Must not be forgotten. Oh Xillia 1 remaster out just recently by the way
>>3873080Guess it's okay that they're making these available, but still pretty low priority releases, right? Is Xillia even a good one?
>>3873111i found xillia's gameplay the most fun out of modern (lol) tales games but the story was vomit inducingly bad
>>3873080Personally i don´t care about Xillia but Berseria was good and even Arise was ok. True enough it didn´t go that in depth for the side characters and the antagonists as say, Abyss did, but combat and art design were pretty good and i was honestly relieved that even though the series "modernized" it didn´t over saturate the world with meaningless quests WRPG style. I´m also pleased that it choose to go with big well designed areas rather than with an open world though i do miss the overworld. I hope we get a new game rather than more remasters though.
>>3873080Bros I don't think bamco is going to fix the bugs the Xillia remasster has...
>>3873187Doubt, they fixed the ones in Symphonia, and Xillia is a much better port
>>3873111>Is Xillia even a good one?The common 4chan opinion is that it's shit and Xillia 2 is better.I finished the PS3 version of Xillia 1 a few weeks ago and I like it, and with how poor my experience was the remaster has been a solid upgrade for me.The game itself is generic, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It's pretty linear and there isn't a whole lot of exploration in it. If you don't get invested in the story, the characters and their interactions you're not going to like it much I think.
>>3873080Sex with vatican shota and mage girl.
>>3873187What bug ?
>>3873412Skits take 10x as long to load if the game runs higher at 30fps, some controller stick issues, as well as some general animation jank and crashes when played at anything higher than 30fps
This is a 16 years old
>Get to the final dungeon of Xillia >Go back to clean up sidequests >Only now find out that you get the Artes Sphere from the Feather collector guy after you give him 100 feathers >>3873451She fucked a 7 year old
>Lloyd - 2 dads>Luke - 1 dads>Yuri - 0 dadsYou'll notice that as time went on and the quality of the games dropped, the number of the protagonist's dads decreased too. Coincidence? I don't think so.
>food effect ran out>party member complaining about being hungry every 2 minutes>run not in direction towards the next story goal>party member thinking they're lost a minute every 2 minuteswas it always like this in the PS3 version
a new survey for tales of xillia remasteredhttps://x.com/BandaiNamcoSEA/status/1988849363599389108https://survey.bandainamcoent.co.jp/jfe/form/SV_eqtTVQCtFyAAJdc
>>3873646I'm playing through xillia 1 on the ps triple right in this moment and I don't know what you are talking about
>>3873685Do you still get "hungry" auto dialogue when roaming around without any food?Like at first it wasn't that bad but 20 hours in and Milla kept saying she's hungry like every 5 minutes without food effect active. The frequency of them saying it is weird, almost like a bug.
>>3873686>Do you still get "hungry" auto dialogue when roaming around without any food?I'm playing as Jude and no, aside from that cutscene early in the game there's nothing like that and I was using Milla latelybut even then, why wouldn't you use food if aside from story you are just fighting 90% of the time, I'm at around 25-30 hours atmmaybe it's a bug indeed
>>3873690>but even then, why wouldn't you use food if aside from story you are just fighting 90% of the time,It happened mostly at towns, when I was running around doing sidequestsYea it's possible it's a weird bug in the remaster
>>3873080I'm not touching this shit until X2 remastered comes out and it's bundled on a steep discount.
>>3873663My only $0.02 is that they should've bundled X2 with it. Fuck off, scamco shill.
Xillia 1 is... OK... I don't like Mila that much, Jude is ok, Alvin is ok, Elize is sexo, Leia is adorable, Rowen is ok, Gaius is cool, Musse is... mehXillia 2 is where it's at, Ludger, Elle, Julius were all amazing, I liked the dialogue choice system (as retarded as it was), and I liked being able to cycle through weapons with Ludger was amazingAlso kinda liked the fact you could "bond" with the girlsand Jude for some reason it added a bit of something special
>>3873686>Do you still get "hungry" auto dialogue when roaming around without any food?>Like at first it wasn't that bad but 20 hours in and Milla kept saying she's hungry like every 5 minutes without food effect active. The frequency of them saying it is weird, almost like a bug.NTA, but I never used foods in my run through X1 PS3 and I never had my party complain about being hungry.They did complain quite often about not using them in battle though.>I guess no one wants an old geezer channeling spirit artes for them...>Hey, let me fight already! I'm going to lose my edge here!>Why won't you let me fight? Very well, if that is your decision, so be it.
Finally beat Graces L&L. I really don't get the hype. I enjoyed the main game more, Yeah you get accel mode but the enemies become so annoying to fight that it's mostly pointless other than Cheria's time freeze and getting CC/speeding up spells. On that note, fuck the enemies in this part of the game. Too many bullshit status effects, shit like the raptors that put an effect that stop you from attacking entirely is just anti-fun obnoxious game design. Little Queen fights were mostly a chore and Fodra Queen was an awful final boss. Not fun to fight in the slightest. Also hate overall in the combat in this game how good Eleth burst is for both sides, it's like you're only allowed to have fun while it's active and when the enemy has it active you can't do shit. Narrative was okay, but felt like only Sophie really had any significance. Also the Pascal not taking a bath thing became her entire character which came across as a dev's weird fetish and the Asbel/Cheria romance didn't get proper closure, just a "teehee I'll be back Asbel when I'm ready to settle down" and jump to Sophie with their great grandchild or whatever the fuck.Overall I'd give the game a 7/10.
>>3874008Is enemy overlimit ever a good time to attack them? Pretty sure it's "run the fuck away" in every game.
>>3874008Being able to carry accel mode and narikiri dolls over to ng+ makes it worth it at least
Okay, it happened super often in Chang du, but now I got past of it it gets reduced significantly. Still happens more that I expected though>>3873880>They did complain quite often about not using them in battle though.Yeah, that happened to me multiple times too, but I think the hungry dialogue happened more often>>3874008>Narrative was okay, but felt like only Sophie really had any significance.Because in the main story they put her in the sideline even though technically she was the center of the story and the main female character. It's overcompensating I guess, though I think she still deserves to be the center of story again which is why I liked the future arc.>Also the Pascal not taking a bath thing became her entire character which came across as a dev's weird fetishin the future arc Pascal's character and also her relationship with lil bro is probably also my least favorite part of it. I thought it's just kind of pointless.>the Asbel/Cheria romance didn't get proper closure, just a "teehee I'll be back Asbel when I'm ready to settle down" and jump to Sophie with their great grandchild or whatever the fuck.I understand people disliking it but I still thought it's better than nothing.
Your fault for skipping credits and being an ADHD. Cheria went back to Llhant to live with Asbel and Sophie in the same house.
>>3873080Anal
>>3874008>Finally beat Graces L&LDude, I warmed it up, fought a few palette swaps, then triggered a twenty minute infodump about the origins of Asbel's mum. At this point I realized that the fans of this content are not like me, and I moved the fuck on. Maingame was fine
>>3873451That's my wife you're talking about
>>3873597>Luke - 1 dads Duke Fabre and Jade
>what if we took beat ‘em up and platform fighter mechanics and put them into an RPG with co-opThat should absolutely print money. What’s holding the series or this combat system back from being way more popular? The production values? Lack of modern anime game flair like impact frames on crits/Mystics/final killcams?
>>3874426Back in the day Scamco made like every fucking mistake possible when managing the series outside of Japan to the point where it never majorly caught on, Games going unlocalized, coming out years later after the fact, constant jumping between platforms, only localizing the worst versions like GBA Phantasia or 360 Vesperia, Baba said in an interview with Kotaku back when it was one of the biggest vidya news sites that the Tales series was like JRPG fast food which everyone just took to mean that its slop.Nowadays just about every RPG has some sort of psuedo real time battle system so the novelty of Tales which was doing it from the start is no longer there
>>3874455Yeah, but most of those real-time combat systems are just trying to ape Souls or DMC in particular. Tales in particular was drawing from older sources, like Streets of Rage and Street Fighter, and adding party mechanics on top of that. I think a new game could benefit from overhauling the party and enemy AI to be on the same level of Ninja Gaiden or FEAR, so that you’re heavily incentivized to fight as a team either with AI or in Co-op. Create enemy encounters where it’s a bunch of guys with spears and shields in a Testudo formation, or specifically design hostile mages and ranger to lay down suppressing fire with projectile weapons and spells like Ice Needles.
>>3874422You can add Van to that.
>>3874455Not releasing PS2 Symphonia or PS3 Vesperia in the west was fucking retarded .
>>3874455also took them way too long to "remaster" the PS3 games (which are already HD)Scamco's plan for Tales was always making a gacha with it. Which has failed numerous times.
>>3874526Nintendo owned the localization for English, so they would have had to relocalize it
>>3874455>Jrpg fast foodThat's exactly what it is lmao. At least he admitted it
>>3874426Only four games have a properly working co-op multiplayer. And of those Symphonia doesn't have freerun or a good camera for some reason. And then starting with Xillia Bamco started implementing mechanics that don't work with more than two players until they removed multiplayer altogether.
>>3874455>Baba said in an interview with Kotaku back when it was one of the biggest vidya news sites that the Tales series was like JRPG fast foodTHAT'S why this has been the main thing parroted about the series for fucking decades? Jesus
All wrong, it was Jason Schreier that came up with this garbage fast food term. The person who thinks Trails and Ni No Kuni are masterpieces in writing, btw.
