I loved FF7 and FF8, but Kefka, unlike temper tantrum Sephiroth, was the equivalent of Batman's Joker becoming a God, sadistic freak who can make almost anything he wishes happen to the whole planet at will, could make a terrasque piss himself on the spot, and could burn whole cities with a laser called the light of judgement.
>>3894482(How Final Fantasy VI BROKE my sissified brain and made me choose the career of a youtube content creator focusing on video game retrospectives)
>>3894482... ok?
>>3894482He's a Saturday Morning cartoon villain: No depth to his character other than some throwaway lore text from 1 NPC, just pure evil.
>>3894546He's damaged.
there's worse written badguys in the franchise like this fuck that SE had no idea what they were doing
>>3894546Pretty much, but he's a good Saturday Morning cartoon villain. That laugh alone does a lot of work.
>>3894482>was the equivalent of Batman's Joker becoming a God,Oh, Joker was a way more effective god than Kefka ever was. All that clown ever did was burn and destroy, reduce everything down to flaming smolders without so much as a knock knock and I have to ask "where's the fun in that?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu5QmhnRo94
>>3894546That's a completely fine way to handle a villain and if anything that should be the default antagonist
>>3894825>I did what the gods wanted me to do and they shunned me anyway>I'll get pissed at my brother over this and hatch a thousand year long plan to end my own family line instead of directing any anger at the gods for being asshats
>>3895163>>I did what the gods wanted me to do and they shunned me anyway>>I'll get pissed at my brother over this and hatch a thousand year long plan to end my own family line instead of directing any anger at the gods for being asshatsstuff only revealed in the Ardyn DLC, 2 years after the game launched in an EA state
>>3894546He is designed like a Pokemon rivalI'd still say better than your average Saturday morning cartoon villains like Zeromus, Exdeath / Ultimecia
>>3894546compared to x-death just a game prior kefka sure has a lot more personality. now THAT is a saturday morning cartoon villian. compare kefka to any dragon quest big bad evil guy final boss. hes much much better
>>3894482I didn't really get Kefka at first, but there is something about underestimating a person who believes in nothing so much that, as a general of an empire, he chooses to be seen as a fool.
>>3895539simple but great analysis of kefka and why hes such a good villian.
>>3895530>ultimeciayou take that back nigger, ultimecia is a great villian. you might not actually see her until the very end but her actions are constantly fucking with everything and the spookiness/mystery of it all is what makes her great.
>>3894825Remember "pick up artists"? Always got a PUA vibe from him.
>>3895623no>>3895552>bitch out of nowhere>great
>>3895535kefka and exdeath are a lot alike desu. kefka is mindbroken over magitek treatment but he wasn't really all there before.exdeath was a happy tree that got EVIL'D and now he just wants to destroy everything. but again this is probably another case of blindfold playing ffv
At some point people got super gay over the idea of a "VILLAIN NEEDS TO BE THE HERO OF THEIR OWN STORY." But that's lame. And gay. And it just devolves into your badguy being a sad boi who dindu nuffin and your left with a boring pathetic bad guy. What really makes a great villain at the end of the boils down to one thing. PRESENTATION. A grand villain needs to be big. Flashy. Steal the show every time he's on screen and if he's around something monumental and bad needs to happen. That's a super villain. That's a proper bad guy.
>>3895686AND NOW THE END IS NEAR AND SO I FACE MY FINAL VERDICT
>>3895676I like the theory that Kefka was a hero knight before the experiment.
>>3895671>out of nowhere>didnt understand the plot award
>>3895796>I was possessing someone and was there all along!lamest plot twist out there
>>3895851I thought it was lame on the first playthrough but on repeats I thought it was brilliant. true for many things about ffviii for me personally
>>3895860I don't feel motivated giving that mess another shot.The cast suckedRomance suckedThe methods to get stronger without killing foes is a chore
>>3894482Kefka is just another generic nihilistic antagonist, Final Fantasy has a billion of those already.
