>>3878742
Nigga, by the time this game releases I will be in my fifties, I feel you but I don’t really care, I’m playing GameCube on a $30 handheld from temu and by the time fallout 5 releases I’ll be playing fallout new Vegas remastered on my Tesla neurochip or I’ll just be dead. I don’t care and I’m better than you for it.

>>3878742
Excited to read childless old men complain online about an IP like it's 2008 again, really takes me back

>>3878742
I can understand why everyone is obsessed with it being in New York because MUH FAMOUS LANDMARKS but I don't understand the obsession with New Orleans, of all places, as a location. If you're going to set it in the southeast Florida, and specifically central Florida, seems the better fit. You can play into Florida's already existing reputaion as a place where bizarre and weird shit happens. You get your Gatorclaws or whatever that seems to be the appeal of New Orleans. Bethesda likes theme park games so they have literal theme parks in Orlando, plus juanting over to the coast to see the space center and Daytona. Miami or the Keys could make DLC setpieces. For what Bethesda likes to do with these games, it just seems like a way better setting than NOLA.

>>3878742
Fallout 5 is at least 8 years off, dude.

We're getting remasters of Fallout 3 and New Vegas instead.

>>3878742
Is this about the tv show? Or what caused this rant? I haven't paid attention to it.

>>3878742
>are you excited for a modern Bethesda game
No.

>>3878826
>New Vegas remake
>Third party chink or pajeet studio
>Bethesda oversight
Man the seethe is going to be great.

Microsoft needs to release an update that kills AI niggers on the spot.

>>3878742
Nothing bethesda does is canon so i dont care desu.

>>3878790
I only discuss media with otaku wizards. I'm not going to lower my standards to normalfags. And you shouldn't have to settle either. You're better than them.

>>3878742
Yes I am actually excited and that sounds cool. You will never be a grognard, you are just a larper. You only know what Fallout is because Bethesda saved the franchise. FNV is a boring walkfest that is unfinished because Obsidian are lazy hacks.

>>3878795
Louisiana has a richer history with the civil war. Miami is kind of fucking gay. It's just bright pink and white. May as well say Palm Springs.

>>3878790
Yeah like the other anon said this isn't the 80's or 90's anymore mainstream media is objectively garbage, you're not cool for liking it

>>3880158
>mainstream media is objectively garbage
Normally, my code prompts me to respond with “Stopped reading here” after reading an anon making an allegedly ‘objective’ claim, but yeah, this is pretty much correct.

>>3879115
Miami, my friend, is not Central Florida

>>3878742
I wish they just set another game in the east coast and let us see the societies there develop and advance more, like what Fallout 2 did to 1. It would be interesting to see how the Capital Wasteland is doing now and also see if the Commonwealth has re-established their provisional government since the institute got destroyed.

>>3878742
I still treat Fallout like nothing after 1 is canon - just replay the rebuild once a year and move on. No stupid faction wars drama, no "200-year-old mudhuts with science that can handle energy weapons" settings, no ghosts being canon, no Fallout 76, no tv shows... Just me killing a retard who thinks himself a god over and over again.

>>3881242
>I still treat Fallout like nothing after 1 is canon
Everything is like this.

>>3878742
I don't give a single shit about the NCR. I care more about the shi and vault city than I do about them. They should bring those factions back now that the NCR's power has waned.

>>3881245
Isn't it generally thought that Vault City is part of the NCR now. Also I assumed the NCR is still alive, just not in LA area

>>3878840
outsourced New Vegas 2 - to some studio in Taiwan, not obsidian - would be incredible

>>3881247
Never confirmed or denied.
Vault City is in a nice place where it can be either annexed or be part of NCR, and both outcomes are very likely anyway.
We know that John Bishop died and the Mr. Bishop we hear is the son of the Chosen One. Which puts the whole Vault City subjugation into question because John Bishop was the one orchestrating and paying the merc commandos to do strategic raids to weaken Vault City and allow NCR troops to "secure" the place.
There is also the fact that Vault City can have a special place thanks to one of the Senators (Carlson?) who is coincidently a brahmin baron who protects the autonomy of Vault City.
Vault City in itself can be both more imperialist or reform to a more tolerant society depending on how the player fixed and optimized the plant in Gecko.
Afaik, Vault City is only mentionned in New Vegas in one of Cass ending where she is depressed and dies of a heart attack in a shack in Vault City.

>>3881377
>be part of NCR
Meant independant from NCR, my bad

>>3878742
Bethesda has only ever made one good game with Morrowind. Everything else has been slop trying to capitalize on the same old formula. I couldn't care less what new flavor of slop the goyfeed plant is manufacturing.

what's with all the seethe about ncr being gone? it appeared in like one game and even pre-bethesda writers agreed that it should go

>>3881426
They were in two games. I think people were more so disappointed in how they unceremoniously nuked off screen instead of collapsing from internal issues which was being built up since Fallout 2.

