this is what I heard from 2 months ago>codename draco>started development mid 2024>Yoko Taro, Yoshinori Kitase, and Tetsuya Nomura is involved in the project>the plot is about bahamut, and will include almost every bahamut in the franchise>related to the world of 7 (Maybe a sequel?cause X > VII > XVII lol)>concept of the game is "自由" or freedom in english>have multiple endingI don't have much info on this beside that
>>3881985>17i had no idea there had even been a 16was 14 the MMO? or was that 11? wasnt there 3 13s? why? "set in the world of 7"? wat?what a retarded series. 5 on GBA is the only good one anyways.also>this is what I heard from 2 months ago>source: dude trust mepics or it didnt happen opiefake and gay LARP
>>3881997>lol what is this pokeymanz thing, I think I heard about it one time lmaoThis is you, pretending to be too cool for school, and it's just a cringe as back then.
>>3882002Cmon anon don't be too autistic he's making a point, not trying to fool you.
>>3881985>Yoko TaroYour shit is fake as fuck
>Kitase>Nomura
>>3881985If it's not turn based, I won't buy it.
Yoko Taro is too good for this dead franchise.
>have multiple endingSquare don’t even know what FF is after 10, and op is a faggot
>>3881985Is FF even on normies' heads right now? I had only realized 16 was a thing from the recent Death Battle. I didn't even know that 7Remake had multiple installments, I thought it was a one time thing. Trying to figure out what happened to this franchise cos it seems too lowkey recently for the giant that it is.
>>3882519>I'm intentionally uninformed, therefore everyone else must be too
>>3884463He's not wrong. Final Fantasy is probably the least relevant it has been since the 80s. Even the Final Fantasy 7 remakes sold poorly, and they should have been guaranteed hits for Square.
>>3882519>Is FF even on normies' heads right now?>>3884498>least relevant it has been since the 80sXIV became the most played mmorpg, XV sold hugely. Even the retro games are back with pixel remasters.You are pretending. Some obsessive hatred towards the series, I suppose.
>>3884518>XIV became the most played mmorpgFor a year. Now it has lost 80% of its playerbase despite having no competition.>XV sold hugely16 underperformed, as Square themselves have admitted.
This series has become the equivalent of chinese industrial accidents.
>>3884552Final Fantasy is probably the least relevant it has been since the 2020sI only realized FF was a thing after escaping North Korea
>>3884579>Final Fantasy is probably the least relevant it has been since the 2020s14 is dead. 16 flopped. The remakes flopped. Final Fantasy is on a downward spiral.
>>3885086Some say it has been on a downward spiral for 20 years. Two more weeks for a total collapse and satisfied tortanic threads on /v/
>>3885090Steamcharts doesn't lie, Final Fantasy is dead.
>>3885099OH FUCK it's only 12. most played JRPG on steam, after FFVIIR at 10. and XIV at 5. place. XVI is down 18...Final fantasy bros.. we lost to a french JRPG.. no one even knows who we are anymore
>>3885099I don't disagree that the series went to shit and became a caricature of its former self 20+ years ago, but it's always been a console franchise, not a PC franchise. Looking at Steam numbers is silly and irrelevant.
>>3884552>>3885086>>3885099Couple of things.First, it "under performed" by Square metrics which is basically "we could have taken the money we invested into the game, put it into the stock market, and had a better return". They have said on earning reports for Q2 2025 that they are satisfied with the sales of both 16 and Rebirth. Both sold on the lower side of their estimates, but were still well within their estimates.Second, Rebirth came out on PC almost an entire full year after it came out on PS5, so not only was it less of a hype release, but many players already played through it on PS5 that wouldn't double dip. And in the year of our lord 2024-2025 a sizeable portion of potential players that were waiting for PC release just watched some dipshit play the game on youtube or twitch.None of it changes the fact that 3make has the same budget as Rebirth, and is less than 2 years from release. And if the 'poor sales' of 16 means Yoshi-P goes back to his hole of 14 and never touches the rest of the franchise then we're all much better off.
>>3885152>if Yoshi-P never touches the rest of the franchise then we're all much better off.It could be better to maintain the same team, and build off of their experience, if they have drive to do another. FF16 was a quality game.I say let them cook if they're up for it. See how much better they can do this time.
