>>3881262
Omega is better imho. In ff8, as in Ffx2. Kefka tower is great, maybe the only boss that has a narrative design to call his own.
Project zero has a decent final boss, too. Bad final bosses are demons in a political setting, like fft or to.

I really dont think anything can top earthbound. the lead up and sacrifice before you even get there. the massive tonal shift. the mystery of the boss fight itself. the insane music. the creepy as shit final form. the role (You) play taking him down. the wholesome, heartwarming ending, including the victory lap throughout the whole game. its absolute cinema.

There's literally no dungeon at all, but Octopath two's final boss has the most satisfying gameplay twist I've played and the sleekest way of manipulating you into an "I've got this - Oh Shi-! no wait, we can do it" state

Xenoblade 1 had a heavy metal castle of doom too, I guess

>>3881262
FF8 just wins. Ultimecia's Castle has all the imagination magic of the older 2D FF games, but just better.
All the unique death animations and verbal responses to your magic like Red Giant, etc.

>>3881262
Good question

My choice is Final Fantasy X final parts. Good fights, amazing music, it had this bizarre dream-like atmosphere as I anticipated the final confrontation and story resolutions. The game still had aces up its sleeve to keep me invested right to the end. Then I was graced by some highly emotional and amazing end scenes and music. Finally a classic "the end" screen that I stared at for 5 minutes before turning the ps2 off.

>>3881311
The Tower of Lezard Valeth from Valkyrie Profile Silmeria: the dungeon is huge and represents the various worlds of Lezard's new world tree, starting with Nifleheim and climbing pasts his new Asgard. The music changes as you climb, it's really fun. Very underappreciated game.
>first area: niflheim in the snow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZBNO8ExhWM
>second area: aelfheim in the woods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hF97ykjh58
>third area: asgard in night sky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQfh6OSHqjU
>final area: top of the world tree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn6K7Sla6b4

>>3881311
>There's literally no dungeon at all, but Octopath two's final boss has the most satisfying gameplay twist I've played and the sleekest way of manipulating you into an "I've got this - Oh Shi-! no wait, we can do it" state
I doubt we'll ever go back to 4 man teams after COTC/0. It works with the conceit of the game and feels fucking great, especially when you can do indvidual pair swaps like COTC/0. Feels great to make your half your team into backpack cucks.

>>3881315
the final boss fights and ending are good but the dungeon is total fucking ass. inside sin was a complete disappointment. its a literal fog hallway followed by a single boring city like area and then its over.

>he's STILL trying to gaslight people into thinking FF8 was good

>>3881329
>everyone that likes a game that I dont like is actually the same person
meds, retard

>>3881262
>what is the sickest/coolest/most satisfying final dungeons/final boss in any rpg?
I like the linearity and barren atmosphere of FFIX, that coupled with the final boss who summons up the games themes so concisely using little more than a starwars quote really makes it for me.

>>3881331
everyone that likes ff8 is a retard, no meds will help

>>3881630
That's 9, the game is literally stylized for children. And what is mental retardation, a condition where an adults brain doesn't develop causing them to remain in a childlike state.
7 is an oddworld that's new and tasty
8 is for emos who and socially reclusive edgelords
9 is for kids, the mentality retarded and incels living in the nostalgia of the past

>>3881262
You inevitably end up tearing through the final portion unless you're deliberately limiting yourself because the game balance is what it is, but despite everything you can justly criticize about the game itself (from being RPGMslop to its questionable contents) I am utterly in love with the concept and aesthetic and presentation of Black Souls II's true final boss.

>>3881710
i think your concern for stylistic surface markers instead of the holistic totality of any particular game is itself a form of retardation, you are stuck on the step you find yourself on, and have been for quite a while.
walk forward.

>>3881630
FF8 is the peak of the series, your dumbshit opinions parroted from teenagers posting on gamefaqs in 2005 are cringe

>>3881329
FF8 WAS good, and its final dungeon was one of the best in the series.

