I just unlocked this little nigga. Is she good?
>>3899317Does this pick up later on? I played the demo and wasn't sold, all the protagonists were bland and all the villains were retarded caricatures (even compared to 1 and 2). I've seen a lot of people sucking it off saying the writing is better than 1 and 2, but it didn't match my experience of the demo and I'm suspicious I'm being misled by brainwashed mobilefag shiteaters.
>I AM VIATORThat you are, King.
>octopath traveler>triangle strategy >unicorn overlordWtf ate these titles Do Japanese just not want to make money?
>>3899317Easiest Mage to get 99,999 damage with and has stronger SP regen than Alexia. He's like an alternative to her who exchanges weakness discovery for buff support. He's no Temenos though, but him and Alexia mogs the shit out of Cyrus and Xerc.
>>3899319>and all the villains were retarded caricaturesKeep going
>>3899317Why people keep posting his cotc art instead the ot0 one?
>>3899361Better question why do people think he’s a girl
>>3899365Both jp and eng voices are women, so the confusion is kinda understandable. Not many people know he is based on Hirohito's male cat.
>>3899348all three of those games sold fairly well for their niche. The weird titles have the effect of being more distinct.
>>3899423>>3899348The real one you missed is DioField Chronicle, a game that sold so poorly it still hasn't past SE's threshold of returns for removing Denuvo three years later. Unicorn Overlord sounds like it should be a midboss.
>>3899319>saying the writing is better than 1 and 2and they're massive liars, lmfao. this game's writing is actively offensively bad this time, instead of just being simple and bland like normal
>>3899449wait until the remove all alaune dialogue mod comes out
>>3899317SEX WITH ISLA
>>3899359Shan't, I think>>3899449That was my suspicion, thanks
I’m still say they nerfed my goat Tressa.
>>3899526They overcompensated. Made Cyrus and Olberic pretty good and fucked over all the powerful characters in 1 outside of H'aanit. I still find use for Tressa though, honestly prefer her to Ludo outside of Negotiation and Polearm breaking since she's more specialized in buffing your DPS and grabbing stuff from bosses. Her ult would've been good if you can hit 5 times with a selected weapon though since they wanted to imitate Hired Help.
So I know this game comes from a mobile game but I saw an small part of the beginning of the mobile game and seemingly choosing any of the Masters start their own self contained protag.My question is, does those protags show up as party members?Is Stia a 0 addition?Btw are there plans to port stuff like crossover characters or whatever post this game launch characters?
>>3899348>bravely default>various daylife
>>3899572Stia, all of the Wishvale characters, aswell as every party member except for the OT1 cast and CoTC-plot relevant characters are new and were added with Octopath 0. I don't know about any future updates or content but I kinda doubt it. The self contained protags do not generally join your party in those stories, but they will assist in story relevant battles sometimes.
sex with bargello
>>3900638Tatrocha...
I can't believe they paired up the only two black characters together
So which job ended up being the best on MC in the end outside of starting with Merchant?
>>3900682Hunter with Arrow of Fortune, Mystic Shot and Borrow BP.
>>3900683Shit that's what I'm running lmao. Dancer could've been interesting but they threw a lot of buffers at you later in the game.
>>3899317I liked Octopath 2, is this really worth playing or just phoneslop?
>>3900683wtf why are you literally me... i have vivify and donate bp as actives instead of arrow of fortune though. i should probably get back to using that considering how hard it is to actually get jp in this game. does anyone else use ha'anit as their backrow bp battery/arrowstorm user?
>>3900913I don't use H'aanit at all.
Isn't the game a bit overpriced?
>>3901793yeah lol
>>3901793It should've been like $30-40.I mean sure the upgrades to many boss sprites, environments, and new tunes are nice, but it's still effectively CotC: Console Version + extras.OT2 was and still is the better overall game.
These threads had more sovl when the schizos were around
>>3901827>OT2 was and still is the better overall game....+1hopefully octo 3 leans towards trying to be more of the same to 2 than 0.
