Why are these games considered inferior to their original releases? What are some other games that fall under this category?
>>3877965>Why are these games considered inferior to their original releases?Because they got fist fucked through a dozen or so filters and look like absolute crap with dumbed down mobile friendly UIs with art that's completely devoid of any soul made to pander to vacuous modern audiences who think the height of fiction is a shallow self inset isekai light novel. >What are some other games that fall under this category?Oh buddy you don't even want to get started
>>3877965They are considered inferior by contrarian idiots. The only mildly relevant argument they make is "it could've been better", which is a moronic nitpick. Almost all things, remaster or not, could've been done better.Most remasters/remakes don't get the amount of high effort put into them like the Natsume ones or Resident Evil 2 remake, but most of the ones that do aren't rewarded for it either with bigger sales numbers, so they're not exactly incentivized to spent a lot of extra money on the development.Remasters/remakes are appealing to companies because they are relatively low cost to make, are relatively safe and with a somewhat predictable return.
>>3877981The art change in the Suikoden remasters look like absolute shit side by side with the originals. The Grandia remaster was based on the PS1 port which looks inferior to the sega fucking saturn original. Try again, retard.
>>3877980No, please do tell. That's what this thread is for.
>>3877983Bias and nostalgia. You're bamboozled because it doesn't look retro and that the vibrancy is different (not as washed out).Meanwhile you ignore ugly poor repeated patterning, extremely blurry and low res patterns, etc. and everything else that just looks bad.Plus at the end of the day it's nitpicking.
>>3877998You disingenuous nigger, say that again after watching this video comparing the two. https://youtu.be/6YpEsDiEhl0
>>3877965>>3877965>What are some other games that fall under this category?The FFVI steam/mobile version. Pixel Remasters are debatably inferior, personally I think they're a downgrade too but not as much.
>>3878017>debatablyNo it is absolutely inferior since the PSP includes the interlude and The After Years when the PR does not.
>>3877965>Why are these games considered inferior to their original releases?They're not, especially not Suikoden II.
>>3878018I always hate when people whine about Final Fantasy stuff not including interludes, sequels and prequels that were produced way later and are fucking shitty. FF4 PR is not inferior because it doesn't include the fanfic sequel.
>>3878044Uh huh....
>>3878046>less content is LE GOOD!
>>3878049If it's not good content, then yes. If they remade Chrono Trigger I sure as fuck wouldn't even want the trash they added in the DS version. I'd take improvements to the game over that shit any day.
>>3878052It's all optional content anyways, puritard.>Please cvck me harder with less contentLmao imagine thinking like this
>>3878047You jokers sure do love to complain as much as you ignore all the improvements.
>>3878000>watch this videoSuikoden is arguably my nr1 favorite franchise of all time and I have replayed all of the games multiple times, apart from that PSP game that is barely a Suikoden game, that one I only played through once.I am deeply familiar with the series, way more so than you.I am also not blinded by bias and can recognize when things are better or just different, unlike you. You can't even form arguments and pretend you're being level headed and rational.
>>3878066>improvements>bottom scrot stretchedYou can't even be honest with yourself.
>>3878070>Big claim>No proofSure thing buddy
>>3878071>being a nitpicking retard that ignores the differences between the two because I didn't take a personal screencap from the ps1 versionYou're behaving like a child.For the Abomination fight it was to highlight the improved lighting, improved floor textures (not just one low res square, which is what the ps1 texture is), a properly modeled and more detailed organ, not fighting in a black void (which you don't do in game, so the ps1 environment doesn't match the location you were just talking to Neclord in) and instead has walls, stained glass windows with shafts of light.All of this is what you chose to ignore.You also completely ignored the huge bump in quality of the Pest Rat.But clearly you just plug your ears to whatever doesn't align with your narrow-minded biased narrative.>>3878072You're either blind or stupid, which is it? see the post above you >>3878066
>>3878077>Muh bunch of stock assets ooooo HD TEXTURES *jingles keys*You've deluded yourself into thinking that it actually looks good when in fact it looks jarring as fuck. It was such a lazy remaster I'd rather just play the original at this point. Such a waste of potential is disappointing.