>>3874455so not only fucking up Zesteria, Baba fucked up the image of the entire series by calling it "fast food".No idea if he is worse than Tabata at this point
>>3876066Read the post above your posthttps://kotaku.com/tales-rpgs-are-like-gumdrops-says-the-guy-who-makes-th-470869380He almost literally Forrest Gump'd the Tales series, the Kotaku writer is the one who called it fast food.
Tales being the fast food of the genre instead of Atelier or Falcom games is wrong.
>>3876095Falcom games are quality, at least the Ys games and their other action RPG's are, I haven't played Trails. Atelier however is even more fastfood than Tales. Almost literally, because they recycle so many assets between games.
>>3876257Leia's is pretty nice
>>3876067>Kotaku: Tales is fast food>Baba: No, Tales is like a gumdrop. They look similar from the outside but when you remove the wrapping, you can see their unique quirks
now that Rebirth & Destiny DC are translated i'm obligated to put Destiny 2, Hearts DS, & NDX on the pedestal as the real Tales kino, too good for the unwashed english-only masses
>>3876614I hate to say it but Destiny DC, Destiny 2, Hearts DS (and R), and NDX are among my favorite Tales. I promise I won't change my tune when everyone can play them.
Xillia bosses are less fun than even Arise bosses. At least Arise is upfront and honest that you can't combo them.
>>3876641You can combo Xillia's bosses, you just need to know how to react when they inevitably tech out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQEAATXshjElmao, Bamco is so clueless
>>3876908Lmfao tales of cluelessnessTake a hint bamco you fucking retards
>>3876908Xillia 2 Remaster when?
>>3876908God I hate Bandai Namco.
>>3876908Classic scamco, what a trash anniversary project
>>3876908I honestly struggle to see the difference.
>>3876921It's just going to be updated graphically, grade shop opened, and actually available in Japanese for the first time on steam (plus ported to modern consoles). I suspect the fact that it wasn't available in Japanese is the main reason for it, and then they decided to just double dip and "upgrade" the game for the rest of the world while they were at it.
Tales of Zesitiria Remastered confirmed ;)
>>3876924Say it ain't so...
>>3876926>remaster every non vesperia and zesitiria ps3 era game>vesperia was already remade for modern systems
>>3876929Worst day to be a tales fan
>>3876929why remaster that trashfire known as Zesteria?
>>3876908I’m gonna fucking lose it man I swear to god
>>3876923more like they want the switch players
>>3876930Have some faith in Bamco to make it even worse.Tbh at this point Tales games aside from maybe Xillia 2 fall into three categories:>Already got a remaster (Vesperia, Grace's f)>Doesn't really need one (Zestiria onwards)>Needs a full-on remake rather than a low-effort remaster (Literally everything else)Expecting anything from this remaster project is stupid, because Bamco will fuck it to one way or another.
>>3876931They're proud enough to keep Arise in their catalog so why not lol
>>3876941None of them need remasters.
Well im getting zestiria remaster in swith the next year likely
>>3876943Look, if they decide to re-release Abyss or whatever, I'd expect them to do more than just upscale a few textures and call it a day. And Legendia definitely needs a remake.
>>3876945It really doesn't. I don't understand this obsession with going back and trying to "fix" games that had shit wrong with them. Like, in your head you're visualizing the exact same game with just the parts you didn't like improved, but you have to understand by this point that that is never how remakes work. They're built from the ground up, which means they're going to make new mistakes. They're going to change shit. You're going to be let down because it's not going to match what's in your head. Just let the damn games be the way they were and make new games.
>>3876945they did nothing with symphonia aka the most popular onedont expect anything
>>3876908>Berseria remasteredWhat a fucking waste.So, the leaks said they were working on Xillia 2 and at least 2 remasters, right?To me the full lineup might just be X2, Abyss, Berseria and Zestiria?
>>3876949anon xillia 2 its alredy confirmed by famitsu
>>3876950That's what he said, ESL-kun
I just wanted a proper native pc version of abyss
>>3876950What part of "they were working on Xillia 2" did you not understand?
>>3876954>leaksthe part were you are mentally ill
>>3876955>can't read>get called out>get mad at the guy who said that you didn't read rather than yourself
>>3876956stop posting about yourself
>>3876953The only mentally ill retard are you.Information from a Famitsu magazine was leaked before it came out to the public properly, which is why we know about Xillia 2 and the few other projects in progress.We've been talking about this in the past few threads, you retarded motherfucker.https://ryokutya2089.com/archives/92001
>>3876946And yet Hearts R and newer Phantasia games are recommended instead of the original versions. Radiant Historia may have fucked up some character designs, but otherwise the remake seems to improve quite a lot. Both Devil Survivor remakes also did some good stuff. The current DQ1-3 remakes are also nice. No, remakes can work if done properly. Fixing a bunch of flaws and adding some QoL improvements really isn't that controversial. It's only when devs think they need to actually change the art or replace entire systems it gets hairy. But a lot of those examples are also just outsourced remakes for easy money (Advance Wars for example).
my fuarking game
>>3876960Hearts R removes content (side quests, side stories, 2 entire dungeons), changes some cutscenes significantly, and changes some dialogue. It's not all positive.Phantasia adds a fanfiction character to both Phantasia and NariDun, NariDun's structure and story are extremely altered. The JP game catalog actually lists Phantasia X as a downgrade from Phantasia PS1 (I don't agree with this, but obviously some people do)Radiant Historia's story additions (the new ending) are fucking reviled, even moreso than the art. It's also not a remake.DeSu overclocked and record breaker aren't remakes.I haven't gotten to the DQ remakes yet.
>>3876967NTA, but Phantasia's PS1 remake is still solid all around.Like they said, remakes can be good and sometimes they just are.You have to accept that.
>>3876908Oh shit! That's awesome!PS3 is hard to emulate and I had some issues with the PC version so this is greatI think it's good they're skipping Zestiria, that game deserves to be forgotten
>>3876931There isn't a good reason to explain or justify it, just like there isn't one for remastering Berseria this soon, but if they're doing it anyway it's clear that Zesty could easily follow suit.
>>3876632>I hate to say itWhy? 2D tales era was peak tales
>>3876973Because it's a heck of a coincidence.
>>3876972no switch not steam jp nor xboxbut hey no reason
>>3876949>at least 2 remastersOne of them was probably Berseria.So congratulations on the impending Zestiria remaster. And that's it for the year. Also Xillia 2 I guess.
they are making berseria first to make a sequel to zestiria
>>3876949PS2 remasters never ever AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>3876978No good reason, yes.At this point it made far more sense to wait for the next PlayStation console (and optionally Xbox I guess?) AND THEN do a remaster desu.>>3876981I still want to believe in Abyss because of muh January 2025 trademark...
> オリジナル版のDLCが多数収録されています。> ※ただし一部コンテンツを除きます。収録コンテンツ一覧はこちらをご覧ください。>“Many of the original version’s DLCs are included.>※ However, some content is excluded. Please see here for the list of included content.”>本製品は一部内容において、オリジナル海外版「テイルズ オブ ベルセリア」の表現が用いられており、オリジナル日本版「テイルズ オブ ベルセリア」と一部仕様が異なります。>“In some parts the expressions from the original overseas version of Tales of Berseria are used, and certain specifications differ from the original Japanese version of Tales of Berseria.”Picrel.https://scarlet.tales-ch.jp/remastered/
>>3876993 (Me)This is like a reverse on Xillia's situation.Xillia had Agria's middle finger uncensored in Japan, censored everywhere else, and the remaster uncensored it for everyone.Now Berseria was uncensored in Japan, censored in the west, and the remaster CENSORED it for everyone.Very funny.
>>3876994Mods will restore it
Still waiting Tales of Destiny remaster
>>3876997Destiny 2*
>>3876997>>3877000don't ask for remasters of 2D games, they wouldn't turn out well. they'd inevitably have some atrocious smudgy AI upscale filter on the sprites that would look worse than just emulating the originals. bamco stick to 3D remasters because they're easier to get right (and yet they still find ways to fuck up)
>>3876941Abyss doesn't need "a full-on remake"
>>3876944Tales of Zestiria would unironically be better than this dogshit because ATLEAST it would run on 60fps without mods.
>No upgrade for PC or Piss4 versionsLmao fucking jews, i'd say i hope this shit crashes and burns but honestly i bet it could sell like 4 digits numbers and still be profitable with how little effort this has
>>3877044both are from ps3 anon
>>3876960>newer Phantasia games are recommended instead of the original versionsRondoline is a shit character
LMFAO
>>3877101>BAMCO
>>3877090Explain why? Appearance wise she's the hottest Tales girl and makes we want to play Phantasia X so bad.
>>3877122Fagbottle loves taking their sweet ass time releasing X
which one of you used to be around jrpggen 11 years ago?this thread's vibes reminded me a bit of it
>>3877132I was and remember how Tales of Hearts being localized caused a guy to get some bots to spam the thread with bullshit and spoilers until that general died
>>3877132I still have my text file keeping track of the JRPGs I played while jrpgg was alive. And I have the log files from the irc channel that was started to hide from the spam bullshit
>>3877134>>3877142the world is kind of fucked right now but it makes me feel really good it means the people who fucked that gen up are probably in the ditch rn
>>3877033yeah it got a 3ds port it's good for the next 2 decades
>>3876908why are they remastering a modern game????I genuinely don't understand thiswho would buy it
>>3876960>And yet Hearts R and newer Phantasia games are recommended instead of the original versions.people recommend Hearts R because it's available in english and because they have shit taste. it's strictly worse than Hearts DS
Started Vesperia (for the third time). I'm this >>3874008 anon btwFucking hell this game just feels so fucking slow, clunky and boring. Wow, I can run up and slash 3 times and hit my ranged arte. So fun. And even the concept of being this rogue (?) vigilante (?) who everyone has ran away from and would rather rely on other people (Flynn) just feels shit. I can understand getting into this if it's 2007 and it's the latest game I bought on my Xbox 360 but not in modern year
>>3877184If you don't like it, there's no reason for you to play it. Starting a game you don't like for the third time is just you being a retard. It has nothing to do with the game
>>3877188You're salty, so what do you like about this game? From what I've said you can clearly glean I haven't played far into it. The look of the characters doesn't appeal to me. Yea I know there's technical bullshit like "manual cancelling" but when the gameplay is this sluggish and shit from the get-go what's the point
>>3877181and how do you know this? you dont speak jap, dont say shit
>>3877189>you're so saltylmao look it a mirror retard.
