>>3880612
>rpg forum recommendation or community forum
rpgcodex. stick to general RPG discussion for your own good

>>3880616
>stick to general RPG discussion for your own good

why?

>>3880612
Kiddo. For starters, aren't you a little young to be on 4chan? For seconds, Skyrim, Witcher and Cyberpunk are not RPGs. For thirds, stay in school, your spelling, punctuation and grammar are fucking awful. For fourths, get off 4chan before we tell your mommy.

>>3880647
this place is awful

>>3880647
at least can you give me some Real RPGs

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>>3880654
here's a meme image that doubles as recommendations

>>3880656
There's a couple fun games on there but a lot of them are total garbage.

>>3880656
much love
>>3880657
well i'm kinda casual so doesn't bother me that much

>>3880656
what do these self proclaimed elitist like by the way?

>>3880612
>RPG games
Retard

>>3880658
if you're casual then try the shadowrun games. the first game was ported into the second as a user campaign. i recommend that for improved ui
>>3880660
probably the typical golden era games from ~95-03

>>3880675
>probably the typical golden era games from ~95-03
04
VTMB released in 04 and it's the best game ever made

but yeah this is not just the gaming golden age
it's general western society golden age
everything was better including all types of media
even kike infested Hollywood produced masterpieces those days
gaming was better both because of general society prosperity and because it was more niche and the jews hadn't yet gotten hold of it

the world was at its peak from 1989-2001
fall of the USSR till 9/11

with 9/11 people agreed to give away their freedom and live in Big Brother dystopia for some jewish psyop
it all went downhill since then

even if 9/11 was real as benjamin Franklin said
>Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Welcome to today

Obviously there's CRPGG, the CRPG General in vidya generals. A lot of them are faggots, but what's new, amirite. All of the Infinity Engine games are excellent. That's the Baldur's Gate Series, Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment. BG2 is the best one, imo. Darkest Dungeon is a pretty cool little game. Avernum: Escape from the Pit is great. The Avernum series is probably just as good.

>>3881113
interesting what you said about the media and 9/11 and the jews. is this true? never heard people talk about this. how media peaked in the late 80s to early 00s. i would love to hear more from you.

>>3880656
Atom RPG sucks ass. All of you rpgcodex slavs baited me into playing that horseshit. I still managed to finish it but I would have definitely dropped it if I wasn't a huge Fallout 1/2 fan.

>>3881239
>All of you rpgcodex slavs

is everyone here is pretentious and should love these games >3880656

and post on 4chan about how cool they are so he can get 4chan approval, and feels he's above all.

is that the case? or are these games /vrpg praising is actually good?

>>3881246

>>3880656

>>3881113
>vtmb
>best game ever made
It has some of the best atmosphere, immersion, and dialogue, but it's definitely not the best

>>3881246
BG3: Shit
DOS2: Fun
DOS1: OK
WotR: OK
Kingmaker: Fun
PoE1: OK
Deadfire: OK
Disco: Not an RPG
Solasta: OK
Shadowrun returns: OK
Dragonfall: Fun
Shadowrun Hong Kong: OK
Wasteland 2: OK
Wasteland 3: Shit
AoD: OK
Battle Brothers: Not an RPG
Haven't played the others, can't comment on those.

>>3881251
what do think about what i said? do most people here like this?

>>3881251
>Disco: Not an RPG
You're retarded

>>3881251
and also why didnt you like bg3?

>>3881256
yall just love to fight each other about who knows more

pretentious people. what is the definition of an rpg?

>>3881256
It's a point-and-click adventure game, zoom zoom. They were popular in the early-mid 90s, before you were born.
>>3881257
>and also why didnt you like bg3?
Because it's shit. Have you played it? It's a fantastic litmus test, if someone thinks it's great they're most likely a retard with poor taste.

>>3881261
>Because it's shit. Have you played it? It's a fantastic litmus test, if someone thinks it's great they're most likely a retard with poor taste.

god damit i hate this pretentious community. yall fight for the stupidest things. ive played bg3 but couldn't continue my pc couldnt handle act3. i agree with you that the game have technical issues if you were to bring that up. but overall gameplay and story everything speaks for it self it's a great game.

>>3881261
>It's a point-and-click adventure game, zoom zoom
It's not. Funny you call me a zoomer when you don't even understand how point and click adventures work.
Usually point and click adventures don't have several skills and skill checks, and are focused on solving puzzles with items.
Also they, more often than not, let you interact with the environment with different actions (talk, grab, use, pull etc.)
None of these things apply to DE.

>>3881265
so he's a pretentious then?

>>3881261
I’ll give you a more thorough answer re: BG3:
Positive: turn-based tactical combat, high production values. Good graphics, animations, music. Occasional moments of cool level design
Neutral: 5th edition is the shittiest most dumbed-down edition of DnD yet (not Larians fault)
Negative: Larian homebrewed 5th ed to be even worse, somehow. Interface is a direct downgrade from DOS2, worse tooltips, worse inventory management. Terrible story, terrible writing, one of the worst cast of characters of all time. Every reference to BG1 and 2 was an insult. Memey itemization of gay sets to build up charges, nothing memorable or unique or legendary. Lvl 12 cap is retarded given what you fight. Devs cut half of act 3 and lied about it. Theme park world jam packed with garbage to trip over every 5 feet. Boring encounter design full of trash mobs. Devs promised “17,000 ending permutations”, game launched with… 3 endings? Maybe 4? Didn’t even have ending slides, literally 30 year old technology. Game is absolutely chock full of woke garbage that is offensive to any sentient human bean. Black dwarves black elves, half of humanity is from Chult, game lectures you about xenophobia and dindu “refugees” for 2/3rds of the game, communist squirrels, etc.
Shit game.

