I don't mind the themes in both of these games. I just wanna know which one is more fun (eventually I want to play both)
>>3886228BS1 is jank fun with a really rough default assets kind of look at times, mostly elevated by a surprisingly good story and a lot of care for details, though in the grander scheme of things it's more of a necessary but still good stepping stone to the sequel, which is very good. Funger is definitely a better game than BS1, even just on art alone, though I'm not sure "fun" is how I would describe it. It's a very deliberately hostile experience, which is something more game should do but also makes it not for everybody. I'd still recommend it first if that doesn't bother you, especially because the alternative necessitates you play BS2 eventually too and that's easily a 70+ hour game if you're going blind and trying to see most of what you can find. There's also the fact that you'll definitely know if Funger is or isn't for you quickly enough to refund it if the latter is the case.
>>3886237damn is fear & hunger really that hard? I've read that it is difficult but never imagined it was "I'm refunding it" hard
I'll second Fear & Hunger. It's a pretty unique gaming experience, and very very focused (especially compared to its sequel, which I don't like near as much for that lack of focus). It's also incredibly learnable, which I what I like about it. Your first clear of the game is probably... 10 hours? Second might be anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours.
>>3886241It's not that it's that hard, it's that it's a specific kind of hardness that you can reasonably not jive with at all. As much as the image above is bait, "Trial & Error" isn't that far off from the truth.
>>3886236fpbp
>>3886241funger wants you to do things like full clear each floor's rng fights while rolling more 50/50s every time you save
>>3886236if you're gonna play a porn game, at least play a good one. Kamidori and Rance are right there waiting for you
>>3886228Both are very jank, one is Souls trappings in the form of an RPG Maker game, the other is a hardcore roguelike that rewards knowledge and has no concept of EXP or grinding.
>>3886389Skill issue.
>>3886395For me, it's True Love
>>3886236Usually I would I agree with this on those Black Souls and Sequel threads, but FnH only has no fanservicey sexual content at all
>>3886389I love how both of these are actually the opposite advice of what you should be doing
>>3886228Black Souls
>>3886228I enjoyed both BS1 and BS2, tried fear and hunger after playing BS2 and refunded it. It just feels like a time waster, hurr durr trial and error. Sorry i dont have that kind of time. Theres nothing more that i hate than not being able to save whenever i want to
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>>3887911lol playing this rn
>>3886228So are black souls like games first with sexual themes or just straight up hentai games? I was under the impression they were the former but when I looked them up, it just looked like an RPGM hentai game, not that there is really anything wrong with that
>>3887923It initially presents itself as a shallow hentai/nukige JRPG, only to put things on their head in one of the endings. BS2 then runs with it and becomes more and more story-focused as you play it. The combat system becomes more involved too, pic very related.
>>3887924So it starts out as a hentai game and there is less hentai as you go?
>>3886228I bought both but black souls is more fun (although the setting in fear and hunger is more interesting the gameplay loop can get frustrating and old pretty quickly)
>>3886228>buying RPG maker games you can easily just download
>>3887958>Time to spend $500 on fifaslop
>>3889623I don't play sports crap, and I wasn't aware that it was the only alternative to RPG maker games.
>>3886474A true man of culture.
>>3887938More or less.
>>3886228Already bought Fear and Hunger but haven't played it yetBS is a decent game until you reach the first "ending", once you decide to dig deeper and find out what really is happening around you it turns into a very good game imo.BS2 is the real deal, that game is amazing, by far my favorite indie game and one of my favorite games of all times.>>3887911Played it, it was good. Now I need to get through the new content.
play fear and hunger, if you download black souls you'll end up like one of those faggots who spoiler tags every post like a retard
>>3886241The only part that pissed me off at all was the save coin flip
>>3886236
>>3890229FnH doesn't deserve to be here. It's not pornshit enough.
>>3890271Only MGQ and Black Souls could be considered 10/10 games out of those.
>>3890483Yeah, this. Top three are in the "actually really fucking good" category, bottom three you've got one good game, one alright one, and a perennial beta.
>>3886228>sexual contentHorny content or your getting raped by a nightmare content?
I can't imagine playing funger instead of just watching a playthrough/summary. The value of the game is in its lore and aesthetics, I'm not sure how valued the actual gameplay is
>>3890498Yes.>>3890499Insanely braindead take. The biggest artistic value Funger has is the experience you get playing it, and it's one of extremely few games ever to actually push the medium in the direction it does.