>>3881426
People don’t know how to let Fallout go, so they feel compelled to treat whatever retarded shit that whatever company buys the name comes up with as “canon”.
Reject it.

>>3881429
>They were in two games
yeah, in Fallout 2 and in Remember Fallout 2?

>>3878742
nobody gives a single shit about bethsda games made after fallout 4 look at the cringe ass fallout tv show
all media that is owned by kikes is dead
its literally just propaganda with no redeeming value

>>3881426
I've never liked NCR and I thought most people didn't desu

>>3881426
>could be an interesting part of the setting to explore
>lolno, we nuked them offscreen so that we can jack off our spess marines some more
You don't have to like the NCR to realise it's emblematic of Bethesda's approach to Fallout in general

>>3881247
>>3881377
There's no explicit information about Vault City because it doesn't really come up. That said, we know the state of the world in New Vegas doesn't perfectly follow the endings from Fallout 2 because both the Bishops (led by a son of the Chosen One) and Wrights are still around in New Reno, which is a state that can never occur in any one of the ending slides in F2, so I think it's more likely that they decided to use a combination of various endings for the 'canon' ending we see in New Vegas. I think it's reasonable to infer that Vault City is a part of NCR since Cass is an NCR citizen and returns there in one of her endings, and we know that Redding is part of the NCR by the time of New Vegas (in F2 if you help with the discovery of the cure for Jet addiction and deliver it to Redding doctor, Vault City always annex Redding in the ending), but we don't know the specific circumstances of how it came to join the NCR.

>There is also the fact that Vault City can have a special place thanks to one of the Senators (Carlson?) who is coincidently a brahmin baron who protects the autonomy of Vault City.
Westin, if you fully complete the NCR+Vault City negotiations questline you get an ending where he becomes head of the NCR Council, ratifies Vault City's independence and then ends up retiring to Vault City and marrying the First Citizen. I don't think this ending is 100% canon because it mentions that part of Westin's platform was establishing a limit on the NCR's expansionism which doesn't really fit what we see in New Vegas, but of course there's nothing to preclude Vault City joining the NCR later of its own accord.

Starting to think that Fallout 2 was a mistake.

>>3881797
When's your next game coming out, Chris?

>>3878742
It's crazy to think that the Brotherhood of Steel is the most powerful faction in all of Fallout now. They are the dominant faction in the east coast and now also the pre-eminent faction in the west coast now that the NCR has been nuked, and they possibly still have a presence in the midwest. The power of writer favoritism

>>3881795
Thats the thing, Vault City was an autonomous city-state with great minds, great walls and the best medical tech in the waste. They could only join NCR if the Nuclear Plant leaked or if they were attacked directly by superior firepower and coordinated assault. We would've known that if NCR did that.

If they were annexed, NCR wouldnt rely on the Followers for the OSI and they would have far more ressources when it comes to other problem affecting NCR like energy problem and an incoming drought.

I think Westin's accord seems much more in line with what we know so far of NCR. They may expand but they didnt expand in Vault City controlled states, given how this city controls their population with auto-docs and have near unlimited ressource through nuclear power. They dont need to expand or be imperialist, just an autonomous city-state in the region.
They could've joined NCR later on, but it expose a lot more problem lore wise than anything.
Then again, maybe by annexing them they send their scientist to check things there. Broke everything and just shrug it off and fucked off elsewhere. Who knows, imo both endings are likely.

>>3881876
>Thats the thing, Vault City was an autonomous city-state with great minds, great walls and the best medical tech in the waste.
>They could only join NCR if the Nuclear Plant leaked or if they were attacked directly by superior firepower and coordinated assault. We would've known that if NCR did that.
Actually, the 'default' ending they get (by completing their quests but not triggering Westin's deal or any of the worse endings) is Vault City being absorbed by the NCR peacefully since they're unable to keep up with the NCR's rapid expansion. Vault City does have great minds and medical tech, but it doesn't really take advantage of them - it has one of the most brilliant doctors in the wastes who's entitely capable of developing an antidote to Jet addiction, something he's not even allowed to legally try because access to drugs for any reason is restricted. It also has a stagnating population, has most of its knowledge stuck on a Vault computer that most citizens don't even bother to access, and is extremely reliant on external sources for both resources and labour in the form of indentured servants.