>>3901856This isn’t Reddit lil bro
>>3901856it will, most likely. i can't imagine they would just regress the series like this, although i can imagine they might keep an idea or two of the 0 gameplay for the rest of the series>>3901863you say, while speaking like a tiktoker
>>3901828Nah. Schizos should off themselves.
>>3899576No I mean for example when this player chose Wealth, pic was the protag.What I'm asking is if this girl is in 0 as a playable party members or story characters or if they were not included.
>>3901926I miss that nigga that went around editing Ochette pics, he’s funny>>3902244Only the story relevant characters made it into 0. That one didn’t
>>3901793Seems appropriately priced. Many 30$/40$ games don't offer as much content as this does. I am willing to pay 50$ if it means SE makes real games out of their gachas.>>3902275Thats a shame. Wonder why since they have bios meaning that they had a place in this world that could have been used.
cotc has a lot of charactes, but, not so much art, wonder if the unused ones will show up in a octopath 3 ?kinda wish ALL the characters and villians had more art, but with so many, i guess it is a wait and see thing.https://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-42/otcotc-sofia.html
>>3902596>Thats a shame. Wonder why since they have bios meaning that they had a place in this world that could have been used.They're the launch 5*s and their own small story quests to boot.If the OT1 cast wasn't shoehorned in, the CotC 8 could've been utilized instead. All of them especially my man Gilderoy was done dirty with OT0.
>>3902749The gachas characters aren't the faces of the game: the villains are considering OCTOPATH.Much like the main 8 in both console games, you barely ever see any art of the NPCs in comparison.
I want to like this game really bad but right now I'm miserable. I enjoyed 1 quite a bit and had fun playing a bit of CotC back when it first dropped, so it took me by surprise how little I'm enjoying myself. Combat and exploration are fine, but my main problem is that I hate the story. I only finished Master of Power and now I'm really hesitant to keep going. It all feels pointlessly, overly dark. It feels like I'll be able to accurately predict what will happen next just by asking "what's the worst possible thing that could happen?" I'm also disappointed the majority of mobile characters were cut, I was hoping to use Fiore in a real game because she is cute. The only character I have now I particularly like is Tressa (who I'm not sure counts since she's not a new character), and I like Macy from a gameplay perspective. I see that that mod project to add in the mobile stuff is coming along quickly, but sadly I bought the game on console.I thought I heard the game gets better after Master of All, but that feels way too far away...
>>3902771>but my main problem is that I hate the story.as mentioned in >>3902755>55>: the villains are considering OCTOPATH....so i find it helps with the 'story / direction' to be the same class as the villian your chasing down.started as warrior cause thats how daddy raised me... went straight to Power, and yeah, it is a slug through....Stia cute, your Fiore, she great cute too...
>>3902779The Cuckquean of Wishvale...
>>3902771>I heard the game gets better after Master of AllEither the writing takes a nosedive or it becomes one the better jrpgs. It's either one or the other.Gameplay "could" get better, but RIGHT AFTER completing MoA, you finally gain access to Surpassing Power. And you know what that means with your damage output.
>>3902771MARVELOUS and Pardis III carry the antagonist side of the game. None of the others compare.
>>3902779>so i find it helps with the 'story / direction' to be the same class as the villian your chasing down.>OT0 apothecary MC that late into the gameYou're just torturing yourself at this rate.
>>3902771I’m 75 hours into this game around 88% through the story and I don’t feel like the game gets better especially writing wise. It’s such a drag that I’ve been skipping some cutscenes, I already played cotc to the end so I know what happens but that’s still a bad sign. I’ve been dissapointed about the absence of cotc characters before the game even released since the producer revealed they won’t be in this game, pointed it out several times how it’s such a missed opportunity and they should be in. It feels vindicating seeing others here start to feel the same, oh well, at least the mod for adding them in is going along at a quick pace
You are all imbeciles.
>>3902804> It feels vindicating seeing others here start to feel the same...you are completely vindy.who thought the oct1 cahr needed to be in ?would absolutely have loved if this game stood on its own char.Fuck, now i want a Fiore !!!!
>>3902809>who thought the oct1 cahr needed to be in ?The director, apparently.
