle for Hoover Dam and the entire region would be enslaved, raped and exterminated to satisfy the whims or a complete retard with a god complex. The NCR saved the region before the game even began.>When they are actually facing threats, with a secret service agency, capable scouts and clever use of guerilla tacticsI wouldn't say the Legion is capable, they're just stupidly evil in a way no government could ever justify those tactics to its citizens. The Legion uses fucking children suicide bombers openly, and boobytrapping corpses of civilians, the NCR government would be instantly overthrown if they dared used those tactics, the Legion aren't an army, they're just terrorists, insanely evil and mentally ill terrorists.>good commanders like Hsu and Hanlon>ruined by Brahmin BaronsTrue, but those are incredibly minor issues compared to what the rest of the wasteland faces.>Only rich kids in Vegas say thisI posted proof of the contrary just above.>Golden age my ass, NCR is in a late stage crisisTheir government is in a crisis, but the NCR as a whole is perfectly fine, taking the issues of the Mojave (which is NOT ruled by the NCR) and projecting them upon the actual NCR is a mistake. The best end slides for almost everyone being those of the NCR-ending are further proof. Again, the WORST thing people can mention about the NCR is average corruption for any normal government, and taxes. In a post-post-apocalyptic world.>raiders are still operating in the NCR desertThey are in the DESERT indeed, not anywhere close to cities. They were so beaten back they can only hide in completely empty areas and hope to catch a traveling merchant.
>>3870616>the NCR is there is because the Desert Rangers desperately needed helpNo, again, the intro for FNV is clear. Scouts saw the Hoover Dam and it garned the interest of NCR in the region. One can even say that NCR let the Ranger beg for help and accept terms to be assimilated into the Repbublic for it being a cunning move but I doubt its really the case.>the NCR government would be instantly overthrown if they dared used those tacticsThey didnt care when they displaced tribals and kill women and children, Khans being one of the many tribes that are curently being subjugated, same goes for the peaceful Mutant communities and other marginalized groups that dont want to be under the juridiction of NCR like the Followers. Nobody actually cares enough in NCR really, the people just dont want to be taxxed to death and die on the frontier. If you see how the Rangers are actually doing "justice" in Vegas, I would actually say they are pretty exepeditive. Even then, its a case for most society in post-war america.>I posted proof of the contrary just above.She is literally the daughter of a wealthy family of brahmin barons back in Modoc. Her recipe for Deathclaw omelet came from her grand ma you met in Fallout 2. She is the owner of the only thriving buisness in Modoc while the town is in a drought.>NCR as a whole is perfectly fineIgnoring raiders, heavy taxation, social issues, mob wars and corrupted senators that fuck with supply lines for profit.>those are incredibly minor issuesYes, winning the war is a minor issue.>The best end slides for almost everyone being those of the NCR-ending are further proofNot for everyone, the best ending for NCR is actually Hanlon being a Senator and passing laws that enforce less corruption in the state. The best endings relies on you to working against direct orders from NCR like not bringing the data from Vault 22, not listening to Colonel Moore.
>>3870616>>3870648Cont.If you follow through with NCR's ending, you are just enforcing the policies of Kimball and Oliver. The men responsible for this disastrous campaign to begin with. The Legion can be destroy by themselves, however, I dont think anhilating them will bring good actually, even Joshua Graham said that the Legion's death will be bad for the people of Arizona. Letting people be and letting them reform in their own way without enforcing a set of values has remarkably work in human history, believe it or not.The last optional speech and barter checks with Lanius not only convince him of other ways to prosper but destory Caesar's will in his heir. Thats a victory no bullet can achieve by any mean. Indicating him that caravans are what made humanity survive the wasteland and that he cant be able to hold the West and East in his empire without attrition or revolts from others in the Legion or in NCR conquered land are compelling argument to go back and make him rethink the Legion into a more sustainable aspect. Lanius is a far more intelligible character than Caesar, he is willing to listen and humble enough to not fight a losing war. Tells you more about leadership than Mr. Hegelian dialetics.>Again, the WORST thing people can mention about the NCR is average corruption for any normal governmentTribes displacement, mutant hate (not inforced but lightly punished), expeditive justice, imperialism, little to no education program.>They are in the DESERTThey always have been in the desert, since Fallout 1 and they always have been a nuissance.
>>3870616>entire region would be enslaved, raped and exterminated to satisfy the whims or a complete retard with a god complexBut enough about Tandi
>>3870648>No, again, the intro for FNV is clear. Scouts saw the Hoover Dam and it garned the interest of NCR in the region.It doesn't change the fact they were invited in because of the threat of the Legion, and effectively saved the Mojave from falling to slavery and genocide.> they displaced tribals and kill women and childrenYou mean tribals like the Khans who teach their own kids to shoot at fucking children? The NCR have been absolute saints in dealing with those vermins, the Khans were by all definitions insane terrorists, the fact the NCR doesn't relentless exterminate them but simply disarms them and gets them out of the way is genuine sainthood.>goes for the peaceful Mutant communitiesIf we're talking Jacobstown, it's rogue rich people from the NCR, the NCR as a whole doesn't endorse this, since any high rep NCR Courier can get the mercenaries to back off by just telling them so.>She is literally the daughter of a wealthy familyIf true, my bad, still a powerful endorsement that you have to move to literally outside of NCR territory to not be "bored of the safety".>Ignoring raiders, heavy taxation, social issues, mob wars and corrupted senators that fuck with supply lines for profit.Raiders are a non-issue to anyone who doesn't travel obscure roads, the taxation is never implied to be too heavy (and is just a weird r*dditor or edgy Legion fanboy point, House taxes way more and Legion taxes at least as much as NCR but without providing any benefit). Social issues is too vague, and mobs and corrupt senators are par for the course with almost any government.>Yes, winning the war is a minor issue.It's not a real war though. It's protecting a small region outside of official NCR territory, the reason they're having issues in the conflict is because it's outside the NCR, so the people don't want to fight, but if directly attacked, the people would support the war and the Legion would be quickly crushed.
