I heard these games are good for what they are and they're on sale. Are they worth the money and time to play them? Most importantly, are they ______fun?
>>3877491Vom has a decent class system, serviceable itemization and subpar graphics and level design. Gameplay is brain dead.
>>3877491They're both very solid games, but nothing that WILL blow you away. Are you familiar with either franchise? I will say Visions looks great, though.
>>3877529visions or trials?
>>3877491>>3877526>>3877529Earlier Mana games are fun. The top one is not. It's the most retarded Mana game I ever played. Looks great but it is so dumb. The antagonists are the good guys and everyone else is just cult levels of retarded. The Goddess is also the most evil being in that game with how incompetent she is.
Out of all the Star Ocean games, I think Divine Force might be my favorite to play. I wasn't crazy about the plot or characters, but it's middle ground that you can't hate.
>>3877560I hope the flying stuff is them getting ready to make Hrist her game. Tri Ace Presents Valkyrie Profile 3+1: Lightning Can Not (Re)Turn, a fourth game in the Lightning Profile series tying up all the leftover plotpoints from when history collapsed.
>>3877537I'm gonna guess you haven't played picrel
>>3877560What do you have to say to the top review on steam being a fat negative?
>>3877491Mana is a solid action rpg.Divine Force is one of the better Star Ocean games.There are demos for both, so just try them.>>3877536Visions is infinitely better and more polished.The main appeal of Trials is that you can choose the protag and other 2 party members, which changes the game a bit. But the level, world, combat design is all worse than Visions. Characters are worse and more stilted too. Ok game, but yeah Visions is better.
>>3877609>Visions is betterNo fucking way
>>3877610It absolutely is. The world design and level design alone is 100x better in Visions.Trials uses linear hallway type design, even for exteriors, since it's originally a SNES game. Areas are also typically very flat and simple, often having invisible walls.Visions have huge open areas for you to explore, with lots of elevation changes, platforming and quests in them. Dungeons aren't just hallway sims either and have more elevation and things going on in them. This includes traversal and interaction elements.Running around and exploring is infinitely more fun in Visions. Visions also has a better combat system. So the act of playing the game is way more fun and interesting in Visions.As I said, the appeal of Trials is to select your protag and party and see how that changes when you play. But it has a lot of baggage of being an old SNES game which the remake didn't fix.
>>3877574>steam reviews>idiot admits to not even getting very far>admits to liking last hope>has no actual proper criticism and can't even articulate his issues wellOnly reason to read steam reviews is to laugh at midwits.
>>3877536Visions may be better in some ways but after beating it once I'll probably never play it again. Trials is fun to play through.
I stopped after FF10, I can’t imagine any nu-Squaresoft being appealing. The only other one I could ever see playing is 12
>>3877645Who are you even responding to?
>>3877491You can just pirate them
>>3877633The important thing to be is the combat - how is that in Visions compared to Trials?
I don’t like action rpg combat but star oceans world looks pretty neat. How’s the exploration and side quests? I might need to make an exception.
I liked Star Ocean 6 a lot.
>>3879219Why did Ray design his robot and dress her up like a sex slave.
>>3879232She was a gift from his dad. because he didn't have a mom. And because.
>>3877633>It absolutely isLol, you're so fucking wrong, retard. Lmao, even.
>>3877633>Visions have huge open areas for you to exploreI don't think I really want that anymore. I feel like we've reached a point in a lot of games were a "HUGE OPEN WORLD" ends up translating to a "GIANT BORING COMMUTE."
>>3877491Refunded divine force because the steam version is unbearably blurry. Even sharpening from reshade doesn't help at all. What the fuck is wrong with these devs
>>3879336Do we really have to break this down one thing at a time?Which games has better level and world design, Visions or Trials? If you say Trials you need to motivate it with extensive elaboration. Otherwise you concede you're irrational and biased.We both know you can't answer this and will resort to deflection ands shitposting instead.
>>3879455I'm not going to waste my breath on your retarded ass.>inb4 muh concessionDon't care. Take your fake internet points and shove it up your ass.
>>3879377You can travel across the areas quickly, either by running or on a mount you can summon at any time.It's mostly there to not feel like a hallway sim with invisible walls everywhere, like Trials of Mana.But if you're OP, not sure why you'd ask about Divine Force and Visions when both games have open areas to explore.
>>3879407CAS didn't help? Wtf
>>3879458You can't prove yourself right, yet you're so immature you want to just scream at people they're wrong for several hours. That's you.Close-minded mentally immature people incapable of challenging their ideas like you are always the same. Can't even engage in basic human discussion. No wonder you flee to 4chan and probably live here 24/7.
>>3879462Kek eat shit retard. I don't need to win 4-channel skirmishes in aisle retard to know how utterly fucking wrong you are.