>>3890499>earthbound fan excited to play it for the first time>everything I love about this game came from a lore video>"the value of the game is in its lore and aesthetics" (didn't play the game)>"I can't imagine playing funger"actually kill yourself immediately
>>3886228Just buy both, but don't forget the patch for black souls.
>>3890507>one of extremely few games ever to actually push the medium in the direction it does.>t.
>>3890507>trial and error over and over until you look it up and cheese ityeah nice design
>>3890507>>3890516>RNG trial-and-errorNo
>>3890627>>3890629filtered
>>3890642UMM ACTUALLY ALL U HAVE DO IS THROW GLASS SHARDS ANON WHAT A SILLY GAME
>>3890516>actually kill yourself immediatelyYes that is indeed quite a common funger mechanic
>>3890629>>3890627>"I need my games to mollycoddle me and make me feel like I'm achieving something even though they're actually easy as piss and pretend there's a challenge where there is none just so I can stroke my own ego and I will look up a guide at the slightest inconvenience because I treat games as a masturbatory exercise in deluding myself of being a skilled individual and cannot accept anything else."Go back to playing Skyrim.
>>3890772I play games to have fun, not as a masochistic ritual for sweaty basement virgins with too much time on their hands
>>3890969You are a child
>>3890971If you want to go that route: when you think about what game a 40 year old working father of two is playing, is it Funger or Skyrim?Niche, hostile, time-intensive games fit the exact profile of a young, single, "hardcore gamer" with no responsibilities but plenty of time.
>>3890990It really do be like this though
>>3890990Again, you are a child. Most old-heads into rpgs grew up grinding wizardry, ultima, and the like. Do most zoomies and millennials you know take extensive notes and make detailed maps for the games they're playing? Don't assume every hypothetical working class coal mining father of two is as much of a toddler as you are. You should probably migrate to /v/.
>>3890627>until you look it up and cheese itHave you considered not doing that?Like, figure things out yourself. Experiment, try things, find out what does and doesn't work. I guess you can call that trial and error, but...that's fun. It's fun to figure things out. >>3890969>I play games to have funMost people do.
>>3891001Old millennial here, working father with little time for vidya. I do enjoy making spreadsheets and maps.
>>3891014You're a hero man keep it up anon
>>3891024*monkeys paw curls*I make road maps for TES games to record where I’ve walked until I’ve explored the entire map. Last time I played Skyrim, I systematically mined every ore on the entire map exactly once and crafted gear and sold it to buy training, which was my only method to level up. I hit level 32.The last time I did proper mapping was the Modron cube in PS:T, on engineering paper
>>3891027You see? SKYRIM
>>3891029Touché
>>3890969You're the same kind of person who watches Bluey as an adult and goes to reddit to complain when a movie makes him feel uncomfortable. You have no appreciation for art and treat media like masturbation.
>>3891055Fear and hunger can be turned into masturbation when it's treated as a badge of toughness and superiority. It might be even worse to misuse a non-masturbatory game for such self-gratifying purposes.
>>3886236Black Souls was okay. Not bad, but just okay. Suffered from the stock assets and only your own character actually mattering. Fear and Hunger was good. Frustrating, but good. Fun to figure out, neat story and setting, surprisingly good characters. Fuck hard mode, though. Demons Roots was fantastic...mostly. Simple as a game, but still fun to play. Story suffers from some pretty bad ass-pulls, but the moment-to-moment writing is great and the cast is fantastic. And then it caps it off with the worst fucking ending I've ever seen that just completely shits all over the entire rest of the game. Fuck off with your "b-but King Exit" cope, it's still garbage.Seen Monster Girl quest get showered with praise, and I believe it, but shota femdom ain't by bag. Pity.Never heard of the other two.
Black souls is grindslop.Funger actually rewards you for having knowledge / experience of the game - not pointless, mindless grinding.
pirate both
>>3891298You can beat both BS1 and BS2 on lvl 1.
>>3891315can you beat it without an extremely high degree of knowledge, exploits, luck, etc.in other words, possible vs. feasible
>>3891319>knowledgePossible only on repeat playthroughs, once you know how the combat system works. A new player will eat shit, a returning player will do fine even if he doesn't remember the exact item placement>exploitsZero>luckBasically none
>>3891298Insane amounts of skill issue.
>>3891298based retard
>>3891315Yeah you can beat Pokemon on level 1 either with a Rattata if know how.>>3891320>>3891393Triggered weaboo dark souls ripoff enjoyer.