>>3877191Just say what you like about the game why be weird and evasive
>>3877192hey man not him but you are mostly right. vesperia is a game for its time, i played it back in 08 on the 360, nowadays what holds me through playthroughs is nostalgiaI like the gameplay too, but its something that you need to persevere to get thru and unlock everythingso if its not clicking i wouldnt push too far, feel what youre feeling, and if it doesnt improve then drop for something else
>>3877193It's certainly not the type of game I feel obliged to play because it will lead to something great. It gives off a feeling of just being okay and the people who dedicated hundreds of hours to it love it
>>3877195imma be very real with you my dudeyour time is incredibly short and precious and you shouldnt be wasting it with vesperiahonestly no jrpg should take any of your time right now, but thats a whole other subject
>>3877197Yet you're typing here, to me?
>>3877199well, what do you think? ;)
>>3877190NTA I did play both and the story feels gutted in the R version. Just off the top of my head I can think of Ines' arc and the desert arc being reduced to the bare minimum. Like in R's desert dungeon, you just walk a couple screens as Shing and everyone is back together. I can understand most people thought going through the same dungeon 3 times with fixed parties was annoying, but they could have at least shown a cinematic between screens of the others being lost. It feels like they didn't struggle at all to find each other.
>>3877197Why? Vesperia is one of the very best Tales. It's tied with Destiny R for my favorite Tales. And it's not nostalgia, I played it for the first time a couple years back. Better use of your time than doing drugs or shitposting anonymously.
you guys ever tried emulating vesperia on citron on a phone? it works remarkably well
>>3877205Vita has 4 playable characters in battles + playable Chalcedony and Gall (that is also very fun despite being boring as a character), much better combat, no shitty crafting/getting raw material to improve Soma, overworld doesn't unlock much later like DS.You guys are only defending DS because it's untranslated and you're retarded weeaboos.
>>3877207What turnip driver do you use?
>>3873451She fucks a clone lol
>>3877184Yes, older Tales games only let you do a base combo and a few artes. You're supposed to be vulnerable frequently. That's kinda the point of it.
>>3877195if you don't feel obligated to play it why the fuck would you try and play it for a third fucking time after you've already found out you don't like it? That's Schizo behavior
>>3877122>Appearance wise she's the hottest Tales girlYeah... no
>>3877267yeah, come on. Norma is right there
>>3876944Zestiria remake with focus on actual best girl this time please....
Just turned on my internet and WHAT THE FUCK ???? Unless they do a graphics update this is just useless. Also why not Zestiria first ?
SCAMCOCAMCO
>>3877294Cuz nobody give a shit about zestiria lmao.
>literally almost every Tales gameAbyss is the worst case because the prtosgonists are fighting on the side of religion faggotry
>>3877319I do. A remaster of Zestiria with all the qols and fixed battle arena so the camera wont go nuts in tight places would be something I'd pay for. It was hell playing this with friends thanks to that camera, but we had fun.
>>3877323Wrong, the protagonists' side is also leaning against the score. It's just that Van's solution is way too extreme for them and that they believe you can just ignore the score out of existence. Mohs is pretty much the only one fighting for the score.
>>3877323That's litterally every jrpg ever. Japan struggled for years with changes of values and young vs old gens, that's litterally what every jrpg is about. Big estabilished power vs naive freedom youngstersWestern religion bad against traditional cultureSometimes you have some gimmick but it's basically the squidward meme.
>>3877323>i have poor reading comprehension and blame it on the game
>>3877323>prtosgonists are fighting on the side of religionThat why they fight against Mohs, Anise wants to reform the Order entirely and they abolish the Score worldwide
>>3877282> actual best girlAlisha?
>Abyssnogs pretending they have more than 2 briancells againYawn
>>3877225>much better combatI disagree. The animations in the Vita games have an awkward floaty feel to them, never felt right to me. Switching from DS's stamina bar to the AC/TP system from Xillia was a slight downgrade. Removing combination artes and the cameo assists fucking sucks. I don't think the 4th party slot is a meaningful addition and I don't care for Chalcedony or Gall. Guard counters are a good addition but I don't think they make up for everything else.
>>3877396Maltran
>>3877294>QoL improvementsI hope they have mystic artes from the start in NG+
>>3877486They're all listed https://scarlet.tales-ch.jp/remastered/and pretty much the same like Xillia and Graces
>>3877488it's not mentioned>we still get the stupid censored prologue bullshit
>>3877396
>>3877440I'm going to play devil's advocate even though I love both versions. The blast system is a big red mark on DS. It makes aerial artes so much better than ground artes that they're nearly useless in comparison, and it also makes the game easier if you just have your party do literally nothing.I'll explain for the people who haven't played it: Hearts has a hidden gauge for enemies called the Blast Gauge which increases whenever you hit them (simplifying it a little, there are some actions that actually decrease the gauge) and when it hits 100, enemies gain a few seconds of invulnerability, breaking out of your combo. The caveat to this is that while the character that deals damage to the enemy is airborne, the Blast won't occur. So let's say you're comboing an enemy in the air, but Beryl hits the enemy with a spell. That enemy will immediately go Blast and break out of your combo since she's obviously on the ground while casting. Bosses that have an ironstance counter are absolutely brutal if you don't pay attention to this. Also, none of this is explained in game, it's only in the strategy guide.Also combination artes are basically a novelty, they're not actually useful.
>>3877142man you people are legendscant believe youre still alive
>>3877547Totally forgot about her. She definitely deserved more screentime.
>>3877488I know they're trying to appeal to normalfag casuals but it's so stupid they make the grade shop available on the first playthrough. Tales games used to have the best NG+ because that was the whole incentive.
Kind of funny how we have to wait months for Xillia 1 and Xillia 2 announcements and they just randomly dropped Berseria remaster trailer.
>>3877188>>If you don't like it, there's no reason for you to play it.>You're saltyThat's not how english works ESL-kun, or humans for that matter.That Anon gave you solid advice.Given your response, you're the one who seems to be salty for w/e reason.>inb4Don't bother asking me about Vesperia, I haven't played it yet.I won't care about it until I decide to play it either.
>>3877294>Also why not Zestiria first ?Coming right after Berseria's and before Xillia 2's.They're doing Berseria first because it comes before Zestiria chronologically and because the Zesty remaster will address the poorly structured and executed story.Trust the plan.
>>3877643The real answer is more boring. They handed out all these projects to different studios and they're just releasing them as soon as they're ready with no regard to ordering.
>>3877643Brat sexo.Navel fuck sexo.
>>3877641The Xillias required actual work.They were PS3 games whose codebase was most likely not meant to produce builds for other systems originally.Berseria's remaster on the other hand is barely a remaster and more like an enhanced rerelease.It's a button push to make PS and PC builds with like 2 or 3 features that take a few hours to code at most when you have access to the source and that should have been nothing but an update patch for the og release (with the Switch Version being the new full release they needed to do).The Switch build is the only thing that probably took some semblance of effort, and I'd wager that's what took most of the dev time too.This feels so poorly put together that it couldn't have been in dev for more than 2 years at most or something like that, potentially less.Just thinking about this piece of shit of a remaster makes my blood boil.
>>3877490shouldnt mention it in the first place. Dumb bamco retards
>>3873080This is a series I always wanted to get into, but I only ended up playing two of them. Symphonia, which I loved, and Legendia, which I very much did not love. I remember people raving about Tales from the Abyss, though.
>>3877732legendia was sort of a filler game made by a different namco team outside of the main tales devs. it's one of the worst in the series but it has its own charm.>>3877736alphen looks so stupid and out of place next to inomata and fujishima characters
hearts ds is better because hearts r doesn't have best girl
>>3877751He'd fit more with his first proper outfit or whatever the fuck that last one he has. Never finished that NotTales game anyway.
Why.How.https://legendsoflocalization.com/articles/tales-of-berseria/
>>3877773https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw3tIMZ2ilc
>>3877770This one?
>>3877736velvet sexothey should remaster her breast size to match the fan art too
>>3877486>I hope they have mystic artes from the start in NG+Does bamco ever have surveys or feedback to suggest this in as part of the grade shop?
>>3877783>reading comprehension
>>3877752Keep liking evil women.
>>3873080The updated narikiri x english patch is finally out
>>3878041it is notsuch a strange thing to go out of your way to lie about
>>3878036Does Magilou counts as evil here?
>3878041Unbased, and impressively retarded.https://github.com/lifebottle/Narikiri-Dungeon-X/releases/latesthttps://www.lifebottle.org/#/
>fell for it again award
>graces f remastered is on ps4 and switch 1>xillia remastered not on ps4 but is on switch 1 but also 2why???? whats the point of not having a ps4 version
>>3878403If you have to ask, 'why?' the answer is always because they hate money.