>>3878071>>3878077Here, I'll even extend another olive branch (which you'll just shit on) by giving you that non-stretched one.None of it changes what the prior comparison image was there to highlight that I already elaborated on.
>>3878080>n-no you see it actually looks like trash!>y-you're just stupid!>here's a bunch of logical fallacies because i can't handle being proven wrongOh boy, what rational and mature arguments. You didn't even directly adress anything I said and just flat out ignored it.You can't even admit that it looks better and more natural to not fight bosses in some strange black voids, but instead have walls and match the actual game environment (pre-fight) you were in.Instead you want to die on the hill that absolutely everything about the remaster is a massive downgrade because you're an irrational close-minded contrarian.
>>3878083You're just crying at this point, dude. That demaster was a botched job and you know it. All they had to do was keep the original textures and just add some QoL improvements and everyone would've been happy. Instead, they opted to lazily mimic the HD2D style with cheap mobile-tier textures behind low-res character sprites that just don't mix. This vid summarizes everything wrong with it comprehensively:https://youtu.be/lVGW1RcWk9o
>>3877980I am the only one who liked the Langrisser remakes? I do appreciate a few animes of that era (Lodoss) or that try to imitate it (Bastard), but the overall aesthetic never resonated much with me, even if I have a weird infatuation with WoW sized shoulderpads.Did they change anything substantial besides the artstyle?>>3877965>Suikoden RemasterA boomer fren of mine who was obsessed with Suikoden liked it, he even commented that they kept the hidden goodies, like the alternative intro that you can get during the prologue. What was the issue with the collection? Did they cut something or suffered from forced resolution/fake remastering? Like Chrono Cross
>>3878046After Years was kino, my boy GOATbez deserved a good end
>>3878091>I am the only one who liked the Langrisser remakes?I certainly hope so because the new art is horrid.>but the overall aesthetic never resonated much with me, even if I have a weird infatuation with WoW sized shoulderpads.And how is the new style better? What exactly pops out of the lazy boring sleeping looking designs? This new shit is boring. >or that try to imitate it (Bastard)Bastard IS of that generation new fuck.
>>3878140I found the art kinda alright? It's different for sure, but I don't mind it, some of the new designs are quite cute.>BastardSorry, I am an anime secondary, didn't knew the manga was old afAnyway, did they change the gameplay? Plot or something? If not, then I still appreciate the new game more
>>3877965I'll never forgive them for fucking up Grandia like this
>>3878018Dyslexic anon, he said VI. But speaking about IV, everything I've seen makes me believe there's no best version. This is what I found when trying to decide which one to play next:>SNESAuthentic original experience. IMO looks the best alongside the PS1 version. Shitty translation but there are hacks to fix it, as well as to fix some bugs.>PS1Ignore this one, loading times suck. it's the only one I played, way back in the day.>PSPMore content along with the sequels, better translation, bugfixes, higher quality soundtrack. Also some balance changes. But IMO it's uglier.>GBAIf you pick the right revision for the bugfixes, it's apparently mostly the PSP version but looks better while sounding worse.>3DSupposedly way harder, got a complete gameplay revamp with different spells, abilities and more, has a bunch of new stuff and has the sequels too. Also has a higher quality soundtrack. But IMO it's also uglier, and it looks like it's way too different from the original.>Pixel remasterLess content than the other remakes, yet another rebalance that's a mix and match of stuff from the others, yet another soundtrack remix. Somehow I don't think it's as ugly as the PSP version but even if you think it is, it has mods to fix it.
>>3878185nta but the PSP version is clearly the definitive version
>>3878204NTA but you can mod the PR edition and it has the best music of all the remakes and remasters. The extra content in the psp version is simply bloat and isn't necessary to enjoy FF4.
>>3877998>nostalgiaI didn't play either game growing up and I still think the originals on Saturn (Grandia) and PSX (Suikoden) look better
>>3878185>But IMO it's uglier.Your opinion is wrong.
>>3878171I really don't see how people can look at the smeared out shit and think it's at all okay. It's not even an option a lot of the time. Tactics Ogre and FFT look horrid.
