>>3870781
Because the designers decided so, fucknuts.
What kind of answer did you expect other than that?
Are you retarded?

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>>3870781
Reminder that bitch jumped ship for Netflix game studio. Yeah.

>>3870787
But WHY would anyone decide such a thing, Anon?

>>3870801
They are as retarded as you.

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>>3870781
>the 'bite' of POE dialogue
KEK

no game ever has less bite than the grey sludge of a roleplaying experience that is pillars of eternity, which was also an experiment of how woke they could try to make baldur's gate without running the studio into the ground.

they doubled down in the sequel and tripled down in avowed so don't act like a surprised faggot because wokeslop studio made wokeslop game

>>3870781
>1.Why are there so many homos in the Living Land? Everywhere I go I'm always finding a note or listening to a conversation by some homosexual at a disproportionate rate. Is the Dreamscourge turning them all gay or something?
That's called confirmation and attentional bias. You focus on and pay more attention ot certain things, in this case things that trigger you.as in in a group of 100 couples 5 of them are gay, but you focus on them so much you think there are so many gays when in reality there isn't.

>2.Why is there a side-quest about opposing laws against abortion and both your companion and the game throw shade at you for insisting on picking anti-abortion stance which you can only take under the pretext of being a legalistic bootlicker?
No issue to having a quest about abortion and you can choose not to do it as well. Anti-abortion is the irratonal and anti-personal stance to have. If you have that stance that's fine, own it. But don't delude yourself you're actually so pro-life person because you're not, that' just the excuse you use.

>3.Why does every single conversation feel like you're talking to HR and completely lacks the 'bite' of POE dialogue?
Again, bias.
There are many different writers and some will be better than others on the team. The Eothas Godlike one was for instance good.

>4. Why does every single female outfit look like it was taken out of Victorian England in a tropical landscape?
Because you don't know PoE lore and the setting.

>5. Why does this game sometimes seem like it's the brainchild of some blue-haired feminist? I know that's a chud meme that probably shouldn't be taken literally, but I can't shake it off.
Again, irrational bias.

>>3870884
>Anti-abortion is the irratonal and anti-personal stance to have
Stopped reading here. Fuck, you’re dumb.

>>3870884
lol (at you, not with you)

>>3870884
>That's called confirmation and attentional bias

No, it's called counting.

You don't get to observe 100 couples in the game. When it comes to references of romance in the game's notes and books or NPC chatter, it was more like 5 in 40-50 tops and even that is probably an overestimate, it might actually very well be 5 in 20. Tremendous over-representation.

>Anti-abortion is the irratonal and anti-personal stance to have.

Found the troon.

>The Eothas Godlike one was for instance good.

Yes, I also remember the handful of dialogue sequences that were good. I wonder what that implies about the game in general?

>Because you don't know PoE lore and the setting.

Please tell me you're not about to enlighten me about how a mish-mashed of ragtag settlements comprised of renegades and criminals cares very deeply about the dress code of Aedyr. Surely you are not this retarded, Anon?

Kai's neckline is literally deeper than any woman in the game. The cope has to stop.

>>3870781
>why why why
So that you can make a thread complaining about it, why else? You have nothing going on in your life, you have no purpose or calling, you spend your days doing "nothing", and you know this.
So no purpose, but at least you have things you want right? things you "want", not because you really want them but because, if you're not gonna have a purpose you might as well at least be what you would want others to think of you as (ie, a good friend, smart, knows how to play the violin, etc) Wanting to be seen as "a type of person" is not nothing, and that saves you.
But wanting things that you don't really want has a price, and that is the resentment you feel towards "the left"; careful here, I'm not saying it's misplaced (or isn't), but pervasive.

In other words, why do you care so much about stupid lefties in bad videogames instead of doing something with your life?
>because they run the gaming industry and if you don't oppose them they're gonna ruin society and
and so we have the bends, because the questions you never ask is what would you do if that WASN'T the case? And the reason you can never ask it is because the answer is too terrible too accept, so you have to deny it: you would still do nothing.
>in a perfect world i'd have this and that and
look at the form of your fantasy, it's so on your face you never question it: none of those things you would get by merit, you'd get them BECAUSE the world is perfect, and that includes your merit.

>>3870886
Ok, why is anti-abortion a good and rational stance? If you're gonna peddle "it's anti-life!" you can stop right there because you then admit you care more about a personal principle over another person's life and how it impacts them plus the life of the actual child. Since you don't care about the potential parent and once the child would be born you would not give a single fuck.

>>3870909
>first it's "everywhere I go I see homos, why is everyone turning gay"
>now it's "MAYBE 10% of couples seen or mentioned in the game are gay"
Different anon, but that's called "moving the goalposts"

>found the troon
That's called "not having an argument".

>>3870909
>No, it's called counting.
Ok, how many people you meet are confirmed gay and not gay or left up in the air. Give us the exact numbers. You counted ALL of them, right?
You also cemented how biased and irrational you are with the rest of your post anyway, so you proved me right. So there is no point in wasting time on someone irrational.

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>>3870781
>completely lacks the 'bite' of POE dialogue?
The what now?

>>3870886
How many children have you adopted?
How many hours per week do you spend helping single parents?
How many orphanages do you spend time helping out at?
How much time and effort have you spent in reforming the foster system?

That's what I fucking thought.

>>3870967
Drink bleach roastie.

>>3870916
>Ok, why is anti-abortion a good and rational stance?
It’s wrong to murder children, moron. Insane that even needs to be stated, yet here we are.

>>3871022
They are not sentient and "children" when aborted.
Saying absolutely no abortion is allowed means you don't care if the person was raped, the person won't be a good parent, the person can't support them, they got pressured, etc.
You totally care so much about """life""" you want to dictacte that others aren't allowed abortion but don't give a single fuck once they're actually born and become a life, since you would not support or help the child or parent in any way.
Only burgers and backwater countries are so extremely against abortion and not for rational or humanitarian resaons, but for biased often religious reasons. We're talking outright delusional people that want to pat themselves on the back for being such "good caring people" but in actuality doesn't care at all. They're even worse than the idiots that donate maybe 5 bucks a year to the red cross or something, then sneer at people not donating while patting themselves on the back. Pathetic egomaniacs.

>>3870781
Because Obsidian is fucking gay now. Seriously watch the trailers for Alpha Protocol and compare it to anything they make today. It's downright depressing.

>>3871035
>They are not sentient
Neither are you, you clump of cells.

>>3871045
By that argument it's not immoral to kill anyone, children included.

>>3871046
That’s your argument, not mine. You are literally retarded.

>>3871050
I'm not the one arbitrarily deciding who is and isn't sentient, I'm just following your argument to the logical conclusion.

>>3871035
But they will become children. There's not some magical number of cells where you become a person. Once conception occurs, a child could be born and any human attempt to stop that from happening is murder. If I went back in time to kill your parents so that you'd never be born, it would be murder. And you might not agree with that, but it is the teaching of at least 3 major world religions, all of whom have the right to object to the treatment of this issue in the game, whether you respect their faiths or not. It's incredibly bigoted and imperialistic of you if you want to force your morals so arrogantly like this, btw.

Which brings us back to the actual, vrpg point of this thread you've derailed. That the game takes a real-world sensitive topic, and tries to force a specific morality upon the players. Imagine if the boot were on the other foot, and being anti-abortion was treated as the only moral option. Doubt you'd be so supportive, eh? I imagine you wouldn't even buy the game.

>>3871052
You are arbitrarily deciding who is and isn't a person, though. Or rather, you're mindlessly letting propaganda decide for you.

>>3871070
I'm not arbitrarily deciding anything. 'Sentient' has a clear and well-understood definition, which is what I am applying.

>>3871074
>I'm not arbitrarily deciding anything. 'Sentient' has a clear and well-understood definition
Yeah, that's precisely why I said that you're not sentient.

>>3871077
Would it help if I used simpler words?

>>3871022
>It’s wrong to murder children
we can agree on that
however an early stage fetus is not a child it's organic matter that could become a child
and destroying a fetus at an early stage is not murder

>>3871069
>But they will become children
Irrelevant, it's like calling the sperm you jack off and send down the drainage is murder. They are not children and are not senient at an early stage.

>There's not some magical number of cells where you become a person. Once conception occurs, a child could be born and any human attempt to stop that from happening is murder.
This is the kind of irrational (and often influenced by religion or religious upbringing) mindset I'm talking about.
You want to treat a fertalized egg as a "person" and aborting it to be murder. We're talking the millisecond a sperm enters the egg you treat it as a person for no other reason than to call it murder. You then keep pushing this mental gymnastics further with time machine shit thinking it's the same when you LITERALLY say dumb shit like
>uhhhh, if i kill your parents so you're not born it would be murder because you wouldn't have been born.... not because i killed your grown parents though!
But of course
>but it is the teaching of at least 3 major world religions
there is it is. Relgious people are not rational or caring, but brainwashed by irrational shit and often seek to control others.