>>3881267
im not that hardcore of a fan but i hope you find peace

>>3881269
Shut the fuck up, ESL namefag.

>>3881270
question please answer honestly. why do most people here love to fight and repress each other?

>>3881265
RPGs are descended from tabletop tactical combat wargames. Disco Elysium is not an RPG. I’ve played and finished it, and I’ve also played a shitload of point and click adventure games in the 90s. It’s an adventure game. You walk around talking to people and solving puzzles, including using inventory items to interact with the world, to facilitate solving problems. The fact that it’s not on the SCUMM engine with an interface bar showing your commands is irrelevant.
I didn’t even say it was a bad game, you were just offended that I said it wasn’t an RPG (which it’s not) because you like the game and perceived me as attacking it.

>>3881269
>im not that hardcore of a fan but i hope you find peace
Ignore the first reply, that wasn’t me. You too buddy. Hope you find some games you like and have fun. Happy Thanksgiving.

>>3881273
thanks anon <3

>>3881272
It's an RPG (it has stats and skill checks and different builds, things that aren't typical for point and click adventure games.) You're being a dishonest lying cunt.

>>3881276
>You're being a dishonest lying cunt.
Man, I was even gonna be magnanimous and throw you a bone and say “despite not being an RPG, I still had fun playing it and I think it’s worth one playthrough, though I found it suffers on a second playthrough” but now you just sound like a salty fanboy. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they’re lying. I’ve been sincere and honest in this whole conversation, but you know what, fuck it, hope you have a good Thanksgiving too buddy (that’s a holiday we have here in America where we mourn the fall of Constantinople in 1453 by roasting a turkey) and that you also have fun playing games you like. if you want some recs, I’d start with Indiana jones and the fate of Atlantis, Sam and max hit the road, day of the tentacle, and monkey island 1
Peace

>>3880656
Tot is good?

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>>3880656
ATOM is fucking dogshit my man. It's an almost complete mechanical clone of Fallout 2 and coasts entirely on the strength of that, whatever things they did their own way didn't land. This wouldn't be so bad if the content wasn't a mess of references, stale cliches and empty locations with nothing but rats wearing different skins. It's also a game that bears an incredibly hard to get distinction of being worse in its native language (although that is debatable given that TL added even more shitty references). Trudograd is more of the same. Encased is literally 20% of the game. The less said about Obsidian games the better. That's not getting into how some of the games on here are 10+ years old now (last Shadowrun's release was in 2015, natch). Some fucking golden age alright.

>>3880612
POE put a lot of useless NPCs in who are basically people who financially backed the game, I think there is a mod that removes them.

>>3880612
Deadfire
tyranny
wasteland 2 and 3
planescape torment
dragon age origins
arcanum
vtmb
mass effect

>>3881269
Ignore the first two replies and go fuck yourself.

>>3880620
just don't follow that advice
it's dead and the posters who were worth a damn reading are long gone and only a handful of /pol/tarded morons are left who aren't actually rpg enthusiasts and their rpg knowledge is laughable
every internet discussion about any form of pop/conusmer-culture is damned to be filled with <100IQ retards voicing their worthless uneducated opinion because
>hey I play videogames [watch movies / read pulp fiction] everyday, that must mean I'm an expert on videogames [movies / literature]!
but rpgcuckdex is truly cursed in attracting the lowest of dumb being one of the few places on the internet you can still say 'nigger' and not be banned

>>3881224
>Obviously there's CRPGG, the CRPG General in vidya generals
is it still full of waifufaggetory spam?
is that german retard who wasted his personal time months on end to ensure DE is not included in the OP as a crpg still posting?

>>3881422
You have a degree in RPGs from Reddit university?

>>3881272
>RPGs are descended from tabletop tactical combat wargames
nta but table top rpgs have expanded and evolved since chainmail days anon
DE is perfectly in line with an entire sub-genre of tabletop RPGs
in fact obviously borrowed core mechanics are sticking out like a sore thumb

>>3881427
your mom still has my cum in her mouth, cuckdexer?

>>3881422
What makes a poster /pol/tarded in the context of RPGs?

>>3881428
It’s a point-and-click adventure game that borrowed stats and skill checks from
RPGs. Many such cases.

>>3881251
>BG3: Shit
>DOS2: Fun
They're the same fucking game.

>>3881440
nah nigger, it's borrowing not only the games mechanics from an entire sub-genre of table top rpgs but the entire gameplay loop as well
so it's crpg in the full sense of being a computer adaptation of a tabletop rpg

actually fuck that!
what you call a "point and click adventure game" aspects were integral to RPGs going all the way back to od&d and chainmail days
>you pass through a hall with torches on each side, each torch shaft is made of metal and is roughly 3 feet long
>and you end up in a dead-end room with 4 statues
>*players inspect the statues*
>you notice two things, there are scratch marks on the surface by the statues as if something heavy was moved, and the statues have deep round shaped holes looking in four directions
>*players try to push the statues but they don't budge*
>*one player asks if the torches' shafts width matches the holes in the statues?*
>Yes!
>*players take the torches of the wall, insert them into the holes and rotate the statues*
>A secret door has opened!
that's a pillar of a ttrpg gameplay right here, and yes, traditional point&click games are rooted in ttrpgs puzzle-solving aspects

>>3881445
>nah nigger
Stopped reading here.