>>3881758
>FF8 is the peak of the series
I wouldn't give it that much credit, although I definitely think it's the most over-hated one. It's interesting and worth a playthrough. Not as bad as they say.
>t. played it when it came out

>>3881765
Its only close competitor is FF7 and since it's better than FF7 with graphics, soundtrack, and story, then FF8 is the peak of the series.

>>3881791
>since it's better than FF7 with graphics
Agreed
>soundtrack
Disagree
>and story
Disagree
Most I'll grant you is that it's better than 9.

VIII>VII>X=VI>V>IX>IV>I>III>II the rest are trash

glad I could clear that up everyone

>>3881830
XII is good.

>>3881830
X isn't that good. It's very linear.

>>3881886
>no no this JRPG is too linear
ok

>>3881874
12 just has the flattest story of any FF game since FF5. It's just dull

>>3881891
>ranking by story
>VIII on top

>>3881886
yeah if it had an overworld or at least more expansive level design itd be my top FF. the linearity is a flaw. but the strength of everything else makes up for it. besides being too linear and having weaker music than the other good FFs, its practically perfect

I liked the last boss in the first Overlord game. The game itself was okau, but I really liked the stuff behind the last boss. Basically, you've been fucking up the greatest heroes of the realm as a bad guy and the last fight is basically the last boss boasting how he corrupted each of them into being dicks, all through the fight itself and not in some cutscene

>>3881792
>since it's better than FF7 with graphics
>Agreed
Agreed
>soundtrack
>Disagree
Disagree^2 - FF8 had the better OST
>and story
>Disagree
Agreed - 7 has a better story, the sad thing is 8 has a good story but there's too many plot holes/points left hanging, which is probably due to the volume of cut content.
>Most I'll grant you is that it's better than 9.
That's pretty unanimous.

Might & Magic's final dungeon

Just kidding.

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Dungeon?
I also think the one in FF8 is great.
Many bosses, great music, gimmick that isnt annoying and you dictate how bothersome it is.
I also love the final fight but for Final Boss I have to go with Digital Devil Saga 2.
Awesome battle theme, you are fighting probably the strongest being in a long franchise (You dont kill it, you can only prove your worth, since everything is data he can manipulate it at will, even uses this power to recreate Satan who is usually like one of the top dogs and even surpasses YHVH, he has amala drums as part of him which means he is able to control timelines at will, etc), the design is not your usual God design and you can see he stretches to the infinite, several phases which transitions by him not moving but him moving the entire time and space to position your characters in front of a part of him.
Simply amazing.

>>3881758
>peak
>2005
>cringe
Trying too hard.

>>3881735
Elaborate.

>>3881924
FF8 is the best story. Maybe 7 and 8, taken on just the arc, 7 wins out, but 8 had better execution, so maybe 7 is a little better based on which you value more; the quality of the delivery or the quality of its substance. So FFVIII can be on top.

>>3881262
Liber Ark and it’s not even close

>>3881262
DQ4's final boss having animations blew my mind as a kid, but even more kino was:
>Esturk was hyped up as "the final boss", but he just jobs out halfway through the story, and you're left wondering "what the fuck happens now?" just as the world starts going crazy.

Northern Crater.

