This game FUCKING SUCKS. I have no choice to play it though because I spent $80 on the pixel remasters and am going through them one at a time. FF1 was really cool. This game though? Wtf is even happening. Even trying to understand how the stat-leveling bullshit works ahead of starting couldn't prepare me for how gay this game is. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET GIL BTW
>>3881501You can sweep the game by running every character with sword + shield, white magic cure + raise + one buff per character and one black magic element per characterDon't do any of the self-damaging grinding nonsense, just play it like a normal game
Game is awesome, sorry to say it's you that sucks, bud.
It’s definitely the weirdest of the classic FFs, though not the worst. Thats 9. I played and finished 2, but would never replay it. I liked 1 and 3 more.
>>3881501I finished 1, 2, 3. The second one is probably my favorite out of three.Stopped at 4, because that's where they implemented garbage JRPG "story-based" formula.
>>38815094s only flaw is that you never have control of your party composition, otherwise it’s great. You missed out, 4, 5, 6, 7, Tactics, and 10 are all great. 8 is OK, bit weird but not bad.
>>3881501>I spent $80 on the pixel remasters
>>3881513whats so funny
>>3881515You spent $80 on games you'd be better off emulating for free
>>3881517A side-by-side comparison (vs the SNES) of the opening intro chords to FF6 completely destroyed the pixel “remasters” for me. Downgrades.
>>3881511I will probably get back to 4 when I have enough energy to read through their garbage childish storytelling.
>>3881517The UI looks so bad on the NES/SNES versions though
>>38815215 and Tactics might be more up your alley, but if you really don’t like 4, you may just not care for JRPGs, honestly. They’re a kiddie genre and you’re supposed to grow out of them past your teens.
>>3881531You're supposed to grow out of games period and join the military by the time you're 18
>>3881501>I have no choice to play it though because I spent $80 on the pixel remastersThis is such a retard take, forcing yourself to waste your time on a game you don't enjoy because you already wasted money on it.
>>3881532>join the military by the time you're 18That's only if you are cuck.
>>3881531I'm fine with kiddie plot, it's also kiddie in the first 3 entries. However, it is some simple story there, very general and schematic. In 4, they try to go into "personality", "drama", and it looks so fucking cringe that I can't stand it.
>>3881538Which you are
>>3881544I dodged the army all the time.
>>38815114s main flaw is that it's not big enough. It needs like 3-5 more areas/levels, and a NG+ feature would have been great. (The DS version's is cool, though the DS version overall is a mixed bag)
>>3881532>soldiers don't play videogames
>>3881527Ah, so this is the target audience for soulless minimal interfaces.All the classic FFs are best on GBA, btw.
>>3881580>All the classic FFs are best on GBA, btwand all the best vers of the OG DQ trilogy are on GBC
>>3881501I bought a $30 plastic case around a screen with a microsd port from Chinese Amazon and it has every final fantasy remastered for GBA not to mention chrono trigger, suikoden, all the pokemans and Mario’s…what the fuck are you doing paying $80 for a decades old came compilation? Are you incredibly rich?
>>3881509What's your least favorite of the Famicom ones?Mine is 3
>>3881515Baby. I don't know how to tell you this. But those games came out in the fucking '80s...
>>3881501armor sucks because it lowers evasion. focus on getting evasion up, it's the god stat in 2. light armor and shields will make you virtually untouchable without any grinding. in the early game wear 2 shields and use your magic. it's arguably the easiest game in the franchise.
>>3881625I think the opposite. Just play it. It's not a hard game, and that people come in expecting to minmax really hurts its playability. Just try different things as you feel like. Build characters how you want.
>>3881520https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy6pixelremaster/mods/60Oooo wooow that was so hard
>>3881646What advantage do you even have with using the Pixel Remaster if you just mod it to be the SNES version?
>>3881656You still get the QoL upgrades of the pixel remaster
>>3881657Like what? Versus 6?
>>3881658https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VI_version_differencesI'm not typing all that shit out so just scroll to the pixel remaster section and read it.
>>3881541i guess it's ultimately a matter of preference but 4 being so hammy is precisely why i like it so much. i don't need every story to be some grand innovative deep philosophical work, i just want a lil comfort story about a shit dude who goes through a redemption arc and meets some monks and bards and sages and stuff along the way. the world has too many deconstructions and ironic post-takes and subversive nihilistic reimaginings for me to not have space for stuff like FF4 in my heart.