>If they were annexed, NCR wouldnt rely on the Followers for the OSI and they would have far more ressources when it comes to other problem affecting NCR like energy problem and an incoming drought.
What makes you say that? Vault City is just one city, even at the time of Fallout 2 their population is dwarfed by that of the NCR, and that's before the NCR picks up (at the very least) Reno and the Big Circle towns. NCR also has fairly advanced manufacturing and infrastructure - they have the Gun Runners and a functioning power grid, and their top policemen are armed with Gauss Rifles, and in the ending they pick up Vault 15 and rediscover Vault 13.

>>3881876
>>3881887
>they may expand but they didnt expand in Vault City controlled states, given how this city controls their population with auto-docs and have near unlimited ressource through nuclear power.
By the time of Fallout 2 Vault City is already pushing the limits of what it can sustain with its own power generation, which is why they need the extra power from the Gecko plant to do any meaningful expansion (which is why they get absorbed by the NCR if you don't trigger the Westin ending). The only real expansion they do in any case is annexing Gecko or Redding, and we know Redding is part of the NCR.
I mean, I could see Westin's ending being partially canon in the form of Vault City maintaining their independence without annexing Redding and being able to negotiate entry into the NCR on more favourable terms since they're one of the few settlements with anything near comparable strength to the NCR, and leaving Tandi in power and fulfilling the NCR's other goals leads to them expanding peacefully instead of by force. But I don't think his ending is the only canon one, as I said before like with New Reno I think it's more likely they decided on a mix of the different endings for what would be canon.

>>3881797
it would be called a reddit game nowadays

>>3881887
>>3881889
>the 'default' ending
That ending happens only if Westin is dead no? I stand corrected either way.
Wouldnt say that they were annexed peacefully however, more in the same vein of whats actually happening in Vegas. A lot of people unhappy with some resistance but comming to accepting the situation. Never ever heard of a peaceful annexiation but its more left to interpretation since the wording of the ending is more VC joining because they cant face the power against them.
>What makes you say that?
The player can fix and optimize the plant, we know by FNV that they are facing problems they cant really deal with and need the help of freelance scientists since the state sponsored ones arent great. The only scientists and engineers with advanced knowledge are in the followers which they had a falling out by the time of FNV.
Having Vault City annexed would be a very good base of scientists, engineers and doctors to be formed, not only that but the nuclear power plant would give a lot more energy output especially if it optimized than Hoover Dam. We know from the chief scientist Holden that NCR is facing issues regarding energy and farming ressources. Willing to even experiment with experimental V22 stuff that turned people into living plant monsters to help their own issues back home.
>I mean, I could see Westin's ending being partially canon
Completly agree, I personally see a city-state level for Vault City. Not an imperialist force but rather a big and powerful hub that is in the way of NCR in the same way New Reno is with the families still being around and fucking over the governement be it directly like the Van Graffs or by corrupting some senators.
Like I said earlier, both outcome doesnt really change FNV but question some details.

>>3881897
Anything would be a reddit game according to this korean basket weaving forum, I even saw people said the same stuff about Arcanum or VTMB. Fallout 2 was fine at the time and is still a very good game. More stuff to explore and a greater focus on what was fun about Fallout 1, being a wasteland adventurer.

>>3881245
Honestly I feel like something really interesting could be done with The Shi. They're the only faction that gives any perspective on what a non-US culture would look like after the bombs dropped. Stuff that otherwise is purely old world knowledge. Plus I think they have the potential for an interesting dynamic with the BoS, NCR, and Enclave. Just a shame that F2 dropped the ball with their introduction as just being wacky asian people. That and the Hubologists also crowding San Francisco as a location.

>>3881903
>That ending happens only if Westin is dead no? I stand corrected either way.
No problem. You get it as long as you don't meet the requirements for Westin's ending and you don't trigger any of the worse endings (like failing to stop the raiders or fix the Gecko plant). If you're playing with community patches you'll most likely see it if Westin is dead, but the official version of the game is bugged so that it only triggers if you complete the questline but don't collect the reward for it, so most players will see the 'Vault City absorbed by NCR' ending.

>never ever heard of a peaceful annexiation but its more left to interpretation since the wording of the ending is more VC joining because they cant face the power against them.
That's fair. Personally I don't think it's a stretch to think that Vault City would welcome a peaceful integration into the NCR, especially after being helped by the Chosen One to such a degree. They're mostly isolationist because that's the way things have always been for them (not helped by their First Citizen being extremely elitist) and because they view outsiders as barbarians. It would make sense that with increasing contact with outsiders, especially seeing the 'civilized' NCR, the population would become more amenable to a union to keep their living standards high. As I mentioned, despite their isolationist policies they're already highly dependent on the outside for resources.