>all of whom have the right to object to the treatment of this issue
Absolutely not. It's not their bodies and they don't give a rats ass about the the kid or the potential parents. They don't care about life, they want control. Which is what religion is all about.

>That the game takes a real-world sensitive topic, and tries to force a specific morality upon the players.
No retard. It involves characters in a fake world presenting their views on things. You don't have to agree with them and challening your ideas is mentally healthy.

>Imagine if the boot were on the other foot, and being anti-abortion was treated as the only moral option. Doubt you'd be so supportive, eh? I imagine you wouldn't even buy the game.
Of coruse I wouldn't care, because I'm not mentally stunted.

>>3871145
>This is the kind of irrational (and often influenced by religion or religious upbringing) mindset I'm talking about.

It's a commonplace nowadays to say that youthful religiosity matures into sophisticated atheism, but what you've convinced yourself of is that the god you were taught to believe in as a child doesn't exist, and in this you are correct, that god doesn't exist. Your belief at that time was the same has your unbelief now, both rely on someone else's knowledge that you don't really possess, both prevent belief in anything.

When you're in an airplane you tell yourself it won't crash because of Science, but you don't really know the Science-- you just know that there exists people who do and you trust their knowledge-- not the science, not even the plane. The thing is, you tell yourself you don’t know Science because science is hard, but you don't really want to know the science-- you just want the digital soundbytes, you just want to believe in it. But how much turbulence can you stand before your belief is shattered? “I'm the opposite, the second I get on a plane I'm convinced it's going to crash.” Then why would you risk all of those people's lives just so you can go to another airport? Shouldn't you stay home for their sakes? Or do you believe it might not go down because all those other people know it won't? Do you believe that knowledge summed over a population has mystical power-- that it will protect you? “Obviously not.” So yes.
This kind of knowledge feels empowering precisely because it mitigates not your ignorance but your impotence, and you walk around confident in your knowledge until you have to decide something yourself, and then you may as well lay out Tarot cards, which, weirdly, is something you do know how to do yourself.

>>3871166
>It's a commonplace nowadays to say that youthful religiosity matures into sophisticated atheism
lol, nice cope. If anything you're proof of the opposite.
>both rely on someone else's knowledge that you don't really possess, both prevent belief in anything.
I "believe" in rationality. To challene my ideas. To question everything. To not take things as gospel. To think for yourself.
Close-mindedness, not thinking and ignorance are the things I dislike most of all, which is precisely what religion promotes.

Your entire post was you just trying to do mental gymnastics to dance around the point, not countering anything I said. All to protect that close-minded view you have.
Absolutely nowhere in your post did you prove that a just fertalized egg is a sentient human life. Nowhere did you prove that all these religious people care about the life of the potential parents and child to the point they would support them with money and personal help (especially if they're not part of your religion).
Absolutely nowhere did you prove what gives you the right to decide what someone else should do with their bodies.

Using your logic absolutely no woman should be allowed outside without burkas, because there is a religion that thinks this.
This is the classic case of
>people that can't control their own emotions seek to control other people's behavior

>>3871166
>When you're in an airplane you tell yourself it won't crash because of Science, but you don't really know the Science-- you just know that there exists people who do and you trust their knowledge
You can tell yourself that your flight is almost certainly not going to crash because there are millions of flights every year, the vast, overwhelming majority of which do not crash. You can even observe some yourself by going to an airport.
Also, the science that forms the basis for aeronautics is quite simple, we covered it in tenth grade.

>>3871169
>because there are millions of flights every year, the vast, overwhelming majority of which do not crash
So now not even the science enters the question, but probability is good enough? Now you don't even have to know how a plane works, now it's enough to observe how the other machines haven't crashed to make you feel like you "know" enough to put your faith in it
"not the science, not even the plane."
"But how much turbulence can you stand before your belief is shattered?“

>Also, the science that forms the basis
Why do you mention the basis, do the basis cover everything? Is knowing the basis of something enough to say you know something? Here you'll obviously agree obviously not, but watch then how you use it: does a tenth grader know enough to build the plane you're on? By so focusing on the obvious you let yourself get away with "knowing" the rest
After all it's obvious

>>3871168
Don't accuse me of a covert religious agenda, your paranoia is displacement, I'm not trying to get you to abandon knowledge or convert your beliefs, I am trying to show you that you know nothing and are incapable of belief in anything except envy-- and the consequences for everyone else.

You may think you know, but you are unconsciously aware of your ignorance, which is why you never act-- you aren't afraid to act, that would imply some conscious awareness-- you cannot act. “The Jews seek signs and the Greeks seek wisdom,” perhaps you should have read the next line: “and both of those are awful.” Please recall what happened when Oedipus got both.

>>3871172
>now you don't even have to know how a plane works, now it's enough to observe how the other machines haven't crashed to make you feel like you "know" enough to put your faith in it
Correct, millions of people fly every year without knowing the slightest thing about the mechanics of air travel. Or are you trying to argue that a plane will only land safely if all the people on it know the precise mechanics by which it operates?

>Why do you mention the basis, do the basis cover everything? Is knowing the basis of something enough to say you know something?
Do I need to know the exact mechanics of gravity in order to throw a ball, or to move out of the way of a falling object? Some things are self-evident; I can observe the flight of a bird or of a plane. Are these things less true just because I don't know the specific mechanics by which they operate?

>>3871179
>Or are you trying to argue that a plane will only land safely if all the people on it know the precise mechanics by which it operates?
I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about you.
Why will the plane land safely, to you? Because you know the basis? "I have 10th grade knowledge of aerodynamics, thus the plane will not fall", maybe you shouldn't have skipped 10th grade logic.
"Some things are self-evident", so duh, now you know it won't fall because it's obvious that lots of them don't, but look at what that gets you: Now not only do you not need to "really" know (and I mean really, not just what's obvious), you also can proudly tell everyone how much of a science man you are.

>>3871186
>I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about you.
So the plane I'm on operates under completely different rules, just because I'm on it? Why?

>Why will the plane land safely, to you? Because you know the basis?
Because I have a large amount of evidence that it will and no evidence that it won't. As a counterpoint, why would I believe that it would crash?

>maybe you shouldn't have skipped 10th grade logic
Maybe you should have paid more attention in elementary school logic.

>>3871187
You don't see how your knowledge is a defense against your impotence, but no worries. You will.

>>3871188
Well, I have to fly pretty regularly for work, so I don't think I'll worry too much the next time I get on a plane.

>>3871179
>millions of people fly every year without knowing the slightest thing about the mechanics of air travel.
I’m an engineer in the aerospace industry and I don’t fly anymore.

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>>3871175
>I am trying to show you that you know nothing and are incapable of belief in anything except envy-- and the consequences for everyone else.

I know nothing about what? I am envious of what? What are the consequences?
You sure do like to mouth off while saying absolutely nothing concrete or of substance. You're just deflecting as a defensive mechanism, which is common for the close-minded.
You even keep focusing on irrelevant logical fallacies which has NOTHING to do with abortion or the game itself in replies to other posters.

Just admit it you cannot prove why abortion is so terrible, "murder" and why religious people should dictacte what non religious people should do with their bodies. You were brainwashed and now when met with something not fitting into your narrative you shit the bed and start mouthing off about irrelevant shit in a sad desperate hail mary attempt.

>>3871186
>Why will the plane land safely, to you? Because you know the basis? "I have 10th grade knowledge of aerodynamics, thus the plane will not fall", maybe you shouldn't have skipped 10th grade logic.

You're very very stupid. If a plane would crash knowing the physics, mechanics and programming involved would be irrelevant for a passanger. It would be due to irregularities. I'm struggling to find any logic or relevance in this insane attempt at an analogy to abortion too.

>>3871373
Keep up, do you really think we're talking about planes, do we work for the national committee of aerial security? You're focusing on the wrong thing, the question is about YOU, not "a passenger", not what the "real" factors of the "real" plane would be, but about your belief

>>3871371
>why religious people should dictacte what non religious people should do with their bodies
The unborn child is someone else’s body. You are literally dumber than a pile of bricks.

>>3870884
>everything that disagrees with me is bias, now he's my non biased takes which a priori excludes you being rational...
Shut the fuck up you stupid, delusional faggot. If only society aborted you in the 60 trimester, so we can be spared your hideous fart-snuffing faggotry.

>>3870967
>oh, youtjink murder is wrong? How many potential murder victims have you fed and clothed for life?
>oh, you think parents have a responsibility not to neglect their kids? Well actually you can't believe that unless you take responsibility for their kids and...
That's how retarded you sound. Prochoicers are fucking animal filth with shit for brains. The dumbest, stupidest oinking pigs.