>>3877491What do you call these types of games? Tales of Arise falls under this category as well. >game looks good>mid to shit story>janky controls
>>3879455NTAsshole but I'm curious about that breakdown you just mentioned because I'm still on the fence as to whether I should get visions or trials this sale. Thank you in advance, anon, and know your words are not wasted here.
>>3877537>The antagonists are the good guys>I fucked over my girlfriend and my entire village and I have no problems inflicting that onto someone else even though they remind me of myselfGet out of here with that shit>Cult levelThey live in a world where there's visible and realistic repercussions for not going along with the spirits. You're also given the option to back out if you want before going on the journey.
>>3879502The studio (Xeen) that worked on the Trials remake also remade Romancing Saga 2 which is known to be a success, much like Trials. Now, the studio (Ouka) that worked on Visions...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THEY SHUTDOWN JUST BEFORE THE GAME WAS EVEN RELEASED!!
>>3879492AAA-coded AA games on a restricted budget
>>3879512I didn't ask you, cunt.
>>3879502NTA butTrials is fundamentally a short SNES game at its core. So while it offers 6 MCs, its really 3 core storylines that are 90% the same per playthrough. There's some minor exploration in some zones but they're mostly linear.Trials combat is basically Musoulite in that everyone follows the same CX system and you use shortcuts to access your spells/specials. The AI is also about as dumb as you'd expect, so be prepared to do most of the work.Visions follows a singular story where everyone joins. It has much larger areas and generally better dungeons, but combat feels a bit worse than Trials in certain aspects. Visions has sidequests but many of them require a lot of tedious back and forth, which can be a serious pain in the ass. In terms of difficulty, Visions has a much lower peak due to the lack of Expert/No Future.There's also more movesets to experiment with since there's 15 of them instead of 6 and they dont all follow the same basic style.Overall, they're both solid games that have their own pros and cons.
>>3879519Thanks for replying. Everything you spelled out sounds interesting but how is the story in visions? It's the glue that holds everything together since whether it's good or not will determine if I can be motivated to do all the side quests.
>>3879519AI is dumb in Trials albeit tolerable, but HOLY FUCK did I want to kill myself during the Zehnoa boss fight.
>>3879516>cuntYou lost to emu's, roofucker. Go back to bed ausfag.
>>3879523If you're familiar with FFX and Tales of Symphonia, then the core concept is the same. A group of people go on a pilgramage for the sake of preserving the world and you deal with their feelings on the journey. However, the game doesnt try to subvert it with religion bad like the others because sacrifice for the greater good is a core theme of Mana from the beginning. Instead it explores other themes along the way.
>>3877633Trials mogs it in every way.Crazy how big of a difference a developer can make. Studio Xeen which made Trials is producing banger after banger while Visions was developed by a new studio which was really just NetEase + two Japenises who can't speak Chinese at the helm. Predictably, Visions sucked total ass and its studio immediately closed.
>>3879533The AI in the mana games can do stuff but in any serious fight, Zehnoa, Mispolm, Gandoom, etc, they're going to be floor tanking.
>>3877568i was checking into the mana series about 2 weeks ago, when i reached that game i wondered why...it might still be a fine game in itself but cant say i thought "i really wanna play this".
>>3879461Not at all. Tried a bunch of reshade settings. First time that made my eyes bleed from the smearing
>>3879696Trials is worse in every single way. Characters, story, combat, level design, art direction, visuals, world design, boss design. Even the pacing is worse.The selectable party gimmick is all Trials as going for it, which ultimately isn't even interesting in this day and age since it's not done well.Trials is a novelty at best.
>>3880748Wow, how rare. A singular Visions apologist who thinks Trials is somehow worse. Your opinion is interesting but good luck convincing anyone to believe that tripe.
>>3877491Ended up refunding SO6. Those text font sizes are unsat.
>>3879377I totally agree, open world is mostly pure bloat. Especially like what is shown in that image, where you leave a town and you have AN OPEN FIELD. Impressive when older games did it because it was technically impressive, but now has become a chore. And even back then it wasn't my favorite conceit.
>>3880962>Those text font sizes are unsat.Reminder to never play SO5. You'll want to kill yourself.
>>3881604it's amusing how trials makes you appreciate game not wasting your time
>>3881604The thing is, when older games seemed big, they really weren't all that huge. it was the illusion of creating a vast world either by tricks of scale and perspective or just making sure there things over there other than check marks for a list. Players want the sense of having a big adventure but actually having a huge treck is kind of boring and just burns out sooner rather than latter.
>>3881606I always research my games to death before buying them and SO5 was a big NO-NO. I ended up going for the Lunar Remaster which just went on sale. I think it's still too much but I've been itching to play it since it was released and a little discount is better than nothing.
>>3877491JRPG GOD HEREOnly Octopath 2 (even if you hated 1) and maybe DQ11 is worth it.