I don't think it's intended to be framed as a negative ending for Vault City, ending their isolationism one way or the other is what's best in the long run, it's just a matter of how much autonomy they keep when joining the NCR. Contrasted against the ending where they have to ask the NCR for military aid, which is implicitly framed as negative for VC (it describes the NCR as an occupation force)

>>3881903
>>3881922
>Having Vault City annexed would be a very good base of scientists, engineers and doctors to be formed, not only that but the nuclear power plant would give a lot more energy output especially if it optimized than Hoover Dam. We know from the chief scientist Holden that NCR is facing issues regarding energy and farming resources.
That's my point, really. Vault City should be a centre for producing some of the most educated people in the wasteland but it isn't because most citizens are content to live comfortably. They do train medical personnel but that's seemingly as far as it goes; their only really brilliant citizens are their doctor and Valerie with most of their knowledge sitting unused on their Vault computer. If you have the right skills you can talk to Phyllis about VC stagnating both socially and with regards to its population. I don't think it's a stretch to see the NCR overtaking them in knowledge base when they take over Vaults 15 and 13. Regardless, I think the problem the NCR has with finding enough scientists by the time of New Vegas is more to do with their internal politics than anything else - even the best education won't turn a regular person into a genius and they clearly have at least some talented personnel working for them. They're the only faction apart from the Followers who have properly trained medical personnel and they have enough engineers to restore the Dam and keep it running.

>>3881247
>East Coast BoS, NCR's mortal enemy, is pretty much the only power-faction and goes operates a fucking Prydwynn-style airship all over the place
>Nobody mentions the NCR in the BoS ( They are more concerned about the fucking Enclave ) or anywhere else other than some LARPers crying about its demise
>Zero NCR scouts/soldiers anywhere
>Zero NCR scavengers in the Shady Sands crater while random peasants walk past it
>New Vegas is desolate, nor NCR there either

They are alive in your coping deams, Anon.

>>3881903
>>3881926
>but the nuclear power plant would give a lot more energy output especially if it optimized than Hoover Dam
I think you're underestimating the potential power output of something like Hoover Dam, especially in a post-apocalyptic setting and compared to the small-scale Vault reactors. Even if you optimize the Gecko reactor it's only confirmed to be enough to support itself and Vault City's expansion, not the nascent NCR, and it's dependent on uranium from Broken Hills that by the time of New Vegas has run dry. If I were to speculate I'd say that the NCR used Gecko to support their increased demand for power for a time and when it was no longer sufficient or uranium supply became a concern the NCR looked afield which is why they need Hoover Dam.

>completely agree, I personally see a city-state level for Vault City
Yeah, I guess it comes down to the fact we don't really get much detail on how much autonomy or identity each town gets after being absorbed into the NCR, regardless of how it happens.

>>3881927
True. If they do turn out to be alive it will probably be an unofficial retcon made due to fan backlash

>>3881927
Yes but why do you give a shit about tv show lore?

>>3882453
NTA. Cause it's canon now. It's the reason the next game's story will suck even more than it does now. And this show is the reason the next game will kill Fallout for good.

>>3882471
>canon
Different anon, but honestly, who gives a fuck? The next game was never going to be good. Bethesda have not done a single good thing with the property. If the next game is so abysmal it forces them to stop churning out their garbage games it will be a good thing.

>>3881275
>microsoft gives nv2 to obsidian
>outer worlds with nukes

>>3882479
if the next game is bad enough, microsoft might try to squeeze their old games more. more remasters, delisting nv, dmcaing modders or trying to force everyone into walled gardens full of paid mods.

>>3878742
Meh.

They've had several games and spin offs. They could have gone anywhere, but instead they stick to the coasts. New Vegas at least tried the desert. Woo

Fucking A. Let's do fallout Central America or Mexico. Everything is exactly the same as pre war. We can join, or fight against, cartels with power armor. Have chingona big titty chulas as side kicks and fuck buddies. Create the ultimate post apocalyptic drug empire spanning Mexico through Peru. DLC can include Chevy El Camino armor, easter Island expansion (owned by chile), and the big Aztlan expansion where you dominate California and go head to head with the NCR.

So fucking tired of the same old shit. Like, it's boring AF.

>>3878742
With so much time in between titles and 4 76 being so bad I am just treating the Old World Blues mod for HOI 4 as Fallout 5.

I remember buying FO New Vegas and having a special dlc because of the store I bought it from the night it released. I will never buy an AAA game again on day 1. Not even GTA 6. Golden memories and I have come to terms it will never happen again.

Every sci fi trope has been used and Emil needs to be fired. The series is dead when Bethesda is involved but I think there is a FO 1 remake going on in F4 engine. There are other mods and remakes going worth checking out.

I would love to see a fan made sequel to Fallout Tactics. With it being non canon I trust the fans to make a better story than Bethesda.

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>>3878742
this >>3878781

I dont care about modern gaming.
Its all shit.

>>3878742
No, I really do not care for mongrelwashed shit