>>3881425
I dunno. Doubtful it's changed.

>>3881272
>RPGs are descended from tabletop tactical combat wargames
That would be CRPGs, anon. RPG is a genre that encompasses anything to do with "role-playing"

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>this thread

Ah finally, the "what is RPG" thread9. I approve containing it here.

>>3881440
>point-and-click adventure
Every game is a point and click adventure.

>>3881454
>That would be CRPGs, anon. RPG is a genre that encompasses anything to do with "role-playing"
All RPGs are descended, invariably, from tabletop roleplaying games, which are descended from tabletop tactical wargames. The entire reason “CRPG” has the modifier “computer” was to distinguish them from “RPG”, which at the time meant tabletop roleplaying game.

>>3881458
>Every game is a point and click adventure.
Text adventure games aren’t point and click adventures

>>3881459
I too am subscribed to neverknowsbest

>>3881435
they say things like
>Game is absolutely chock full of woke garbage that is offensive to any sentient human bean. Black dwarves black elves, half of humanity is from Chult, game lectures you about xenophobia and dindu “refugees” for 2/3rds of the game, communist squirrels, etc.
I find the rpg section of RPGcodex to be good for finding new RPGs (often self promoted) but the discussions are a bunch of doomers who don't like games

>>3881462
Is that some zoomer thing?

quest to glory games are more of an RPG than disco elysium

>>3881467
I forgot to mention the non-binary feminine penises, the vitiligo slider, and how they changed the default human to be a negress barbarian with 8 INT (is that a net plus or negative to their ESG score?)

>>3881467
Someone's opinions about RPGs are invalid because they don't like it how Baldur's Gate 3 looks and feels like a liberal arts campus in California on Halloween?

>>3881493
pretty much. normal people don't care about these things so it comes off as weird to care so much.

>>3881495
>normal people don't care about these things so it comes off as weird to care so much
Thank you for agreeing that normal people don't want that shit in the game, and that the abnormal people should stop insisting shoving their garbage, that no one wants, into everything.

>>3881462
... no. That anon was correct. Be quiet, little boy, the adults are talking.

>>3881457
>"what is RPG"
I know em when I see em.

>>3881493
absolutely
because they are putting their agenda first, product quality last
it's no different than some leftoid is saying a game is bad because a game doesn't feature gays or whatever

also the /pol/tards of cuckdex made sure no one would ever take them seriously
they made new accounts to vote 1 for "woke" games when voting for codex game of the year just so BG3 wouldn't get first place (because it would have was it not for 1 spamming by newlyregs), which resulted in a mediocre already forgotten non-RPG (specifically a tactical game with some rpg elements) being codex rpg of the year

that's all you need to know

>>3881512
>because they are putting their agenda first, product quality last
Again, thank you for echoing my point.

>>3881514
>he said with a smug smirk after tipping his fedora with a "Reddit" pin-on
maybe, maybe not
what's the point exactly? I'm not reading the entire thread

>>3881512
Well I myself found that the product quality was substantially decreased because of the woke. Lots of people clearly can immerse themselves in a world that's full of American left-wing political signalling, whereas I find that stuff ridiculous, unbelievable, and off-putting. Divinity Original Sin is one of my favourite games, but I couldn't even finish Baldur's Gate 3. I guess that makes me /pol/tarded.

>>3881516
>what's the point exactly? I'm not reading the entire thread
That the developers of BG3 detracted from the quality of the game by awkwardly shoehorning modern political propaganda into the game in a clumsy and immersion-breaking fashion, because it sticks out like a sore thumb and it’s obvious what they’re doing and why.
Anon then disagreed with me, stating that
>normal people don't care about these things so it comes off as weird to care so much
and
>because they are putting their agenda first, product quality last
which is precisely my argument for why such crap shouldn’t be added to the game.

>>3881518
and you being in the minority makes your criticism baffling to most people. It's like being a realismfag and complaining about left handed guns in a FPS game that 99% of players don't notice. try more universal criticisms like the choices/consequences or shitty 5e ruleset instead of black people and feminine penises, or you'll be ostracized

>>3881519
oh, I see good luck developing your reading comprehension skills then

>>3881518
I hated DOS2 with a fucking raging passion because it's a fucking awful game. Like. The gameplay explerience of playing the game.
I fucking hate BG3 because it's DOS2 using D&D 5e and I didn't even believe it was possible to find a worse game system / ruleset than DOS2 but apparently they found a way.
BG3's writing is lazy, sloppy, trite and juvenile. The environments were pretty enough for a simple, tiny little tactical combat rpg but the character costumes for players were crazy limited and just ugly most of the time.

The only thing in there that might be close to "woke" was the cliché dommy muscle mommy red barbarian bitch, but I killed her as soon as I encountered her so I never had to deal with it. I killed Shart because she's an ugly and annoying cunt. I liked all the guys, though Astarian was skating on thin ice because I am not your fucking therapist, you rotten bloodsucking parasite. Romance is not enduring your toxic shit fixing you through dialogue after you try to convert me into an undead monster... just ... y'know... for the record.

That's not "woke", though. That's just a few annoying cliche characters. It's ok to not like characters. The game has actual real flaws and design failures, guys. You can't just blame it all on politics. Politics is not why you roll your eyes when you encounter a shallow cliché. Politics is not why you don't appreciate being exploited, manipulated and verbally abused. That's just normal. Stop blaming "woke" for shit and develop some media literacy.

