I'm surprised there wasn't a dedicated thread for these games. Anyway, let's post about Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, and Radical Dreamers here.
>>3883809you first faggot.
Actually I have a lore question I hope someone can answer. In Chrono Trigger, why does Lavos awaken twice? It destroyed Zeal in 12,000 BC, but why did it wake up again in 1999, and what was it doing in all those years in between?
>>3883867Lavos wakes early in 12,000 BC because the Mammon Machine was absorbing its power in such close proximity and at such high capacity.
>>3883809I just could never bring myself care about anything beyond the OG Chrono Trigger. I don't know why it always seemed badly designed and developed after the miracle that was the first game.Everything in your pic just screams generic moeshit at me for example which is also largely why I quit paying attention to anime between 2000-2005 as the pedos seemed to take over with moeshit everything. I'm not into little girls nor do I want to fuck my sister, like do we really need that shit in anime and please can it go away already for more things like Attack on Titan or even Karakuri Circus? They look nothing like CT designs IMO.
>>3883809>I'm surprised there wasn't a dedicated thread for these games.
Chomo Trigger
>>3883809Homo Nigger is the only good game in the series
>>3883887I'm talking to the mods right now and you're going to get a big ban for this one
Chrono Trigger was a decent game, but nothing special.Radical dreamers wasn't very good ,writing wise.Chrono cross as a complete failure that tried to reinvent the wheel.The entire series is overrated.
>>3884000>Chrono Trigger was a decent game, but nothing special.For the time it absolutely was a huge deal and a massive achievement. Even to this day it's a tightly and well executed game across the board.It was also the game that popuilarized NG+ and is to this one of the games that did it best and for the right reasons.
Ok,can anyone provide clear instructions on getting all characters on a single save file? I managed to do it, but in the last save file I got, the Harlequin was missing somehow. I don't mind playing the game again in the future, even though it crashed about 30 times, going back to the launcher instead of the game just closing itself meant it was easy to just go back in regardless of the crashes.
>>3883873it's the lack of Toriyama
>>3884025To get Harle back, you must first beat the game while she's still in your party (so on new game +). Then, in your next playthrough, when you summon all the characters through the spatial distortion, she'll be returned to your party.
The black wind howls.... As much as I love cross them not actually explicitly making guile magus really annoyed me, especially since they had that one scene where lucca left behind a letter for janus.
So after chrono got done in by the porre firing squad did they rape nadia or did they give her a humane execution
Cross:>had far too many characters, and you recruit them and lose them at such an absurd pace, very few get any room to breathe>disc 2 is offensively unfinished, and should have a bad reputation for this in the same vein Xenogears does
>>3884357>disc 2 is offensively unfinished, and should have a bad reputation for this in the same vein Xenogears doesI wouldn’t say disc 2 is unfinished; it’s just rushed. And it is not nearly as bad as Xenogears. The reason why Xenogears’ second disc has the reputation it does is because, by drastically reducing the actual gameplay, it becomes a VN with the occasional boss fight. For as flawed as Cross’ second disc is, it still plays exactly like the first disc with allowing the player to roam the world map freely and traverse dungeons.
>>3884393There is 5 hours of content on disc 2, with massive exposition dumps in both dungeons.It's garbage.
>>3884027RIP King.
>>3883809I hate that Chrono cross last act made people forget that anything until the end of the lynx arc is 10/10 Kino.Beeing sent to a world where you are dead,Beeing forced to become the BBEG while Harle switches sides and keeps telling you to just embrace Beeing lynx.There’s a lot of melancholy but it’s set to a backdrop of a peak comfy tropical paradise.No other game managed this sort of feeling for me >inb4 muh nostalgiaPlayed it for the first time last year.
>>3884318Raped in front of Crono before he was killed.
>>3884318>>3884534Is there actually confirmation in-game that Crono is dead? Isn't it possible that Porre took over and Crono and Co. just went into hiding?
>>3884658Lucca is confirmed dead. Crono and Marle might have gone into hiding, but then killed by Lynx before he found Lucca. Guardia was destroyed by Porre before Lynx kidnapped Lucca or did both events happen at the same time?