>>3870794
after 12 years at obsidian no less

>>3871371
Holy fuck you're deranged and deluded. All you can do is claim you're a rational person, you believe in rationality. A rational person doesn't need to claim to be rational, you doofus. A rational person makes rational (reasonable) arguments.
Let's make it very simple:
1. You think human choice (especially the sexual choices of a harlot because you're a giant simp and a fag) is an intrinsic value which must be respected by all.
2. It is a natural consequence that you think that life itself is intrinsically valueless, because it must be terminated on the condition of point 1.
3. Humans are intrinsically valueless, yet their sexual choices must be absolutely respected.
This is pants-shitting retardation, and you are dumb to believe in it. If human life is innately not valuable and worthy of preservation, than so is human choice.
You claim others are brainwashed, yet you yourself can only proffer shallow platitudes from outright propaganda that presuppose your own moral ideas. Hence, you make such blatant presumptive statement like this
>why religious people should dictacte what non religious people should do with their bodies.
That's your only logical argument here.
The argument against abortion is very simple.
1. Innocent life should not be taken if avoidable.
2. A child in the womb is innocent life.
3. Abortion is taking their life.
4. Ergo, abortion is wrong, because it's taking innocent life when avoidable.

Given that the pro-choice argument is retarded and contradictory, and the pro-life argument is at least deductively valid, if given the premises, than it's """rational""" to inter to the best explanation. A very simple either-or argument.
1. Either pro-choice or pro-life is rational.
2. Pro-choice is not rational.
3. Therefore, pro-life is rational.

>>3871598
>1. Either pro-choice or pro-life is rational.
False premise. Feel free to prove it, though.

>>3871602
You're supposed to prove your own statements, numb nuts. That includes negations. Unfortunately, redditors often confuse the "burden of proof" (actually a dumb concept for many things) with only positive statements, while it would also apply to negative ones.
For example:
1. You have no logically thinking brain.
Okay, now the impetus is on you to prove the positive, lest the negative be assumed.
But I'll bite:
It's the law of excluded middle: For every proposition, either the proposition is true (A) or its negation (~A, meaning not A).
If I make a statement, like Abortion is morally permissible, than it's either true (A), or false(~A). The negation of that statement would be: Abortion is not morally permissible. These are perfectly valid forms of either-or if you're using boolean reasoning and absolutes. This is something a "rational" person would understand, given that "rational" ultimately comes from the word meaning reason, and logic is the study of correct reasoning.

>>3871598
>1. You think human choice (especially the sexual choices of a harlot because you're a giant simp and a fag) is an intrinsic value which must be respected by all.
>2. It is a natural consequence that you think that life itself is intrinsically valueless, because it must be terminated on the condition of point 1.
Usually it's pro-lifers and not pro-choicers who support the right to shoot up schools, actually.

>>3871608
>You're supposed to prove your own statements, numb nuts. That includes negations. Unfortunately, redditors often confuse the "burden of proof" (actually a dumb concept for many things) with only positive statements, while it would also apply to negative ones.
Right, but asking you to provide proof for your own assertion isn't the same as making a statement of my own. Even if I agreed with you, you're making an unfounded assertion.

>It's the law of excluded middle: For every proposition, either the proposition is true (A) or its negation (~A, meaning not A).
>If I make a statement, like Abortion is morally permissible, than it's either true (A), or false(~A). The negation of that statement would be: Abortion is not morally permissible. These are perfectly valid forms of either-or if you're using boolean reasoning and absolutes. This is something a "rational" person would understand, given that "rational" ultimately comes from the word meaning reason, and logic is the study of correct reasoning.
It's nice that you looked up Wikipedia real quick, but this has nothing to do with showing that your original premise is correct.

>>3871610
>"dude I believe in rationality"
>is a logical positivist

>Right, but asking you to provide proof for your own assertion isn't the same as making a statement of my own.
You said,
>>3871602
>False premise.
Negation.
>Even if I agreed with you, you're making an unfounded assertion.
I'm not. You are. You need to prove your assertion that I'm making an unfounded assertion.
An easy way to see how it's not, is that we can form it by assuming your position is correct.
1. Abortion is morally permissible.
There, assumed.
2. Therefore, statement 1, as a proposition, is either true or false, and cannot be both.
Law of the excluded middle.

>>3871617
>I'm not. You are. You need to prove your assertion that I'm making an unfounded assertion.
Now you need to prove your assertion that I need to prove my assertion that you're making an unfounded assertion.

>An easy way to see how it's not, is that we can form it by assuming your position is correct.
>1. Abortion is morally permissible.
Where did I state that as my position?

This is why we should just kill pro choice """""people"""""

>>3870794
failing upwards

Netflix is the best paying company in tech within FAGMAN

>>3871598
That's a lot of words (read: fallacies) to dance around the point because you can't prove your stance and that you're close-minded.

Your entire premise hinges on a fertalized egg is now a "life" and "life" is sacred. Yet clearly not so sacred you care about the potential parents (now and later) or potential childs live (later, if they were eventually born). Ergo, you are not actually "pro-life". In fact, you do not care about life at all.
But here's the thing, a fertalized egg is no more a life than your sperm you shoot down the toiled when you jack off or bacteria scientifically speaking. If you REALLY want to peddle this idea then you need to come up with a very clear factual and scientific definition. Otherwise your defintion of life is 100% ignorant and based solely on your emotions, bias and shit you pulled from your ass.

You reek of someone that isn't used to thinking for themselves and only be told what to think with a pre-defined religious idea and belief system, which is why you keep resorting to logical fallacies and your statements are circular and contradictory (i.e. deluding yourself you're "pro-life").

>>3871379
by the way, this wasn't about pro or anti abortion, I don't care about that. Again, it was about you but, whatever

>>3871379
>Keep up, do you really think we're talking about planes
Why did you start talking about planes then instead of abortion or games? If your point was about understanding the science then you don't understand it, is that's your point?

Even deadfire had cringey dialogue options everywhere, I'm not surprised this would be even worse in that regard. Obsidian is a lost cause

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>>3871711
It was largely outsourced to Beamdog so no wonder.

>>3871724
>mostly
UI/UX design, 1 narrative designer, designers working on the dialogue system and some level designers. Nothingburger.

>>3871724
obsidian has to be at least working on 2 other bigger games or there is some kind of scam going on.

>>3871819
Pretty much all games have contractors and all it takes is for someone to have worked on the game for like a month or two to be added to the credits.

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Never argue with abortionists, they are child murderers and will eternally pilpul their way out of this fact. Currently, with so many women being dysgenic, having their first kid at 38, being vaxxed, obese, drugged, alcoholic, eating pure slop... it's still barely 1% of abortions that are for medical reasons. In a non-degenerate society, that would easily be less than 0.05%.

>>3871661
>leave our death cult worshipping nihilism alone you ignorant religious freakoids!

Death/nihilist cultism is a terrible thing to base your leftist reddit religion upon. This is what got you Jonestown and the Manson murders btw.
>drink koolaid so the fascists won't get us
>Manson said we had to kill the fascists and eat the rich

Mammalian empathy as a survival strategy allowed humans to become the dominant species on the planet in the first place.

>t. atheist

>>3874007
>In a non-degenerate society, that would easily be less than 0.05%.
good to know you can acknowledge that in a non-degenerate society women will be so free to abort a pregnancy that only 0.05% are due to medical reasons

>>3874172
>>3874007
Why do you post more deflections and fallacies that doesn't disprove what I said or prove your factually and scientifically wrong statement of "abortion is murder the moment the egg is fertalized!".
It's even funnier when you accuse me of being a political extremist, when you're the actual extremist.
And it's even MORE hilarious you think your empathetic when there is zero empathy you're showing (don't care about the potential parents, don't care about the potential child if it was born).

Maybe deflection, fallacies and not using actual arguments works in whatever extremist cult you're in, but it doesn't work when talking to rational unbiased people.
Again, you do everything you can to not back up anything you say or disprove what I say.

Oh and btw
>noooooo a character in a game has a view i don't approve of??? this is an outrage
this is literally mentally ill behavior. It reeks of someone otherwise living in an echo chamber and wants to control others so they conform to said close-minded echo chamber views.
But what can you expect from religious culists?

>>3874007
Video games?

>>3874279
This post has to be parody. No one is actually this dumb and lacking in self-awareness, it's a little too on the nose.

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>>3874406
I hope so, but normies/goycattle are impossible to differentiate from parodies. Anyway, picrel has proven beyond any doubt that even the most uninspired pro-Trump boomer memes on Facebook intellectually crush any leftist. The leftists who spend all their time jacking off to "caricatures" (that aren't even that, a caricature is supposed to exaggerate a real flaw, not make one up entirely) of people they hate, unironically go "hum akshually, Trump isn't a 3 meters tall space paladin chud, you have been fact-checked!" to parodies that paint people they don't like in a good light.