>>3885162It would not be better to maintain the same team because they clearly have no idea how to design a game that doesn't follow the exact same MMO structure that 14 and 16 follow. They had every chance to make things different with 16, and yet it plays nearly identical to 14.You gtom from NPC to NPC, cutscene to cutscene, with fuck all to do inbetween unless you're doing the boring as fuck side missions. There's some really hype moments, but they're drowned by the fact that for every hour of hype you have 10 hours of sludge to wade through.They need to hold off on making FFXVII until the team currently working on the 7 Remake Trilogy is finished, then they take that battle system and that style of pacing/production, and you make a proper good game, not a dogshit single player MMO with the shallower "RPG" mechanics than fucking Call of Duty.
>>3885170No no, let them cook. VII team still needs to make the Advent Children game, and FF8 Remake after that
>>3885111>>3885152Square Enix admitted that FF7R's Playstation sales were bad and that it sold better on PC, so if its PC sales were mediocre I can't imagine how bad its Playstation sales were.>>3885108The remake of one of the most popular RPGs of all time selling poorly is a massive embarrassment to Square Enix. If their new games (16) and remakes of their old games (7R) are both not selling then what do they even have?
>>3885263Probably in a couple of years they will get the full VII trilogy out and announce a new final fantasy game
>>3885162>FF16 was a quality game16 was braindead. Even the original Final Fantasy had more depth to its gameplay than 16.
>>3885267They'll probably focus on remakes instead considering how 16 sold.
>>3885269Whatever it is, I doubt they do playstation exclusives anymore
>>3882109this.
>>3885263I'm what should be the target audience for the "remakes": 7 is one of my favorite games, and I played every FF on the NES, SNES, PSX, and PS2. I haven't bought or played any of the remakes because they're not what I want, they're completely different games with completely different stories and completely different gameplay and completely different characters. Corporate necromancy. Skinwalkers that share the same name.
>>3885268NTA, but I would consider FFXVI to be the most polished mainline release since FFXI. FFXII and FFXV were both clearly unfinished, one more so than the other. FFXIII was comparatively complete but also a rush job that felt entirely like a rough draft. FFXIV wasn't finished (an alpha test 6 months before launch means that the launch was still an alpha). FFXVI is a complete, polished release. It's just not good or compelling. You have to squint cross-eyed to even be able to call it an RPG, and the game loop is dogshit filtering out from its MMO developer roots. It crosses off all boxes for technically quality, but Yoshi-P was clearly high off of his farts with thinking that whatever the fuck FFXVI is was "it". Motherfucker clearly does not like RPGs and sabotaged any potential with his retarded mandates and hirings. The first time the few remaining non-Ito Ivalice guys and non-Kawazu SaGa guys get released from the MMO mines to make a big-budget, single-player RPG and this dumb piece of shit is what they had to make? FFXVI could have potentially iterated on Vagrant Story, FFXII, or The Last Remnant or done something innovative (which DMC is very much not in the 2020s). Fuck Yoshi-P.
>>3885374>I'm what should be the target audience for the "remakes"You're an old man who's happy with the originals. Why would YOU be the target audience?
>>3885474The FF7 remakes aren't really remakes, they're more like alternate history stories. A lot of the impact is probably lost if you haven't played the original.
>>3885474>who should we target with our new game? our old fans who bought and enjoyed all of our products, have fond memories of our brand, and have been asking for this for years?>no, let's target people who don't like our games, haven't played any of them, and don't have any money. think of all the new market share we could capture!
>>3885564Let's target the one old man who bought games decades ago when he was still a childHe'll maybe buy if we meet his specific demandsAfter it releases on PCAnd if his PC can run itAnd when it goes on sale for 5 bucksOh he pirated itOh he went back to the original, because "the text font was different"
>>3885576>Let's target the one old man who bought games decades ago when he was still a childYes, there's only been one person asking for a faithful remake of FF7, just one.>He'll maybe buy if we meet his specific demandsCorrect.>After it releases on PCCorrect.>And if his PC can run itYou're supposed to have a relatively more powerful PC as an adult with a job than you are as a teenager with no money.>And when it goes on sale for 5 bucksPretty much the only time I'd buy a game for full price is if it's a huge release I'm excited for. Slop can wait for a sale.>Oh he pirated itI haven't pirated a game in 20+ years. If it's not worth spending money on, it's certainly not worth my time to play.>Oh he went back to the original, because "the text font was different"Yes, that's what people are complaining about being different in the FF7 remakes, "the text font was different". You are a disingenuous faggot.