>>3883809>>3884357The problem with this game is that there were too many characters and we didn't get to focus on character development as much as we should have. Honestly reading about that Magus thing pissed me off; we could have had it if we didn't have such a large party.>>3884000>Chrono Trigger was a decent game, but nothing special.Now sure, but in 95' it was the bee's knees.What else was there back then? Mario RPG, and Seiken Densetsu 3 were released that year, but still. >>3884027RIP, I think he had his hands tied with trying to launch a new manga or doing art for Tobal and DQ seven at that time.
>>3883873> anime between 2000-2005 as the pedos seemed to take over with moeshitI thought that moeshit tookover around 07'ish
>>3884908If it were up to me, the ideal smaller party for CC would be:-Serge / Lynx-Kid-Harle-Leena-Karsh-Glenn-Norris-Fargo-Riddel
>>3884938all pretty plot relevant, we didn't need Karsh/Riddel I mean, just knowing that we patched things up them after the hunting and manner incident would be good enough. With Luccia being revealed as a Lucca in hiding would have been amazing.
>make a sequel to a beloved game>main cast doesn't returnWhy do they always do this?
>>3884938I'd go for:>Serge>Kid>Leena>Nikki (change to black element)>Glenn (change to yellow element)>RazzlyAnd the party that joins post-transformation:>Lynx>Harle>Radius>Norris>Irenes or Fargo>Starky>Leah (change to red element)>Steena (change to black element)Ultimately gives you two of each element, and gives you characters at a reasonable enough pace to accommodate the story.
>>3884526I never played it, played OG Chrono Trigger, owned it when it was out and everything. My ex liked Chrono Cross and wanted me to play it but I ignored her.Should I try it?
>>3885003Idk.Most people that like trigger hate it because how different it is and because of a bit at the end.I’d say if you’re ready to approach it as its own and you are the kind of person that can accept vibes transmitted through music, atmosphere and game mechanics over written dialogue then I’d say hell yeah go for it.Just note that my rating for the game basically ignores the last part because it was rushed and it shows
>>3883923CLUSSY
>>3885000Keeping Nikki is the way.Good job anon
>>3885003Definitely give it a try. CC is a pretty good JRPG in its own right, even if it’s not a very good sequel to Trigger.
>>3884972Cross did it worse because the cast of Trigger got fucked over:Crono and Marle - died when Dalton got Porre to overthrow GarudaLuca - murdered by LinxRobo - was the AI for the lock of the door of Fate that got deletedMagus - implied to be Guile
>>3884972Worked for FF, DQ, Pokemon, Atlus games in general. I think it's hard to justify a returning cast in an RPG because why would they be at level 1 again?
>>3885133It can work.>Arc the Lad 2levels carry over>NIS gamesReturn as lvl 1000+ post game bosses or some fucky spell reduces their level like Etna in Disgaea 2>Kingdom HeartsSora got drained a couple of times like when Roxas got extracted from him or the corruption in Dream Drop Distance and had to level up again.>Worked for FF, DQThose were all different worlds >, Pokemon, They do show up from time to time.
>>3883923>>3885044never understood the clussy thing till I played this game.
>>3884908No, I liked collecting party members like pokemons, desu I always wanted an RPG where you can recruit every single relevant NPC. If anything, I'd like to recruit the Elder of Marbule too.
>>3890731the thing is that most were pretty shit stat wise and didn't have story relevance. I did like the designs though. Did we really need Neo-Fio and fucking Lucky dan?
>>3890773Yes, and we should be able to use them in the Janice Rumble.It's nice to collect "hirelings" they don't need to be so connected to the history, leave the special dialogues to the ones who are more connected to the history like Leena, Glenn, Fargo, etc.
>>3883809It's one REALLY good game, one half-decent VN if you're curious, and one hyper-divisive sequel that didn't need to exist and/or should've been a standalone title or the start of a brand new series.
>>3883809Personally i like CC a lot. I like how the pieces of the puzzle are actually split across dimensions and you have to pay attention to actually solve some stuff. That said it would have probably been better to be able to recruit the original Trigger party members over randos. I do understand that the intent was probably to convey that everyone has to pitch to save the world but still... Still, it´s kind of neat how some events only trigger when you pay attention to those randos stories and let them take care of their unfinished business or confront their regrets or points that twisted their lives. Even in the day this was amazing considering most games had like 3 or 4 actual characters and any additional party members were just filling in.
>>3885020I appreciate games for lots of different things but the main aspect is if it's fun to play or not. The battle mechanics seemed cool from what I recall, I like the art, the music was good from what I heard, so I think it's worth checking out. Thanks anons.