>>3870652>>3870648Cont too.>Not for everyoneFor most everyone, and while you can justify some other endings improving the NCR as a whole, for the Mojave itself it's undeniable that NCR = good ending, when all the other options are so shit.>not bringing the data from Vault 22,Reasonable speculation but just speculation.>not listening to Colonel Moore.How so? Killing the Khans and BoS is fully justified and good for everyone else, the Kings are still a violent street gang that beat up envoys of peace who distribute food to civilians, and they can be talked with when it comes to the King but Moore has no reason to know that. Should you exterminate the Kings is debatable, but the other 2 are necessary to kill.>>3870649This posts contains nothing of substance except the part about Lanius which is correct. The entire meta-aspect of "but le NCR government not perfect!" is way more about the poster's personal issues with how shitty current democracies are than any objective analysis of FNV's setting.
What the fuck is it about F:NV that attracts people like this?>um akshually, x is OBJECTIVELY y
is this dogshit thread for real
>>3870652>It doesn't change the fact they were invited in because of the threat of the LegionYeah it does, the treaty even highlight the importance of Hoover Dam.>You mean tribals like the Khans who teach their own kids to shoot at fucking children?Same Khans who join NCR or do merc work like Manny Vargas, they are a tribe not hivemind. These people need humanitarian aid to settle them, not guns and threats to put them into subjugation. The Khans, even if they are totally submited and accept to fight on behalf of NCR gets the short hand of the stick.There is a real problem with NCR leadership with the Khans, even if you do a successful hostage negotiation, the orders are still to shoot them. Which told you enough about their policies.>the fact the NCR doesn't relentless exterminate themScratch a NCR fag enough, you get an imperialist warmongerer in the same vein of a Legion fag.>If we're talking Jacobstown, it's rogue rich people from the NCRThey arent rogue, they are powerful people that have enough influence to use able bodied mercenary in a war to provoke peaceful Mutants, shit even Mean Sonofabitch was lynched by a mob in NCR and no one dared to defend him except for Klamath Boy who was persuasive and lucky enough to not be killed iirc.>Raiders are a non-issue to anyone who doesn't travel obscure roadsThey are still an issue that even the Legion manage to destroy.>the taxation is never implied to be too heavyIt is, everyone talk about taxes and even remote communities like Arroyo are touch as per Emily Ortal's dialogue.>Social issues is too vagueMutant hate, followers being hated, low class citizens resorting to banditry and crime in a so called advanced society.
>>3870652>>3870654Cont.>but if directly attackedThey are directly attacked and they are inept to deal with an invading force, if you need to have Hannibal at your doors for your governement to respond, they are royally fucked. The people arent as supportive of this war because its a war meant for Cesarian figures like Kimball and Oliver to do some imperialism.>for the Mojave itself it's undeniable that NCR = good endingI'd argue House has better ending slides, I would say the same about Independance but they rely too much on headcanon fanfic.>How so?Going out of your way to resolve things peacefully gets you way better endings than what you are told to do.The Khans go elsewhere and form an empire by keeping the followers close which mimics the ending in Fallout 1 about Shady Sands forming NCR, its considered a very good ending. As I said earlier, the Khans arent a hivemind but a living tribe with autonomous tribesmen, some even join NCR and are welcome back like Manny Vargas who was even in the 1st Recon who shot the women and children. NCR's solution is to subjugate them or exterminate them, they are simply showcasing how bad they are in providing solutions to people that work outside of their own societal norm. Basically, if you are not NCR, prepare to be subjugated or killed.The Kings are a gang but a gang that preserve autonomy and protection to the people of Freeside without them feeling like they are bullied into protection. They are basically a town militia and they come will all the problem of a town militia which you can fix btw. Moore's solution is to kill everyone and instore martial law in Freeside.The BoS provides more benefits if you help settle a peace treaty than if you kill them, they are a logistical plus and asset in the war to come. In a NCR defeat, they even assure that NCR troops arent attacked on their way home. Assuring peace in the Mojave assure a long term answer to the on going BoS-NCR war.
>>3870654>>3870664>>3870665Cont. 2>he entire meta-aspect of "but le NCR government not perfect!"I dont think FNV's is about that, the poster is wrong but imo, the authors of FNV only wanted to showcase how bad is imperialism rather than giving a critic of liberal democracies. Both NCR and the Legion are different sides of the same coin of imperialism.