>>3878120Eh... she is not a good person but she is not "evil" she is more like a lazy cunt.
>>3878403If you have a ps4 there is a good chance you also had a 3. If you are interested in xilla remaster there is a good chance you played the orignal. If you played the original you would not buy a censored sloppa remaster so why bother.
>>3877774Sexo with laphi.
>>3877547Wish Alisha armatized with her
>>3878410The original is the censored version.
>>3878505imagine how much better zestiria would have been if they did this instead of sidelining her
I never understood why people complained so much about Alisha when Zestiria has much larger problems baked into the core of its gameplay. She's a b-team filler character and she would not have saved the game from being bad.
>>3878579Her design is very cute. I played Zesty this year and enjoying it a lot more than I expected. But even though Rose is the more amusing (and infuriating) character, Alisha is way cuter and has a simple and nice personality and development.
>>3877294Zestiria failed to get the fujo crowd so they ignore it
>>3873080is Graces F good? Because I hated it and want to know if I should try others that are better
>>3878642What did you hate about it?
>>3878644Thought the characters were kinda boring and childish, wasn't a fan of the pacing of the plot, wasn't huge on the combat
finally completed xillia 1, as a pc only tales fan its so insane that these games are coming out on pc, now im just waiting for xillia 2, hearts r and innocence r and i think that's all games that were trapped in graveyard consoles
>>3878642It is considered very good but primarily for the combat and mechanics, but the story is just Richard flying around sucking giant cocks off the ground while the plot abandons its own attempt at geopolitical drama in 20 minutes and even though I'm the sort of person that loves skits and the way you get to learn about the party they all feel very clear cut in interactions with one another and it's not even really that entertaining in that regard.Berseria, Vesperia and Symphonia are all fairly universally recommended for various reasons (though each has their own pet peeve issues and you might bounce off) and if you can emulate you can try Abyss.
>>3878633Berseria is the prequel of Zestiria so they do Berseria first
>beat the boat dungeon>milla croaked>timeskip>suddenly like 10 plot points dumped in a fucking flashback and expositionsholy shit, I remember Xillia's story being cut off here and there but this is way worse than I thought
>>3878642Graces F is excellent, but do yourself a favor and skip all the cutscenes and skits
>>3878403It's time to let the PS4 rest
>>3874455360 vesperia is the best version of the game. The game is better without patty
>>3878733What asshat suggestion is this? At this point why the fuck are you even playing it?
>>3878701>holy shit, I remember Xillia's story being cut off here and there but this is way worse than I thoughtYeah, I agree. That chunk is easily the part I had the most problems with desu.It feels so weirdly executed with constant jumps back and forward.It feels like something they thought about adding to fill in blanks after having produced the story, going over it and realizing that some parts just didn't make sense as they made it or something.
I know Sodia shanking Yuri was meant to show the cyclical nature of Yuri's vigilantism, but her immediately regretting it undercuts it a lot. It would've been more effective if she started trying to clean house on corruption for Flynn's sake and started getting rather subjective and personally-motivated with her targets. Be an actual dark mirror, you know?
>>3878565>>3878505if alisha was killing sorey just to share resonance, there's no way in hell she'd be able to armatize with symonne without it being retarded
>>3878927>complains about having an inherited position she didn't work for>relegated because despite trying she doesn't have innate talent
>>3878925To me all those felt more like cut content, like they run out of time and money and be like >fuck let's just make sure the game has a start and end, just cut off a chunk of the midgameMuzet's betrayal is probably the worst plot point that's told from an exposition/flashback, normally it would be something that you will experience first hand
>>3878843Grace's story and characters are atrocious, but it's a great game. Story isn't everything in a JRPG.
>>3878955it may not be everything but it is unfortunately the most important part for me. If it were an action game things might be different but semi-action mechanics are never enough to justify playing an 80 hour game
Tales of Innocence R and Hearts R are proof that Tales of games that are remade are better than remasters.
>>3878955Story and characters sure is a huge part of a JRPG though
>>3878808Bullshit she's a fine addition and fun to play as.
>>3878926>expecting good writing from Tales after the writer for Symphonia + Abyss left (to work on Rays)
>>3878843>>3878965They are action games. Tales of games might be the only action-jrpgs that are actually primarily worthwhile for their gameplay. The shounen anime adventure adds some context and flavor for the combat but IMO none of the games have worthwhile stories. You should think of them more like Devil May Cry games, you're here for the gameplay and if the stupid story has a good moment it's just a bonus.
>>3879105how about instead i just play Devil May Cry which has better action and story
>>3878965read a book? Dipshit
>>3879114If that how you feel then that's fine, the series just isn't for you. Personally I like the variety of playable characters, the different gimmick mechanics in each game, the combination of traditional familiar aspects with one-off new aspects. Playing as Tytree in Rebirth or Sophie in Graces or Jude in Xillia are all very different experiences but they all still distinctly feel like Tales.
>>3877736>30th anniversary illustration>no Cress Albane - it's literally HIS anniversary?????????????????
>>3879114I should have been the one to fill your dark soul with LIIIIIIGHT
>>3879215peak dialogue
is the tales of phantasia psp english translation coming soon, i have the game on my backlog but idk if I want to play ps1 or wait for the psp version
>>3879241Just wait for the psp translation from fagbottle
>>3879241Probably soon, yeahhttps://x.com/LifeBottleProd/status/1970531324986576919
>>3879253That's a funny way of saying godbottle
>>3879260Eat shit cocksucker. The translations are appreciated but fagbottle are just a bunch of reddit niggerfaggots.
>>3879092She's fun to play as yes. But I didn't appreciate how giving attention to her took the focus off the original cast alot of the time. I love the original cast.Plus I didn't like how they added Flynn to the party either. He was better as an npc.Also they should have either redubbed the game or not bothered to dub the additional scenes. The weird Frankenstein shit they did with the dub where they switch voice actors like 4 or 5 times in one scene sometimes is awful. And it shits all over the originals dub which was very high effort.
>>3878926He became the very monster he was trying to fight "the abyss stares back" blah blah blah
>>3878926not really. Sodia has from the beginning been on the "by the rules, follow the system" side of things - that's one of her defining personality traits. Of course she would regret it, it'd be retarded if she didn't. She is essentially a victim, who has been forced to hurt herself due to the how far Yuri had pushed things.
Is it just me or it's weird that the game had this whole >every human and spirit life matters, we'll save Elympios too!BEFORE going to Elympios?
>>3879301do you only care about people you've personally met? That's kinda fucked up anon
>>3879304No, no, I get the idea of saving everyone. It's just, isn't it more narratively satisfying if we go there first and meet the people there? I mean when a Tales game have the "another world" gimmick (Eternia, Symphonia, Abyss sort of) we usually get there relatively early, maybe midway through the game.
>>3879308>another world gimmickGraces did this too but it was in the later part of the game
>>3879205yeah and luke is the only pre-merge character there, what's up with that
>>3879368The only thing that comes to mind is that it's an illustration for the remastered games project, which means Abyss is getting a remaster next. What I don't get is why the fuck UFOTABLE did the illustration
>>3879284People are not victims of their own choices. She made a mistake and did something bad. She's the perp not the victim.
>>3873080Legendia underrated
>>3879205Cless*
>>3879400Underrated a shit
>>3879086Innocence R does certain parts worse than the original such as the intro and QQ/Kongwai dont really bring anything to the core plot.
>>3879114If you think DMC and Tales are even remotely similar, you must have some serious brain damage. Or maybe you played an hour of Arise and base the entire series off of that.
>>3879241Wait for the PSP version. Not being interrupted during fights makes it a lot nicer to play and Rody isn't bad either.
>>3879520NTA but I'd never wish it upon my worst enemy to play Arise instead I'll have them play Legendia but at least the music is great
>>3879522Me neither, especially not on steam, cause that'd only give Bamco more money they don't deserve for it. I do want one of my best friends to share my suffering though. He has the game already anyway.
>>3879304I don't even care about most people I know
>>3879304I don't even care about my neighbors. Hell my parents hardly even care about my grown ass. Why should I waste any mental energy to worry about total strangers that have 0 bearing on my life? Fuck outta here with that moralfaggotry.
>>3879301I hate that they kept that stupid thing on Milla’s leg even after it was revealed she doesnt need it anymore
>Felt like playing Symphonia again after playing Xillia>Boot up NG+ >No cutscene skipping or fast forwarding through skits >Put it down after completing Martel templeI love this game but it sure feels like way more of a slog on repeat playthroughs
>>3879501I wonder if they had something bigger planned for the isekai characters in the Vita remakes
>>3877736Kek reminds me of the an hero meme
No random battles, tho
No Leia it's 2025 you can't say that>>3879309similar to Hearts the second world in Graces is pretty much a wasteland, so it's a bit different from the otherworlds that had civilization in it. Also the post game story is pretty much all about the other world anyway.
>>3879368Graces is spiritually pre-merge to me even if they were sharing staff by then. Xillia was the start of mixed fujishima/inomata casts.
>>3879906They were sharing staff even when there were "two teams", it was never like a hard split. Graces is comfortably pre-merge, as is Hearts.
>>3879520they're not similar at all, DMC is significantly more fun and compelling
>>3879379>why the fuck UFOTABLE did the illustrationWho do you expect would do the illustration?
>>3877736>Arise remake incomingwe're so backlet's goooooo
>>3879870I want to fertilize elize so much...