>>3883867Lavos doesn't care what's happening on the surface until it's done grooming the world and drinking it dry so it can launch its crotch spawn into space for other worlds, because it's buried in the mantle where nobody can get it anyways. The one exception is when the world advances to the point where they can possibly kill it. Antiquity was actively draining Lavos's power, and the 1999 world had avanced to the point where if they discovered Lavos again they could kill him. So both times necessitated a preemptive strike.In the original timeline at least because when Magus goes back and fucks around he ends up causing the Queen to summom Lavos directly instead of Lavos waking up because the Sages dug too deep.
Sex with Queen Zeal
>>3884958Can someone explain the Lucca/Luccia thing to me. Is Luccia is supposed to be a descendent of Lucca or some sort of relative? Obviously they share the same color hair and love for science. But Lucca doesn't seem to have time to birth and adult Luccia outside of some mad science that was not explained.>>3885131I think the Belthasar story is perhaps the most interesting thing to come from the first game. In the first game it feels as though Belthasar has died of despair by either wasting away or by his own hand. In Cross, we find out he played with time to save Scala.
>>3884938>>3885000Your central character lists are incomplete and facetious. You expect me to believe both of you independently forgot about Mojo. Samefag.
>>3883809Chrono Trigger is the only good game and it's entirely because Horii was the one actuall in charge of it including writing the story. Kato was just the scripter.
>>3884027No, Horii. Horii was the writer, he was the one in charge of the whole thing. He knows how to write adventure stories that are simple yet charming and full of, dare I say, SOVL; in fact I'd say he's the master of it. Toriyama was good for giving the world a visual component and his style pairs well with the tone of Horii's stories (except in DQ7 because of the shitty art style he was using at the time) but Horii is still the main guy behind everything. His stories and projects are enhanced by Toriyama's visual style but don't necessarily need it. It just helps sell the whimsy.
>>3885131That stuff all unhappens so don't worry about it. Once Schala is freed the time crash never happens which means FATE never turns Wazuki into Lynx which means Porre never invades Guardia which makes etc etc etc.None of Cross sticks. Hence why the last scene is Leena going "what are you talking about, our summer just began!"
>>3895304Im pretty sure she was supposed to be adult Lucca but it was dropped later for the Orphanage story.A cool twist would be that it is Lucca from a timeline where the orphanage stuff doesn’t happen but no such thing is confirmed.Generally there’s a lot of missed opportunities with dead characters.I always thought that in one of the worlds there’s a patient that dies in docs practice.I always assumed it’s home world kid but this doesn’t appear to be the case.Likewise there’s no version of Dario that doesn’t go crazy etc.
>>3895489>Lucca from a time line where she isn't murdered in orphanage.That's actually the best explanation of Luccia I've heard. She appears clearly to be related to Lucca if not Lucca herself, yet the idea of Lucca birthing a now adult child seems a stretch. The biggest hole in that explanation is that she exists in both time lines, yet Lynx killed Lucca in at least one of those time lines.If we believe the following>Lucchia exists in both time lines (fact)>Lucchia is related to Lucca (strongly hinted at in the story)>Lucca could not have birthed Lucchia (not enough time has past from 1000 AD to present time for Lucchia to already be an adult)>Lucchia couldn't be a sister of Lucca's (same not enough time problem for Taban and Lara).Then what is Lucca's lineage? Is she the illegitimate daughter of Taban? Is she a cousin or neice of Lucca? Nothing in the story points to either of these. I think the Lucchia = Lucca is the most plausible explanation here.It would mean Lynx never killed Lucca. Did he think he killed her, but she managed to escape and hide herself in relatively plain sight? Is young child Kid's memory to be believed? Lucca could have easily fooled her at that age. In fact, the letter where Lucca says, something like "don't worry about me. I knew and accepted the consequences when I when I played with time." It almost feels like Lucca/Lucchia is saying "stop blowing my fucking cover and go fix the problems of now."
>>3895814Kid also seems to have quantum immortality,It’s feasible that kid is actually from a third timeline entirely and that the entire orphanage plot didn’t happen in either timeline you interact with in the regular game
>>3895353>No, Horii. Horii was the writerThat post was replying to:>They look nothing like CT designs IMO.Horii has nothing to do with that.
>>3884658Ultimania pretty much confirmed it.
>>3896625I'm sure that Japanese proves it. So was Marle raeped and how raeped?