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>>3874406
More deflection, zero arguments. Bravo.So let's break it down

>the instant a sperm fertalizes a female egg it's a "human" and aborting it is murdering a "life"... because...?
>you're actual super pro life and empathetic because you're anti abortion... despite not giving a single fuck about the potential parents or once the child is born. not offering even a speck of support or care.
>wants to enforce his own will on what someone else does with their bodies and if they want to abort, being utterly selfish and a control freak
>unironically views anyone not against abortion as evil
>admits to being religious or heavily exposed to a religious upbringing, repeating the mantras, yet claiming he is not irrational or biased

Both you and your buttbuddy are utterly incapable of basic discussion and making arguments based in facts and reasoning. Utterly incapble of disproving anything or even proving your own ideas.

And to top it off, you and/or your buttbuddy got upset over a videogame character not sharing their ideas. Pic rel applies directly to you.

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>>3874279
>But what can you expect from religious culists?

>>3874496
>>3874625
Maybe you should start answering the basic questions you have dodged this entire thread instead of posting reaction images like an unthinking sheep?
>Why is abortion murder?
>At that exact point would you deem abortion murder and why? The millisecond the egg is fertalized?
>What exactly is the qualifier for life scientifically speaking? Not emotional or irrational, scientific.
>Why do have control over what other people do with their bodies?
>How exactly are you pro life an empathetic when you don't care at all about the potential parents and the potential child once it's born? That's a straight up contradiction.
>Why is your stance a binary extreme where absolutely no situation would allow for abortion? No leeway or exceptions? Why would a rape victim need to carry a child and give birth to it regardless of their feelings or qualifications for being a mother, their economic situation, their age (like being a teen or younger)?
So far all you've done is shitpost, post reaction images, call people murderers and idiots. Not exactly a mature rational approach to convince people you are rationally and morally correct.

Now let's also adress this game related thing
>Why do you get upset over a character not sharing your ideas in a videogame? Why isn't it allowed or ok to have NPCs with ideas different from you?

Now obviously you will not answer any of this, because you can't and you're close-minded. Instead you'll say some lame
>i-i already answered that!
Go ahead and prove me right, that you are a close-minded thin-skinned shitposter, incapable of basic human discussion.

>>3870781
>2.Why is there a side-quest about opposing laws against abortion and both your companion and the game throw shade at you for insisting on picking anti-abortion stance which you can only take under the pretext of being a legalistic bootlicker?
Bullshit. No fucking way
I am so fucking glad I never play western RPG's

>>3874496
This is impressive mental gymnastics.
Slavery is about ownership and control, precisely the thing anti-abortion people want. Control over others.
Even funnier is that this is just to throw shade at the ones with a differeng idea from them, not actually proving why anti-abortion is good. It's about painting the other party as the evil vile enemy, which is textbook extremism.

>>3874637
Surely people wouldn’t do that, just go ahead and lie on the internet? Inconceivable.

>>3874639
>It's about painting the other party as the evil vile enemy, which is textbook extremism.

>>3874637

https://www.polygon.com/gaming/526351/avowed-lady-never-tells-quest-birth-control/

>>3874640

Nice try, Anonette...but I fear truth is more woke than fiction.

>>3874658
>>polygon
>a fucking opinion piece at that
So you haven’t played the game either?

>>3874662
>This quest exists.
>"LIAR!!!!!!!"
>Okay, here's a game review describing its existence
>"SO YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME??

6/10 bait, I replied. But no, I did play the game and the quest, but you wouldn't accept it if I said it.

>>3874675
>quest described in the article and quest described in the OP are almost completely different
>this still supports my argument because ???
Also, that's an opinion piece, not a game review.

>>3874688
They aren't different, retard. Read the last line here.

>"The scent identifies them as Hylea’s parsley, common to the Aedyran mainland. Small doses can prevent a pregnancy. A large dose can end one.”"

>that's an opinion piece

So they're inventing a non-existent quest for the lulz? What's your argument, retard?

>>3874815
>They aren't different
The quest isn't "about opposing laws against abortion" (you're not even in Aedyr) and you're not limited to picking an anti-abortion stance "only under the pretext of being a legalistic bootlicker".
>What's your argument?
That you're so fucking retarded and illiterate you're incapable of using the right terminology even when it's directly explained to you, which is why I'm making fun of you. So why should anyone bother to care about your opinion?

>>3874830
You really need to dislodge that tampon out of your cunt, Anonnette, it's driving you nuts.

>The quest isn't "about opposing laws against abortion" (you're not even in Aedyr)

It's hilarious that you're saying that while calling me illiterate, or at best you're only pretending to have played the game. The quest takes place in a colony ( Paradis ) which is under Aedyran occupation where activities that are illegal in Aedyr are likewise persecuted, unlike the other cities in the game which are still independent. One of the dialogue options for helping the brothel Madame is "I don't agree with Aedyr's laws", the other is forcing her to stop under threat of being apprehended by the authorities.

This is why you belong in the kitchen, not debating men on the internet.

>>3874839
I'm not seeing the problem here and why you're triggered.
If a quest involves following (or not) the laws of a country how is that promoting a specific view and why would it even matter if a character thought one thing?
Am I missing something here or are you simply this thin skinned and easily triggered?

>>3874839
>The quest takes place in a colony ( Paradis ) which is under Aedyran occupation where activities that are illegal in Aedyr are likewise persecuted, unlike the other cities in the game which are still independent.
Which is why they still have their own independent governor and militia, right? Because they're just an Aedyran colony. Maybe if you had played the game instead of skimming through a summary video you would've known for yourself. In fact, the ambassador will even cite the fact that you don't technically have authority to enforce those laws as one of the reasons as to why he's tacitly supporting the brothel.

>One of the dialogue options for helping the brothel Madame is "I don't agree with Aedyr's laws"
Yes, one of. You can also tell her that you do support Aedyr's laws and that you're going to help her anyway, or that you think she's completely wrong about both, or refuse to help her because smuggling is wrong regardless of circumstance, or because she tried to involve an envoy in something that's clearly illegal. So where's this forced dialogue again?

>>3874842
NTA, but the problem for me is that it’s new generations of shitty writers who can’t resist from projecting their personal political opinions and biases onto the content, generally in a hamfisted, and immersion-breaking way. Really hurts the suspension of disbelief. BG3 and CP2077 were bad with this, too. A mental flaw of modern leftoids.

>>3874855
>A mental flaw of modern leftoids.
To clarify, they’re so twisted by propaganda that they genuinely can’t understand how “the other side” things or why. Lack of theory of mind and empathy.
There’s no way that their “opponent” could be a reasonable and good person who came to different conclusions based upon different premises, they’re just a caricature of an evil retard. See this thread for obvious examples.

>game about you coming in deciding the fate and laws of the living lands, doing whatever you want
>gets mad a quest gives you the option to support a view you don't agree with
who let these normalfaggots on vrpg that have never played an rpg before

>>3874855
>NTA, but the problem for me is that it’s new generations of shitty writers who can’t resist from projecting their personal political opinions and biases onto the content
You can literally choose to disagree and not support that shit.

>generally in a hamfisted, and immersion-breaking way.
Abortion has been a thing since forever across the world and in almost all religions, including christianity. Anti abortion is a modern thing. Having a quest involving abortion and allowing the players to choose how to handle it makes perfect sense in a fantasy setting. If anything it would be more unrealistic not to have it.
What exactly is hamfisted and bad about it here?

>A mental flaw of modern leftoids.
This is you outing yourself as a midwit, you realize this, right? No intelligent person is an extremist.

>>3874855
>being able to make choices in an RPG is... bad!
>devs should only include the choices that I think the player should make

>>3874855
Why is it strange the owner of a whorehouse doesn't want her whores to get pregnant non-stop?

>>3874279
So I am not the anon you've been posting leftist drivel at for paragraphs.

>empathy for potentials and hypotheticals
Yet there is 100% chance you've snuffed out an innocent life with abortion, and 99% chance it was done for convenience instead of actual medical or rape hardship.

The only thing consistent about leftoid religious worldview is that it's worship of the meaningless, worship of false science, worship of nihilism, worship of entropy, and therefore worship of death.

Believing that life only begins outside of a vagina and that there is no actual empathic cost to society by promoting your death cult that plays eugenic goalposts with the worth of a human is the true extremist position.