>>3881568>It needs like 3-5 more areas/levelsIt really doesn't, that would bloat it
Does a non-standard leveling system really break the mind of JRPG fags this much?
>>388150180 dollars for a ff pixel remaster? ouch bro... you really should of read more about this before buying. live and learn i guess. at least it's not a bad tattoo.
>>3881541That 15 second cutscene of Rosa encouraging Rydia to cast Fire really pushed you over the edge, huh.
>>3881684Of course it's fine the way it is. But in terms of gameplay, there's a lot left on the table due to the linearity and relatively small size (compared especially to V and VI). There's not enough optional content to discover. There's not enough opportunity to exploit the possibilities offered by the systems.
>>3881693Yes.
>>3881713IV's systems don't really offer enough depth to require more room to play with them IMO.
>>3881509Wdym by jrpg story formula? II is pretty much the standard jpiggy story, it just lacks theatrics >MC has a friend/rival who gets kidnapped and radicalized, they have to fight to the death and their bond and will is needed to overcome it>Tons of characters are introduced in a chapter basis and they kill themselves so you get time to escape, it happens so often it becomes a meme, making their sacrifices cheap>Villain is the muh ikeman with the keikaku to overcome the boundaries of men, by going to hell and heaven at the same time>Cute, meek, childhood sweethheart in the party>Brutish dude with a heart of gold, bonus points due to the fact that he have caveman intelligence and can talk to animals>Even though they are nobodies, with no proper training or lineage, MC squad quickly gets shoved into a very important position during the rebellion
>>3881520>>3881527The GBA/PS1 version mogs them all, it's the optimal way of playing those old games
>>3881501just remember the 3 B's and you too can sweep FF2 with 0 effort>Blink>Barrier>Berserk
>>3881837>bDual wielding shields and dodgemaxxing by grinding gobbos in the first forest
>>3881511that's a major flaw retard. 4 has 0 customizability and is linear as fuck, it's basically just a walking simulator till the end. You've got maybe 3 side-quests, almost 0 world-building, and no interesting cpmbat mechanics to speak of either. The fact that people suck this trash up but hate on 13 for being a hallway sim is crazy
>>3881531JRPGs aren't a genre, it's just an industry. Shit like FF is barely even an RPG
>>3881849>argue with meNo.
>>3881659So, name some that matter to you. Most of those are minor patches or sprites being redrawn. I would argue for the worse. What QoL issues are there from the SNES or GBA version that you care about.Because you dodged my question by just listing a diff.
>>3881849It's not a major flaw, it's a minor issue of taste and you are a moron.(Also, customization is not exactly 0, so you can't even do objective assessment properly)
>>3881773They do. Otherwise FF4 Free Enterprise would not exist or be so popular.
>>3881580GBA versions are awful. Small screen, ugly fonts, shitty sound, lame translations, and 4 has butchered animations. Literally the only people who like the GBA versions are fags who grew up with an actual GBA and have nostalgia, and tasteless redditors.
>>3881843What happens when you do this? I never played FFII, I will eventually. I'm guessing you just dodge every attack the rest of the game or something?
>>3882027Yeah, just about. Think you end up with a dodge chance of 90% or 95% or something. Breaks the game.
>>3881501Stay away from SaGa games lmao
>>3881501I agree OP and the apologists for this game are baffling SaGa does literally everything betterOther FF games are far more memorable (people die in 2 with zero circumstance, and the Emperor is a far better character in SoP/Dissidia)I really want people to shut the fuck up about 2 being underrated
>>3881501Best one. Only II and III are worth getting. You wasted a lot of money.
>>3881657>QoLCheats
>>3881837Barrier is a meme. The big buff spells are Blink/Shell/Haste/Berserk. Then you equip everyone with a shield in the offhand or just the main gauche if you decide to make a dedicated offensive caster.
>>3882254This is why I called him on 6 specifically. Go read the list of stuff he referenced. There's almost no mechanical changes, just worse music and sprites. Unless his QOL of life change is:> Odin gains Speed +2 (was +1 in previous versions)The early FFs are significantly sped up, though not really more than the GBA versions (with less content) but FF6 is mostly bad graphics and sound.