>>3885582>Yes, that's what people are complaining about being different in the FF7 remakes, "the text font was different"This would happen with the 1:1 recreation remake. And>I already own the original why buy remake??No reason to pander to you.
>>3885587>I already own the original why buy remake??I’m not sure if you’re just pretending to be retarded or not, but people have been asking for an FF7 remake for probably longer than you’ve been alive, and it should’ve been an absolutely slam dunk license to print money. The fact that it’s not selling as well as Square hoped is indicative of how badly they fucked up and miscalculated.
>>3885588>people have been asking for an FF7 remakeThen they grew up
>Famitsu conducted a survey on Final Fantasy VII Remakes’s players>2426 surveyees (85.6%) had played Final Fantasy VII, while 399 had not.>Surveyees were polled about how satisfied they were with the game. 2196 (75%) were very satisfied, 511 (17.6%) were quite satisfied, 78 (2.7%) were neither satisfied nor unsatisfied, 67 (2.3%) were quite unsatisfied, and 59 (2%) were unsatisfied.
>>3885598FF7 sold like 15 million almost 30 years ago, when gaming was far more niche and a much smaller market than it is today.The first remake sold like half of that, and then the second remake sold like half of what the first remake sold.
>>3885606>when gaming was far more niche and a much smaller market than it is today.So there's more competition now?
>>3885608I thought this was implied, but the point was that for every person who bought the remake, there was a potential customer who said it looks shitty and didn’t buy it. And half of the people who bought the first remake didn’t think it was worth buying the second.
>>3885606>FF7 sold like 15 million almost 30 years agoWhere did you get that number?
>>3885614>Where did you get that number?My post is incorrect as originally phrased. I should have said, “FF7, released almost 30 years ago, has sold over 15 million copies to date.”
>>3885623Okay. I just found this>As of June 2025, the Japanese role-playing game has sold more than 15.1 million copies across multiple console generations and gaming platforms."sold over 15 million in the last 30 years"We can compare the remake trilogy numbers after 25 more years.
>>3885676You’re missing the point. I’m not comparing sales in a vacuum, I was responding to an anon citing a survey that said most people who bought the remakes liked it. I am arguing that, by definition, this survey excludes the large number (up to half) of FF7 fans who did not buy or play the remakes because they look shitty. Additionally, there were clearly a large number (up to half) of people who bought the first remake, and didn’t think the second was worth spending money on. Ergo, Square is clearly doing something wrong.
>>3885691>You’re missing the pointI'm not. I just corrected your bullshit.
>>3885598>Famitsu conducted a survey on Final Fantasy VII Remakes’s playersThe kind of people who do Famitsu polls aren't going to be your normal customers, they're going to be older and more passionate about Final Fantasy, and therefore more likely to have played the original and liked the remake.
>>3885676>>3885704Videogames are far more mainstream than they were in the 90s, so the fact that the original sold more over thirty years than the remake did in five is still a failure for the remake. Compare BotW's sales to OoT.
>>3885903>Compare BotW's sales to OoTDid you notice that lacks the data for GC and VC?
>>3885903>Phantom hourglass sold better than GameCube Wind WakerI don't think this chart is correct
>>3885982VC game sales can't be tracked, and OoT was bundled with GameCubes on release and therefore probably couldn't be accurately measured.>>3885987The DS sold seven times as many consoles the GameCube, so this isn't surprising.
>>3885903Did you notice that OoT has sold more than OoT remake?
>>3881985Obviously bait. No one thinks 10 is good.
>>388612310 is great. But it also marked the end of the series. Bittersweet.
>>3886116Because the OoT remake was mostly just a visual remaster with some minor gameplay changes, not a AAA remake like FF7R, which rebuilt everything from the ground up.
>>3886151Muh pilgrimage larp
>>3886291That's why OoT remake has sold less than the original?Making the OoT remake a failure according to logic displayed on this post:>>3885903
>>3884518>XIV became the most played mmorpgpeople are still parrotting this lie? squenix drones truly are deluded
>>3886481The OoT remake was a failure because it was a 3DS exclusive, and the 3DS was a failed console. The FF7 remakes were on PC and console, the reason no one bought them was because they were bad games.