>>3874842
The quest is very shoehorned, in an explicitly progressive/woke game that literally has Pronouns and 'They/Them' love stories in notes strewn about, with a blue-haired feminist game director and 'proudly' woke team and woke consultation companies guiding them. Naturally you can scream that you are unable to connect the dots until tomorrow, but nobody else is buying it.

There's never really been a quest or dialogue about this topic in any Obsidian game before, nor in most high-rated RPG's in general really, and every single line of voice acting during that quest comes with some moralizing tone about women's bodily autonomy in a way which is a patently obvious stand-in for current political issues. Again, you screaming that they just coincidentally decided to dredge this topic up in this particular game with this particular team in a 'fitting' place isn't gonna stop anyone else from notcing. And if you google the quest's name on steam discussion, a lot of people have been noticing. Even Polygon which is woke themselves realizes it's supposed to appeal to 'their side'.

>how is that promoting a specific view and why would it even matter if a character thought one thing?

Already explained, both of your companions who are supposed to be a voice of guidance in many quests are very dogmatically insisting that you allow the herb smuggling to proceed, and you can only disagree by playing the part of an Aedyr lapdog but can't make an argument for why you *personally* oppose the usage of those herbs and therefore oppose the brothel's activities, while supporting it is based on 'noble and rational' motives.

>>3874279
Furthermore it's important leftists like you understand this: it wasn't really fascism that made the world rise up against the Nazis, it was their horrifying eugenics practices.

>Josef Mengele, the SS physician known as the "Angel of Death" for his brutal medical experiments on prisoners at Auschwitz during the Holocaust, reportedly practiced medicine illegally in Argentina after fleeing Europe, including performing abortions.
After settling in Buenos Aires in the 1950s, Mengele may have worked as an unlicensed physician and gained a reputation as a specialist in abortions, which were illegal in Argentina at the time.

Because every leftist sounds more and more like a Nazi every day.

>>3874848
>Which is why they still have their own independent governor and militia, right? Because they're just an Aedyran colony

Your illiteracy is showing again. I never said they are an *Aedyran colony* for a reason, I said it's a colony *under* Aedyran *occupation*. Many occupations leave a local civil administrator in charge while exercising military control, which is in fact what's happening in Paradis. It's flooded with Aedyran soldiers, surrounded beyond the city walls with Aedyr's army, and you can even see Aedyran soldiers barking orders at the militia while walking around the streets.

Even a puppet state usually retains more autonomy from foreign forces, it's openly stated to be just an occupation with a barely teetering figurehead ( The Claviger ) which is also what every civilian is complaining about and describes as happening.

Either way, they hold all the power and 'take care of' anyone violating their taboos, because otherwise you ( An Aedyran envoy ) wouldn't be deciding the fate of an 'independent' establishment's policies either and the quest wouldn't exist. So yes, you are 100% opposing anti-abortion laws, your own lays as a government official of an occupying force if nothing else.

>or refuse to help her because smuggling is wrong regardless of circumstance, or because she tried to involve an envoy in something that's clearly illegal.

Where's the 'Refuse to help because inducing abortions/birth control is wrong' option? If you can choose to help because you think the practice itself is morally right, why can't you object because it's morally wrong?

>>3874890
> Furthermore it's important leftists like you understand this: it wasn't really fascism that made the world rise up against the Nazis, it was their horrifying eugenics practices.
Stopped reading here. It was because the Jews controlled the USSR, the USA, and the UK.

>>3874889
>The quest is very shoehorned
How? Whorehouses throughout history has used abortion. The quest is literally about this. The most natural quest related things for a whorehouse would be
>abortion
>runaway whore
>murdered whore
>sick whore
>unwanted child
You can then outright not help them or tell them that's illegal under Aedyran law.

>There's never really been a quest or dialogue about this topic in any Obsidian game before
You're making a good case to have it then. Unless you want to do the exact same quests over and over again. It's not like Obsidian usually has whorehouses either, which they did here.

>>3874884
>>3874889
>>3874890
>muh leftists!!!!!1
Are you a burger with brainrot? Because it's always extremist right wing bugers that attribute everyone not agreeing with them as being those damn leftists, the enemies of man and the based right wing side.
Here's a newsflash for you most people do not give a fuck about politics and are neither left or right. I have a negative interest in any and all politics, because it always involves absolutely insane extremists like you.
I always take a rational and scientific approach to things. You clearly take an emotional and irrational one.
When someone starts screaming about how abortion is murder and wrong, I question that if it doesn't make sense. Because how is it murder when it hasn't even evolved into a fetus yet? So I question people like you to justify those statements. So when you then don't answer this and start screaming about leftists out of the blue you come across as clinically insane.
I say again, I do not give a rats ass about politics.

>>3874922
So there are at least 4 other different plotlines you can conceive of which is still an understatement, assuming you decide that there *has* to be a quest in the brothel at all, and that it needs to be related to the woes of brothel employees as well.

In other games, the brothel would usually be there for you to hire prostitutes, which for some reason Obsidian doesn't allow you to do in Avowed even though you could in every other game, which I'm sure has nothing to do with their Game Director. And most games also feature quests in a brothel which simply take place there or have to do with some hooker's personal issues or the information they hold but not necessarily about the brothel itself.

So in a game which doesn't even let you hire any of the courtesans unlike all other games and which removed all romance elements because 'the developers thought it's too distracting', you go through the step of setting up a large side-quest in a brothel and that it has to be about the workers and that it has to be about womyn's rights and my body my choice.

And it doesn't end there, because you can have a quest involving abortion where it's a background theme but your decisions aren't about picking a stance on abortion. But no, they design the following dialogue in a very direct manner:

>"DO YOU SUPPORT WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE AUTONOMY?"
>A: "Yes I do" ( Your companions think you're awesome. The strong independent woman thanks you. )
>B. "Yes I do, but.. ( You're a bit of a pain in the ass but everybody still thinks you did the right thing )
>C> "No, because I'm a mindless drone for Big Government" ( Your companions hated that. You fucked up a lot of poor women's life. Everybody disliked that, and you get the lesser quest reward. )

Truly amazing plausible deniability.

>>3874923
Every leftist is a dehumanizing little Mengele in training now.
>How is it murder when I'm just constantly redefining what a life is anyway?
I never said murder, I said eugenics, which is worse. That is a scale beyond even a mass murderer. That is what Josef Mengele was, a eugenicist. This is a man who redefines things such as "fetus/jew = parasite" in order to justify their fucked up worldview. Just like every leftist does today because the leftist media made it palatable to normies.

>I'm a le radical centrist
No you're not. You're just another twit drinking the leftist koolaid.

I call upon you to justify what possibly makes you and your ilk's opinion worth the death march off the cliff toward absolute nihilism. Is it the joy of being replaced with infinite immigrants, is that what makes your opinions worth listening to? Or damning whole societies with opioids? What? What have you yourself done that is better than raising a net contributor to society aka a child? My guess is nothing more than self indulgent rants regurgitating your reddit and steven colbery lackwit onto the internet.

I loathe even speaking to you cultists but it's good to expose your aberrant genocidal thinking to others.

>>3875122
That's a lot of words in order to not answer the question.

>>3874889
>There's never really been a quest or dialogue about this topic in any Obsidian game before
Pillars of Eternity 1. I accept your concession.

>Already explained, both of your companions who are supposed to be a voice of guidance in many quests are very dogmatically insisting that you allow the herb smuggling to proceed
Companions having their own opinions is a bad thing, now? Are you one of those retards who regards everything the game tells you as intended to be complete and literal truth? Or are you obsessed with needing your companions to agree with you on every single point? There's no approval system here.

>and you can only disagree by playing the part of an Aedyr lapdog but can't make an argument for why you *personally* oppose the usage of those herbs and therefore oppose the brothel's activities
You can, though.

>>3875137
>it's not really political propaganda!
>it's not really political propaganda!
>it's not really political propaganda!
It's really just political propaganda and the pretezels you twist yourself into to pretend it's not look pretty silly to the rest of us non koolaid drinkers.

>>3875181
>not an argument
>not an argument
>not an argument
I accept your concession. Better luck next time!

>>3875181
I think you meant to say
>i don't view it as my prefered propaganda, so it's bad
You would be ecstatic if the game was extremely heavy handed and littered with quests and characters that said abortion is murder and bad.
So even your weak baseless argument of "it's propaganda so it's bad" doesn't hold water.

And again, why can't games, books, movies, etc. have characters that don't share your views? This comes across as very uncultured because a ton of media has characters the reader might not agree with or even like.

>>3875195
People have asked you questions and you have answered none of them. Including simple ones like when exactly does a fertalized egg become a life and what is the scientific basis for that.
Instead you scream about murder over and over while plugging your ears. Real mature.

>>3877845
>bumps a 5 day old thread off page 9 when the schizo has been repeatedly BTFO
For what purpose?