>>3870664>Yeah it does, the treaty even highlight the importance of Hoover Dam.If expansionist = bad is your axiom, then I'll disagree>they are a tribe not hivemind. They are a terrorist group who got 3 different chances and fucked all of them, always being the aggressor killing and raping children, and even when the Followers tried to help them, they simply used their knowledge to manufacture drugs for the Fiends. The Khans deserve to be wiped out, Bitter-Root is very clear on the subject. The Khans already got their aid, they twisted that of the Followers, and refuse to remain at Bitter Springs where they get free aid, one Khan even murders people there including other refugees.>the orders are still to shoot them. Which told you enough about their policies.We're talking about a confirmed terrorist group that refuses to stop its evil ways, beats its own kids and turns them into child-murderers, and just kidnapped soldiers. The order to shoot them after releasing the hostages isn't very fair, but they've done a lot worse for a long time and still are. Or did you forget that those same Khans were with Benny when he shot you? They get paid to murder random civilians, they do it happily, you're genuinely defending your own murderers.>Scratch a NCR fag enough, you get an imperialist warmongerer in the same vein of a Legion fag."Muh expansion bad". NCR is the only option resembling civilization, with no other option left, yes NCR has the right and duty to expand. Without NCR, the entire Mojave would have been exterminated by the Legion and there'd be no FNV in the first place.>They are still an issue that even the Legion manage to destroy.By murdering everyone, yes. Which proves you're a hypocrite, the Legion would slaughter every single Khan children, but you bitch about even the hypothesis of the NCR doing the same.>It isit's not if you're not a retard. House taxes way more, Legion taxes the same, muh taxes is a meme.
>>3870683>>3870665Cont.The entire taxes thing is a meme, Primm is said to vastly proper despite the NCR taxes because it also brings a lot more commerce with it. Nobody likes going from no-taxes to taxes, but those taxes are why everyone isn't some Legion soldier's rape slave or crucified.>Mutant hateVastly overblown as proven, and everyone dislikes Mutants.> followers being hated,Genuinely what the fuck are you smoking? The Followers worked with the NCR, folks in the NCR like them, they just disagree with their philosophy. That's a civil disagreement, not hatred. And as the endings prove, the Followers need the infrastructure of the NCR to function correctly, in the Independent ending the Followers are overwhelmed.>low class citizens resorting to banditryPoor people existing, wow, I'm shocked. If they decide to become criminals, it's because they're pieces of shit, not because they're poor.>They are directly attackedThey're not. The Mojave isn't NCR territory, it's the entire reason why the fighting there is unpopular, are you being retarded on purpose?>they rely too much on headcanon fanfic.At least you have some clairvoyance. Though with House it's obvious that everything is fucked, he's an insane dictator with no regard for any human life, and he exterminates the Kings you so love if they don't prove their loyalty to him enough by committing blatant terrorism against the NCR.>way better endingsAnd... you're retarded. The Khans must be exterminated, they were insane terrorists after 4 FUCKING CHANCES counting the Followers, how many times are you going to suck off those deranged pseudo-natives?The Kings are a gang that beats up envoys of peace and are fanatically loyal to one retard in charge, if the King died and Pacer took over, they'd just be yet another raider faction.The BoS are insane techno-cultists and House and Caesar are right about them. And despite what Bethesda likes to pretend, they are not an important force in the world.
>>3870666> Both NCR and the Legion are different sides of the same coin of imperialism.But that's just not true, NCR is the only serious attempt at civilization available, they're the obvious good guys with aspects of gray because of their sheer size and freedom inherently allowing corrupt individuals to rise to the top. Legion is a LARP-cult started by a hostage to not be killed by stupid tribals that went way too far and is destined to fall the moment it truly engages a serious force.The post-post-apo is in big part about rebuilding civilization, someone needs to be the imperialist, for the good of everyone, and the NCR is overwhelmingly good in that regard. This is not Kenshi where all big factions are fucked up, here there is a clear winner. The anarcho-capitalist bullshit "don't tread on me" approach simply makes no sense in an actual world outside of r*ddit threads. Humanity needs civilizations, the only serious candidate is the NCR, therefore supporting the NCR is the only remotely logical choice.
>>3870579>you know the corrupt globohomo system that lead the world to ruin? Let’s bring it back!Fuck off fag.
>>3870690To conclude, it HAS to be personal the way people are so weirdly demanding with the NCR, constantly asking of them to be genuinely perfect in all regards and holding them to standards they do not apply to any other faction. It's always because of current issues infesting their minds preventing them from rationally looking at the universe of the game, and sometimes to justify picking the House/YM/Legion ending which are all obviously bad for the Mojave.The NCR gets criticized for having 1/50th of the flaw of another faction where that faction gets constant excuses. People unironically complain about the Barons to then support House who is a tyrannical turbo-capitalist who taxes literally HALF what you gain, is shown to enact taxes out of pure spite towards Primm, commits mass murder when he feels slighted, and killed innocents in droves in Vegas after 200 years of coma (so no "but all he did for Vegas!", he hadn't done anything for 200 years by that point) all to replace them with tribals who'd make him more money by exploiting people in the most depraved ways.The NCR never invades anyone who didn't shoot at their civilians repeatedly first, they make deals and bring a lot of positive things to the people they integrate, including healthcare, prosperity, safety and equality of opportunity for the most part.The NCR is the only major faction shown organizing efforts for the sole benefit of the population, distributing food and water, rebuilding infrastructure. They even established the farms in the Mojave to show the people there how much the NCR can help them produce food. The entirety of the Bitter Spring refugee camp is of 0 benefit to the NCR itself.>>3870707Kek, right on time, it's people projecting, just like all Imperial fags in Skyrim just project their love of current governments and hatred of "racism". Very few people are actually capable of looking at a universe of fiction rationally without heavily projecting their issues.