>>3895868can you try the succesion mod lmao i wanna see someone's take on this fanfic
>>3895851>lamest plot twist out thereI consider 7 one of the high-points of the series but there's no arguing the amnesia/self-delusion twist is worse. Especially when you factor in Tifa going along with it.I know 8 recycled it with them all losing their memories and shit but at least they put a few hints in for those paying attention.
>>3894482"mwahahahahaha!"aura destroyingEveryone focuses on him at the end of the game but for the majority of the game he's a dumb loser, sephiroth was way better throughout the early to mid story
>>3894865Because Kefka isn't the Joker. Kefka was a nihilist driven to bitter rage and despair over his lack of belief in any meaning in life. He destroyed because everyone else's lives and the world they constructed were a sick joke to him. He was angry that they seemed to be able to have happiness and contentment which he very profoundly could not find for himself, all because they believed in what he considered a stupid delusion. He wanted to destroy that delusion so that they would be forced to confront the conclusion which tormented him. The chortling laughter and harlequin costume were to ensure that it was explicit he was playing the role of Foole. The purpose of the fool is to subvert and lay bare the foundations of culture and society, or in other words to reveal through mockery how false everything is. It's traditionally done with humor for the sake of reinforcing humility in those with power... but when those without power are targeted, the role takes on a darker and more serious ultimate conclusion. For example, by destroying the entire world with the scorching revelation of objective truth. A kind of illumination by true evaluation. Or... a light of judgement... one might say...The Batman's Joker is different, and has had many incarnations sometimes with very very different motives and philosophy being espoused, and they've all been analyzed to death for decades and decades. So you can read more about that elsewhere on the shiternet.
>>3895968The entire amnesia cliché is so exhausted, and it was already tired when anime rode that shit into the ground throughout the '80s and '90s. Like heterochromic eyes. Blonde guy with a sword.7 was absolute peak of the anime cringe tropes of the era and still remains the premier textbook example of trashy clichés and everything embarrassing and shitty about anime as a stylization.
>>3896303>being too insecure to enjoy anime cringekino
He and sephiroth share similar dispositions. They are both soldiers created for war. In fact, this is parallel to Terra who is a child soldier.
>>3895910>t. never played Final Fantasy
>>3895535>>3895530Okay but can we all appreciate and love Exdeath for his magical splinter act?
>>3896303I'd argue 7 is not anime cliche at all - sounds like you are the type to take things too literally
>>3897408It's the FF5 fanboy
>>3895552>>3895860Ultimecia was a retarded villain with no presence and no stand out traits beyond a dumb speech impediment because Japan thinks spelling WordS like this is cool.
>>3900653Why are you so bitter.
>>3900666Because of retards like you plaguing the world.
>>3894865>batman is now a gay broadway musical BRING BACK THE CLOSET PLEASE!
>>3895686he was a fucking tree and I couldn't figure out why he was evil and it wasn't just the localization's fault
>>3900653In the Japanese version Ultimecia is a tranny, the speech impediment is something they did instead in the translation because gendered first person pronouns aren't a thing in English.
>>3900653agreed. 2nd worst written villain of the entire franchise
>>3896300Where does he say all this shit?IRL the empire makes no sense. They knew from Terra that esper-human hybrids were possible and useful, so they should've set up a breeding program with young men & women of the nobility, with Gestahl himself getting first crack at Shiva or Siren. That would also make at least the male espers more cooperative, and they may have shared the secret of magicite.Breed out one generation with espers then breed back in with humans to avoid genetic issues.Then they could make bank as healers, or use magic to aid in technology. Imagine a welder that can create an acetylene torch flame from his hand.In this scenario the empire would be at least neutral.Vanilla game the empire & kefka are more evil for it's own sake than for any practical or rational reason.
>>3900748>Imagine a welder that can create an acetylene torch flame from his hand.I don't need to imagine this, we have welders at work. They do this when they make stuff for me. God bless them.