>>3891411>Yeah you can beat Pokemon on level 1 either>eitherThis explains so much.
i don't buy or play streamer or degen bait games on principle. you shouldn't either.
I buy or play streamer and degen bait games on principle. You should too.
>>3891442Degen is next-gen. Only those that don't like reproduction think otherwise.
>>3891413Ok Brown Souls enjoyerNo rebuttals so you resorted to pointless racial insults.
>>3891460self-justification as coping mechanism
>>3891442I don't know who that is but I want to play her game, if you know what I mean.
Buy neither and play both.
>>3892182Funger bothers me because it feels less edgy and more like the dev has a sadomasochism domination and suffering fetish. It's just got that little tinge to it that makes you think it's not dark fantasy but basically wank material for a very fucked up individual.
>>3892182You call it shit game design wise without any actual arguments other than trial and error, which is a component of many RPGs You are saying a lot of horror games are bad too, when it's actually part of what makes the experience.I bet you hate Fire Emblem games too.>>3892444"Wank material"I assume you have personal experience. What a weird projection
>>3892450>I assume you have personal experience. What a weird projectionNah, I've been exposed to similar feeling shit like Demonophobia and House of Velez in the past, it gives off the same vibe
>>3892444Fear and hunger bothers me because the developer is an unimaginative faggot who hasn't created anything new since even before the first game and literally all he made might as well be the equivalent of ai slop pulling random images and fusing them. Doesn't help that he just can't help inserting youtubers and references to them and "currently popular media" into his mediocre games. "Sowie guys I lost months of work because I haven't backed up my files and my laptop broke" Fins should all be killed.
>>3892461Imagine getting bothered by obscure references that only the most chronically online people knew.I rather direct this hatred to a blatant ripoff of Dark Souls piggybacking its name while actually being a waifugrindslop of a game.
>>3892476Both are shit. Both should be rejected on the grounds of being coomer trash. Lazy writing and blatant ripoffs (LARPing as "references") are par for the course, but lower-order human beings eat this shit up anyway because they lack the intellect to engage with quality works.
>>3887924>make yourself the strongest thing in existence>die to random enemy because tranny dev wants to humiliate and emasculate youSouls-slop and its consequences has been a disaster for RPGs.
>>3892483Your post should be disregarded on the grounds of you being a retarded tourist.
>>3892487>what the fuck the dev is forcing me to use strategy instead of being able to brute force everything!
>>3892476>the top score images on his local "spooky" reddit board and popular youtubers are "obscure references"You are a transvestite and you need to kill yourself NOW
There is a particularly disturbing lack of ">buying games" ITT
>>3892586Pirating games is for teenagers and/or losers with infinite free time. If a game isn't worth buying, then it's certainly not worth spending time on.
>>3892650>Pirating games is for teenagers and/or losers with infinite free timeBut losers don't play games! They whine about them on 4chan.
>>3892654>But losers don't play games!Many losers play games.
>>3892658>Many losers play games.They don't. They don't like them cause they can't beat them.
>>3892582A Brown souls enjoyer calling someone else a tranny? Kek
>>3892483>Funger is coomer trashYou never played Funger in the first place.
>>3892527RPGs are a power fantasy genre, sorry.
>>3892960Then why do I always make sure I'm under-leveled in them?
>>3892960>RPGs are a power fantasy genre, sorry.???>The entirety of Wizardry>The entirety of Might and Magic>Goldsource>Mezoberanzan-engine games>ADOM, Nethack, Moria and other roguelikes> et c.Oh wait, I see the problem. You don't play videogames.
>>3892582>Neco the Sergal is a popular youtuberOh shit, you're THAT retarded.
>>3886228Buy Fear & Hunger and then enable the cunny mod.
>>3897581you are a paedophile
>>3886241It's Trial & Error RNG overhyped garbage that has a neat aesthetic that helps to carry it very far.The other game is just slop.Why anybody likes either I don't understand at all. They're crap games.
>>3897636>Trial and ErrorBut this is literally every RPG difficulty if you play it blind?Even Dark Souls is trial and error.
>>3897682This is on the level of "every probability is 50/50 because it either happens or it doesn't"
>>3897682omg please be baiting. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are baiting. Merry Christmas bros.
>>3897704Lol you are the one shitposting and cant accept the fact that is the truth
MGQ's porn is mostly bad, sometimes horrifying, the art quality is all over the place, it's an automatic hard filter for being ss, it's got so many things going against it, only strength is writing/worldbuildinggood game though, Alice best girl
>>3886228I got both Funger games, haven't even found my first bed yet but was lucky enough to save with a random magical book I found.The first elite guard is raping me, Im currently trying to bait him into a bear trap and then enter combat, he has a ! sign above his head which he didn't before, but he still kicks my ass. Any advice?