>>3902782Cucking Stia with Isla
>>3902809>who thought the oct1 cahr needed to be inHe is the director cat
>>3902809It’s even stupider because the producer said that recruiting the ot1 characters makes your playthough non-canon. Motherfucker you don’t care about canon in the first place, just say you wanted them in the game so that people have more of a reason to play the game. And yes, I want sofia and fiore in my octopath 0, especially their ex jobs
>gachacucks getting rowdy againFuck off to /vgm/
>>3902818Anon finally learns OT0 is not canon lol.Remember: it's a big Cross Story, and its likely to be denied in the current arc.
>>3902820It is canon just not the ot1 characters.>>3902816He meant ot1 characters. Isla wasn’t in OT1.
I'm thinking of replaying 2 with new dawn mod, thoughts?
>>3902818>just say you wanted them in the game so that people have more of a reason to play the game...- turns out to be one of the negatives of the game.- lul, is the director a fucking boomer ?always the wrong zig to the zag with these fuckers.
>>3902819Nah. I'd stay.
>>3902899>99new dawn mod okay, wut it do ?just a difficulty thing.octo neeeds to steal [new game +] from tristag ?
>>3899425Was DioField any good?
>>3902927>okay, wut it do ?items rebalance, skill rebalance, etcand yes the enemies stats also have been uppedthere's also shadow hold mod but idk
>>3902771The average writing quality is much better than what you've seen only doing Master of Power.Master of Power is just egregiously bad. Ch2 was so contrived I turned the game off immediately after completing it.There are a couple other really dumb parts in the writing but they're more "yell at your TV because the characters are being dumb" bad and not "Immediately stop playing the game" bad
I'm playing Octopath Traveler and am disappointed by how little interaction the various characters get with each other. Is 2 better about this?
still gives me chuckles
>>3903222Reddit tier humor
>>3903189They're very talkative in battle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5mi_GuXPzcBanters are still locked to post-chapter 2 (post-chapter 3 for Osvald; you'll see why) but they're all saved in the journal so you can watch/read them whenever after your clear parts of the chapters.Crossed Paths (2 mini chapters for a pair of characters) that foreshadow the actual final final chapter.And then the final final chapter... which isn't really really that long but at least there's a sense of cohesion and closure to the story leading to the credits and the, effectively, victory lap epilogue.
>>3899319>all the villains were retarded caricaturesI love that the most.I'm tired of games having the antagonists being le morally grey deep with valid reasons for their actions.I was almost dreading Bargello and co to go on a poor Herminia segment after the old man explains her background but luckily Herminia does something evil on the dungeon so she is still hated.
>>3903245operative word being retarded, I'm fine with them being unambiguous monsters but they should have coherent motivations beyond "I am....le evil!!"
You breed are truly retard. Kill yourselves.
>>3903246>but they should have coherent motivations beyond "I am....le evil!!"Nope.
>>3902753That's a shame.I imagine this was done because they want a reason for people to still play the gacha?
>>3903433Ummm....yes?The "game that gacha and non-gacha players can experience and enjoy" stuff is something the director remarked over and over in all the interviews.
>>3903248>>3902807My nigga Pardis deserved better
>>3903474>lame as fuck design>lame as fuck personality>zero legitimate motivations as a character, is purely a plot device so comically evil you can't imagine doing anything besides beating himyawn. also you're filipino, osvaldfag, you can't say that
>>3903599This nigga is shown to be manipulative enough to hug his son-in-law in public but also casually considering to kill his own daughter in the royal court and also resorted to immediately kill the son-in-law instead of trying to first manipulate him to do his bidding, which he has already been doing by ordering him to keep fighting in so many wars. The writing is just plain awful I'd much rather they made him 100% comically evil instead of this inconsistent shit.
>>3903599>osvaldfagHoly schizo. Also Pardis is pure kino bro literally told his daughter to kill herself
Rinyuu's en voice is so fucking grating holy fuck someone please push her off the cliff once again
>If a front row character dies and it's the turn of the back row unit, the back row unit drags the lifeless body of the front row unit when it takes its place.Holy fucking soul! They could have easily just not do that and just swap them.Also watched the Francesca fight in the gacha. It's cool that in 0 they gave Francesca an attack animation. There Is a lot of care in the game.Also finished the Master of Fame Arc and I liked the twist a lot.