>>3877981>Most remasters/remakes don't get the amount of high effort put into them like the Natsume ones or Resident Evil 2 remakeThe RE2 remake cut half the original game's content.
>>3878264>The RE2 remake cut half the original game's content.What did they cut, out of curiosity? I played RE1 and RE2 back in the day.Oh no... Jill! Don't open... that door
>>3878052Any Chrono Trigger remake better have Horii fronting it like he did the original game. If they allow Kato to do anything but turn Horii's story into a script with no supervision from Horii it would be ogre before it even beegan.
>>3878000Can't refute proof
>>3878000Left>sovlRight>mobile
>>3877998>>3878066>>3878077>AI upscaled, blurry textures with out of place modern graphical effects>improvementsTypical zoomer retard who can't argue for shit outside of screaming MUH BIAS MUH NOSTALGIASorry that you are a shit eater with no standards
>>3878367>>AI upscaled, blurry textures with out of place modern graphical effectsIt's always nice to hear idiots mouth off to try and sound smart. They're clearly no AI upscaled because they're different more complex patterns both during bosses and outside of them.You can't even identify what is AI and not. About half of the art was inhouse and the rest was outsourced, which is the standard.You then say even more dumb shit just to stick to your immature contrarian extremist idea.You can't even admit that it looks better and more natural to not fight bosses in some strange black voids, but instead have walls and match the actual game environment (pre-fight) you were in. No, you are so irrational you have to call absolutely everything shit, even when you know you're wrong.>>3878088Crying? I'm calling you out on being irrational, close-minded and factually wrong. You are so mentally immature you can't even admit that it did some things right in terms of the art. Not a single thing. A person that immature and close-minded has no business interacting with other people.>everyone would've been happyYou said a lot of dumb shit, but this is the funniest. When it comes to remasters or remakes there are always tons of contrarians that nitpick and this time it's you.Even great remakes like Dead Space, RE2 and RE4 have people like you calling them downgrades, worse than the originals and shit.
>>3878053Imagine if they remade your favorite game and filled with trans, cuckoldry, gay and tons of other subjects you don't like. Would you also sing that tune of "hey it's optional! more content is better!".If the content is bad or detracts, then no it's not good.
>>3878380No, he's right; you're just a retarded zoomer, and I would add, a crying bitch as well, LOL. I bet you didn't even watch the video which was really good at comparing the differences and even praised the remaster in some respects. Truth is, you won't watch it in earnest because it would BTFO you in an instant.>inb4 muh vid muh vidIt's just easier to point to it instead of typing it all out since it's already formatted in a way even your zoomer mind can comprehend.>>3878381>Bad faith argument*Yawn*
>>3878185>>3878204>>3878206https://archive.org//details/ff4cc-pr-musicThere's a mod to replace the music in the PSP version with the PR music and an option to replace the TAY music with the 3D remake music. There's no reason to play the PR, lol.
>>3878381Not him but yes? How can optional extra content detract from anything if you can just not engage with it?
>>3878091The only thing that went wrong with Suikoden 1 was how interiors were handled. When indoors you could still see the outside streets, which makes the scene where you pass the blueprints to Kage a bit awkward-looking but outside of that it's the same game with a bit more polish and redrawn visuals.
>>3878558lol lmao
>>3878560Name three things wrong with it.
>>3878562The well stones are masoned, the clean cut wood replaced the thatched roof, can't see it in frame but the fencing, much like the well roof, replaced what was supposed to be a janky fence. All of this fucks up the atmosphere of the entire scene from its original intent.
>>3878563Anon... have you never seen a palisade before?
>>3878566Tell me you haven't played the original without telling me you haven't played the original.
>>3878560What the fuck happened here, the left gives the appearance of fully 3D models the right is literally photoshop clips.
>>3878563>>3878560You haven't played it either, why would they use a shitty fence and a thatched well when they clearly know how to build what amounts to a goddamn mansion?
>>3878571Because they're supposed to be mercs; just a rag tag group trying to make use with what amateurish knowledge and limited materials that they have available. The remaster does away with that and screws up the original intent of the scene.