>>3882227
To make a 100+ hours story short, and massive spoilers: A core plot point of BS, revealed in one of the endings of 1, is that the protagonist was created by merging the souls of different irl writer, mainly fairy tale ones, Lewis Carroll being one of the confirmed ones. At the core of the series are the relationship between artist and art, creation and creator, parent and child. The quasi-totality of BS2 takes place in a twisted version of Wonderland with characters playing the roles of ones from the books, and it's revealed they're literally equivalent to actors; the whole world you find yourself trapped into is a deliberately crafted artifice where others (deliberately or instructed to) take those roles. This play happens over and over, and each time you 'beat' the game and get any of the endings you're just sent back to the main hub, now able to go to the next NG, restarting the cycle. The repetition is canon and to a degree necessary to finish the game. Even the 'Good' ending in which you escape ends with you back at the start. You learn this is because the power the main villain of BS1 used (which to not make things too long allows one to alter reality/fate/the nature of things to a certain degree, though it's more complicated) was ripped from them and was used by BS2's villain to set up BS2's situation, rendering it impossible for you to leave. You also learn this power was so great it became its own entity when ripped from BS1's villain. An entity BS2's villain had control over, but in becoming itself part of the play in the role of Alice said villain effectively became subject to it instead. Its named Grand Guignol, after the the theatre in France active during the late 19th and early 20th century. Once you enter the final portion of the game in which it (and one optional fight which is thematically tied to it) is located, you can no longer save the game. When you finally reach it, the fight begins with you walking up to it like a literal

>>3882614
>>3882227
theatre, followed by getting up to it on a stage. After getting through multiple phases in which it throws at you twisted representations of many of the things you've seen to get there, with curtains closing and opening for each transition, when you finally face the thing itself you get this screen-wide sprite that's made by stitching together illustrations from the original Alice books. You are literally fighting the setting itself, but also metaphorically fighting it because the whole thing has been an elaborate play from the start, but also those are the actual illustrations from books that do exist in canon and that the protagonist (a part of him at least) wrote, meaning you're fighting your own creation given life and turned against you and also your own creator, as that power to begin with is what was used to make the protagonist what he is. The sprite also features specifically the original illustrations of the characters whose twisted versions you met throughout the game. You're metaphorically and literally fighting against the sum of everything you've experienced and which has kept you trapped up to this point. It goes on to have another phase where it proceeds to gore itself and reform into a proper creature made up of those same illustrations torn apart and stitched together again (and when it does it you get the characters you managed to recruit through the last stretch of the game to chime in with encouragement), and where destroying each part leaves the sprite literally falling apart like you're actively tearing through the creature standing in your way, which is also metaphorically and literally the setting that has kept you trapped. And when you finally do defeat it, and after the stuff that comes after, at the end you return to the main menu, your last available save the one you made before the final area. You escaped. The cycle is over. You literally beat the game, same as the protagonist finally beat his prison.

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>people are finally coming around to hailing FFVIII as a masterpiece
>they are also waking up to the fact FFIX is pretty cringe
the world is healing

>>3883632
>finally
>literal decades old basic bitch squaretard argument
it's cute how you kids latch onto old gamefaqs debates and think you are master trolls

>>3883644
what fucking troll?
I loved FFVIII as a kid, then I come to the internet and everyone shits on it non-stop with dumb non-arguments like "my brain is too tiny to comprehend junctioning" or literally made up arguments like "the orphanage is too much of a coincidence" (it's not a coincidence at all and it is spelled out in game though???)

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>>3883656
>"my brain is too tiny to comprehend junctioning"
this meme is literally decades old, kiddo.

>>3883658
this is not a retort, wankstain

>>3883632
>contrarian faggots who might all be one schizo latch on to something bad and disdain something good

>>3883676
retort to what? what i'm doing here is mocking you for having nothing to bring that wasn't said on gamefaqs before 9/11.

>>3883658
>this meme is literally decades old, kiddo.
>'x' is liked by the vast majority, only retrads and those with 'tisms dislike it.
Whenever I see this meme I'm confused about how I should feel. Should I celebrate my being normal or feel despair at not being a social freak.

>>3886589
You should comfort yourself within the consensus of mediocrity, exactly like you are doing, as a person with nothing new or interesting to say in your entire life. The basic lesson you should learn is to not think you are smart simply because there are people dumber than you and find a better place to express yourself amongst your fellows.

>>3886650
fair

>>3882614
>>3882615
>all this bullshit for a porn game

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>>3883632
if anyone likes ffix they're riding off the high fantasy aesthetics alone. everything else is an obvious downgrade from ffviii.