>>3883809there is only Chrono trigger, nothing else
>>3883867feeding on the planets core. lavos is a parasite. it "woke up" at 12k bc because of the machine siphoning energy from lavos.lavos awoke at 1999 because it was done feeding, made babies and whatnot
>>3897628No, you dumbass. It only mentions them being dead.
>>3897846>Fuck you, acting like any of us can read Japanese.I think the bigger question is not whether Marle was raped, but was she just raped by the Porre army, or if Dalton got first crack at her. From what I understand of Dalton, I would postulate that he indeed took firsts. Would Norris have participated? I would lean towards no, but hard to say how he might feel pressured in a group setting.
>>3892567>1999 world had avanced to the point where if they discovered Lavos again they could kill him.Headcanon bullshit that had nothing to do with it. Lavos wasn't conscious of what level of power humans had. In 1999, he was just done feeding and was ready to wake up. Simple as.
>>3897903Anon, please take your meds and shut the fuck up about your stupid rape fetish.
>>3897829Into the woods...
>>3892567>1999 world had advanced to the point where if they discovered Lavos again they could kill him.Lavos wiped the floor with the world. Can't imagine he was too worried about them killing him around 1999.>>3897928>Simply done feeding.I agree with the done feeding, but I take issue with your 'Simply'. Lavos finished sapping most of Earth's nutrients, so he can and leaves for a greener planet. But why would he waste his energy destroying the surface civilizations? He only needed to burrow out and leave. He destroys the surface civilizations to ensure the population of Earth is no match for his spawns. His spawns still needed to feed on the scraps of Earth that he left behind. Would have gotten away with it to if it wasn't for time travel.
>>3897956>He destroys the surface civilizations to ensure the population of Earth is no match for his spawns.I always thought when it burst through the surface and starts blasting it's releasing his spawn as well. Like it's not shooting lasers, just releasing massive amounts of spawn into low orbit then they crash down onto the planet fucking things up. The ones that survive go on to live on Death Peak and probably other spots. Either way that scene is so rad when you're a kid
After years of everyone shitting on Cross I tried it this year and its actually exceptional. I might like it even more than Trigger. I understand why people would hate it but for me this is better than any of those mock ups for a straightforward sequel to Trigger could be. I also love FF8 though so I might just be a huge faggot.
>>3897967I'm of the opinion that the spines/orbital bombardment are totally accidental side effects of how the species operates. Lavos isn't attacking, it is trying to launch larva/eggs into orbit.
>>3898001Chrono Cross was kind of at its best when it wasn't trying to be a Trigger sequel and just let you soak in El Nido's atmosphere......well, until it stuck you with a crappy 20-ish hour-long MacGuffin hunt with the Lynx body swap section. But that's a pacing issue, not an atmosphere issue.Either way, you can tell most of the non-Kato devs on the team cared way more about creating a comfy, colorful tropical archipelago JRPG than humoring Kato's batshit insane ideas on a Chrono continuity. It's just a shame how much of that side of the game gets thrown to the wayside in favor of the latter.
>>3898029What CC really didn't need was the last 30 minute info dump.
>>3898038I think the bullshit started as early as the Dead Sea, but Chronopolis is where things got irreparably bad in terms of writing.
>>3898022Yeah exactly what I thought. It plays into the whole theme of Lavos just being a wild animal/so far beyond humanity that it doesn't care.>>3898029>>3898046NTA and I think you're objectively right, but man I love the goofy Chronopolis shit. Just hits a spot
>>3898029>El Nido's atmosphere.El Nido is a wonderfully imagined world. While CT is a near perfect game, CC has its problems. The one aspect where I think CC outperforms CT is its musical score. That music drives the El Nido atmosphere, and I think the musical score does a great job of setting the mood of all aspects of the game. The comfy music helps frame the comfy scenes. The exciting music helps amps up the exciting scenes. And the music that builds on CT's music is some of the best. That music does a better job of linking CC as a sequel to CT than anything else.
>>3898106>>3898029>>3898046If you love incoherent Kato ramblings, may I suggest Another Eden.
>>3898001Cross is not a bad game at all. I think Trigger is a near flawless game, but I think there are parts of of Cross that are better than Trigger. >>3898150 music is one aspect. The incident at Ft Dragonia, and the scene where all the dragons attack after tricking you into unsealing them were two parts that excelled above Trigger. I prefer Trigger to Cross, for it's flawless execution. It's close and I respect someone who likes Cross better.