>>3878579>I never understood why people complained so much about Alisha when Zestiria has much larger problems baked into the core of its gameplayit's the strawnan defense made up by trolls so they don't have to argue about the actual problems.Other examples:"I didn't like MGS2" fans go "you only hate it because you aren't playing as Solid Snake""I didn't like the DMC reboot" and shills go "You just hate the fact he doesn't have white hair""Forspoken sucked" and shills go "YOU RACIST ASSHOLE"
Did they ever make anything in Symphonia's world dealing with back when Mithos and his crew were the heroes?
>>3880143No full baked video game. Closest thing we got were the extra stories in the Tales of Fandom visual novels on PS2, and those are just a couple of flashbacks that were also partially covered in the OVA.
>>3880234Fucking hell, the OVA was such dogshit
>>3879272How can we be on reddit when we are here, always have been. I don't suck cock tho thanks for asking. We have to finish the code for the skits subs and 11 events with Rody which is about 4% of the game text left. All the rest is done.
>>3880246>WeStop shitposting and get back to your sweatshop, niggerape. Your 'cord is festering with nothing but troons and fags.
>>3877142I feel warm and fuzzy inside after seeing that list.
>>3880250How would you know unless you are part of it. If you think we're not fast enough you're welcome to join and work your little bitch ass. Chop Chop where's your github username so that we can add you to the repo.
>>3880246>How can we be on reddit when we are here
>>3880255Kek absolutely malding for being called out. The truth hurts you, trannydev.
>>3880259Yes for sure man! I miss when the vrpg board had an actual list of what was worked on and what was released.
>>3880261In all seriousness, same. Can you send a message to clear up the Tales of Innocence R translation instructions? To use pkg2zip then to decrypt the folder. Grabbing files straight from vita3k doesn't decrypt the eboot.bin or whatever since the patcher didn't like it when I grabbed it like that. I talk shit but I appreciate what you dudes do.
>>3880264Yeah the cita3k dev decided to remove the decrypt directly in the program, now it does it in memory sadly. There's a tool that is included with the patch that decrypt the game. If you grab it (legaly) from nopaystation it's already a folder instead of a pkg. If you have a pkg you need the tool you just mentioned. I made a note on the release page of the latest patch.
>>3880269I'll save this post for future me. I pulled it off of myrient with all the DLC, used pkg2zip, the included decryptor (like you said), and then the patcher finally worked. I thought nopaystation only had .pkg and .bin files. >If you have a pkg you will need pkg2zip program and then to decrypt the folder with the provided decrypt.exeBased. Side note, I prepatched a tales of eternia psp rom with the battery indicator fix, battle fix, undub audio, and skits restored from a bunch of stray patches I found. Did you get a copy of it?
>>3880275If you use the software they have on their website you get folders. It's lot more practical to get your (legaly owned) games and DLC
>>3880275nta but can I get a copy please?
>>3880282Here you go, anon. The first link is the ROM and the second is the optional HD texture pack.https://www.mediafire.com/file/fl992dbwkukn7jh/Tales+of+Eternia.iso/filehttps://www.mediafire.com/file_premium/908ct2742nig444/EterniaPSP_HD_UI_Beta_01.7z/file
>>3880269>>3880279>muh legallmao
>>3880287thank you
>>3880275>>3880287warning/disclaimer: i downloaded this and tested it in ppsspp with a save file i already had. it crashed upon trying to load a skit.i don't know if it would have the same problem on a fresh save but there might be something wrong with it.
>>3880322I didn't have any issues with it so far with a new save
Luke bros, we're being called out...
>>3880458Luke is too old. laphi should wear something leaving his belly bare... ready for a tongue.
>>3880458>manluke is like 7 years old
My wife velvetu
>>3880138You've missed the mark. Instead of assuming malicious intent, assume ignorance - it's the common complaint that people who never touched the game use to rag on it. They can't talk about the gameplay problems because they don't know about it in enough detail to do so.
>>3880600>it's the common complaint that people who never touched the game use to rag on itI get hit with that when I bitch about FF15s shit gameplay of "YOU NEVER TOUCHED THE GAME" and yet I post evidence that I did.
>>3880246I'm so fucking excited! Thanks for all your work>>3880256Kek
>>3880592>t. laphicet
is graces f hard? I'm having trouble wrapping my cock around the mixing and dualize system
>>3880729Not really. Mixing and dualizing is easy enough since you can easily craft items and find what you need within the menu selection the dualizing process goes through, provided you actually have the items in your inventory while doing it <<< that saves a fuckton of a headache.The big problem is attributes to equipment/accessories (ie, Calm, Bruiserine, etc) if you want to 100% that page in your collection/codex/whatever and you need a guide for that.
Lifebottle-kun, have you guys reached out to the ToD2 translation team?
I want a laphi to cuddle with under the sheets when is cold.
>>3880746We talk to their programmer from time to time. he was the one that did a lot of the initial code for Innocence R. They don't want our help on the translation side and for programming he got that covered.
>>3880793Well if its the Innocence R programmer, then I'l have a bit more faith in the team.
>>3880729No but fuck Dualizing
>>3880793>They don't want our help on the translation side and for programming he got that covered...so 2029 release?
>>3880811NTA but from what I recall the translation is done and they've been bug testing since last year? Last time, they reported that they were trying to fix some bugs that would fuck up the experience and that's why the patch isnt out yet.
>>3880826Cool they should say that on their fucking website so their fans aren't in the dark.
>>3880836Someone linked and/or quoted the reddit thread where they gave out that information right here on 4chan but people were too busy translation team warring so...
>>3878579Alisha is more obvious and easy to point to than design issues, and like another anon said, is easy to weaponize in arguments.I don't like the character as she is, but it's really obvious that the game got rewritten to shit on her hard. It's not handled as a thematic point or narrative beat, everyone and everything just puts her down in really nasty ways. You could keep her entire role the same (fakeout party member who can't actually join/isn't suited for the journey) without it reading as passive-aggressive.Compare what I just said to discussing the artes system, game pacing, dungeon design, etc, etc. Shorter, snappier, less minutiae.
>>3878565Not much. Game was fucked on a lot of levels.
>Going through Jude's story>Notice the random backsteps and jumps midcombo>Not sure if I'm fucking up commands>50 hours and I try to play as Milla in the Colosseum>RANDOM AIRBORNE FRONT AND BACKDASHES KEEP INTENSIFYING>Literally fall off the arena due to this shit at least 3 timesWho tested this shit?
>>3880747t. Velvet (but he's the one who gets cold)
>>3880959I just love shota and he is the most beautiful one (and one of the few of the franchise, unfortunately). I would cuddle up with kamoana too but if i have to choose...
>>3880970t. Velvet
>>3880972I wish anon... i wish.I have never wished to be a girl, this is the first time.
>>3880925My wife
>>3880810I liked dualizing, but there are way too many different kinds of items. They literally should have had maybe 1/2 the amount of items, it was such a fucking pain to be missing 1 item that was in a low level area 30 hours ago.
>>3880242As a pure screenwriting assignment I can respect it for getting the essential story and characters from 40+ hours down to 7 while still finding moments to breath in its own hyper-speed retelling. But padded as the game certainly is too much is still lost.
Man I'm 20 hours into my Xillia playthrough and I haven't seen a 3x bonus in a shop, was it really this rare? I can't remember my first playthrough.
>>3878934You either have it or you don't. Berseria does a better job explaining resonance and how if you're just not born with it, you're just fucked. Alisha doesn't get to be a special snowflake just because she likes seraphim.
>>3878579Alisha was bland as fuck. Rose was just annoying. Honestly the entire cast is insufferable (besides my wife Lailah).
>>3881210In-universe logic conforms to themes and intent, not the other way around.Alisha being a fucking loser who actually can't do what she wants to is fine. The game just handled it terribly. Same as how Dezel's whole arc is ass.
>>3881465>Same as how Dezel's whole arc is ass.because its tied to Rose's Mary Sueness
>>3878589It's 100% this. She had a nice design that resonated with people as opposed to Rose who is arguably one of the most generic female tales desined characters. She looks like an npc
>>3881472Nah, his arc is ass because it was executed terribly. Rose could have stayed exactly the same while having a well written Dezel.Same for Lailah being a non character for dozens of hours to avoid spoiling a big twist in the laziest way possible. Same for Edna being one note. Same for Alisha being a fucking bore.Zaveid and Mikleo are the only characters they got right.
>>3880729Dualizing is hardly mandatory, it's fine.Getting the right qualities or shards, yeah, fuck that.
>>3881475^ this
>>3881183For me it popped up somewhat often when I was just starting on the PS3 version, but overtime it just stopped appearing entirely.
>>3881217Bro your Edna ?
>>3878579Lying and misleading your customers tends to piss them off.
>>3881708like the whole SMTxFE bullshit
>>3881712Bad comparison. Atlus just posted a slideshow saying that they were doing a project but never once promised anything beyond that. The fans of those franchises inflicted that on themselves.Alisha was a case of the marketing team's usual modus operandi (i.e first joining female is the main heroine and so should be shilled as much) failing because Zestiria's writer decided to do something different and it was not properly communicated.One is a bait and switch, the other is headcanon.
>>3881774>Atlus just posted a slideshow saying that they were doing a project but never once promised anything beyond that. it was pushed as a crossover. The actual #FE trailer still called it a crossover:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fS24IxelBA
Colette is kinda based. Very endearing, and her angel transformation is great character work
>>3881788she'd be even better if she had some bigger breasts
>>3881779https://youtu.be/Et7a4bM7n3M?si=_TCNX-s4F4J8qBdhThat was all we got on the initial announcement. Then fans went along and did whatever they wanted based off the images since about 95% of them assumed that we were going to get a FE flavored DeSu or something. Hell, that was what Atlus was going to do at first by designing a SRPG before Nintendo shot it down and told them to make it as "Atlus-like" as possible (but no one knew until after the fact).