>>3887521
and the good writing
and good music
and the lack of level scaling
and the boring farm to get spells to junction
and the better love story
and not dealing with shitty fanfiction to defend one of the lamer villains of the franchise

>>3887527
Eat him alive, anon.

>>3887536
unfortunately I can't roast FF8 for having the worst love story and love interest of the franchise due to 15 existing

>>3887543
Actually having played 15 puts your taste in question.

>>3887544
I had a way to get it for $20 shortly after launch.

I didn't realize I was getting an early access game with awful gameplay and so damn easy it makes the Neptuina series look hard

>>3887512
>the writing involves sex therefore it is unworthy of being treated with respect
You are mentally 8 years old and you belong on xitter.

>>3887548
and you are making a porn game sound deep and Shakespearean

>>3887544
Everyone should play XV (but not buy it). It's such a trainwreck it deserves to be experienced just for the window it gives you into its production history. FFXV is a disaster worth studying.

>>3887549
>porn game
What about the game involving sex makes it unworthy of consideration in your opinion, beyond your own complete lack of comfort with sexuality? What is it about the category that makes you think it's inherently lesser? And don't say 'it appeals to your base instincts' because every fucking piece of media does that. Comedy isn't a lesser genre because it makes you laugh, tragedy isn't a lesser genre because it manufactures sad scenarios, horror isn't a lesser genre just because it pokes the animal part of your brain that fears for its life when it hears a strange sound. So what makes a 'porn game' inherently lesser beyond the fact that you yourself are unable to interface with art that deals with sex?

>>3887553
don't you have a crying emoji to post somewhere?

>>3887553
>What about the game involving sex makes it unworthy of consideration in your opinion, beyond your own complete lack of comfort with sexuality? What is it about the category that makes you think it's inherently lesser?
We are reaching levels of pseud that shouldn’t even be possible

>>3887554
I'm not into any of the cunny in either BS1 or BS2, sadly. Like, oyster kinda does it but I don't like her looks, and she's a fake loli anyway.
>>3887557
The society you live in is the product of this same discussion happening in regards to comedy, which was considered a lesser genre for swathes of humanity's time.

>>3887527
if you think anyone in ix had better writing than squall you're out of your mind.
music is impossible to argue, but there's no way you honestly believe there's something from ix better than force your way or the extreme.
level scaling is only a problem if you play the game like it's not ffviii. the point is to be efficient with your gfs and junctions. outside of drawing endlessly, items and cards turn into high quantities of some of the best spells. you only farm if you want to.
rinoa's cuter than garnet. i win.
i've always found viii and ix equal in that they both wait too long to flesh out their villains. not much of a defense for ultimecia's pacing, but her time paradox is pretty cool.
viii has good side content. ix doesn't. by the time you can explore the world freely, there's hardly anything to do besides chocobo hot and cold.

>>3887527
>farming spells to junction
vs.
>0.39% chance to successfully steal an item
Sorry, but 8 wins this one.

>>3881309
EarthBound is a good choice.

I really liked Digital Devil Saga 2 and how it brought everything together. No spoilers, go find out for yourself and play the two games. They need a remaster.

>>3881322
Kek'd at backpack cucks. I haven't played the new game yet so I'll have to wait to understand what you mean by that.

>>3887527
>good writing
way worse than viii
>good music
way worse than viii
>lack of level scaling
both games are piss easy regardless of your level
>boring farm to get spells to junction
what is item and card refine
>better love story
oh yeah who could forget zidane groping and creeping on garnet, so much more poignant and romantic than the ffviii space sequence or laguna, raine and julia
>not dealing with shitty fan fiction
kuja is literally the gayest and lamest antagonist in the entire series and the true final boss is pants on head retarded

>>3887579
are you talking about the two megaten games for NES? I do really need to play those.