>>3898908>The first elite guard is raping meFunny how in funger this is literal
>>3898908>Any advice?Elite Guard is a particularly annoying one for how early you can run into it relative to how strong it is, especially on certain layouts, but I think it's also one you want to try to avoid early on (or even forever if you can). A lot of Funger is in how combat is realistically a net loss and you want to avoid most of it. There's not much to gain from beating it and the setup you need to be safe against it isn't something you'll have access to on high floors. The RPG mentality of killing big things for loot does play a part of Funger, but in ways that aren't immediately clear or available and in much lower measure than the typical RPG.
>>3898908His patrol is scripted as him walking back and forth, so wait until his back is turned. You can sneak behind him, go through the door to get Le'garde, and then sneak out the same way. That way you don't have to fight him at all.
>>3892650dumbest post i've read in the last 2 weeks
>>3897776>MGQ's porn is mostly bad, sometimes horrifying, the art quality is all over the placeYep, I do wonder if there were actually people who gooned to it?If not, someone should tell Torotoro that they are unnecessary.
>>3900286Not him but there are a few scenes I enjoyed enough to do that. It's still like sub-5% because I'm not into shota/femdom/macro/vore, but some of the less absurd monstergirl designs were good enough to overlook that, and the game has a lot of scenes.Also, I'm almost sure that some of the scenes (especially in part 3, but not only there) are supposed to make you horrified rather than horny.
>>3899070Turn your monitor on.
>>3900418>implying that anon got the No. correctly with monitor turned offEither the >>3899070 guy is a super genius or you are a complete moron.
>>3886228>Black SoulsHow can you be split between a game and some gooner bait? Afaik there never has been a H game with good gameplay, narrative and characters. Prove me wrong gooners
>>3900436>Prove me wrong goonersBunny Black, Camidori Alchemy Meister, Daibanchou Big Bang Age (Any of the Dai games, really), Enatus Radi, Fall in Labyrinth, Eien no Aselia, The first Utawarerumono,Yes, My Lord!Fate/Hollow Ataraxia
>>3900426>a complete moron.Don’t sign your posts.
>>3900436Black Souls has some fun exploring and the DLC of the 2nd game can be challenging
>>3891319I almost did it on my first playthrough of 2 and all I had was the knowledge from the first game.
>>3900493A sign begin on the next line or a separated by comma, you moron.
>>3886228>fun Purely gameplaywise, Black SoulsBut both are a weird choice if the thing you're looking for is fun.
>>3900506>moronDon’t sign you are posts.
>>3900436>gameplayKamidori Alchemy MeisterBaldr Sky>narrative and charactersThe entire VN genre is filled to the brim with great stories. Muramasa and Dies Irae are my favourites. BS2 is the only game where I liked all 3 elements though. Typically the story sucks or the gameplay sucks/is non-existent.
>>3900522Toro wanted to make RPGs and only threw in sex scenes when making RHW because he felt he had to if he was selling it on DLSite, by his own admission, and the result is that as the series progressed while there are still some scenes purely there as porn a lot of it is character and plot relevant scenes that further a narrative that happens to have sex as one of its core elements rather than the usual h-game case of plot as an excuse to get to the sex scenes.
>>3900409Yeah maybe gore + porn does mix well sometimes
Fear & Hunger is literally one of the best RPG Maker games ever made that shits on 90% of popular JRPGs
>>3901996So is BS2. Two things can be good.
>>3902152Two things can also be bad, as is the case with both Trial & Error and Black Soles.
>>3902229Calling it Trial & Error literally means you are calling out the main method of playing RPGs blind. There are better ways to slander Funger.
be a real funger fan and do a coinflip
>>3902240If you're flipping coins on anything that isn't bookshelves you probably failed to play the game right.
>>3902243A little hyperbolic don't you think
>>3902248No, the anon is right. Avoiding triggering coin flips is the point of the game.
>>3902249This is why you skip FnH1 and get the second, where the success rate of crate-looting isn't RNG (although the loot quality is).A digital coin flip is basically a 50% chance in RNG terms.
>>3902249If avoiding coin flips is the point of the game then is there a way to avoid them without prior knowledge, or is it a process of trial and error?