>>3881863and the video in >>3881779 is still calling it SMT x FE
>>3881788Collette is one of the most boring female leads in any Tales games ever. I hate her.
>>3881705>the joke is that she's a deadpan loli!!This fucking trope is so overdone in anime it's nauseating, so no, Edna fucking sucks as well
>>3882036Not a joke, and a trope can't be overdone. Literally everything you like is a collection of "overdone" tropes at least 4 thousand years old.
>>3882036>Edna fucking sucks My dick
>>3881774That's just disingenuous and you know it. The trailer was melodramatic and ended on a city skyline with video distortion meant to resemble a settlement set ablaze. They went for dramatic bell SFX and a menacing song for the SMT half.If the expectation they wanted to set was just "here comes a cool, fun crossover!" they could have picked a more iconic or upbeat track like Kichijoji or Nocturne Map 1 and gone for a hype tone instead.They had no idea what the project was going to be, and the trailer assumed (like the fans) that it would carry some of SMT and FE's tone. Don't blame fans for getting mad at the tonal whiplash.
>>3881844The bigger breasts department is already covered in that game. No need for others.
>>3873080Will buy if they bundle Xillia 1 and 2 remaster for less than $60 bucks total and only with at least 50% discount after that.
>>3881475Eh, both are generic as fuck
>>3882068The final game is closer in tone with the likes of Devil Survivor/Persona and some of the campier FE games as far as supports go. There's also a bunch of themes and aspects from both franchises that encapsulate its narrative, however it was pretty much impossible to know how the game was going to turn out when not even the dev team knew what they were going to do on announcement.Atlus and other companies back then had a habit of doing announcements long before development started and it always backfires because it causes everyone to run away with their own headcanon about what the game should be instead of what it actually is.Zestiria's controversy is still a dogshit comparison to what happened with TMS for a multitude of reasons.
I'd drink Velvet's piss
>>3882196girls don't pee
>>3881788I want to puch colette so hard in the belly till she pukes and cries.
>>3881788She cute
Get off this shitty site and go play some damn video games already
>>3878579It was retards latching onto her design + pre-release marketing making her seem like she'd be the heroine/love interest. She ended up being none of that and it pissed people off. In actuality, she was nothing special ingame and I didn't really mourn her absence because she brought nothing interesting to the table. Rose was atleast fun with Sorey.
>>3882260Tales of Phantasia for the SNES was revolutionary.picrel faggotry
>>3882196that's dangerous, malevolence remember?>>3882202they do, but it contains malevolence>>3882223don't be an asshole please>>3882247totally agreed
>>3882305t. Rose
If you could only play 5 "Tales of" games what would they be?I'm only asking because I'm doing a playthru of Phantasia currently and want to know the best games in the "Tales of" Franchise.
>>3882366>If you could only play 5 "Tales of" games what would they be?Phantasia PS1 (due to a lack of english patch for ToPX), Eternia PSP, Abyss, Destiny DC and Xillia 2 when the remaster drops.
>>3882366Eternia, Destiny DC, Abyss, Vesperia, Xillia 2
>>3881844>>3881788>Ironing BoardI'm glad the game itself is on the side of indulging with her flatness.
>>3882035But like... is she? Not to be mean but there's a lot of boring female leads across the games - not everyone is going to be Rutee or Tear or Velvet. You got people like Milia, or Rose, or Claire, or Mint (though i'm not really blaming Mint).Like, as a character she's played pretty straight - she's got her massive savior complex going on that she has to work out and that's her main thing - but she does that really well. Symphonia does a much better and more interesting take on "The Chosen One" then where it pops up elsewhere in the series Looking at you Sorey - and Shirley too, though to a lesser extent. And I don't think "a kind girl who wants to do good for other people" is a bad place to start with for your lead
>>3882388She's boring to some people because she has to compete with Sheena, loli/robo girl fans for Presea, and Raine.Add that with her relative "dumbness" and naivete and people who want a strong tough girl and she gets even more reviled.She's a sweetheart with issues, but not many players think beyond what's at face value and her being shoehorned as designated heroine.
>>3882388I'd sooner compare Milla to Tear/Velvet than Claire. Nevermind 'main heroine', she's one of Xillia's two main protagonists.
>>3882323Edna really have nice tiny butt
>>3882333Sorey's urine would be safe to drink.
>>3882333I fucking hate her.
>>3882435Yeah and she’s awful as a protagonist. She’s by far the most boring character out of the sixIt’s super evident that they made a game for Jude and then just tacked on Milia’s side later on because they thought it was a neat idea
>>3882366Phantasia PS1EterniaSymphoniaAbyssVesperiaDo I think those are the best? No really, I prefer Rebirth/Graces F/Xillia 2/Hearts R over most of these games even, but those 5 are the games that feel the closest in terms of evolution of game mechanics imo, while stuff like Rebirth and Graces are just...very different from almost everything else ( Destiny R, Zestiria and Berseria for Graces, Rebirth is just too different), and Xillia 2 needs the first for full enjoyment.
>>3882196Who wouldn't. She has marked me.
>>3882388Colette takes herself back a bit too much, but it does fit her. And her willingness to sacrifice herself or suffer in silence works really well with Lloyd who can't accept these things.I've replayed ToP (X version) after I've finished Arise and it was a nice palette cleanser. Alphen's retarded forgiveness and all the holier than thou attitude the group had really made the vengeful Cless&Mint combo all the sweeter to follow. It having better monster variety and better spell progression for the spell caster than Arise is also really funny.
what is the POINT of the shards and dualizing equipment when you keep getting new weapons at a steady rate that outclass it?
>>3882760You have to do it only when you can't progress further or with late game gearing. No one cares about upgrading anything before late in every jrpg ever.
>>3882681>stuff like Rebirth and Graces are just...very different from almost everything elseThat's exactly why I would take Team Destiny games over Team Symphonia and post-merge games, they have their own identity and don't feel redundant with each other.
>>3882760ultimate equipment dualizes from starting equipment and inherits a % of the stats, so you can chip away at getting +99 iron gauntlets over the course of the game so you can dualize it into a perfect endgame gauntlet later. you also make the gem accessories in the process. meanwhile in battle you'll be using +2 shining talons or whatever
>>3882366my personal favorites are symphonia, destiny, rebirth, hearts, eterniaposting it again because i completely forgot about eternia
>>3882541>She’s by far the most boring character out of the sixNah
>>3882789That's fair, too. If I had to pick 5 games of the series to play and couldn't play anything else, then yeah, I'd only pick Abyss of the list and fill the rest of the list with stuff from Team Destiny, probably.
>>3882760You need them to procure gemstones from them to polish and upgrade for 100% completion.Also qualities for 100% completion.Also also, it's the only way to gain access to the final floor of the postgame (not L&L) dungeon.
>>3882167>everyone to run away with their own headcanon about what the game should be instead of what it actually is.Again, this is deeply disingenuous. *Atlus* set the tone and then rebuked it. That's on them.>Zestiria's controversy is still a dogshit comparison to what happened with TMS for a multitude of reasons.That's true.
>>3882994>*Atlus* set the tone and then rebuked it. That's on them.and Nintendo still decided to brand TMS as a crossover with the title of the announcement trailer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fS24IxelBA>Wii U - Shin Megami Tensei & Fire Emblem Crossover Project Gameplay Trailer
>>3882994>DisingeniousNo. Atlus did not set any tone. They announced a project's existence and did a quick slide show of assorted events from the SMT side.IF we had alpha/beta footage of the real game and then Atlus decided to scrap it to do something else, then you could argue that they set the tone and threw it away.
>>3882366Phantasia (PS1 fan translated version)Symphonia Chronicles (I liked the sequel, cry me a river)Abyss (GOAT)Graces F (Best battle system)Xillia (Ufotable OP kino, I love the characters)
on normal mode Graces f do i need to worry about dualizing equipment much? I am just not interested in the gem/shard mechanics
>>3883255Just play the game and see if it becomes a problem for you geez. And no on normal mode you could be a parakeet and you’d be fine finishing the game
>>3883255normal mode is piss easy, you can just spam shit and winmoderate is where it gets a bit dicey for casual players
the Production IG openings are way better than the Ufotable openings
>>3883363the Ufotable ones are fine but they are definitely kind of generic. Very typical of modern anime.A lot of the IG ones are weird and in a way makes them unique. Shit like a low quality Rita doing a spell with a weird 3d effects or Rebirth having the names of the characters on the screen.
>>3883363Agreed, they had charm. Ufotable's just look like any other of their productions, all flash no substance.
>>3878589The funny thing is Rose doesn't look like a heroine because she technically wasn't written to be one, Rose is a party member not a heroine. Though I'd argue that Rose's design is too simple evenfor a party member. The actual heroine of the story is Mikleo and even funnier when considering him from a design perspective is that his design is very easily feminized and eye-catching which is what you would expect of a heroine.
>>3883407Mikleo a cute
>>3881465>>3881472>>3881483Ironically the issue I think is the head writer just being weird as fuck and making a bigger deal out of things that weren't all that big, and not properly explaining the things that actually mattered because he wanted to keep them as a surprise. Other writers handled everyone better to the point where I can safely say that Rose coming across as a Mary Sue is purely because the head writer doesn't know how to write.