>>3881524
I didn't like DOS2 either. The first one is the one for me. If you think Karlach is the only woke part of BG3, you live in a bubble. I myself didn't even mind her that much. She fit the world.

>>3881530
If you think seven foot tall hyper-muscular, aggressive, bombastic demon women with bombs in their chests (it's a little weird by the way that there were TWO companions with magical bombs in their chests, by the way...) are perfectly normal, you live in a bubble.
What did you draw the line around? What didn't fit the world where that demon amazon was perfectly fine? I'm asking you to tell me what specific thing was just too garish? What stood out as implausible to you?

You know that gay people exist in real life, right? Demon amazons don't. Like. Demon dommy mommies don't exist in real life even though you're attracted to her. You know that, right? I feel like this is the actual sticking point for you. The thing you're dancing all around trying so desperately to avoid directly talking about.

>>3881533
NTA but you are clearly being deliberately obtuse.

>>3881442
old gud new bad

>>3881502
I’m not saying he’s wrong I’m saying it’s parroted from NKBs script word for word

>>3881524
I killed that bloodsucking faggot when I woke up to him not just doing gay shit to me in my sleep but also draining my life force maybe turning me into a gay vampire or some shit. He gave me his pity party bullshit and I said cool bro and stabbed him to death.

I kinda stopped playing not long after that, environments are all the same, none of the side characters resemble anything close to a real human so I don’t really care about helping them, and I just know the game is going to punish me for killing Astarion because they didn’t bother writing my character, supporting character, or otherwise any reaction to me killing him. That story just ended, because I made the wrong choice in the eyes of the developers

>>3880657
Have you ever wondered how come you can't get a majority consensus on which specific ones are fun and which specific ones are total garbage? Like, do you ever just wonder about that?

>>3881251
Wasteland 3 is way better than Wasteland 2, it's fucking awesome. It's a small group tactics game, not really an RPG but it's fucking awesome.

>>3881636
Wasteland fucking rules man. I prefer wasteland 2 over 3 almost entirely because 3 was just too short and the dlcs are just shy of middling quality. Wasteland 4 can’t come soon enough

>>3881619
Like I said, is this some zoomer shit? No one knows what the fuck you’re talking about.

>>3881628
>Have you ever wondered how come you can't get a majority consensus on which specific ones are fun and which specific ones are total garbage?
Yes, because taste is subjective. Some people will enjoy the games I disliked, and some people will dislike the games I enjoyed, for a variety of reasons, both good and bad.
I thought this was implicit but allow me to explicate: “the preponderance of games on that list are, in my subjective opinion, of low quality, and thus if the image macro’s maker believes these average-to-low-quality games are “a literal golden age”, then that implies that said maker is most likely young, inexperienced, lacking a proper frame of reference, and in general, lacks good taste. In my subjective opinion.”
I thought this was obvious from the context and that simply stating “most of these games are shit” would be adequate to convey my intended meaning, but here we are on /vrpg/.

>>3881467
Ah ok thanks so you're retarded and they're actually based. That's what I figured. Indeed if a RPG did have black elves and dwarves when they're supposed to have their own different races like Drow, that would be extremely stupid. I'll check the site out.

How can i delete this thread. this is the most toxic shit i've ever done on the internet. sorry guys.

>>3881704
Literally not a single person cares or has hurt feelings or will even remember the thread in precisely 48 hours at the very most.

>>3881711
so this is normal on 4chan then?

>>3881714
Yes. You can’t have a grudge against an anonymous person.

>>3881718
You were right until
>You can’t have a grudge against an anonymous person
You have no idea the med worthy schizos I've seen.

>>3881732
They have a grudge against an idea of a person. An idea of a person is nothing. Reality is tangible and constantly dying and being replaced. None of this could possibly matter, ever.

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>>3881692
>Indeed if a RPG did have black elves and dwarves when they're supposed to have their own different races like Drow, that would be extremely stupid
One cannot help but notice how the surface races are exclusively the race-swapped ones, while the underdark races remain phenotypically homogeneous. Curious, indeed.

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Reposting this to get my money's worth from the time I spent calculating these.
BG1 has 25 companions, with a mean strength of 13.35. The 95% confidence interval spans from 12.01 to 14.69. Of the 10 high-str outliers, 80% are male and 20% are female, while of the 9 low-str outliers, 33% are male and 67% are female.

BG2 has 16 companions, with a mean strength of 14.33. The 95% confidence interval spans from 12.44 to 16.22. Of the 7 high-str outliers, 100% are male, and 0% are female, while of the 5 low-str outliers, 40% are male, and 60% are female.

BG3 has 10 companions, with a mean strength of 12. The 95% confidence interval spans from 9.44 to 14.56. Of the 3 high-str outliers, 0% are male, and 100% are female, while of the 3 low-str outliers, 100% are male, and 0% are female.

>>3881743
Haha, yeah after playing through the game before and after installing one of those rpg hq visuals mods, it becomes so much less jarring and feels a lot more like its own self contained world while using the mod. But it is a real shame that one has to fix something like that themselves.

>>3881744
Lol, not something that I noticed having only played bg3 but that is silly how it is such a complete turnaround.

>>3881704
How about you delete yourself instead, namefag?

>>3880612
It took me 25 years to realize that, it is not that there aren't any good RPG games - maybe that is the actual case - but it's that I don't like RPG games. I really hate RPG games. Too much yapping, too much autistic retardation and every NPC is just the tulpa of an emotionally stunted idiot.
I bought a controller and discovered that action games and platformers are actually real games, good games. Fuck RPGs man.