>>3902256>then is there a way to avoid them without prior knowledge, or is it a process of trial and error?Trial and error is the point. You're not a hero, you're a fool stuck in a deathtrap. The only reason why any of the heroes see resolution to their stories is because of the most powerful eldritch entity that controls time - (YOU).
>>3902256>mfw the horrible rape and murder dungeon simulator actually simulates the experience of being a base NPC faced with horrific fuckery instead of being power wanking chosen hero simulator number one billion Genuinely gamers are so retarded and actively against games being good. This is on par with complaining about a movie being a tragedy. >>3902253All stuff that actually matters in 1 (spells, penance, special weapons, items, souls, mask, etc) you can get consistently, and gunning for scrolls makes getting anything else you may need consistent too. You never really get fucked by loot rolls, at most you get lucky, but getting through the early portion is more about knowing your pathing than anything else. And making sure you start with Dash.
>>3891442This one looks like she's from Lona. If that's the case, then too bad.
>>3902743She's from a content mod for Darkest Dungeon.
>>3886228Why is LonaRPG such trash? It plays like it's designed for you to lose and get raped. Your woman gets tired after a few swings. I stopped playing when I>Found goblins raping some dude>Kill the unarmed, naked goblins with ease>Last goblin remains, naked, save for a shitty wooden shield and a spear. I get behind him and start swinging>deal 2 dmg>keep at it for 10 minutes, hitting the goblin in his bare back, but he takes next to no damage>Finally run out of potions and get KO'dWhy is the game like this? If you get stabbed in the back with a sword, you die. It doesn't matter that you have a wooden shield.
>>3904854Yeah, you didn't bother to play safe and study the world. Get filtered, scrub.
>>3904856Elaborate what the fuck you mean, I had sword, shield and armor, bunch of health potions and stamina potions. The other goblins were easy to kill but the game throws these overpowered enemies so you get raped. It's shit. I was hitting a naked goblin with a shitty shield. In the back. He couldn't have blocked it.
>>3904857>no kite resting, the most basic mechanic in the game>no traps>no barrel blasting>no orcslayer companion>no bow kitingGet fucked.
>>3904861>You are a shitty goblin>With a crude wooden shield and a spear>A woman in armor and a sword gets behind you and slashes your bare, green goblin ass with a sword. Then she does so again and again. >You don't get hurt in any way, not even bleeding>Woman Gets so incredibly tired she has to take a powernap after 2 more swings, or chug a potion, because she has the endurance of a man in his 90s with advanced arthritis>More goblins spawn out of thin air for the rape sceneYeah you're right. I'm just a wee-wee woman who tickles her opponents with the dull part of the sword's blade. I should have cheesed them by using traps and shit. Genius.
>>3904864> I'm just a wee-wee woman who tickles her opponents with the dull part of the sword's blade.Yes. You are at least 3.6 times weaker than an average man.
>>3904854>It plays like it's designed for you to lose and get rapedBecause it is.
>>3904884Well, it doesn't matter, because when a woman stabs a man with a sword, he'll die all the same. Especially when she does so from behind.>>3904895I think the worst part of it is how retarded that bitch is. She is so naive it comes off as caricature. It's not hot at all. That SEAmonkey should have made a regular porn game instead of this shit. It's neither a good porn game nor a good RPG.
>>3886236>picrel>fear & hungersex =\= pornIs Game of Thrones porn?Is Dragon Age porn?Is Mass Effect porn?Is Baldur Gate 3 porn?
>>3897636>Why anybody likes either I don't understand at all. They're crap games.it's has unique gameplay mechanics that distinguish it from traditional RPGs. people want something new people tired with traditional RPG gameplay
>>3905441>Is Game of Thrones porn?Kind of, yes. More than the other four.
>>3905441F&H2 has next to no porn and F&H1 has very bad porn, namely small sprites fucking. If someone actually jerks off to it, then I'd be surprised.On the other hand the rest of the games are genuine coomer slop games filled with H-scenes and extensive amount of writing describing the act.
>>3886474I like how the MC has to tell one of the girls that his dick is bigger than a Vienna sausage during their lunch date. Peak tiny penisu moment.
>>3886228BS1Bs1 is a porn grind game. F&H is a dark puzzle game.>>3886241if you come into it expecting a normal rpg, yes. It is an rpg but it's also a survival puzzle game.>>3887924tbdesu the last dlc of the second game is a pretty far for the combat to start being involved. It does get a bit involved before but not as much. Especially for BS1, it's mostly be stomped or stomp by grinding. You CAN lv1 but that's generally not how people play.