>>3870709>you’re just projectingSo you’re saying the NCR isn’t trying to be the same corrupt system that lead the world to nuclear hellfire? Well not only are you a fag but an idiot too.
>>3870712>Omg Hitler drank waterCalm your tits r*ddit. NCR Derangement Syndrome is a bitch, you either have to admit to suffering from this mental illness, or that you're an anarchist who believes no government should exist, in which case you're also mentally ill.
>>3870683>If expansionist = bad is your axiom, then I'll disagreeExpansion without killing and treating people like shit would be a greater start.My point was that the Rangers might have asked for help but in the end the Hoover Dam is what NCR want. Even the treaty talk about it, protecting people isnt in their interest since they put all their ressources in the Dam and they get royally fucked in the ass by all sides when the battle starts, especially if you dont carry them to victory, from Fiends, Powder Gangers, Omertas and Khans.>They are a terrorist groupThey are a tribe, a governement of body that function outside of societal norm based on family, shared culture and clan like system.>always being the aggressorDoesnt justify extermination>even when the Followers tried to help them, they simply used their knowledge to manufacture drugsSame Followers who are stretched thin in the Mojave where everyone needs help and are sabotaged by NCR at every corner. Again, the NCR arent interested in settling the tribe, its only when both group are far away from NCR that they thrive. Their situation is also shared with other tribes that dont want to be subjugated by NCR like the Kings.You still avoid Manny Vargas and the many clues including their best ending being good for everyone involved.>We're talking about a confirmed terrorist group that refuses to stop its evil waysThey do, they actually do merc work and drug smuggling. Chet (a seasoned merchant and traveller) says that its actually rare to see them raiding now.>did you forget that those same Khans were with Benny when he shot you?They were payed to do some work, they arent really to blame here. I would be a hypocrite in this case whenever I play the Courier as the merc for hire in most of my playthroughs.>you're genuinely defending your own murderers.The game rewards you with the best ending for them, by showing you there is other ways.
>>3870683>>3870687Cont.>NCR is the only option resembling civilizationAh yes, civilisation. At the end of barrel, backed with an army that tells me what to do.>Without NCR, the entire Mojave would have been exterminated by the LegionIf your only worth as governement body is how good you are to repel other invasions. Then its a shit governement, fascists in Greece were the only guys in power for a long time because they were "the only power to stop an eventual Turkish or communist invasion" which held them in power and make them justify shit laws and governemnt policies and yet they failed with the invasion of Cyprus. This prompted to actually change things around and be a Republic now. Btw, NCR are struggling and being very inefficient about it. Repeating the same mistake of the same governement that nuked the world wouldnt be my blueprint to build a society in post-war America, but thats just me.>By murdering everyone, yes.Yeah, even in murdering stuff NCR is shit.>Which proves you're a hypocriteSorry, did you read when I argued for settling tribes and giving them humanitarian aids rather than gunning them down?>it's not if you're not a retard.I guess everyone in the Mojave are retards, saying "nuh huh" is a very compelling argument, I admit.>House taxes way moreIn the Strip, the place that filters poor people and suck down rich people. In the cut-post game ending, merchants like Mick and Ralph are very happy for House being in charge saying that their buisness is now blooming.To me, it seems House is more interested in taxing the Strip that gives larger pool of money and NCR through the Treaty of Vegas by taxing power than taxing the people living around Vegas. Since they are the ones actually bringing the people and all. My memory isnt good on all that post game content, so I'll stop here.
>>3870683>>3870687>>3870690>>3870724>>3870723Cont. 2>Legion taxes the sameTaxes who? They dont tax merchants, they get their men from breeding and enslaving tribesmen. The civilized men are left alone under the protection and tyranny of Baldie. They get their own gold and silver from what I assume to be trading, slave work in mines and slave trading too.Not saying you are wrong, just that we lack definitive answers on that part, and get plenty more answers for House and NCR in this subject.You mention Primm but the ending said that despite being taxed they get benefits from being a major stopping point. In comparaison, small towns like Goodsprings gets the short stick where people unable to pay are forced out, even with more trade and people coming in.>Vastly overblown as provenYou prove what? Mean Sonofabitch was lynched, lost his tongue while sleeping in the streets and peaceful communities are still harassed because some people dont like Greenskins.>The Followers worked with the NCR, folks in the NCR like them, they just disagree with their philosophy.The OSI, and their involvements in all matters of science frustrates NCR. They dont even want to help the followers unless you are here diplomatically to heal Freeside inhabitants.I wouldnt say they crumble, just they get more shit on their plate in the independant ending. It is bad, and yet NCR does nothing without you involved to fix problems.>If they decide to become criminals, it's because they're pieces of shit, not because they're poor.Some yes, others like Sheriff Meyers were trying to do good. In any case, these are problems that need to be fixed first instead of playing the war game and annex everyone in your sight.