>>3900748>boomers holding absolute power:>let's think of and hand over power to future generations and peacefully coexist and racemix with another speciesNow that would be unrealisticWait it is kinda realistic
>>3900757But I think it's natural for powerful people to hoard power to themselves, and not think of future generations, and to not be willing to give espers an ounce of rights
>>3900725>and it wasn't just the localization's faultThis is a true statement but not the way you want it to be. Retard.
>>3900725he was a tree with a bunch of demons sealed in him
>>3896283That's such a bizarre thing to say. Sephiroth is (famously) so fucking juvenile in his cringey edgelord bullshit. He's visibly straining and begging you to call him cool. And that's just not how coolness works. It isn't aura to wear a fucking trenchcoat in the mall foodcourt with a stupid long grey wig and an impractical, compensatory sword. That's fucking cringe as fuck.At least Kefka doesn't give a fuck whether you think he's cool. And THAT is aura.
>>3901150I think the big issue with Sephiroth is that he just kind of doesn't do a whole lot. I mean yeah you get the flash back, he torched the town and spiked a snake but there's not really that interaction. In most scenes he's in he just stands around and either says something vague or nothing. Even when Aerith dies he's just mute. And yeah there's also the issue that this wasn't even him most of the time and the whole Jenova issue really muddies it. He "LOOKS" cool in that hot topic weeb goth kind of way but he's just kind of a plot device for a lot of the game. Compared to say Luca Blight that dude was a constant and active threat. You witness first hand his barbarism. He runs you around multiple times. Every time he's on screen it feels like something extremely bad is about to happen. He causes war and death and revels in it as he cuts down people like swine. That's a villain. That's how you make an audience hat your badguy. And I think this is probably the worst thing that happens with Sephiroth. His audience likes him.
>>3901209>I mean yeah you get the flash back, he torched the town and spiked a snake but there's not really that interaction.You honestly forgot that he killed Cloud's mom, Tifa's dad, almost killed Tifa and destroyed their home
>>3901314>You honestly forgot that he killed Cloud's momNo she didn't, it's a blink and you miss it moment but she can be seen walking around the Golden Saucer. Either that or Square were lazy and reused her model as a generic npc... I'll let you decide.
>>3901473Square reused her model because otherwise there would be a big scene about it
>>3894482FF16's Barnabas was a good minor villain. Such a depressed arsehole, but his burst of manic joy and excitement over finally being rivaled made me like him. He's also the type of character that one could imagine seeing the light and switching to the hero's side.. in a timeline where things turned out different.
>>3894482the meta thing that makes kefka work is that he's introduced like a silly side villain but progressively bends the game around himself until he's all that there is.
>>3901314I said he burned the town. That includes all the collateral damage related to said act of arson. More importantly the game doesn't really want to acknowledge said patricide much itself. Frankly for a pair of people whose entire home and life were destroyed Cloud and Tifa are remarkably dull about the whole ordeal. Tifa barely acknowledges shit once Sephiroth is back in play. This should be a moment of absolute terror and fury for both of them. Hell when you return to the rebuilt town it's a complete non issue after a mild surprise. And again, it doesn't really change the issue that Sephiroth is, despite all this, a boring villain who stands around. Even the village burnination his big scene? Standing around. He barely acknowledges either of their existences. With the Turks and the Shinra guys you get a bit of back and forth, you get some interaction. Sephiroth is a cardboard cut out.
>>3901767Failing to acknowledge important stuff reveals your analysis is lacking
>>3901798>Failing to acknowledge important stuff reveals your analysis is lacking>Frankly for a pair of people whose entire home and life were destroyed Cloud and Tifa are remarkably dull about the whole ordeal.>Hell when you return to the rebuilt town it's a complete non issue after a mild surprise.I'd actually say his analysis is pretty astute.