>>3881744
>making a line graph from three data points
based

>>3880612
If you like first person RPGs more and dont care what a “real” rpg is i recommend system shock 2, deus ex, boiling point road to hell, oblivion and forgotten city (originally a skyrim mod).
Also if you are interested in games like Diablo, grim dawn is a must.

>>3881890
Your post summarises E33 and BG3.

>>3880656
Tower of Time mentioned!

>>3882096
Those are definitely among the worst I have played. E33 I only got to the second act or whatever, when more shitskin was introduced in an already "french" party - gook, jew, mystery mongrel and a little girl.
At least BG3 never did any bait and switch, it just pushed the turd in your face and told you to sniff it.

>>3883027
>At least BG3 never did any bait and switch, it just pushed the turd in your face and told you to sniff it.
Kinda. I really liked the early access when it first came out, but the release version was garbage. And they bait and switched Daisy with muh emperor.

>>3880656
Several of these are absolutely terrible. What a trash image.

>>3880654
Look, first go old school and see how you like it: NWN w/ some QoL mods for example.

Try Dragon Age: Origins as well.

Give BG1 and BG2 a try (skip the steaming pile of shit called BG3). Try Planescape out. Tyranny is pretty interesting when it comes to story decisions.

Obviously play modded Morrowind and Oblivion. Enteral is an incredible total conv mod for Skyrim.

Dark Messiah of Might and Magic is great (though a little difficult).

Give Wizards and Warriors a try, same for Wizardry 8.

Play some Arx Fatalis. Tainted Grail came out recently, have a look.

>>3881890
You sound emotionally stunted. Maybe it'd be healthy for you to engage with characters trying to develop themselves and work on their emotions...

>>3883200
Oh and ofc, Pathfinder, Drakensang, the old Vampire masquerade games and an ode to the classics: Grimoire.

Could go on with more, but this should keep you busy for a bit until you figure out what you like

>>3881261
This, Larian should've gone to prison for such a scam

>>3883200
Don't bother with BG1. Just go straight to BG2EE and install a few mods for it to smooth out some of the 2nd editionisms.
>>3880654
Owlcat's two Pathfinder games and their Rogue Trader game. Dark Heresy is coming soon. They don't need many mods. Call Of The Wild for Kingmaker, mostly. Toybox for all three.
Of course Earthbound. Final Fantasy 6 is probably a little bit too juvenile to really stand the test of time, but since you're a kid it's probably good for you to know where things come from.
And Underrail. Once you're old enough to be able to sit still for a minute or two at a time.

>>3881261
The only people who think BG3 is great are the sorts of people who stop at Starbucks every day to get a pumpkin spice latte, and they think the point of "playing D&D" is to come up with the most randumb "funny" thing to do in response to whatever the GM just said. As if it were some kind of improv charades / Who's Line Is It Anyway activity while you're too drunk to stand up.

The kind who blurt out "I ROLL TO SEDUCE THE DRAGON!!!" Or "lol one orange braincell~" when the family cat enters the room. To them, the chaotic colors and slutty characters posing and snarking at each other is just endlessly fascinating. A sitcom that never really ends. They loved F.R.I.E.N.D.S. without even one moment of self-reflection or critical evaluation.

>>3881704
You haven't even "done" anything "on the internet" before, kid. You can't even capitalize or punctuate properly. We are all watching you make a fool of yourself in a place you should not even know the existence of. Get the fuck out before we call your mom and tell her you're gooning over lolis on 4chan.

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I spent dozens of hours playing Inquisitor but never had a chance to actually finish it. I should try a new run.

>>3880612
I've decided to play the FF Pixel Remaster in order. Really gives you an appreciation for the basics and that sort of "explore till you run out of resources" gameplay loop that vanished in modern times. If you don't use quicksave that is to be close to the original intent. It was rebalanced with things like intelligence actually working as a stat for FF1 anyway, nice on the eyes, QoL features etc but still a decent challenge. (Not that FF1 was that hard but still)

I think it's a good starting point if you want to experience a starting point for the classics that not so archaic that a modern gamer can't relate. I could also suggest the gold box set but it's more archaic by a good bit. The DQ remakes might be a way to go, Trials of Mana I can def. recommend.

If ultra modern stuff is boring you with immersion breaking wokeshit and difficulty that was tuned down every generation since Rogue and Nethack for modern pleb console audiences retro might be the way for you to learn better appreciation for the genre is what I'm really trying to say. Emulate an SNES wizardry etc.

>>3881824
Nice, I'll have to get that. Removing black elves and dwarves in a game where duergar and drow exist would be a worthy reassertion of the original D&D/LOTR kino.

Did it get banned by wokies off the larian installer?

>but muh history muh black people exist
Sorry wokies, this is fantasy, and they were Norse mythology in the first place. Don't culturally appropriate now.

>>3881524
It's funny that you have such bad taste, are a borderline schizophrenic insofar as the anger and seethe working into your preconceived notions and also are incapable of acknowledging that woke exists, or are just disingenuously stupid enough to believe that anyone would believe your protestations of said woke facts.

BG3 certainly does have wokeshit, it's also a great game.

Politics is why I roll my eyes when I cast the disguise self in BG3 and see a list of words that normal people don't use but queers do i.e. "masc/femme"
Politics is why they consulted the DEI chart to balance the surface races with black elves and dwarves as mentioned before.
Politics is why you have immigration subtext all throughout act I.