>>3870723>Expansion without killing and treating people like shit would be a greater start.They don't treat people like shit who've not attacked their civilians first and refused any attempt at peace. You can find individuals getting fucked over by the NCR coming in, but for the majority of innocents, it's a big improvement.>protecting people isnt in their interest since they put all their ressources in the Dam If they don't hold the Dam, everyone dies or is enslaved, they are protecting everyone by protecting the Dam.>based on family, shared culture and clan like system.Beating your child and forcing him to kill other children, attempting to sell him into sex slavery for a fix, that's family values? The Khans' "culture" isn't worth shit, it's all based on indiscriminate abuse and hypocritical whining when the NCR kills from their group 1/100th of the civilians the Khans killed.>Doesnt justify exterminationYes it does if you refuse every single chance. There is no sensible scenario where the Khans stop being evil pieces of shit, we saw this play out 4 times, not a single fucking Khan has an issue with drug supplying the Fiends who indiscriminately rape and murder everyone they come across.>Same FollowersThe entire paragraph is retarded cope to dodge the fact the Khans used given knowledge for evil.> its actually rare to see them raiding now.OF COURSE IT IS RARE YOU RETARDED FILTHY FUCKING NIGGER, the NCR beat them into submission, the Khans themselves want nothing more than to get back to raiding.>The game rewards you with the best ending for them, by showing you there is other ways.Ok, let's send 10 niggers rape you if you love the happiness of deranged murderers over that of innocents so much.>>3870725I'm not even going to read this, you've proven to be an insane pilpuling fucktard contrarian, do a flip. Every single word you say is a disgusting lie Kill yourself, make the world a better place.
>>3870709>>3870723>>3870724>>3870725>Though with House it's obvious that everything is fuckedJust more like Vault City in Fallout 2, one of the few genuine places in the wasteland that are rich and self sufficient. Tyrannical but effecive, even in the case of this city their best endings make them less bigoted and growing tall as a nation with nuclear power and guaranting rights of no annexiation by NCR.>he exterminates the KingsYeah, its bad. He also kills the BoS which btw, the choice to save them was vut because the beta testers said it was too much of a good ending.>The Khans must be exterminatedRelax neo-liberal.>how many times are you going to suck off those deranged pseudo-natives?They are actually an interesting faction, and I like to see more diversity and cool lore than just NCR or BoS. They arent natives, a tribe is governement body that function around share values, clan like system and working outside of another governement body. The Kings are a tribe for exemple.>But that's just not trueLiterally the lead designer of FNV says this. NCR is an imperialistic nation under Kimball, and its said time and time again. They literally not build to sustain and expand yet they do to make people ignore their problems at home as well as their rampant corruptions. Victory is the only way out politically for Kimball and Oliver since they royally fucked up.The thing with Imperialism, you dont have to be a fascist to have a valid casius belli against other nations. As Oswald Spangler puts it, imperialism is the final expression of a dying civilization’s energy, an outward expansion that compensates for inward emptiness. It is the political face of cultural decline, the destiny of every civilization that has outlived its creative soul.
>>3870728Lmao, I accept your concession.
>>3870730>Huh, he called me out for lying constantly after debunking my 50th lie and stopped interacting with my lies, guess I winEugenics can't come soon enough for all you niggers.
>>3870715Yes hitler drank water and Democracy failed and lead the world to nuclear ruin. Cope and seethe fag.
Why are we acting like the NCR government is going to lead to instant nuclear death, you know the US government in its final days looked nothing like democracy really. Does The Enclave look anything like the current NCR government? and even if it lead to the same outcome, that's a potential problem that could be literal centuries in the making when the NCR is a global superpower. What about people being raped by deathclaws in the present?
>>3870739Correct, but every NCR-hater has their own nonsensical fanfiction about how the Legion/House/YM ending will somehow overcome all of its flaws that are 1000x times more pronounced than those of the NCR. They're not arguing from a rational standpoint, but from the emotional one of someone defending their gay fanfic. You just have to see how many of them praise House's words like gospel when we're given no reason to trust him and every possible reason to distrust and hate him.
>>3870732I was really enjoying our jousts, but since you were more interested in insults and calling me names rather than reading arguing I lost all interests.I said no lies, the game fundamently disagree with you on all points.The Khans are a tribe, not a hivemind. Not every single Khans are shit fathers and mothers, most are and most will build a mighty empire given the proper education and grounds far from NCR. Its simply a fact that they are people and there are ways to make things better for most people in New Vegas. The game's best ending arent given to you at the end of barrel.Since I have enough dignity in myself, I will stop it here since I dont like conversing with people who throws insults when they cant properly form thought in a counter-argument.Again, I accept your concession.
>>3870743Lying piece of shit. Fuck you, kill yourself.
>>3870270weird line to focus one, it exists to make it once again clear to a female courier that it's completely unheard of that women are allowed to freely move around Legion camps and that the courier is just built different, pretty much hyping up the player.