>>3883255>>3882982It only matters for the final floor of the postgame dungeon.
>>3883435>>3883255And even then, all you have to do is dualize that L&L-exclusive dress (which you can buy en masse) with a specific lvl5 shard to turn it to Bruiserine quality and you're pretty much set to unlock the final floor.
>>3883363>>3883375>>3883405Ufotable is all style no substance. Excessive gradients and special effects and spastic camera swerving to cover up how mediocre they are in actual choreography and design.
>>3883408Would.
>>3883461I find it ironic that the only retellings of Zestiria that are better than the game are the ones that actively treat Mikleo like the heroine, and don't hide Sorey’s interest in him.
>>3883467Aye. I was yaoibaited for this game. Disapponted.
>>3883469Kinda intentional/unintentional yaoibait. The head writer didn't want Sorey to have any romantic relationships at all, which is why Mikleo is male. Problem is, is that Sorey’s character itself kinda needed that to explain his choices. Sorey’s vow to be a shepherd means that he can never have any romantic relationships with a human woman. So every other writer, realized the issue and leaned into that to the point that even Bamco acknowledges it. The only retelling of Zestiria that doesn’t is the X.
>>3883476No no but it was my fault i bought it really late and i heard around (avoinding spoilers) that was yaoi-coded as much as berseria was a shotacon powerfantasy. I am always up for some yaoi but after 30 hours i saw nothing is gonna happening, got bored and dropped losing all the reasons that made me play it.
Lailah's physical artes are exclusively fire-elemental while all the other seraphs have physical artes of multiple elements including non-elemental. her spells have some coverage but they don't really make up for the lack of physical versatility. she's my favorite character but she's a pain to play as.i have stockholm syndrome for Zesty and I ignore a lot of its flaws but the game still tries so hard to prevent me from having fun in so many stupid little ways.
Edna anal
>>3883363For sure>>3883375>>3883405>>3883437Good to know people here not Ufotabots
>>3883577I want to do something to that thing with my thing.
>>3883577Cute cumsock.
>>3883274Even moderate is pretty easy, but there are difficulty spikes on it with some bosses which is why I stayed on moderate
Is there a list of all the new ToD DC Stahn quests? i cba to find all the triggers myself and all the walkthroughs i can find are for ToD PS1 and ToD PS2 nonDC
>>3883482Anon you needed to be more realistic, there was no way that the Tales Franchise was going to have a MC be overtly a homo. That was just never in the cards. If the head writer got over himself and allowed Zestiria to have an romance then Mikleo would be female. That's something that even nip fujos acknowledge.
>>3882388>>3882430There's also the little bit that her intended role gets shelved a quarter or so into the game, and so the game has to decide what else to do with her in the mean time. Which involves frequent kidnapping and incapacitation (continuing the OVA bashing, that translated to her being absent for over half the show), as if they don't really want to answer that. I could be forgetting something.>>3883507Agreed on first and second counts. Zesteria's blurring the lines of magic characters was nice but Lailah felt it the least.
>>3883787herp me...
Sorey is kinda like Ike from Fire Emblem now that I think about it
>>3883363I agree to this so much. The way ufotable draw the status portraits as well feels too clean and "plastic" like. And then they seem to have ran out of budget with Arise cause they look way worse than all their previous Tales works.
>>3883800I almost thought this was the direction Graces was going, Asbel/Richado seemed like they would be gay homo for each other but maybe it was just fujo bait. I thought Asbel was way gayer than Sorey. (but not as gay as Mikleo)
>>3883839Her design is fucking solid. Fujishima struck gold with moeblob angel, especially with such a simple design. Every single alt costume she got in Rays never measured up, especially that tacky one from Asteria that showed her legs OOC and more of her skin.
>>3883577
damn, 30 years old this month. happy birthday Tales.....I wish we could get more of your classics before the symphonia era.
>>3883907Would all of those 3.
>>3883843>>3883787On this page of the perfect guide you can see the 3 new sidequest they added in DC. https://archive.org/details/tales-of-destiny-dc-leon-famitsu/page/n4/mode/1upYou can find them in this life bottle productions sidequest guide https://www.lifebottle.org/#/./projects/destiny-dc/stahn-guideSide-Quest #161 - Aquaveil's Treasure SwordSide-Quest #162 - Lilith and StahnSide-Quest #163 - Lilith's Side
>>3883901I can't even say that either Sorey or Mikleo are homo so much as Sorey is just Mikleosexual and Mikleo is Soreysexual.
>>3884024Meant for >>3883889
>>3883000Yeah, they're also to blame.>>3883044>They didn't set the tone, they merely created a trailer!>Please ignore that the trailer sets a tone, which is part of the point of a hype trailer.You're not disingenuous.You're fucking retarded.>>3883410I wouldn't be that quick to peg it to any one contributor, but yeah, Zestiria's problem is entirely in how it presents its ideas. Berseria keeps all the same rules but presents itself in a way that makes its point much clearer and makes the audience more receptive to the cast.
>>3883907>>3883948>morgana no>riki maybe>mieu would 3 times per daypicrel minish cap psyop
Another angle
>>3884010at least theyre not missable
>>3884083>>3884087sadgewould love to visit, but i need a visa to go to japanstupid cold war nations divisions
>>3884088>3884088nice, double doubles
>>3884056>hype trailer that boils down to saying that we're making a fucking crossover and no substance to chew on beyond a shitty power point presentationCompanies should stop wasting everyone's time by advertising products before they're even out of the planning stage. It almost always backfires because it will never be able to live up to whatever initial promises and/or fan theories that float around.
>>3884056>Game doesnt even have fucking alpha footage>b-but they ruined the toneDumbass.
>>3884099>3884099double doubles yayabyss kino
>>3884056I think that it was the biggest contributer. Like Alisha was kicked out from the party for several reasons the biggest being that she lacks resonance which makes her a sitting duck at best and a liability at worst against stronger hellions. Also her having a romantic interest in a monk that took a vow of celibacy, whose powers require him to stay celibate, and also isn't attracted up her on topof that doesn't help. >Berseria keeps all the same rules but presents itself in a way that makes its point much clearer and makes the audience more receptive to the cast.The TOZX watch party on /a/ was hilarious exactly because of this. They presented Rose's actions and tried to follow Zestiria's logic in saying that Rose stopping a serial killer (who was in the game mind you) was bad but when presented by a different writter it just caused everyone watching it question why Rose was even called a Mary Sue at all. Ironically people who initially thought that Alisha's morality was correct wound up thinking that she was too naive. Because, why should Rose feel guilty about killing a serial killers and pedophiles?
>>3884083Cute
>>3884093>Companies should stop wasting everyone's time by advertising products before they're even out of the planning stage. It almost always backfires because it will never be able to live up to whatever initial promises and/or fan theories that float around.like VersusXIII.Doesn't help that when Tabata took charge he ruined everything good from the original trailer
>>3873080Velvet is the hottest Tails girl easily. Such a beautiful fuck doll.
>>3884160
>>3884164She's cute, but the best is Alisha.
>>3884203But even the best girl in get own game.
>>3884240>ESL
>>3884106The people who fund these games are jews. Jews are pedos. Which is why their products try to push fucked up morality like your a bad person if you kill the pedo/murderer. It's pure self interest.
>>3884282Rose's past is rather messed up, putting aside the fact that she was a child bride forced into a marriage in order to provide for her family aside, and who was coveted because the dude specifically wanted to have offspring with high resonance for political reasons, there really isn't anything morally questionable about her actions. But I think that the head writer was again just too enamored with the idea of making her morally questionable that he didn't stop to consider if her actions were actually morally questionable. Hence why the retellings don't even bother to consider her morally questionable and just present the issue that Sorey will have to kill Hedalf, and the dragons because they are too far gone and cannot be saved.
>Decide to finally play Symphonia with the JP dub >Kazuma Kiryu as Botta The voices are fine but I sure do miss Liquid Kratos
>>3884160>>3884164>>3884203Farah is best girl, get these newfag girls outta here>>3884358Teen Titans Robin as Lloyd was also great. Symphonia has easily the best dub in the series
>>3884083I need a life size Mint statue to welcome me home every day ;_;
do I play GC or Steam version of Symphonia and also do I play with english or japanese voices?thank you.
>>3884421I personally liked the english voices, but that's because the way I played it the first time so those voices have sentimental value. Choose japanese if you like that language more.Personally I think the Steam version is not a perfect port, but if it's easier for you to play it there, then that's good enough.
>>3884370Dunno who Farah is, at least post your girl for us to see.Velvet too perfect though I can't see anybody being hotter.
>>3883889That's honestly how I felt about Asbel early on, but later honestly Asbel really is just ridden with guilt and that's why he couldn't let Richard be. He treats Sophie similarly later on when she's broken and revealed she had to kill herself to kill Lambda. He doesn't want any of his old friends to suffer like before, to the point that feels like he's obsessed about it.
>>3884421GC modded with undub, widescreen, unblur, and hd texture pack.
>>3884421>do I play GC or Steam version of SymphoniaIt's a tradeoff.You either play the GC version which runs at 60fps but has no extra content, or you play the PC version which has all the extra content but runs at 30fps (though you could use LSFG to play at 60... uh, ffps I guess.)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6qYUGshjxYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Iqox8LYfXs>also do I play with english or japanese voices?Japanese, no doubt.The english voices are not super bad, but the skits are mute and that kinda sucks.If you don't agree and feel comfy with the english duh though, by all means use that.
>>3884515GC version still manages to look the best despite the several other ports that were made and is still the most bug-free, iirc.