DO2 and BG3 are both great games though, ones that pushed this genre into a new region with tactical verticality and the elemental combos. As well as just an insanely higher production value and interactivity all around.

BG3 actually has a relatively low woke quotient, for example all the PCs are playersexual. The actual queer community hates this as they would prefer white straight people to suffer, also see: DA2, 3, and Deadname.

It does have that reddit/tabletop thing going on with quips and whatnot which I can see how it annoys people, but Larian was like that before in DOS2 which was not woke at all. That tends to dovetail since wokies and that crowd have a lot of overlap but not always.

You can pretend that woke things don't exist every day for years all over these forums if you wish, but it just makes you look like an idiot to the rest of us. For years.

>>3883200
Seconding Tainted Grail although it had underbake issues in the latter half of act 2 when I tried it. Devs are not quitters for sure though.

But damn that game is kino, like Skyrim + but Black/Death Metal in place of modernized corpo slop.

>>3883217
>It's funny that you have such bad taste, are a borderline schizophrenic insofar as the anger and seethe working into your preconceived notions
>BG3 certainly does have wokeshit, it's also a great game.
I think you're done here. You may leave.

>>3883215
FF1 was definitely hard in its original version. It used Vancian spell slots, for example. For another, there were common groups of nine enemies who would petrify victims if they hit. And that meant you had to one-shot them all with your black mage or else it was a game over. And due to the spell slots system, it meant you could survive four encounters with them before you would game over after meeting the fifth. So you had to do the dungeon several times in order to get in and teleport out before you encountered five of those groups of petrifying enemies (usually cockatrices of various kinds, but also basilisks, for example).

Is that hard or just shitty game design? In those days, that's just how games were expected to be.

>>3883225
Here is the one weird trick I am using to counter that sort of BS:
1 war, 1 whm, 2 blm

My spell slots are going up exponentially, and I'm not even using ethers yet, just tents. If one BLM doesn't get them, the other sure will.

>hard or shitty design
It was both in fact IMO, harder leaning toward closer lineage to wizardry/ultima times, and shitty because INT didn't used to scale in the original.

>>3883231
That party is gonna suffer on bosses without the sustained damage output of a monk.

>>3883233
Negative because temper stacks and opening round is 2 tempers, then a haste, and a third temper if I want.

I one shotted astos already. Obscenely fun party.

>>3883220
Except that I'm better than you in every way.

>>3880656
>Encased
you can argue however you want about the others since it's a matter of taste, but this game is just plain unfinished beyond the first act.

>>3881251
>Battle Brothers: Not an RPG
are you retarded?
>BG3: Shit
>DOS2: Fun
i guess the answer is yes. if you argued any other combo - both being shit/good or bg3 being better - i'd buy it, but when you argue that the clearly lesser of two similar titles is much better you have to be retarded.

>>3881893
dWoke/dT

>>3883205
>Don't bother with BG1. Just go straight to BG2EE
This is really terrible advice, on both points.

>>3883217
>BG3 actually has a relatively low woke quotient
Stopped reading here

>>3880612
A basic list:
BG 1 and 2
IWD 1 and 2
Ultimas 4-7
Planescape Torment
Ultima Underworld 1 and 2
Wasteland 2 and 3
Deus Ex
Kingmaker and PoE are fine
I never got into blobbers but I understand that is a pretty rich vein if you like them.

RPGcodex gets a lot of hate on here but you can find discussions on there on a pretty wide assortment of games old and new, obscure and popular. It is a decent way to find out about RPGs coming out or you may have missed. The quantity of non-JRPG games that get discussed on this board is relatively small: Fallouts, Elder scrolls, some others will get a thread here and there but in the final analysis this is not a great place to learn about new (to you) and interesting RPGs.

>>3883234
>Except that I'm better than you in every way.
Yeah, we all believe you. Keep telling us, though, in case we ever forget.

>>3883201
At least you're too dumb to realize just how dumb you are

>>3880612
>played cyberpunk but never got to the kino where you actually get to see the themes of the plot finally come together
I feel like this is a "you did it to yourself" moment. Anyway, you should play the Blood and Wine expac for Witcher 3.
Play Disco Elysium or the classic Planescape

>>3880656
>Tyranny
This game actually got snubbed so hard. Much better premise, art style, writing, setting and degenerate sex than Pillars but it had to be rushed to basically cut the last 30-40% of the game. Pretty tragic. The portrait system didn't help either

>>3884293
That doesn't even make sense, anon. God damn, I despise you and even I am feeling pity for you out of the intensity of second-hand embarrassment you're evoking within me.

>>3884431
Hard disagree. It was shallow, vapid and poorly designed in terms of mechanics, too. There were virtually no characters in the game, it was just a hallway of meaningless combat encounters. Environments were bland or even just blank. The setting had no information about it and you had no reason to fucking care about the few "plot" points that tried to happen. Meanwhile you're adventuring with a guy who literally shits himself and a borderline non-verbal amazon cunt who can't actually do anything. The magic system was an amateurish half-assed implementation of various systems' syntactic / word magic, and NONE of the spells you could concoct were worth the action economy of using them.
That game was sloppy steaming feces dripping from Barik's countertenor-whining pussy.

>>3884487
wtf I love Obsidian now

>>3884211
Codex lets their political leanings do their thinking for them if they voted against BG3 for game of the year, which I wasn't keeping track of but that is just dumb of them considering the competition.