>>3878572Mercs in history have never been "rag tag", know what we call rag tag mercs? "Hired thugs".>limited materialsThey live in a thick forest near a mountain pass.
>>3878575These guys aren't engineers retard. They focus on function rather than form. The rough look of the original perfectly portrays this. Defending slop like this is why we will never have nice things.
>>3878576>The rough look of the originalThat's cyclopean masonry and flagstones, anon. It's a technique known since antiquity that takes great skill and knowledge to use.
>>3878577>ackshuallyLMAO, you autist. The impression is supposed to look rough which the remaster failed to portray. Not to mention how everything looks so cheaply tacked on it doesn't fit the aesthetic of the game at all. The pixel sprites (+BLOOM) do not fit with the background textures/assets which fail to replicate the same atmosphere and detail as the original.
>>3878560It looks like RPG maker
Remember, accordig to /v/eddit anything that's not the original is inferior even if the original is inferior. I remember people unironically arguing that the DQ3 remake was ruined because the item system wasn't as cumbersome as the NES original. They're as psychotic as numbers obsessed mustards.
>>3878267Sewer and lab is shorter. The path to the lab is cut completely. I'm inclined to say that re2r is shorter than re2.I got the best rank on the second try on the hardest difficulty. After you get the glhang out of it, game's easy af.
>>3878664Censored trash
You fags are never happy. Suikoden remasters were more than decent. Not sixty dollars worth that I think it costs on Steam decent, but good to play through.
>>3878810>$60>eurocuck or kikerat coping that he wasted his moneyIt's about having standards. Why would I touch this demaster when I can play the original for free and be even happier? If you think this looks okay then you need to have your eyes checked. It's $50 in freedombucks and $40 when it's on sale; it's not even worth that.
>>3878828Confirmation bias is unbecoming. When you have to look for the worst comparisons possible to do mental gymnastics around, it says it all. You know you're wrong because it wouldn't hold up to a fiar comparison.Or you'll say anything better is bad, because being objective is not one of your traits.It's actually funny how mentally immature and emotionally fragile people like you are.
>>3878831>look for the worst possible comparisonsThe whole fucking game is this offensive, and I don't have to look hard for anything, lol. Use your eyes, retard.>Mental gymnasticsYou're projecting since you are the one who wasted your money on this RPGmaker, AIslop demaster.>fiarESLtard, post your counter examples instead of just coping and crying.>betterIt does some things better but the pros don't outweigh the cons.Try again, ESLtard.
>>3877965the remaster for grandia 2 is actually nice, the other ones are trash so play the original or any other port
>>3877965not everyone can have the lunar remaster treatment, thank god i wanted to play these games with jap dub for years
>>3878855Did they fix the random crashing and stability issues? I had a horrible experience when it first came out and never looked at it again. Emulating the Dreamcast version runs and looks great.
>>3878856Sale never ever. Hopefully this winter we'll see a little discount.
>>3878858idk i just said that because the port looks good
>>3878860So you didn't play it? Correct me if I misunderstood your post.
>>3877965This game cannot stop crashing.
>>3878859Lunar came out recently, expect 50% " in a year. Eiyuden has 70% and is a relatively new game. Has anyone tried eiyuden btw?
>>3878914I heard Eiyuden sucks
>>3878578>The pixel spritesOh NOW you don't like the untouched original sprites?
^ Try harder
>>3878916I think so, too. It not sucking would imply modern people would create something of value. Really puzzling how hard people can suck.
>>3878828I'll get it for 10 an play the demaster. Never played the original, so that's that.
It's funny how demaster apologists come in here with their normalnigger conformist opinions and get blown the fuck out.
>>3877965Chrono trigger on steam was a complete fucking dogshit mess
>>3878944Well, good news, anon! You can play the superior PSX version right now and for $FREE, too!
devil survivor overclock was good
>>3879249The undub and hd texture pack made it even better
>>3878856I wouldn't care what kind of bullshit they did on the remaster if they made it a toggle.