>>3877852
Who? The religious nutjob that thinks abortion is murder and wants to enforce his views on others? Yeah, he never made a single point at all and only shitposted, you're right.

>>3874936
>So there are at least 4 other different plotlines you can conceive
The most logical quest involving a whorehouse is abortion, not murder or anything like that. Someone running away, being murdered or sick can be applied to anything anywhere in the game world because it's so generic, so why go with the generic less logical quests like another murder case.
Sex is the business it sells. Without preventive measures sex often leads to children. Having a whorehouse filled with children or a bunch of pregnant whores isn't good for business, so even if the children were born they would be thrown out to die or live on the streets. The drug in the game is used both to prevent conception and abortion, both which are very relevant and important for a whorehouse and something that has been used in whorehouses for as long as it has been possible throughout history.

>In other games, the brothel would usually be there for you to hire prostitutes
You mean the lamest most pointless thing which isn't even a quest and just a dumb fade to black screen? Yeah, if only we had a pointless fade to black screen it would be awesome.

>And it doesn't end there, because
Because you twist what happens with your emotional biased views. Like a whorehouse owner not wanting her merch to become defective (pregnant) makes her your dreaded strong independent woman? Ok.
Then you're baffled your companions which aren't part of Aedyr, doesn't like Aedyr has someone anal about Aedyran law where Aedyran law doesn't actually apply disagrees? Not only that, you get upset someone dares disagree with you?
You make it clear you wanted a choice that praises anti-abortion because it aligns with your own views and then have everyone praise you for that choice. Which is a really immature mindset, on top of you being clearly overemotional and biased.

>>3877880
>because it aligns with your own views and then have everyone praise you for that choice. Which is a really immature mindset, on top of you being clearly overemotional and biased.
Pottery.

>>3877927
Too bad it's not the gotcha moment you think it is.
You're angry characters that have no reason to support Aedyr law (they actively dislike it) and the quest giver doesn't high five you for saying fuck you to the quest giver and saying you want to enforce Aedyr law.
Can you explain why your companions would support Aedyr law or the quest giver would be happy about this?
You also can't form any arguments or counter arguments, so you resort to desperate fallacies. In other words, this is admission of you conceding.

>anons think running around being a murderhobo killing everything left and right is fine
>but abortion is bad because it's "murder"
burger logic

>>3877845
>leftoid thinks everyone wants propaganda in their games as long as it's for their team
Remember when we all just used to talk about how cool x y or z game was and politics never got mentioned because politics weren't hamfistedly shoved down your throat in the first place by leftists?

>This comes across as very uncultured
Not really, when you see games like pathfinder removing depictions of slavery for example, you know you're once again in for the same tired leftist talking points and less art to be replaced by more political messaging. This doesn't say "cultured" at all, it says cult.

>>3877880
The most logical quest involving a whorehouse is acquiring money to sleep with a succession of better whores. Or becoming a pimp to slap those hoes around. Or doing away with an abusive pimp.

There are just all kinds of more creative quests that could be done that are politically neutral, but we know where the heavy narrative hand of the left tips the scales.

It is obvious, trite, and your increasing desperation to defend politics in video games was tiresome 10 years ago, and is still tiresome.

>>3870884
I dissagre with the jews
>That's irrational, the jews are always right, you have a false consciousness and do not propely understand your possition as the proletariat.
kike

>>3877845
>Your propaganda is bad our propaganda is good
Yes?
Your propaganda is a attack on the fundamental truths of the world, ours is confirming it.
>why can't games, books, movies, etc. have characters that don't share your views?
Every single game is choke-full of your kike liberal garbage, and you have the audacity to pretend that someone is taking offense to "games having characters that".
What a ridiculous sugestion.
What' you're actually saying is "Why are you mad about us forcing our propaganda down your throat, and defunding banning and jailing anyone who produces alternative content"?
The answer is obvious.
Gas yourself.

>>3877852
The only one who's been BTFO here are you obnoxious shills, who post your genuinely baseless assertions about the normality and genneral acceptability of jewish liberalism.

>>3878108
Maybe stop making it obvious you're a right wing extremist by calling everyone that proves you wrong or disagrees with you a leftist. You only make it clear you're extremely irrational and desperate. Extremism is a sign of the dumbest people on the planet, regardless of which way they lean. I also have zero interest in politics and don't even bother voting. So accusing me of being left, right or whatever is extremely stupid, especially when done baselessly.
It's also not propaganda.
The whorehouse owner wants the drugs, why would they be happy with you going on about anti-abortion?
Your companions do not like Aedyr and the idea of trying to push Aedyr laws. Why would they be happy about you going on about Aedyr laws?
If anything you wanted to spout propaganda in the whorehouse owners face and have everyone high five you and convince her of her evil evil ways to allow all of her whores to get constantly knocked up, lose money and sit on tons of orphans to throw out on the streets, while you then run out to murder 100 more people.

>Not really
Yes really. The idea of characters or scenarios presenting something you don't disagree with is something you find unacceptable. That is both immature and a sign of being uncultured since you don't expose yourself to different views or challenge your ideas.

>>3878113
>Yes?
Read the above >>3878153 , not propaganda. And being a hypocrite is a negative attribute, maybe try and correct that.
>Your propaganda is a attack on the fundamental truths of the world
Delusion and ego. You think your ideas are "fundamental truths of the world". That's by itself is bad enough, but you don't even challenge said ideas, which means you do not actually believe in it. If you actually believed in it you would challenge those ideas with arguments, not scream at people for not sharing your ideas.
We've had most of this thread going on and no one has even said when exactly a sperm becomes a "life", how it's scientifically backed up, how someone anti-abortion is supposedly "pro life" yet does not care at all about the actual living people or once the child is born (i.e. hypocrisy and delusion), etc.
Not wanting to do that and challenging your ideas is you knowing deep down you're wrong, can't back your claims up and can't disprove the arguments raised against you, but you're too emotional and close-minded to admit it.

>Every single game is choke-full of your kike liberal garbage
So you're another irrational right wing extremist that calls anyone that calls out your faulty logic and arguments as your "enemy", those damn leftists. I suggest you stop being an extremist since it's mentally unhealthy.

>What a ridiculous sugestion.
Yes, it's much better not to challenge your ideas or learn to handle people having a different opinion or idea than your own. It's much better to get triggered by media daring to have a character say something you disagree with.
You don't even realize that you're the same as those thin-skinned idiots that get triggered by someone just saying the word "rape" or those arabs that get triggered by some comic strip.
You emotionally can't handle a fictional character saying or believing something you disagree with, yet unironically believe you're a rational and mentally mature person.

>>3878115
Anti-abortion is a modern thing and mostly based in more religious groups or underdeveloped countries. It comes from entitlement and emotions, not rationality.
For someone that has supposedly "btfo" people, there's an amazing lack of arguments or even answering simple questions. Instead I just see a bunch of seething and calling people names.

In fact, you and your friends have even been unable to justify why it's not thin-skinned behavior to get triggered by game character saying or believing something you disagree with. Let alone books, movies or whatever. Sounds to me you just want to be triggered and seethe over the pettiest shit.

>>3878108
>politically neutral

you sound like the ones you tell us you hate. there is nothing politically neutral about becoming a pimp that punches whores, btw

>dozens of paragraphs about how murdering unborn babies is heckin' scientific and moral
>you're an extremist if you disagree, stop being so closed-minded and irrational

>>3878211
No anon. I am asking you simple questions you can't answer, because you know you either can't or the moment you do you'll prove your own reasoning doesn't hold up.

Care to explain why answering simple questions like
>when exactly a sperm becomes a "life"
>how it's scientifically backed up
>how someone anti-abortion is supposedly "pro life" yet does not care at all about the actual living people or once the child is born (i.e. hypocrisy and delusion)
is impossible for you to the point you have to deflect and shitpost instead for an entire thread?
If you were actually correct, answering the questions would only help you, since through discussion and testing ideas we would arrive at the truth.
I am legit challenging my ideas here as I always do. I am open to being proven wrong. You're not. You're actively afraid of being wrong. That's the difference here. But I'm also a very rational person, so so sound reasoning, facts and logic is what convinces me.

As for the extremist part. It's very obvious someone is an extremist when they consistently, unprovoked and baselessly accuse people of being of a political leaning (typically left or right) just so they can label them as the "enemy" and similar tiresome behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4

>>3878222
You were answered by multiple anons, literally weeks ago.
>>3871022
>It’s wrong to murder children, moron. Insane that even needs to be stated, yet here we are.
>>3871598
>1. Innocent life should not be taken if avoidable.
>2. A child in the womb is innocent life.
>3. Abortion is taking their life.
>4. Ergo, abortion is wrong, because it's taking innocent life when avoidable.
You're still here ranting about your political stances on an image board for discussing roleplaying games, while calling anyone that disagrees with you a religious nut/bigot/extremist. "Life begins at conception" is a simple and consistent viewpoint grounded in both objective morality as well as biology, while "prior to gestational age X, an unborn child is a non-person, and taking that life is morally and ethically justified, while after gestational age X, that unborn child becomes a person with rights, which include the right to not be killed" which is inherently an arbitrary argument hinging upon the specific definition of X, which varies wildly, up to and including birth.
I'm a former leftist, I'm familiar with every single one of your arguments, and I have echoed them in the past.
You are literally dumb as fuck. Hope this helps.