Codex also has a lot of RPG knowledge, enough knowledge to code and host woke removal mods in PF: Wrath for example. Quality mod which even goes as far as voicework and 2d art to counter some genderswaps and (normal) pronoun swaps. Technically impressive mod even if you hate conservative politics. Which the left will never admit and banned hosting it but I can admit BG3 is a good game.

But mechanically speaking they are much more adept than this board. Most here can't hold a mechanical conversation and have never contributed to a guide or anything like that they just get all their info from codex and guides second hand.

I can hate leftists and all they fuck up RPGs with constantly but still acknowledge quality mechanics, production values, voice work etc. My aversion to leftist politics shitting up RPGs doesn't rule my brain.

Multiple things can be true at once. Grognards on codex let their gatekeeping go to their head a lot, you know a few of them are here by the way they spit blood about BG3, me I enjoy BG3 and also dunking on the bad influence of leftist trash here so I choose here over there for light and fun RPG discussion.

>>3884211

Best blobbers start with Eye of the Beholder goldbox though, and Ravenloft goldboxes are no slouch for immersion.
That is if you want something a bit easier and less archaic than OG Wizardries. I don't like going further back in Wizardry than the SNES versions myself which were pixel kino.

>>3883233
Update: (I shouldn't call it a literal one shot) but I hit Vampire for 470 something on round 2 and the fight was over before he got to do a real move.

Rod of earth acquired and I'm heading into the real petrification zone now between busy with work and my girl. I'll keep this updated if the thread lives.

>>3884500
Yeah I just lurk on codex when I want to try and find a new game I've never heard of. This place is okay when you can find a thread not about niptrash or Bethesdaslop. Only very rarely do I learn about some interesting game I'd never seen before here.

>>3881238
well he's correct

>>3880612
Well OP, I can assure you, the quest for finding an actually good RPG is like finding the Holy Grail. Not a single one exists, yet everyone can't so talking about amazing RPGs. I have yet to find an RPG that's worth the hype or nostalgia from when it was supposedly good back in the day. No Fallout 1 or 2 isn't good. Baldurs Gate series is trash. Other RPGs people will spit out are over hyped or boring trash.

Playing through Borderlands 1 again was okay, but then it's like "Whelp... that was short lived."

Dark Souls might be the closet thing to a good RPG, but the RPG is little busted at times and rage inducing. I wouldn't call it much of open world RPG. I guess Elden Ring, never player it though. Don't care too. Idk man, RPGs are something I wish was good, but their not.

>>3880647
People who use the word "Kiddo" are always pieces of shit and think they hold some sort of higher power because of their age. Stfu kid

>>3884211
All those games are trash. They're not good. I've played them. Not fun, boring, clunky, and super gay.

>>3886392
>Dark Souls might be the closet thing to a good RPG
Dark souls is arpg at best and contrary to what most rpg's are.
That you like it just means rpg's aren't for you.

>>3886394
>going from "you're old" to "you're young" in the span of two sentences

>>3886392
>the quest for finding an actually good RPG is like finding the Holy Grail. Not a single one exists
Yes. I find it ridiculous how RPGs have these very dedicated and "elitist" communities with strict opinions on RPGs.

I got the impression that maybe there exists great RPGs, and that's why nothing else satisfies these standards.

>>3886401
Maybe rpgs aren't for you.

>>3886394
Kiddo, you said it well! >>3886528
Maybe, kiddo, maybe. Getting to old for it. As I'm closing 21, I've seen all there is, kiddo.

>>3886394
If you don't think age does give power and authority due to experience, you're a fucking child.

>>3884482
I see you're compensating by playing a bit with creative writing. Good monkey

>>3884487
None of this is true btw, dunno why someone would do this, except for (You)s.

>>3887046
Well except the part of Barik having to shit himself for being encased in a living suit of armor.

>>3887048
It would make you wonder what else was accurate in there. Except I guess we don't have to wonder since some of us played it, so we can agree with that assessment while having a good basis for doing so.
Which I do. Tyranny fucking sucked. That's why there isn't gonna be another one. It was an overgrown tech demo of the rune magic system thing, and even though the project spiraled out of control, it just wasn't a well made game.

>>3887068
(You)

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>>3886401
I have post-ironic cynism fatigue.
>BE MISERABLE BE MISERABLE BE MISERABLE EVERYTHING SUCKS EVERYTHING SUCKS EVERYTHING SUCKS

>>3887474
Name a great tactics game (that I'd enjoy but haven't played)

>>3886401
what are some good games?

>>3887506
None, sry

>>3887490
nta but silent storm sentinels

>>3887506
Is it like Ja2, but without the funny remarks?

>>3887577
assuming you meant to ask about silent storm, yes down to sci fi shit killing the vibe halfway through the game
ss is 3d and has great environmental destruction and ragdoll physics though

>>3887649
A hidden gem apparently. I'm in!