>>3879233>parts are too pricey nowCan't, fried my laptop :/Not going to pay over price. Either parts get cheaper or I'll wait for a vidya discount
>>3877965it doesn't really matter because suikoden is mid
>>3879448Just emulate it on your phone then. >>3879449It matters to some people.
>>3877965Every now and again, I think about how cool it was to finally see Romancing Saga getting recognition, with the release of 2. And even past the tweening for specific bosses, some of the textures used and the omnipresent mobile ui give me a headache every time I look at it. Someone thought that was good to send out as is.
I fucking hate demasters
>>3877965Should I get it?
>>3877965https://www.nexusmods.com/suikoden1and2hdremaster/mods/6?tab=descriptionThis fixes the art
>>3879770Emulation is free
>>3879770If you're adamant on playing the demaster just wait until it falls to $20 and install the kyaro mod to upscale the sprites so it looks less offensive.
>>3879787Always amazed how modders repair games in a couple of minutes.
>>3879799That and https://www.nexusmods.com/suikoden1and2hdremaster/mods/4 are non-negotiable to play the Suikoden remaster.
>>3879787Holy autistic nitpick, batman. You can't even tell what the differences are unless you compare them side by side and it's not that it's better, only slightly different. Including unblurring something intended as depth of field.
>>3879787>fixesThose are bold fucking words. I didn't like HQ2X filtering in Grandia and strikes me as too similar.
>>3879812whether you like them or not the new sprites fit perfectly with the backgrounds changes. ironically, original ones totally clash with such too clean backgrounds.
>>3877980Holy shit that's awful. What the hell happened to the japanese? Did they all become retarded? Why can't they draw in old style?
>>3879838Started outsourcing to Indians. Many such cases
Suikoden 1 and 2 were butt ugly literally made on a highly edited rpg maker. Remaster can only mostly improve the visuals. Sure there are a few things that look worse like tiles or character potraits but it doesn't really matter.
>>3879838Maybe they can, but market research shows that things that look like the old style are too outdated and look too old for modern audiences, while everything that sells nowadays looks more like the new one.
>>3879921I'm not even sure if the couple of sales are worth it. Something that looks like old might activate nostalgia. See e33. Everyone and their mother said 4 nigga in a row is long dead. E33 broke all records effortlessly. I'd wager most market researchers are clowns. They don't know what they are doing.
>>3877980Don't the Langrisser remakes come with the alternative artstyles, with one trying to emulate Urushihara (or they actually brought Urushihara for it, I dunno)? Doesn't fix the look of HD chibis in gameplay though. Imho pixels can sell chibi art as SERIOUS BUSINESS better than the full 2-3D used in these remakes.
>>3880075Yes there's an option
>>3877965Suikoden is good fuck you
>>3878171>>3878221as evident from kyaro mod, these people actually think it looks good
>>3878171Just how stupid and tasteless are they?
>>3880493Forget kyaro, just read this fucking braindead thread.
>>3880493Despite what you think, kyaro makes the sprites fit much better.
>>3880493It's because they are contrarians that default to thinking mods are always better. These are the kind of people that play emulated games with smear filters.
>>3880534MMPX is the only texture filter that should even be considered for pixel art other than nearest neighbor. Everything else is shit.
>>3880524Just because they fit the new backgrounds doesn't make those sprites good.
>>3880663Doesn't mean the new backgrounds are fine either. It just makes it more tolerable.
>>3880493>>3880534dios mio
>>3880665>Doesn't mean the new backgrounds are fine either. It just makes it more tolerable.You sound like a 14 year old.>>3878949>It's funny how demaster apologists come in here with their normalnigger conformist opinions and get blown the fuck out.If anything, this thread convinced me children are the ones screaming the loudest about how "bad" the remasters are while using god awful mods to """fix""" it with the worst filtering possible.
Most Retarded Post ITT award goes to >>3880695 !!!Nice non-argument retard; your concession is automatically accepted.
>>3880493That looks like SaGa Frontier sprite filtering and people apparently didn't mind those.