>>3878175
>he fell for it
Can you koolaid drinkers even see quests without a political lens anymore? Directly after that I mentioned the other quest option of stopping some pimp punching whores. Net result = politically neutral quest options. I did that absolutely on purpose because I knew at least one of you would short circuit your reading comprehension with your emotional DEFEND WOMEN takes and prove my point.

>>3878222

"I'm not political though" You most certainly are. The left is not the center. Killing babies in the womb is not some apolitical stance no matter how much the left pretends it to be so. It's pro-eugenics, same as Josef Mengele. Just own the fact that you have more in common with the worst Nazi to ever walk the Earth than the right any time you want.

>>3878226
Former leftist as well. Constantly amazed how basic non-nihilist takes have to be spelled out for these brainwashed redditors to counter their pseudo-scientific rants. I bet half of them will argue that hormone therapy for children is healthy too. Why not experiment on every generation with their awful political power grab takes why don't they? Abortion is working out so well for the US with population decline to be replaced by the pure imported chaos of third world countries for example.

It's funny too because for every affluent established couple that gets an abortion for convenience (the very couple most likely to be able to support children without burdening everyone else) they're almost guaranteeing it has to be replaced with a culturally destructive import from foreign shores, likely desperate for slave wages, likely into a situation that is most burdensome to people paying taxes already here as their net drain on the economy takes hold when taxpayers pay all their expenses, even to the point of training and giving up their job to an immigrant. Even the reasons they want eugenics for convenience in the first place are backfiring on the left wholesale in multiple ways.

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>Avowed game director.
... nah too easy.

>>3878115
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>>3878226
>>It’s wrong to murder children
>immediately goes on to be unable to justify why you should consider a fetus to be a child

>>1. Innocent life should not be taken if avoidable.
>goes on to seethe about not being able to demonstrate his premise that either pro-life or pro-choice is logical
Yes, great answers.

>"Life begins at conception" is a simple and consistent viewpoint
Simple, yes. Consistent? The argument isn't about whether a fertilized egg is biologically alive. What you're arguing is that human life begins at conception, which is debatable.

>>3877880
>The most logical quest involving a whorehouse is abortion,

It's very suspicious and odd to make a 'bathhouse' monikered whorehouse where the 'Courtesans' ( In case you're too thick to get it, all of these words got sanitized from 'brothel' and 'prostitutes' in earlier games to something less 'offensive' ) are all wearing far more clothing in the tropical heat of Paradis than they ever did in Pillars of Eternity or older Obsidian brothels, prevent the player from using their services at all or being rewarded with their services ( Which was doable in Pillars of Eternity games ), only to decide that you absolutely must have an impactful brothel side-quest.

If you are already of a mind to make 'brothel-specific' plotlines, why is the brothel otherwise completely non-functional for the player? The quest itself independently of its blatant political messaging is completely lackluster, it's just a fetch quest, you're tasked with retrieving the herb package from the warehouse, which is summarily followed by a lot of sanctimonious dialogue about women's bodily autonomy.

A shit quest, in a shitty non-interactive location that used to be different in previous, less woke Obsidian games, there is little need for it at all. You could just assume she handled the smuggling on her own and put virtually any other quest in there, or none at all, considering the location is purely cosmetic anyway.

Cont.

>>3877880
>>3878329
Cont.

But we all know what the motivation behind stopping us, the players, from 'making use' of the hookers or not even visually objectifying them was ( Not to mention every other female character in the game being ugly and dressed like a nun in a tropical paradise ) while inserting *that* specific lame fetch quest with *that* topic was. I'm sorry Anon, maybe you could've have gotten away with it in a game that didn't have a blue-haired female director, 100 DEI hires, pronouns in character creation, a gay main companion and 50 queer relationships stories throughout the game itself with female leaders everywhere. But since this is such a game, we all know what's up.

>You mean the lamest most pointless thing which isn't even a quest and just a dumb fade to black screen?

Only with cucked studios. Go watch Cyberpunk 2077's and Baldur's Gate 3's prostitution scenes.

>Then you're baffled your companions which aren't part of Aedyr, doesn't like Aedyr has someone anal about Aedyran law

Only thanks to another brilliant decision by the developers to make 'Anti-colonialism' the clear Good Ending path and all 4 of your companions to be Anti-Imperialists too, even though you still meet plenty of Aedyr simps in the Living Lands so they could've wrote one like that if they really wanted to.

Regardless, they sometimes opt for 'moral grayness' in other Aedyr-related decisions but are extremely hostile about this in particular.

>>3878329
>It's very suspicious and odd to make a 'bathhouse' monikered whorehouse where the 'Courtesans' ( In case you're too thick to get it, all of these words got sanitized from 'brothel' and 'prostitutes' in earlier games to something less 'offensive')
The brothels in both Pillars of Eternity games are both "inns" and the prostitutes in each are described as courtesans as well, you colossal retard. Is it too hard for you people to actually play the games you spend so much time shitposting about?

>>3878226
>You were answered by multiple anons, literally weeks ago.
No, you made statements unrelated to the questions and kept pretending you answered them.

None of what you copypasted even answered the first question
>when exactly a sperm becomes a "life"
nor the second one, tied to the first
>how it's scientifically backed up

>>3878300
>"I'm not political though" You most certainly are. The left is not the center.

Oh really? Why don't you tell me exactly what I think and believe in detail in terms of political thoughts then. I'm all ears for you to make baseless asspulls that are dead wrong.

And since you have trouble paying attention, my focus has been on you and your friends being able to justify your stance and back it up with actual rational arguments.
The arguments you made like being "pro life" were disproven ages ago, because you're not pro life if you're anti abortion but don't care about the parents situation, their lives or when the potential child is born. You don't care about them at all, so you are not pro life. That's just what you say to pat yourself on the back and pretend you're a nice guy.
Second, you can't even answer simple questions like
>when exactly does a sperm become a "life" and back it up with science
ergo when does abortion actually become this dreaded murder you're talking about? 1 second after the sperm enters the egg? The sperm is not scientifically different at this point so if you deem that murder at that point then you would deem yourself a mass murderer every time you jack off and kill all those sperms that could've been children.
Basically your reasoning and logic doesn't make sense. You can't back it up. You haven't even thought about it.

>>3878335
Seething about things in games they haven't even played is standard for this board.

>>3878345
Sad as it is, you'd think if you had so much time to spend seething about it you could at least play some games. They're not even that long.

>>3878330
So you're mad you don't get a fade to black pointless "sleep with hooker scene" and because you can't tell the owner to go fuck herself because abortion and preventive drugs is murder, when you then run off to murder tons of people?
Ok.

>Only with cucked studios. Go watch Cyberpunk 2077's and Baldur's Gate 3's prostitution scenes.
You mean embarrassingly bad and immature games which treats sex like someone that has never had sex? The games with cuckoldry, the companions finding themselves more attractive than you, where the companions are sex starved weirdos into turning themselves into bears to have sex with you and if you say no to Shadowheart she disapproves? Cyberpunk which pushes transgender stuff all over character creation and the game itself? The game which also pushes abortion and preventive implants as standard practice?
You're sounding awfully lot like a hypocrite here.

>Only thanks to another brilliant decision by the developers to make 'Anti-colonialism' the clear Good Ending path
It's technically not the good ending (the closest to a good ending is a compromise, not a full on colonization, which makes sense). And why would people be happy about being forcefully taken over and follow another nation's laws? It just sounds like you're pro something and no matter what wants positive reinforcement to tell him he's such a good boy for picking or thinking that. You sound spineless and unsure of yourself.
If I strongly believe in something I don't give a fuck about anyone else. I own it. I don't need someone else to pat me on the back telling me I'm such a great guy.
However, I am always fully open to being proven wrong with sound reasoning and facts. That's called having a healthy mind.

>>3878335
No they aren't. They are explicitly brothels *inside* inns. It's like having a restaurant inside a mall, Anon.

https://pillarsofeternity.fandom.com/wiki/The_Salty_Mast

>>3878352
>when you then run off to murder tons of people?