Fallout Neo Vagina sucks.Fallout Neo Vagina fanboys suck cock.Fallout Neo Vagina fanboys molest 10 year olds.Fallout Neo Vagina fanboys commit tax fraud.Fallout Neo Vagina fanboys go to tranny reading hours.Fallout Neo Vagina fanboys post BBC threads on /pol/.Fallout Neo Vagina fanboys have a black boyfriend.Fallout Neo Vagina fanboys get drunk from half a litre beer.Fallout Neo Vagina fanboys are lactose intolerant.Fallout Neo Vagina fanboys cannot lift 50kg.
New Vegas characters are complete vacuums of charisma, you people are crazy.
>>3870600>and all of his finest warriors get beaten by a naked woman in an arena setting.That's less of an innate flaw of the Legion, and more to do with the fact the game is written by feministic, racially blind jewish liberals trying to make a """"point"""" about how misogynistic chuds are stupid and hypocritical.I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of the post, save for the point about muh heckin' taxerinos.
>>3870877I see the soldiers getting beaten up by a naked woman in an arena as more of a gameplay element to convey a point than an accurate depiction, the very concept of common Legion soldiers not dying easily despite using shitty scavenged football pads is one such example. The Legion can only use brute force and win against someone they severely outnumber or those with similar or lesser gear to them. But against a vastly stronger opponent like the NCR, their only recourse is the ubiquitous use of terrorism breaking all possible morals. If the gameplay was accurate to the lore, you should be confronted by children suicide-bombers or hiding their guns before shooting at you in the back and be forced to kill them in retaliation.It's not shown in game much to not darken the tone, but believing an army of terrorists using children suicide bombers and indiscriminate torture can somehow form a stable eventually good government is like believing a war leader in Africa governing a unit of methed-up child soldiers with machetes would be a good ruler.
>>3870270you are too stupid to understand
>>3870579That's not true, Caesar is a nice guy who gives free ponies and puppies to everyone in the wasteland. I don't know what you're on about, it's like you didn't even play the game.
>>3870270There's nothing wrong with that sentence, only thing it would need is an exclamation point at the end of the first sentence. It's not meant to emphasize anything more than the surprise of this specific character you're talking to.
>>3870398i like it more than 3 where you either kiss everybody's ass or rage at them for no reason
too bad this game isn't fun.
I've played this game 5 times each to the end and i still don't know if i like it or not. Is that normal?
>>3873285if you play it that much you must like it, but you feel unsure because it does have some flaws. it's a normal rational feeling unlike the sperg tard rage we see a lot of around here
>>3873285>>3873311>it's a normal rational feelingIt's not normal to voluntarily spend hours on something, come back repeatedly to do it again, and then be confused about it.
>>3870652>You mean tribals like the Khans who teach their own kids to shoot at fucking children?Why is bad that the Great Khans militarize their children and rule with an iron fist but it's good that the Legion does similar things
>>3873682I never said that, they're both groups full of psychotic murderers. But the Khans don't even "militarize" their kids, they just turn them into murderers. We know for a fact they take their kids out to gun down other children at random, what kind of fucked up insane dysgenic monster do you have to be to do that?
>>3870732try to form a cohesive argument without racism.If you can
>>3874066This anon has a hard on for imperialism in the game where this kind of ideology lead humanity to collapse, I dont know how he manages to learn so much of the lore and yet convieniently forget that the writers of FNV made them clear Imperialist and occupiers.>"NCR's imperialism is pretty kid glove stuff compared to Caesar's Legion. That said, though they are extremely self-interested, NCR genuinely *does* protect New Vegas and has sacrificed a lot to do so. Then again, it was the Desert Rangers, not the residents of the Mojave Wasteland (and certainly not Mr. House) who asked them to do so.">From Josh SawyerNot to mention that everything he advocates, killing Khans, Kings and BoS are all bad choices and showcased how Moore use her power for personal Vandetta. NCR is a place where sociopaths can thrive with power as long as they bring results on the table, i.e. Hoover Dam free from any other influence. You're asking him to much to form an argument without racism.
>>3874239>this kind of ideology lead humanity to collapseYou have to be the biggest nigger retard to genuinely think that dictatorship or anarcho-capitalism is a new ideology that will lead to a utopia. "Omg guys, the old world that fell drank water, we should stop drinking water, horseshoe theory is so correct amirite fellow redditors?">killing Khans>bad choice>"If you kill the cartels they win!"Not going to bother reading the rest of your baiting.
>>3874446Imperialism doesnt need to be attach to a dictatorship or a liberal demecrocy to be implemented, you see it both in the Legion and NCR. It was that very ideology that lead to the world collapse, and of course you understood it backward as the low IQ person that you are.The greatest civilisations at their peak expanded inward and were beacons in art, science, and philosophy. The downfall of all civilisation is at the gates of Imperialism. FNV perfectly shows you that, NCR upper class and politicians got no choice but expand and claim a lost past in America instead of seeing within and growing to fix things in their corrupted territories and especially the famine that will come in the years to come.>Not killing Khans>Helped them see inward and leave>Reconnect with the Followers>Create a mighty civilisationI dont care if you read, the writers and the endings of FNV disagree with your pseudo imperialist tendecies. The best endings even for NCR requires you to go out of your way to disobey your leadership and get infamy reputation because of your bitter self-interested leaders.