>>3903727>holy fuck someone please push her off the cliff once againAnon, have I got a surprise for you.>>3903731They gave attack animations for most distinct chapter bosses.
>>3903731they remove the weapon sprites tho
>>3903741>They gave attack animations for most distinct chapter bosses.Pretty sure Al the Servant did not.>>3903768From the old games or the gacha? I did notice the 1 cast for example have an stance with a weapon but didn't see that in the gacha.
>>3903911All prominent cotc char bosses have animations.
>>3903911>From the old games or the gacha?from 1, I guess it does make sense given how big the roster is
>>3903252Exdeath isn't human to begin with. Human morality never applied to trees.
Octopath 3 should stick to being a Suikoden-like.
>>3904166I'd drop the series by that point.
Old Storyteller is the unsung hero of this game
>>3904166I suppose that would depend on the focus>OT -> 8 travelers>CotC/OT0 -> 8 antagonists>OT2 -> 8 travelers and 8 antagonists>OT3 -> ????
Why the fuck is this cunt tatloch recruitable when she's just as bad as Pardis
>>3904251because she wants you to do big fat cums in her brown fertile pussy and have a dozen of your ubermensch ringbearer children, obviously
>>3904251Because there's this idea in the background of gacha gaming that Kancolle faded because it didn't make the good looking enemy faction girls playable.
>>3904251Read the jp interviews
>>3904509>enemy faction girls playable.I love this trope.Like in Tactics Ogre and recruiting that red head with the brother.Or Aversa in Awakening.Or Listell in Langrisser 4.
I want to impregnate Ochette and create half Beastling babies bros
>>3904513Which is a bullshit excuse. It’s a gacha, they wanted to milk the fanservice character. She so fanservice that she wears more clothes in her bikini outfit than she does in her regular outfit.
So I've seen wildly varied tier lists from people on this game. It's truly a fun time to be early on in a game's life cycle and get to see the mistakes and the genius picks but also the idiocy and the overlooked gems rise as people 'figure out' the game.Also it is a very hard game to tier for I'd say because so many characters are SO late that it's almost like if they're not there for 80% of the game, how do you even adjust for that on a tier list? Most RPGs tend to try to intro all their characters at least fairly early but not these ones with massive rosters.
>>3903665He feared Mahrez was looking to usurp him out of paranoia. Paranoid rulers are very common in royalty
>>3904576>I'd say because so many characters are SO late that it's almost like if they're not there for 80% of the gameTrue.I went through most of the game with mostly the same party that I formed very early on. Reconfiguring and reinvesting wasn't worth the effort when what I had worked fine.Only switch I made before the very near the end of the game was swapping in Olberic because he's how you get Surpassing Power, so you have to.As far as tier list, the only thing I'll say for sure is that Pius is top tier.His ult is indispensable. It's simply too much of a party damage increase in a single action.Viator is also an early character with an incredibly broken Ult, but long term he gets replaced since if your team is just built for damage then you don't have to deal with all the set up (needs parry stacks, needs more then lvl 1 Ult or else it doesn't last long enough, needs Provoke or Cover so the enemy actually hits him instead of just killing everyone else)He lets you beat fights you really have no business beating at low level though.
>>3904576The base kit and especially the uninheritable skills become more important than ever since it's what gives each unit their uniqueness. Most early joiners outside of Saoirse and Pius still fall off hard later though, but the fun of the game comes from meme builds and making the best use of each unit's uniqueness imo.>>3904607They were clearly rushing to kill him off and it just made both Pardis and Mahrez less interesting as characters imo.They didn't make me care much for Mahrez. I wished he actually saw through Masushi's ploy and fought with you to protect Pardis as a helper so you can grow to care for him bc he's a capable and helpful character, and also showing that he's smart. Before that someone (working for Pardis to see if they can manipulate Mahrez) can also remark that if Pardis dies he can become King or sth and it's better but he still stayed loyal and saved Pardis from the sneak attack only to get betrayed by him or sth. Mahrez's strong morals proved to Pardis that he cannot corrupt this righteous future ruler and therefore the king decided to just kill Mahrez instead bc he couldn't control him.