Nice try, but if you actually know the endings as well as you pretend then you know that the game is onions enough to the point where you spend 99% of combat killing Xaurips, Spiders, Beetles, and Dreamthralls, not people. The other 1% is killing people who attack you on sight in self-defense and you typically have options to talk down your enemies.

>Because abortion and preventive drugs is murder

Anon, you realize the reason your post over here >>3877880 has 3 different replies is because you're talking to 3 different people, right? You can even spot the theme throughout the thread - there's me, the guy who always argues about the details of the game itself, and the guy who never played the game and only responds with philosophical opposition to abortion.

>You mean embarrassingly bad and immature games which treats sex like someone that has never had sex?

As well they should, /v/irgins ought to be the target audience. That's why both games are more successful.

>You're sounding awfully lot like a hypocrite here.

Only if you believe everyone is the same person.

Transgender stuff is actually mandatory canon of the Cyberpunk universe which is very unique to the Cyberpunk RPG setting, and the only transgender character in the game is a sex predator that you can beat the fuck out of, so if that's what you call 'pushing transgender stuff'. Abortion is rarely tackled at all, preventive implants render it largely obsolete.

>It's technically not the good ending

Steel Garrote ending is the obvious 'worst' ending and full colonization is the 'dickhead' ending, the compromise still entails autonomy and independence is still described in all guides as the most joyous ending.

>>3878352
>And why would people be happy about being forcefully taken over and follow another nation's laws?

Because there are literally inhabitants of the continent who *are* happy about it that you meet throughout the game either because they think it will bring 'law and order' moreso than the local authorities can, or because they are Aedyran loyalists who still settled here. It's just that none of your companions are permitted to have even one such personality out of the 4 for diversity's sake somehow.

You don't have an healthy mind, you have an obtuse mind ,and bury your head in the sand to anything which exposes flaws in your partisan hack creative process because you are a smug redditor.

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>>3878518
>Transgender stuff is actually mandatory canon of the Cyberpunk universe which is very unique to the Cyberpunk RPG setting,
Probably true for tabletop.

>the only transgender character in the game is a sex predator that you can beat the fuck out of, s
Embarrassingly not true for CP2077 for your "didn't play the game" post

Fingers the ripperdoc you beat the fuck out of isn't even trans, he's just a freak.
The Afterlife bartender Claire is the actual transgender person.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingDetails/comments/kdjns6/claire_afterlifes_bartender_has_a_trans_pride/

There are at least two of us opposing abortion in this thread, probably more.
I'm not even anti-trans, I'm anti-leftist and doing evil experimental genocidal and genocide adjacent experimental shit to children. This includes trans lifestyle being pushed onto them.

The obsession with anti-colonialism thing I also find to be nigh unto a cultist religious obsession with the left because we can go far enough back into history and make up reasons to get rid of any population based on which tribe was winning some war/expansion of territory at the time.

Currently reasons are being made up to get rid of white people and I will never just lie down for that and pretend it's not racist cult shit. Abortion is a great tool in the leftist toolbox for that one.

There is a lot of racism in these games targeted against white people, condescending lectures about colonialism just a small part of it. I don't care what cucked SF devs and liberal blue hairs say, nor anyone that agrees with them on these boards they are all people of broken self esteem. Just stuff I don't find enjoyable in my escapist video games.

The Age of Sail probably was a net positive for most countries with the exchange of medicine and goods and science but leftists, being the nihilist power grab cult that they are will only ever focus on negative slave shit that we (in the USA at least) already fought a war to resolve.

>>3878518
Truly GB stopped a lot of slave trading among other countries as well by having the Royal Navy put a stop to it directly.
So the COLONIALISM BAD is a very one sided view of history, but that is what you get with myopic leftists.

They don't have any solutions either I generally find, just endless nihilism, endless criticism, endless staring into the nietzschean void without giving anyone a reason to climb out of it.

It's no wonder they were suicidal in Jonestown, were suicidal in Spahn Ranch, were suicidal recently against Trump and Charlie Kirk. Are suicidal about their children entering the world, hence they believe abortion is some sort of virtue instead of the depraved activity that it is.

When death is your only worldview you're lost.

>>3878605
I actually forgot about Claire, it was unobtrusive enough only if you delve into xyr's personal quest and quickly moved on from to the point where I barely remembered it, probably since the developers in this instance actually didn't want to come off as pushy unlike Avowed's, which I didn't think you had played.

>>3878344
>>when exactly does a sperm become a "life" and back it up with science

I haven't addressed this myself yet but I'll tell you an easier way that most never bring up.
It's when the mother (and father) know they killed their future child.
It's a hit to her ability to be empathic going into the future.

People are not objective machines to be measured by science, this is the talk of Josef Mengele.
People are living beings that start out with a certain capacity to be empathetic toward the plight of others.
This is essentially a principle we can withdraw from by devaluing life.

When the soldier kills a child soldier on the other side, he loses empathy over time.
When the left feeds their children into a murder machine wholesale, they lose empathy over time for people.

Perhaps it isn't a huge effect on her with say, Plan B a few days after conception, or even more with leftist propaganda telling her fetuses aren't people, but that is the exactly the sort of dehumanization I strive to oppose.

We probably could, over time, scientifically measure empathic response in people and find it diminished by things like how many murders and wars they have been involved in, but it is not such a simple knee jerk answer that the left typically likes to retreat to, and I don't like letting them frame such a broad reaching argument as 'how many people we should be killing' in such narrow terms as where a fetus is on a chart.

In the end fetuses, blacks, transgenders, leftists, jews, and redditors are all clumps of cells too, it is where we draw the line in allowing others their humanity which seems to be the actual argument of importance, not neonatal development quibbles.

>>3878611
>, probably since the developers in this instance actually didn't want to come off as pushy unlike Avowed's, which I didn't think you had played.

I've finished CP2077 and played into act 3 of Avowed.
I don't think communities of leftists generally consider themselves pushy or not as they lack self awareness and spend a lot of time in echo chambers. I certainly did when I was one. Where they make assumptions like "the right doesn't actually play these games" lol. Kind of silly statement to make in the first place given the youtube greviance industry of let's play and dunk on leftists since Gamergate, but maybe you think that works on 4chan.

More probably CP2077 had a lot less leftists than Avowed though, or less zealous ones.

Interesting question though to consider how self aware of pushiness they are, both on the religious right and the cult left they think "we're just helping people" a lot of the time. That's how you ended up with piles of leftist corpses in Jonestown, they were just helping each other defending their maximally diverse commune so the fascists didn't get them.

>>3878509
>it's like having a restaurant inside of a mall
Nope, the proprietor is explicitly the brothel owner/mistress, and the Salty Mast is described primarily as a brothel. I trust you can read what you linked for yourself.

>some roastie regretting killing his own kid has to shit up a thread about some woke slop failure of a game
God damn..

>>3878613
>I haven't addressed this myself yet but I'll tell you an easier way that most never bring up.
>It's when the mother (and father) know they killed their future child.
Oh, so you answer with deflection instead.
What if the parents never even think of an abortion like that. What if they, unliek you, realize that just a fertalized egg isn't a life.
>It's a hit to her ability to be empathic going into the future.
Fallacy and factually incorrect. If someone uses abortion but then spends every living moment of their life taking care of sick, unfortunate, homeless, etc. people and spends almost all of their money in this pursuit using your failed logic you would be more empathetic and pro life because you sit there on your high horse screaming at people not to be allowed to use abortion for any reason ever.

You can't even define "life" or answer simple questions, instead you ramble on with walls of deflection and fallacies. In fact you keep proving you do not care about life at all.

>People are not objective machines to be measured by science
Yes they are. Humans are animals. Biological machines. Like bugs.

Now try answering the very simple questions again, without walls of deflection and logical fallacies.
>when exactly does a sperm become a "life" and back it up with science
Is a sperm a "life"/child? Is it a life when it wiggles into the egg? A millisecond after entering the egg? When and why?

Even a 5 year old can answer a simple question, why can't you? Here's why you're mentally immature, close-minded and brainwashed by your religious probably american upbringing.

>>3880739
It took you 4 days to come up with this misspelled angry gibberish.
>stfu religious bigot!
I'm an atheist, and as I said, this conversation is a larger one than the tired lefty tactic of "where does life begin" pigeonholed framing.

Doesn't even matter for leftists, as they don't actually respect human lives in the first place. Case in point these Josef Mengele like quotes from anon on this board:
>Yes they are. Humans are animals. Biological machines. Like bugs.

You don't debate life with the lifeless. You don't share thoughts with the thoughtless, you dismiss them from making decisions that affect others is what you do.

>>3870884
This is what the "cultural hegemony" of the left looks like. It is a consequence of "the long march through the institutions" (see Rudi Dutschke's speech on yt), and more recently, the blitzkrieg through the gaming industry, as exposed by gamer gate.