>>3884487
>No characters
Nearly every companion character had a fleshed out and interesting perspective, all the leader/antagonist characters too. It was interesting, and even while the environments were cool I agree the level design was bland and didn't incorporate it as well as well as pillars. That said though
>Guy who literally shits himself
>borderline non-verbal amazon cunt
>none of the spells you could concoct worth the action economy of using them
All wrong
>setting had no information about it
Also incorrect, but the game didn't go out of its way to give you Words Words Words about the setting in autistic detail as opposed to explaining shit like the law, the conquest, the magic of will, through quests and dialogue. It was an interesting experiment. Pillars only has five at most interesting companions out of like 12, let alone a bunch of nothing ever happens shit going on

>>3887068
The setting and premise was pretty imaginative though
Setting everything post
>Lawtist badguy take over
as well as allying with Her was interesting. The main problem with this game was mismanaged scope, so everything feels a bit odd and poorly paced, and cut companion quests or encounters. Sure it's not an 11/10 masterpiece but it's raw inspiration was a lot better than Pillars, it just suffered from bad execution. Pillar's only interesting thing going on is the whole animancy/soul magic/gods shit and even that I think is a bit poorly handled as well

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>>3883205
>Don't bother with BG1

Niggercattle slop take

>>3880612
PoE1 sucked. Completely soulless with product placement backer NPCs everywhere.

>>3887738
>placement backer NPCs everywhere
Game breaking soul reading

>>3883205
>2nd editionisms.
i agree that 2nd edit rules in DnD vidyas are crap.

Are there any good RPGs which aren't RTwP, aren't DnD/Pathfinder based, and aren't blobbers?

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>>3880656
>Lumping in Colony ship with this trash

>>3881256
You either have a definition so all encompassing Call of Duty is a RPG, or are a retard.

>>3881260
These games typically follow a group of 4 characters, created with ~4 page character sheets selecting from a wide range of options, playing an long term adventure set out by a dungeon master reacting to the players decisions.

In the context of video games, they are attempting to emulate this experience, but with one person, and the game trying to simulate the role of a dungeon master by creating the most open ended adventure possible. RPGs typically feature Dialog trees, character sheets, character generation, classes, deep mechanics involving many stats, open ended narratives, and level design allowing for nonlinear progression, XP/leveling systems.

People who pretend that there is no definition because there is no "Line in the sand" but they are silly, and think a landmine in a chair. There are many subgenres that specifically remove certain elements. I.E. ARPG, CRPG, WRPG, JRPG, but you probably didn't read most of what I explained already, so I won't bother breaking down other subgenres.

>>3889428
>You either have a definition so all encompassing Call of Duty is a RPG, or are a retard.
Great argument. Clearly CoD shares elements with DE then, such as skills and skill checks then.
Oh wait, it doesn't, and your argument was made in bad faith.

>>3889440
CoD shares elements with RPGs, such as experience points, leveling up, unlocking new abilities/feats/traits, and upgrading one's equipment++. CoD is an RPG. Q.E.D.

>>3881272
>RPGs are descended from tabletop tactical combat wargames. Disco Elysium is not an RPG.
Literal genetic fallacy, especially considering most TTRPGs have deviated away from D&D, which in turn has deviated from Chainmail rules.

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>>3889460
No, they haven't. Before you mention Criticalrollfan69xx's kickstarter backer exclusive game that features no combat, homosexuals writing 1 page rulesets that primarily consist of "It's your game, so make your own rules :)" doesn't constitute "Most TTRPGs" because nobody plays that shit.

People play D&D, Shadowrun, Starfinder, Pathfinder, Call of Cthulu (and before you try to say that it doesn't feature combat you colossal dipshit Horror on the Orient Express features 4 combat encounters per stop, and is regarded as one of the less combat dense modules people run.), Blades in the Dark, Vampire: The Masquerade, Stars Without Number, Cyberpunk, and many more games.

None of them aren't primarily about combat. Vampire has pages, and pages of rules about displines completely focused on killing dudes.

>>3889471
But what about FATAL and MYFAROG?

>>3880612
Baldurs gate 1 and 2 I just started the second and is simply amazing

>>3889569
Glad you’re enjoying it anon, it’s a classic. Have fun

>>3889572
I can't understand why they don't do game like this anymore

>>3889588
>I can't understand why they don't do game like this anymore
We used to have the technology, but then we lost it. Now we can't go back.

>>3889569
Their mid games and the combat is truly ass. I don't understand the hype around these, besides the vibe and setting of magic and dragons, and type shit.

>>3889589
With AI you can probably create illimitate locations and dungeons like BG and probably create more interesting stories

>>3889590
Why the combat is ass?

>>3889592
>With AI
Stopped reading here.

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>>3887474
I have hyper-active delusional happy donkey syndrome.
>BE POSTIVE BE POSITIVE BE POSITIVE
EVERYTHINGS FINE
EVERYTHINGS FINE
EVERYTHINGS FINE

>>3889592
It's just doesn't feel like you have total control over your combat. It's highlight and auto attack with some spells. I would if loved to see baldurs gate be like Fallout 1 or 2 combat.

>>3889596
You can always pause the fight for use magic or change the target .
If you don't have already activated you can choose to put in pause the game when the fight start

I can't get into bg1 at all. It's just so boring. And I get frustrated by poor pathfinfing in rtwp. Feels like herding cats. I've only really enjoyed fallout 1 and planescape And warcraft 3 rpg sections lol . Fallout 2 isn't interesting to me.

>>3881467
kek so it's exactly like here then? Unfortunately these idiots spamming the same comments and posts are unavoidable at this point.

>>3883217
idc about the woke stuff but both those games have way too much combat for how repetitive it is, dos2 in particular is guilty of this, game could have been half as long. Story was forgettable, I liked BG3's story though.

>>3880656
The only games here I enjoyed to the end were Disco Elysium (cryptozoology plot kept me playing) and Shadowun (nice, short games albeit the combat system is almost primitive).

>>3884211
Albion (by Blue Byte / Ex Thalion) is great but very little non-euros know it.