>>3882075It's reasonable. FF2 has developed this perception as an unplayable, super grindy game, when it's not. You can just go in, play the characters how you like, and sort of wander around and explore it. It's a very reasonable game to play blind, similar to the Saga games. But, it is underrated at this point.The fact that the Saga games refined that formula further isn't that meaningful to how much people hate 2. I kind of doubt that the vocal haters of FF2 are super into Unlimited SaGa either.
There are 3 factors why FF2 is so disliked in the west>players only started playing it in the late 90's / early 00's as opposed to late 80's.NES emulation, + PSX / GBA versions. So all the leaps that FF2 did seemed like "been there, done that" to those players. The way the game system is original and subverts the tropes was ahead of its time, it's something that became standards in the 5th gen, so by that time it didn't feel like anything special to players who already played FF7 or 8. This is even more true in the story department, the story being about teenagers, involved in a war story with a setting more grounded in reality, FF2 was the first JRPG to do that, but by the late 90's it was nothing special.>players played without the manualThe manual explains all the mechanics. Instead players had to feel around for every little thing and rely on widespread misinformation and retardedness like "hit yourself", or grinding in inefficient manners 1 point at a time.and finally the third factor >the shitty re-releases like GBA/PR Which instead of improving what could, try to apply bandaids on things that don't need it just because retards who misunderstand the game complain about that, like nullifiying stat decreases or handing out free HP+ every so often
>>3882455>GBA is worseWhy so? I played the 1+2 GBA collection and it felt "fine", didn't engage in any degenerate grinding tho
>>3881531>5Isn't 5 even more goofier than 4? We have Exdeath being a completely chunni goofball, and then there is fucking Gilgamesh getting scared and doing goomba stomps on your party out of desperation
>>3882526He seems to care more about the gameplay than the story, hence suggesting 5 and Tactics for more character building meat, as opposed to 4s fixed classes and fixed party composition
I don't remember the details but in 2 you remove your equipment because that lowers your stats, allowing them to raise higher. It's a really terrible system and nobody has ever like SaGa that uses it. SaGa is worse because they saw people learning the system so did even more faggotry to counter player enjoyment which lead to further autism in a never ending spiral.
>>3881656Only thing pixel remaster added was a bestiary. It was only available from the title screen and not in game so kind of useless. I think they patched it to be in the in game menus after.1 is broken with damage values and healing items. They gave bosses way more hp including the last boss that full heals. All this screws with the class variety original had.2 is fine.3 removes the cost of changing classes which is a significant change.4 I don't remember and wasn't a big fan of originally.5 the wider resolution ends up showing a bunch of areas that are meant to be hidden.6 fucks up the opera
>>3882546These pixel remasters sure sound like shit. The only way to play is emulating the nes/snes originals in NESticle and ZSNES
>Nasir GebelliHoly fuck, Final Fantasy wasn't even japanese.
>>3882455I scanned through the manual thinking you had a decent gotcha but I see 2-3 lines describing stats like strength affects the damage of the fight command. I'm not sure what great insight you think is in there.
>>3882548Cope. PRs are shitty low effort cashgrabs like 98% of remakes.
>>3882585Are you retarded? Can you read?
>>3882566Nasir was the face of Final Fantasy, it's only after he left that Sakaguchi took over that role and started a smear marketing campaign to pretend it was just him all along that mattered
>>3882611The back of the FF2 manual had his full name.
>>3882590Read your post as sarcarsm given that nesticle and zsnes are outdated emulators and there's a lot of people who seethe that anyone still uses them.
>>3882654It’s probably been 15 years since I used them to be honest, but I can’t imagine that anything meaningful has changed in NES/SNES emulation since then. I’ve also read anons say ePSXe is outdated but who gives a shit, works great.I still use Winamp 2.91
>>3882660I stopped using zsnes because it kept fucking up my screen resolution and I'd have to reboot
>>3882660If you want something legacy that's actually been updated this decade, you can go with Snes9x
>>3882539FF1 and FF2 both did the whole heavier armor has higher defense but worse evasion thing.The difference with FF2 is that a lot of enemies have very nasty effects on their standard attacks, so not getting hit at all is infinitely preferable.
>>3881501I like the story best idk what your problem is
>>3882546FF1 has had increased enemy hp values long before the PR version. It just continued what the others were doing but reverted back to vancian casting instead of MP.FF3 PR is a middleman between NES and DS/PSP.