>>38865133DS sold twice the amount of N64, as seen here:>>3886105Yet the original sold more on N64 than the OoT remake>By 2000, Ocarina of Time had sold 7 million cartridges>Ocarina of Time 3D received critical acclaim, with some calling it one of the best video game remakes of all time. It was also a commercial success with over 6.44 million units sold worldwide as of December 2022
>>3886518>3DS sold twice the amount of N64, as seen hereWhy are you pretending you don't understand that the videogame industry of the 90s was much smaller than the industry of the 2010s and 2020s?
>>3886533Are you going back to this point?>>3885903>Videogames are far more mainstream than they were in the 90s, so the fact that the original sold more over thirty years than the remake did in five is still a failure for the remake. Compare BotW's sales to OoT.
>>3881985I'm getting deja vu like I saw this years ago
>>3886548>Videogames are more popular than they were in the 1990s. >Games exclusive to unpopular consoles sell less than games exclusive to popular consoles.Both of these statements are true. The Ocarina of Time remake was exclusive to the 3DS, so it flopping is not surprising. The FF7 remake was on PC and console, so it flopping is embarrassing for Square.
>>3886606Some numbers for you to consider:PS1: 102 million soldN64: 33 million soldOoT: 7 million soldPS Vita: 15 million sold3DS: 76 million soldOoT Remake: 6,4 million soldPS4: 117 million soldSwitch: 154 million sold
>>3886613Let's add these for additional perspectivePS2: 160 million soldGC: 22 million soldPS3: 87 million soldWii: 101 million sold
>>3881985>the plot is about bahamut, and will include almost every bahamut in the franchisemultiverse slop? gross
>>3886613>>3886616Why are you talking about consoles? Rebirth was primarily a PC game.
>>3886642>>3886606>>Videogames are more popular than they were in the 1990s. >>Games exclusive to unpopular consoles sell less than games exclusive to popular consoles.>Both of these statements are true. The Ocarina of Time remake was exclusive to the 3DS, so it flopping is not surprising.PS1: 102 million soldN64: 33 million soldOoT: 7 million soldPS2: 160 million soldGC: 22 million soldPS3: 87 million soldWii: 101 million soldPS Vita: 15 million sold3DS: 76 million soldOoT Remake: 6,4 million soldPS4: 117 million soldSwitch: 154 million sold
>>3886642>Rebirth was primarily a PC gameBruh.
>>3881985>Yoko TaroFake and would be a total shit show or terrible since his style doesn't fit FF at all.May I remind you Xenogears couldn't be FF7 because it was too dark and too sci-fi?
>>3886695Square themselves said it.
>>3886695PC sales saved Rebirth.
>>3886750If it came out first on a console, and then after lagging sales, they pursued a “multiplatform strategy”, it is most not assuredly a “PC game” by definition. It is a console game that was then ported to PC. Square has always been a console company.
>>3886796NTA.FF7 Remake will make its way to Switch 2 and xbox next month, with the whole trilogy getting released on all platforms.A new mainline Final Fantasy on Nintendo, after all these years.
>>3886796>Square has always been a console company.How many FF14 players are on console? That's their only successful game in the last ten years or so.
>>3886882>How many FF14 players are on console?No idea, I stopped playing Square games after 10 because they stopped making games that appealed to me.If you're really going to argue with a straight face that you think that Square is a PC gaming company that develops games for the PC, and not a console gaming company that makes games for consoles (and sometimes ports them to PC after the fact) there's really no point in continuing this conversation. Have a nice day, buddy.
>>3886887>If you're really going to argue with a straight face that you think that Square is a PC gaming company that develops games for the PC, and not a console gaming.Consoles don't make them money anymore. PC makes them money.
>>3881985Main thing they need is to have prelude play on the title screen, intro, file select or something of the sorts. It's not a guarantee of success, but every time they don't do it the game sucks.
>>3886895NTA1. Unless you have figures that aren't publicly available, I doubt that. They've only announced their console sales to any substantial degree, and their year late PC ports never seem to make much of a splash.2. Even if they are seeing their best sales on PC, SE is clinically retarded. They would definitely keep being console first in spite of it all.
>>3886977Seems like the mistake with Rebirth was not being on PS4. Even the Demon's Souls Remake ended up selling only 2 million or so on PS5, about twice the original, at the time niche title.But I think Square has learned that if they don't make a game available on all platforms in the year of 2025, people don't go buying a new console, they go see it on youtube played by streamers.But keeping in mind that xbox wasn't doing well, and Switch didn't have the hardware, so it isn't THAT surprising they went for an exclusivity deal.