>>3898153Googled this an it actually looks awesome. I'm concerned that it was released as an app. How bad is it?
>>3898150>The one aspect where I think CC outperforms CT is its musical scoreThe one downside to that soundtrack is that the battle theme is in 7/4 (I think) and doesn't have much of a drive to it. It's a good track, it just doesn't fit as a common combat theme. Otherwise, I think CC is Mitsuda's masterpiece
Chrono Cross is shit and everyone hated it, and I will not tolerate this revisionism.>t. played it when it came out
>>3898192Hate is a strong word, but I will definitely never defend the game's story.
>>3898170>Cross is not a bad game at all.This is true because "bad" would be an upgrade. It's a shitty game on its own and as a sequel to Trigger it's an abomination.
>>3898029Lynx arc was great tho >macguffin huntTrue but it’s more about all the little adventures on the wayIt’s after the lynx arc when stuff stops making sense
>>3883809Chrono Cross really needs a remake.
>>3898235Doesn't Chrono Cross basically rely on Chrono and everyone else being huge morons?
>>3898235God I fucking love this nonsense.
>>3897956maybe lavos is just a sadistic douchebag that kills the surface people after eating planets, then flies to another when bored?
>>3898178NTA, but when I played it... 6 years ago or whatever you could basically play the entire story pretty easily for free. Only end-game bullshit was more gacha-y. There's a steam version now, might be more cleaned up even. I don't know.
>>3898153Looks like mobile gatcha.Not a good thing.
>>3898526It's like cheap food wrapped in gold leaf. It rules
>>3898192>Chrono Cross is shit and everyone hated it, and I will not tolerate this revisionism.Saying CC was hated by everyone is the actual revisionism. Yes, a lot of CT fans were disappointed in it as a sequel, but the game was generally highly rated and appreciated. Both by magazines and average gamers reviewing the game. It's not hard to verify this. It was common even for hardcore CT fans to say "great game, terrible sequel."
>>3898192>everyone hated itNobody hated it when it came out, it was highly regarded in both the press and online by actual players.
>>3898974>>3898978>The game was generally highly rated and appreciated [by] average gamers reviewing the game. It's not hard to verify this.>It was common even for hardcore CT fans to say "great game, terrible sequel.">Nobody hated it when it came out, it was highly regarded [by] actual players.Neither of you were around when this game came out, and there's a high likelihood that your knowledge of it comes from a Youtube "video essay retrospective">the game was generally highly rated [by] magazines>it was highly regarded in [...] the pressYou have to be 18 to post here.
>>3899003Like I said, it's not hard to verify that people liked the game. You can still read discussions online from the early 2000s, you can still read the GameFAQs reviews, etc.
https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/can-reviewers-lose-their-cred/405/3You've got to remember how popular Square was in the years after FFVII. Practically everything they put out was praised and had a lot of fans.
>>3899017>Practically everything they put out was praised and had a lot of fans.Because they were absolutely on fire. Look at pic related: could you imagine a single company releasing that many good games over a single year (year and a half more likely) nowadays?
>>3899048>Because they were absolutely on fire. Yeah I fully agree there. I didn't mean the praise was only because Square was popular or anything, they stayed popular because for a long time they were pumping out great games (Chrono Cross included).
>>3899017This sauce might be acceptable on /pol/, but if you were a real game reviewer who really wrote a game review for some edited publication, you wouldn't need to hide as anon. You would have signed that publication with your fucking power word. You wouldn't have any need to hide now.Also I agree Chrono Cross was good. Have some fucking standards though, or go back to /pol/.
>>3899056Eh, I see your point but that user wasn't always anon. The site is just old and it says the account is inactive now, so it seems to have just removed their name. You can even look through their posts still and see them signing their name and sharing their old online identities.Just thought it was relevant to the discussion. Assuming it's true, it shows that not only was Chrono Cross widely liked, it was liked to the point that people sent a bunch of hate mail to someone for not calling it great.
>>3899068Not to say that he's "Peter." Looks like clicking on "anonymous_user" gives you all of the now anonymous posts in a thread. You can see how the quoted post still has a name though.If this guy actually wrote the Chrono Cross Review for Daily Radar, his name is Samuel Bass.https://web.archive.org/web/20010417015726/http://www.dailyradar.com/reviews/game_review_828.html