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>>3870652Tell that to the farmer in NCR who is waiting in line to have his head chop off for defying the Legion when they march in and demand he kneels, pay extortionate tribute and a child for their army that you will never see again or one of their daughters for slavery because the
>>3874456>Reconnect with the Followers>Create a mighty civilisationA "mighty empire" you mongoloid retard. From those who already went back to murdering children for fun after 3 different chances and already used the knowledge of the Followers for evil. There is no point reasoning with you NCR haters, you desperately desire to see those cartel psychos as dindu nuffin natives and will excuse anything. Again, you apply the most retarded picky standards possible to the NCR, but excuse the most insane and evil factions constantly, you're pathetic bullshitters.
>>3870270this. the dialogue should be>WUUUH? is my eyes lying or it isn't? Ah can't believe it, a free wahman! y'know, it's been a REAL while since a fine piece of ass is allowed to strut along this neighbourhood untouched, if you catch my drift, hon. anyway what was I sayin? oh right, is you wounded?
>>3870270are you literally retarded. sentence were writing this way to emphatize that she is not used to seeing free women.something you written suggest its normal for her to see free women.colossal fucking retard holy shit.
>>3874710>A "mighty empire" you mongoloid retardThey only attained it by looking inward, not expanding. It is considered a good ending, with good implications like how the NCR ending was in Fallout 1. Its a nod, to that ending since the two factions were rival. The Khans can change for the better or join NCR, one is better for everyone involved.>There is no point reasoning with you NCR hatersI dont actually hate NCR, I prefer a more diverse wasteland with more lore and fun characters. You project your politics into the game like a weirdo, Im merely explaining the intents of the writers in FNV. The best ending for NCR is Hanlon denouncing Kimball and Oliver if he goes into politics, help NCR to secure supply lines and enforce state mandate security on the caravans via Cass quest and securing an alliance between the BoS and NCR. All of this can be done in a NCR defeat and stopping the imperialistic tendencies of the NCR elite. All of these require you to go out of your way to work against NCR, a NCR victory means that people like Moore, Oliver and Kimball are rearded and seen as the architect for victory when you, the player, were.>you apply the most retarded picky standards possible to the NCRI dont, they were self interested as all factions are in a way except for the Followers. NCR didnt came to the Mojave with the intent to wipe out degenerancy and educate the people or settle the tribals by learning them out to farm and learn medecine. They came with guns and Hoover Dam in mind.Since, you're moving the goal post, I only said that NCR as it is in no way fit to govern the people in the Mojave. They want people to submit and cooperate at gun point in their terms. They are imperialistic, they just wont crucify, play lottery and or sell you drugs. Still, I wouldnt want them around to govern me, I rather want a free Vegas from outside influence. Growing tall and inward, let Vegas be the shining jewel in the desert.
>>3874777Nonsensical pilpul again. There is absolutely no reason to believe the Khans would change, no one in the entire tribe expresses the slightest regret for their way of MURDERING CHILDREN FOR FUN, and a good number express the desire to return to this. You are the blackest gorilla nigger if you believe they will do anything else but start raping and murdering for the 4th time in a row.>You project your politics into the gameComplete projection from a retard.>people like MooreAgain, you're a retard if you dislike Moore, with the info she has, she is completely right in everything she asks you to do, and you out yourself as a bethesda cocksucker by worshiping the BoS so much when they're cultist nutjobs who refuse to abandon their stupid codex. Any "alliance" with them is just them temporarily not shooting at NCR but still continuing to confiscate technology for no reason other than their retarded beliefs.>I dontYou do, filthy liar.>NCR didnt came to the Mojave with the intent See, you're a piece of shit. You take only into account the motivation of a couple politicians and completely disregards the 99% of NCR we meet who have either neutral or good intentions.>They want people to submit and cooperate at gun point in their terms. Again, complete bullshit made up because you're some tranny who unironically believes Trump is a fascist. The NCR always cooperates and negotiates, it never subjugates by force unless you killed their civilians first without provocation, stop being a filthy Khan nigger shooting at children and the NCR won't shoot at you after you kill their 3rd envoy of peace.>Still, I wouldnt want them around to govern me>REEEE you cannot tell me what to do, authority bad, I want anarchy because government scares me!No point arguing with anarchists, you are all the most retarded mentally ill niggers who reject authority as a concept.> I rather want a free Vegas from outside influenceWhich provably sucks as per the end slides.