>>3901816It's still lacking, and you should replay the game to refresh your memory
>>3901824>It's still lacking, and you should replay the game to refresh your memoryIf that was the case why don't you directly address and expand on his analysis.>You honestly forgot that he killed Cloud's momAlternatively, why don't you elaborate on this, the game doesn't expand on his moms death beyond a ham-fisted throwaway line to make Sephiroth appear more 'evil' in the most generic of ways and it has no effects on Clouds motivations or feelings towards Sephiroth.Might as well add a "and my goldfish, mr fishy died from the heat" for all the ramifications it has.
>>3901835Because your analysis is poor. I'll give you a compliment if you ever make a good one
>>3901209>Even when Aerith dies he's just muteRetard that never played the game.
The best Final Fantasy villain is Golbez. Prove me wrong.
>>3901314You forgot the fact that the fact it's so fucking forgettable says a lot about the way the game failed to present those events. Even the characters literally forgot it... Let that fucking sink in.
>>3901209>AerithCan’t even spell a main characters name right. Definitely didn’t play the game.
>>3901906>the fact that the fact it'sActually you're the one still forgetting things that would be relevant
>>3901899He looks cool and has a rad theme but in the game he's kind of pathetic. Only fight you have against him is trivial and he's not even the real villain.Playable Hobo Golbez is one of the only good things in TAY.
>>3901941>Only fight you have against him is trivialRydia showing up is a cool moment at least, and his dragon is cool.
>>3901852>Because your analysis is poor. I'll give you a compliment if you ever make a good oneYou can't even analyse a post correctly. I wasn't looking for compliments, I was giving you the floor to set the record straight.But as it happens, it turns out it was already level and you were trying to deflect. If you can't accept Sephiroth is one dimensional, that's on you, but try and keep your tizzy-fit in your rottencrotch panties.
>>3902009You were looking for me to fix your flawed analysis for you. If you ever come up with something that doesn't need correcting, I'll compliment you.
>>3900653Ultimecia is a mistranslation. It was supposed to be Artemisia like the ancient queen of Halicarnassus. Artemisia is Halicarnassus from FF5. You visit his/her castle in 5 where it exists outside of space and time. In FF14 they explain this when you fight Ultemicia/Halicarnassus. Sorceresses are magic trannies in Final Fantasy. The reason Ultimecia speaks the way s/he does is because it's supposed to sound masculine. It looks like a woman but speaks like a man. It's an evil tranny from earlier in the series. It wasn't a great villain but it didn't exactly come out of nowhere if you played 5 and were clever enough to put the pieces together.
>>3902058>You were looking for me to fix your flawed analysis for you.Not my analysis, but I like your cope. Keep clinging to it.
>>3902079>Not my analysis
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>>3902072>If you played other game this other game is less shit and in other game....Shut up.
>>3900750Welders cost money to train & equip though.>>3900757>>3900761The most likely political organization to occur post Esper orgies is a magical aristocracy, which will result in polygamy for the magical men & incelery/slavery for the muggle men. Pass on power to future generations so you can fuck the rest of the world.Then conflict with machinist kingdoms to the north, and fights to block access to new espers to expand breeding program (which could have genetic issues due to inbreeding [or founder effects among human sires] to keep magical power up, genetic incompatibilities with espers, or genetic instability in some cases resulting in turbo cancer).
>>3902072>FF8 fan pulling shit out his ass by trying to tie that lame badguy to other, better, FF games>againit's like the fucks that claim that the Bahamut in the Stranger of Paradise DLC is 15's Bahamut
None of them have really great villains but at least Kuja has a reason he's so fucked up. Okay so the game never outright tells you that Garland was raping him every day for years but come on, you don't make someone who looks like that if that isn't what you're going to do.
My favorite is Final Fantasy 6, 7
>>3896416You just know Kefka raped her with the slave collar but they can't outright say it.
>>3894825I think FF15 was just an ad to sell instant noodles and fancy suits
>>3896283Guy got several named kills (Emperor, Leo). Thats way more than most FF villains.
>>3903619everything about that game honestly disgusted me
>>3894825Second lamest villain in Final Fantasy, only because Seymour exists.
>>3904326at least Seymour didn't have his entire backstory retconned to the point it ruined the ending