>>3881891
>>3881886
>>3881830
X is unforgivable due to unskippable cutscenes even in remasters. FUCK what were they thinking? I don't want to hear all of the tropey dialogue world building bullshit all the time. SOME TIMES I'm up for it when I'm nice and high or relaxed with a buzz or super lazy and tired and want someone to come tuck me in and read me story time beddie bye night nights... BUT OTHERWISE FUCK OFF! Let me skip shit. Fuck me man I STILL haven't gotten through FFX due to this.

If you're saying the story is as good, on par, with FF VI then I'm more intrigued. I also do like the turn-based battle system without ATB.

>>3887570
>if you think anyone in ix had better writing than squall you're out of your mind.

considering Squall simps for Rinoa out of the blue, yes there are character better written than him

and having to samefag with >>3887582 only makes you seem desperate to defend 8 like how Barry whiteknights 15 and Forspoken

>>3887584
its a much, much better story than VI. VI is great and the story is told well but its honestly pretty generic, the only real twist is kefka actually winning and destroying the world. besides that its a typical evil empire vs the rebels with perfect black and white morality and also humans using magic is le bad.

X is the best overall story in the series and the most emotional gut punch ending in a game of all time. but it really doesnt start dropping the plot bombs on you until the third act.

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>>3887589
>everyone that disagrees with me is the same person!!
meds now retard

>>3887594
when I see two posts with similar poor grammar and formatting, it's hard to NOT assume samefagging

>>3887595
Gotta be clear, because you're retarded but I'm not the anon you're arguing.
Take a look at your own poor grammar and formatting... it follows the same low tier format.
Does that mean you're arguing with yourself.

>>3887595
The wicked flee when no man pursueth

>>3887595
>poor grammar and formatting
i think we win this one viiibros

>>3882614
>To make a 100+ hours story short
Literally tl;dr. Get your shit together storyfags.
>numbers go up
All that matters.

Breath of Fire V has a great last boss.
I get liking Earthbound. I never personally cared about the characters though.
I liked the sort of memory lane thing Mother 3 does but didn't like the game at all other than that.

>>3887751
>Breath of Fire V has a great last boss.

doing the thing that nets you a game over for 99.9% of the game isn't "great"

>>3887590
jecht is sin is a plot bomb and it happens in the first 3-5 hours depending on your pace
>>3887527
>and the good writing
worse plot, decent dialogue
>and good music
good music in a franchise known for fantastic 100/10 music is not a good thing anon
>and the lack of level scaling
you're dumb
>and the boring farm to get spells to junction
you're stupid
>and the better love story
lol lmao even
>and not dealing with shitty fanfiction to defend one of the lamer villains of the franchise
the shitty fanfiction is really cool but ultimecia doesn't need it to be a better villain than kuja and necron combined

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>>3881262
ToB with "official" Ascension mod

>>3887844
>personal attacks instead of defending 8

enough said

>>3887852
Yeah, that bitch had it coming. No one uses and manipulates me and gets away it, Melissan. You hear me? And I warned you when we first met that I didn't like you doin' it and you did it anyway... She did bring out the god of murder in me...

>>3887853
there's nothing to defend when someone says level scaling is bad, they're just bad
they put it in the game to show you the way to become more powerful is through junctions rather than mindless grinding
and it's overexaggerated anyway, people make it out to be like if you grind levels the game becomes unbeatable, the reality is that you benefit more from levels than enemies do, it's just that if you reach level 50 with 23 firas on your ATK yea you're gonna feel a bit weak and it's entirely on you

>>3888118
I think the main problem people have with VIII isn't the system it adopts but how it communicates it.

>>3887575
>0.39% chance to successfully steal an item
at first i thought you were being retarded and meant 39% but then i googled that shit

>>3888118
>it's just that if you reach level 50 with 23 firas on your ATK yea you're gonna feel a bit weak and it's entirely on you

and you wouldn't know that the leveled up enemies have better spells to draw from them