>>3884550on the topic of bugs, gamecube is also the only version with the beneficial glitch that allows characters to learn both branches of some S & T artes instead of needing to pick one or the other. it allows for some unique combos that aren't possible in later versions.that comes at the cost of not having the new artes that were added in the ps2 version, of course.personally i dislike the HD portraits and mystic arte cut-ins and item icons made for the remastered versions. i actually emulate the ps2 version (untranslated, unfortunately) sometimes because it feels like the more authentic way to experience the "new" stuff added after the gamecube version.
>>3884370>Symphonia has easily the best dub in the seriesYou recognizing the VAs from cartoons from when you were 12 doesn't magically make the dub better, American anon.
>>3884440NTA but this is Farah from Eternia
>>3884569It does, actuallyOn an unrelated note, Troy Baker was a terrible choice for Yuri
>>3884576Oh god what happened to her lmao
>>3884577much better than the literally who for the remastered stuff
Why would anyone play with half assed english dubs when superior japanese undubs exist?
>>3884582I don't anymore but I'm capable of remembering and discussing the ones I experienced back in the day
>>3884581Grant George does decent dubs (Phenn in the more recent Octopath 0 coming out tomorrow). He just sounds that bad because he's trying to imitate Troy and not doing well at that at all.
>>3884576You bet!No problem!
>>3884576She was always hot, what's the problem?
>>3884605I didn't say there was a problem.
>>3884421The dub is good enough that if you speak english natively there's no reason not to do it in english (of course if you speak japanese natively, there's no reason not to do it in japanese either). They're both overall high quality - you can't go wrong with either. I would recommend Gamecube over steam - the visual differences are very noticeable, and what you're missing from the later versions isn't really worth it imo.
>>3884421GC with undub is the best experience.
>>3884550>GC version still manages to look the best despite the several other ports that were madeNah.GC with the HD texture pack and PC with tosfix and the HD texture pack look basically the same.>and is still the most bug-freeI didn't experience any bugs on the PC version myself, but considering that there's easily exploitable bugs in the GC version that help with speedrunning and manipulating your party's data such as their moves and shit, I call bs.
>>3884853>the visual differences are very noticeableIf you don't use tosfix, which restores missing visual effects and allows to dump and load textures.Kaldaien, who made tosfix, made a few texrture packs himself; HD textures, font restoration and I think they also made a PS button layout for those interested.
>>3884945>>3884946can you restore the old portraits and cut-ins though? i don't care about HD textures, i want to un-remaster as much as possible
>>3884945bugs that would actually impact your playing anon. no one gives a fuck about speedrunning except trannies
>>3884955or just play the superior GC original
>>3885045it would be ps2 in this context, as i mention in >>3884565ps2 is the only version where you can see the original mystic arte cut-ins for the whole party. gamecube only has lloyd/genis/colette mystic artes and the remasters change the cut-in art. it's a silly complaint, but i really like presea's hien messhoujin on ps2. doesn't exist on gamecube, vibes are ruined in the remasters.
>>3885055K but GC is still better
>GC is still betterIndeed.https://youtu.be/turK637GQic
>>3885056i don't disagree but if you're as autistic about this series as i am then there's still incentive to play other versions in addition to the gamecube version.there's no true definitive version because bamco is too incompetent to make one.
>>3884582How come nobody asks this question in FF or Xeno threads?
>>3885259probably because FF has good dubs and Xeno fans are weebpilled enough to play undubs by default
>>3885259Xeno 1 dub is actually pretty good and fun. The others should be played in Japanese if you have the option. It's not like anyone would seriously recommend English for Xeno 2.
>Xeno 1>Xeno 2>
>>3885259FF and Xenoblade are both more popular with normalniggers who are always dub-only, Xenosaga is comparatively niche so you'll see people recommend the original language track more often
>>3885284I'm really surprised they rereleased Baten Kaitos of all things but not Xenosaga. It was definitely the more popular Monolith game back in the day.
>>3885303Baten kaitos is owned by Nintendo. They even published the 2nd game. Xenosaga is owned by namco. So it's more lucrative for Nintendo to remake they're own property even if saga would probably sell better due to royalties and shit. Remember Nintendo stuck with carts in Gen v cause they where to miserely to pay royalties to use cds. They hate that shit farm more than other companies who are more willing to compromise like say Sega or Microsoft.
>>3885303xenosaga kinda sucksthe story can be fun but in terms of gameplay it's ass
>>3885333It's not owned by Nintendo though, I think they just published the sequel. The remasters are available on all platforms and were published by Bamco.
>>3885303Xenosaga doesn't need a rerelease it needs a full on remaster to fix the abundant problems.
>>3885357You're right Nintendo only Co-owns it along with namco. Didn't know that.
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/kirby-air-riders-appears-to-use-bandai-namco-studios-new-in-house-engine-sol-aves/I wonder if Bamco gonna use this new engine for Tales in the future.
>>GC is still better>Indeed.If you're not willing to use mods on the PC version anyway.
>>3885613all modern rereleases of old games are remasters.>>3885864i took a look at tosfix and the texture packs and they don't look good. i'm not sure why you're so insistent on this.gamecube for 60fps, tech glitch, and visuals intactps2 for added content (in japanese) with visuals intactremasters for added content in english, but ugly as hellthis is the tradeoff no matter what mods you have
Best Tales game with Romance? I know Destiny 1 has the protagonist hook up for obvious reasons for Destiny 2 but I'm looking straight kissy kissy lovey dovey. Is Innocence R translated yet? Wasn't that one sorta a pick your girl type entry?
>>3885907Destiny 2, Hearts, Symphonia 2, and Arise are the games with a higher focus on romance. A tier below that are the games with incidental romance: Destiny, Eternia, Abyss, Innocence, Graces, Xillia. Then you have the implied romances: Phantasia, Symphonia, Rebirth. Then lastly you have the zero romances: Vesperia, Xillia 2, Zestiria, BerseriaI don't know where to put Legendia because it's sort of in the "romance-focused" tier but EVERYONE hates the romance specifically so it's hard to recommend for it.Innocence R is translated, and it's not anything like that. There's an implied relationship between the main character and an unlikable tsundere (coming from someone who likes tsunderes)
>>3885907>I'm looking straight kissy kissy lovey doveyNone, of them, honestly.I think Tales games are very romantic but in a more abstract sense of the word. They have a romantic atmosphere. Taking a break from the main story to watch some comfy skits is romantic. Inomata's character designs are romantic. The opening theme songs are romantic.The protagonists themselves tend to come off as sort of asexual except when someone's being pervy for comedic relief.Destiny 2, Hearts, and Graces are the peak of that romantic atmosphere to me.Symphonia might have the best pairing in the series but you can also sort of subvert it via the Flanoir scene.
>>3885907Hearts R probably, it's the one where the main couple just couldn't wait till their journey is over so they can shag. Even the other boys in the party gets a girl in some way.
>>3885909>EVERYONE hates the romancehuh? I... i didn't hate it...
>>3882388>not everyone is going to be RuteeI can change that
Shirley sucks, Senel deserves Chloe
>>3885757Anise is so fucking hot.
>>3885971https://files.catbox.moe/n5mobt.jpg
>>3885964Norma is actually the best girl
>>3885988Sure, but Senel doesn't deserve her. Maybe Will or Moses, tho.
>>3873080Is Arise good?
>>3885998I think it’s an okay game but a terrible tales of game
>>3885998Not at all! Avoid it if you can.
Jude was so lucky
>>3885998wait for the remaster
Sex with Velvet and Milla
>>3885998No, it's one of the worst JRPGs released on this decade and on its own series.
>>3886195Sex with several Velvets and Milla
Sex with Laphi while Velvet and Eleanor watch.
>>3885998Okay~ish JRPG, terrible Tales game.
Sexo with kamoana.
According to lifebottle Phantasia X english patch is releasing "soon". Aside from the Rondoline shenanigans, I had fun with it back then. Never finished it, but I want to beat ToP in either its two main versions more.Also lol Destiny 2.
>>3886424based lifebottle chads
Agria
>>3886002>>3886295What's with this meme of a statement? What does Arise even do well? The writing is shit, the areas are underwhelming as fuck and the combat is nothing to write home about either. Sure, it breaks many traditions of the Tales franchise, but it's not like it replaces them with anything decent event.
I just saw tweet of Katsuhiro Harada leaving Bamco, I wonder how this would impact Bamco, I think I read before that Harada is like the general producer of everything, including Tales, Ace Combat, Dark Souls etc.
>>3886624I want agria to kick me in the balls every time she see i have an erection (happens quite often if i am near her).
>>3886856producer in that context just means he oversees the budgeting and marketing and makes sure nothing's going horribly wrong, right? i doubt a new producer would shake things up much. it's not like they're gonna hire some passionate Tales fan who's gonna demand the series return to its roots
Peony-sama... why are you so cute?! That's dangerous!!!
>>3886939Yeah, Tomizawa is still the producer and face of Tales. Harada just oversees every Bamco's own original IPs.
>>3886992Their cocks would bounce on top of met. average abyssfag
>>3886856Tales is truly dead
>>3886848>What's with this meme of a statement?"It's a videogame that you can play and you might find some enjoyment out of it. It has none of the features or qualities you'd expect from a Tales game though".
>>3877547nice design
>>3887209It's been dead for more than 10 years
>>3887221It also doesn't really have any of the qualities I expect from a good JRPG or fucks them up.
I'm trying to main Malik in Graces remastered.What is his optimal play in midgame?A art chain with B art finishers?