>>3874797>no reason to believe the Khans would changePapa Khans literally is blown apart from all the findings the Courier does, so much so that he is at the fingers of the Courier to either kill his entire clan by doing a charged attacked on Hoover Dam as a last hurrah, asked to leave, or help NCR.Again and again, the Khans arent one type of people, you have mercs like the Courier, men who joined NCR like Manny Vargas, hunters and traders, drug runners, etc... To simplify the Khans to savages is reductive and playing into the narrative of the NCR elites. They dont shoot you on sight, not even in Fallout 1.>you're a retard if you dislike Moore, with the info she hasNo need to kill the Kings if the right people were talked to first.No need to kill the Khans especially when you know there is already discord in leadership and others can be motivated to join NCRHer attack on the BoS is pure revenge on her part because of her traumas in the BoS war, even if you offer a better deal, she will go out of her way to slander your reputation.She even explictly dont like the idea to cooperate with the Followers.If you follow through her demands, it leads to Vegas being a military controlled zone, not a proper territory annexed by NCR. See the endings for yourself. She is a woman with a power trip, and you are actually retarded to believe what you are writing.The best ending for NCR requires you to disobey orders.>You take only into account the motivation of a couple politicians99% of NCR doesnt want to expand, they are forced through conscription and only the Rangers are a voluntary choice. Kimball and Oliver only fed into the conservative parties of NCR and "expand to protect their borders."Also see what Josh Sawyer the main designer of FNV says here, retard. >>3874239>The NCR always cooperates and negotiatesMarcus, the Followers, the people of Vegas and Chief Hanlon say all otherwise.>No point arguing with anarchistsMy last line was from House, retard.
>>3872244Or try to shake them down for caps, the neutral option
How much reputation do you lose when you nuke ncr and legion? I want to nuke ncr but keep boone.
>>3874727She was a theoretical physicist before being enslaved
>>3875512You can finish lonesome road and nuke both factions before you enter inner Vegas for the first time and get the amnesties and they both can go back to neutral repNote: this is very stupid. I think if you only care about Boone you can just scam him by wearing NCR armor when you talk to him. This is also very stupid.
>>3870575>Crime exists inside of this totalitarian regime>This is exactly why we NEED the totalitarian regime! I cannot fully express how profoundly stupid this post is. I'm in awe, really.
>>3870270I don't think it's that unnatural.And dialogue has to always be, to a degree, unnatural.Since there is an economy of language you need to concern yourself with as a writer.In any given line you should try to accomplish at least two things, preferably more.With your suggested line, you really one get across the gameplay purpose of this character being a doctor.In the line in game you get a lot more personality and it is emphasized how few, if any, free women there are in the Legion
>>3870458Maybe there's some new anal moderation on reddit that's brought them over here?I don't think there has been anything new that would bring young people in who may do reddit spacing on accident.
>>3873285It is abnormal to play a game you don't really like 5 times over, yes.
>>3876684I know that I wanted to do it after the strip but it's cool I restarted anyway because I changed my mind on a bunch of stuff and I'm not taking boone this time or I might and see what happens after nuking ncr might be fun.
>>3870458because calling reddit spacing has now become faggotyso people break up their thoughts again instead of being afraid some subhuman slav chimp will ook ook ack ack at them for using paragraphs
>>3870458People who give a shit use CSS that wraps posts to a maximum width so they can see the thread tracker, and want to avoid walls of text. Anything about "reddit spacing" is a spook. The bitching about it started in 2014 and picked up momentum from there as a means to dismiss someone's point and to treat 4chan as a shitposting toilet rather than a place to casually discuss media and hobbies.
>>3877021>a single sentence is a paragraph to zoomers
>>3876789The most retarded part is how those types always act as if the NCR building a safe civilization is a theory when it's established lore going back a very long time. It's not a hypothesis or wishful thinking, it's a fact that the NCR destroys raiders, and that no one in the game has magic powers to detect life forces in a 10km radius, so of course a few raiders still manage to hide in the middle of nowhere and try to attack isolated merchants, but that's a complete non-issue compared to anything seen in the Mojave.I don't have to wish for the NCR to be a good solution, they have already proven they are, the only question is are there better options with a reasonable amount of predictions so as to not be total fan-fiction wishful thinking? And the answer is a full no.
>>3877934>It's not a hypothesis or wishful thinking, it's a fact that the NCR destroys raidersExcept when they are the raiders, threatening otherwise peaceful communities in order to strong arm them into joining. All of it happening back then when Tandi was still alive, too.If only you NCR fags actually played the games you reference you would've seen the decline already happening decades prior the first battle for the Dam.
>>3877804OOK OOK OOK OOK
>>3877934>it's a fact that the NCR destroys raidersThey destroy raiders, nobody is denying that however they uphold a system that make raiders still being a nuissance by allowing organized crime and corruption through supply lines, the crime families are still around and the Van Graffs are still waging a war against NCR.Even back in Fallout 2 they allowed a crime boss a high seat in NCR politics if he brings Vault City on a plate to annex. The only city known so far to rely on atomic energy (and even a nuclear plant if the player manage to make both humans and ghouls from Gecko to cooperate) and the most advanced medical tech in the wasteland. The whole plan of Mr. Bishop is to pay raiders led by commandos to harass and breach Vault City and force them to ask help from NCR.In FNV we are shown that only few officials and high ranking soldiers are willing to choose diplomacy over bloodshed, those who choose the latter are either are weak commanders unable to stood ground from their uninformed orders from their superiors or on a power trip to subjugate communities and people that never asked them to be here in the first place these men.
>>3870270fo1 and fo2 left more for imagination but everything starting from fo3 was ridiculous because everyone behaved as if the war had happened maybe a few years agothe hack writers probably couldn't even imagine how fucking weird and different people would be from what they know in civilized western society
>>3870270Because people often speak with more words than just the bare minimum. You'd know that if you didn't observe life but also actively participated in it. Fucking autism strikes again.