>>3880493>>3880702I legitimately wouldn't mind SOME filtering to at least make the sprites more in-line with other assets, but they always seem to go with the worst brute forced approach. These don't look touched up at all. They upcaled. filtered and called it a day.
>>3880704b-but anon, blocky pixels are ugly
>>3880697You're literally defending filter slop. The thing that absolutely everyone has agreed is dogshit and never use since it first appeared. We're talking you unironically thinking this shit >>3880534 looks great. Only a retard or 14 year old could ever think this and they are in the minority since forever.Maybe this site isn't for you, facebook or tiktok is probably more your speed.
>fake suikoden fans being triggered by the remaster for most of the thread just to try and fit inkek
>>3880713Nobody who uses the word "slop" ever said anything of value.
>>3880718Good thing I never used the word. Maybe you'll learn basic reading comprehension in school soon. Now go post on facebook about this ebin filter you just found.
>>3880718>Nobody who uses the word "slop" ever said anything of value.Nice deflection, I accept your concession.
>>3880722>You're literally defending filter slop.You don't even read what you write, lol.
>>3880723Try again with a more coherent train of thought instead of just crying next time.
>>3880726>n-no someone called me out for saying atrocious filters no one has ever liked is actually secretly great!>h-how dare someone say something like that to me, mommy they are mean to me on the internet!Be real, how old are you? You're both immature and like something only someone very young might've grown up with and been more accustomed to since awful filtering in "remasters" from companies is a more recent thing. No one else would like that shit.Filtering sprites is always, without fail, making the sprites worse and mess them up so they don't accurately portray what they are supposed to.You trying to use the meek argument of "it fits better" is a further sign of you being a child, since classic games frequently mixed pre-rendered backgrounds with sprites and 3D models, or 3D backgrounds with sprites.I bet you were real excited about Grandia having sprite filters to make them "fit in better" too, right?Now go ahead and make another immature shitpost, proving you are indeed a child, instead of actually backing up any of the shit you're mouthing off about.
>>3880733You misunderstood the intent of my original post. Ignoring your incessant crying (lol), I was correct in stating that the kyaro mod improves the artistic cohesiveness of the remaster. I still think the remaster inherently looks like shit through and through. Here's an Easter egg4(you), I was the one pointing out how the remaster falls short of the original PSX version ITT, so go read up and you'll see what I mean. Stop lashing out so much, lmao even.
>>3880735>I was correct in stating that the kyaro mod improves the artistic cohesiveness of the remasterIt doesn't. It just makes everything look worse and ruins the look of the characters. You outed yourself as a child. Now go turn on all these terrible vaseline filters for all the games you play, like >>3878171
>>3880750You're a retard with no sense for art direction. The pixel sprites clash with the shitty Photoshop clippings. And BTW, that was my post you quoted at the end. I'M AGREEING WITH YOU, FUCKASS 80IQ NIGGERAPE.
>>3880702From what I understand Frontier sprites were re-rendered from original assets.
>>3881063I wish Frontier 1 was like 2 with the painterly aesthetic
>>3877965fuck you nigger I liked it
>>3877965How in the unholy fuck has no modder implemented this yet? Just downscale the background art and it'll improve the remaster by 10 fold. Despite all the noise and criticism regarding the shitty art, why hasn't KONAMI added a graphics toggle especially for $50? I fucking hate KONAMI and the dogshit "modding community" for refusing to do the one thing the true fans want. Yet we have shit like project Kyaro. Make it make fucking sense.imgsli.com/MzU5NDkwimgsli.com/MzU5NDg4
>>3883478Because modders think smooth filters on the character sprites is better.
>>3877965>Why are these games considered inferior to their original releases?
>>3877965This thread convinced me to buy Suikoden Remastered on sale.
>>3877981>contrarian idiotnigga, you are contrarian idiot here, unless you use the word as generic insult and not by its real meaning which mean you are also retarded
Was that Eiyuden game any good?
>>3884663I've tried many times but either the opening characters are too annoying to be worth dealing with or the translation is too annoying to be worth dealing with. Either way it's got some shit writing.
>>3878856A lot of people were bitching about this on release, is it fixed now, or were people overblowing it this whole time?