>>3881648Update: refunded SO6 and got the lunar collection. Did I do good, JRPGod?
>>3881648Also, is the DQ3 remake worth getting on sale right now or should I hold off?
>>3881608Old games are good at that. So are modern indie games that aren't roguelites. But, I agree. The briskness of older games is something I really love.>>3881610A favorite example of this I use is Suikoden. It's a favorite game of mine, and each game in the series is quite explicitly limited in scale, most to one country. Even the first one is quite small, but with it's world map, and it's tendency to emphasize that there are other countries out there with other geopolitical concerns, it makes it feel very grand to me.
>>3881649You did well my child>>3881652Its great but also barebone. Wouldnt personally recommend. But its also a classic.Play DQM 1& 2 instead. Not 3.
>>3881660>Play 1&2 insteadBut 3 is a prequel...
>>3881661DQM = Dragon Quest Monsters
>>3881662My bad I got confused when the DQ1&2 remake sounds similar.
>>3881663I forgive you
I like action rpgs. How is Stranger Of Paradise?
>>3881983It was my GOTY the year it came out.
>>3881983I think it's a lot of fun. It's also a very engaging story, honestly. Pure melodrama, told straight, without any lampshading.
>>3881983Solid gameplay, retarded characters and story. But the story and characters are so bad and stupid it comes around to being funny.
>>3881983Cringekino
>>3882044I thought the story was genuinely good, and I appreciated it being earnest.
>>3882024>>3882038>>3882044>>3882046Thanks, anons. You all sold me on it.
>>3877491These are both comfort food JRPGsNeither does anything particularly well, but they’re far from badThey both look good, run well, play well, and sound niceThe plots are very 6/10; not terrible, not greatI think both series have far better entries (Trials and Legend of Mana, SO2 and 4), but these are totally fine
>>3882072Tell me more about Star Ocean The Last Hope.
>>3882072>star ocean 4>good or even better than divine force
>>3877491Played both.The Divine Force gave me motion sickness and wanted to vomit, battle system felt like bricks.Visions of Mana specially reminded me to much of Genshin slop.Would not recommend.
>>3882122Thank you, anon. I ended up getting the Lunar Remastered Collection instead since it got a little sale just yesterday.
>>3882152Enjoy and have a nice gameplay!
>>3881660>>3881652I do not like Dragon Quest
>>3882375What do you like? I can try to recommend stuff to you?
>>3882417I am quite capable of finding my own games. thank you. I just do not like dragon quest.
DQ3-HD or DQ11S? I want to play Dragon Quest.
VoM was alright. Drags on at the end though.
>>3882776DQ11 if its your first. Play DQ3 when you're also ready to play 1&2 in that order.
>>3882988Yeah it would be my first DQ. Thanks for the recommendation, I had a hunch about 11 being better for a novice but I was unsure. And I completely forgot that 3 and 1&2 are linked like that.
>>3882991If you want to branch out more, emulate DQ8 (PS2) and DQ5 (PS2). DQ5 for PS2 needs the English patch. Those are regarded as some of the best in the franchise.
>>3882992Forgot to mention that there are hd texture packs available for both. https://youtu.be/0dY7F9G9898https://gbatemp.net/threads/dragon-quest-v-jap-translated-hd-remaster.623233/
>>3877645Same, desu. I loved Squaresoft growing up, made some of my favorite games ever. I loved plenty of Enix games, too! Squeenix, however... has not impressed me once. I've tried, and I've tried again, but I have yet to play anything this company has put out that doesn't just feel like soulless cash-grab slop with recycled cardboard characters. Graphics have come a long way, but everything else just keeps getting worse.
>>3882152They're mid at best. They have charm but they are piss easy. I literally used autobattle through both games on everything, every boss included, and beat it. Full throttle high speed and everything just melted. I was able to level a lot because of the high speed option and so was OP for bosses, just fight every battle like that at full speed and don't skip enemies. You will beat it with zero issue except MAYBE one or two bosses in Lunar 2 as it is the harder game by far.They're good but I would never ever replay them because of how easy they are. The stories are also meh, very charming, but so generic and it gets boring. Music is by far the weakest point of Lunar games.
>>3881983Play Raidou Remastered.
>>3883821Maybe JRPGs aren't for you then because that's most games.
>>3883822What's it like? Shill it to me.
>>3883921It's really not though. I can't auto-battle through Persona and SMT games. I love JRPGs but Lunar is egregiously bad when it comes to this. I still liked the games and would recommend them because they are extremely charming, wholesome experiences, but they still fall mid-tier for me.
>>3884867It's like you're this badass Devil Summoner dude who goes around forcing his justice down the throats of evil-doers with sick music, poppin' aesthetic, fluid and interesting combat, addictive progression systems, and a fun overall experience.
>>3886791>>3884867Oh forgot, here's a review:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1EQBAdxCmA