>>3904576Yea Olberic for example people love to say he's only worth it for Surpassing Power, but at the same time he's the only dps character that doesn't have to sacrifice his skill slot for it and is pretty versatile as a result (he can equip patience for example).
>>3904660It doesn't matter when Reime exists. Multi-hits become king which is why Isla falls off at the very late game.
>>3904569You can even recruit a grieving dude that had lost his wife and child during her invasion for god's sake. Showing all the pain and suffering her actions caused to the citizens of Orsterra while later turning around and acting like she's redeemable is just bullshit, but I guess this is what I should expect from a gachaslop story since they still have to sell her tits to the paying audience after all.
>>3904669Which is why you give Thousand Spears to Olberic
>Strange House???Does this do something? or did they really hide an alternate design for a normal house behind a special item from an inquire collection point from talking to an animal in the optional end game town?
>>3904746You can put the doohickey from the final thingamajig into it at the end of the game
>>3904569Base game barely have "fanservice" characters, so your argument is kinda pointless. But that's expected from retards who personality revolve in hating "le gachaslop xD" but need to express their opinion fron a game they don't even play. Twiter behavior.
A reminder all of your opinions are trash and you should kill yourselves.
>>3904658>I wished he actually saw through Masushi's ploy and fought with you to protect Pardis as a helper so you can grow to care for him bc he's a capable and helpful character, and also showing that he's smart.i have this same issue with the story. they were too eager to kill both him and elrica off for the shock factor, completely ignoring any potential/existing character arcs either of these characters could bring to the game. like why the fuck did they have to sub in alaune to fill that role? her speeches feel wholly unearned, in comparison to if it came from the ruler that ACTUALLY fought to change things
>>3904658Can agree about Mahrez's killing being too early. Had they showed Pardis wanted to kill his daughters because he wanted an male heir first, then his death would serve to prove the heir thing was bullshit, as Mahrez was like a son to Pardis and look how he was treated. Would earn more sunovabiches points because that would reinforce the point of he don't giving a shit about anyone but himself. In that sense, Ulrica's flashback came too late.
>>3904771>>3904776It just felt like Elrica and Mahrez existed to show you how fucked up the villain is which is similar to saying water is wet, especially when the town of Cragspear is already fucked up as hell. From the moment you entered the town, no NPC had any favourable remark for Elrica and Mahrez either, so even the scene where the beggar girl tried to give Elrica flowers on her wedding just felt like a cheap way to instantly establish Elrica as a kind person instead of actually characterizing her through the worldbuilding itself. A lot of writing decisions in 0 felt very amateurish compared to 1 and 2 which makes it feel even worse for me because the stories felt even more like generic JRPG stories compared to the first 2 games. Seems like they're always trying to one-up the previous arc's villain by creating more villainous scenarios bordering on tragedy porn, and the writers only care about inserting "shocking" twists instead of ensuring a cohesive narrative that actually makes sense. The whole Auguste/Schwartz thing was basically the embodiment of this. Yeah it's a shocking twist but how does it change what happened in the prologue, chapter 1, and chapter 2 of MoF? Does it even make logical sense? I heavily disagree with anyone saying 0 has better writing/structure than 1 and 2. Octopath never had outstanding writing, the writers have always excelled more at theming and overall vision instead of the intricacies in execution. Primrose's story is like the quintessential Octopath storytelling style imo, which I personally enjoy even with all its flaws. However, these games have always had engaging protagonists, not villains, and 0 being focused on the villains is to its detriment imo. Herminia and Auguste (until the twist) were the only good villains in this game imo.
>>3904780>Seems like they're always trying to one-up the previous arc's villain by creating more villainous scenarios bordering on tragedy porn, and the writers only care about inserting "shocking" twists instead of ensuring a cohesive narrative that actually makes sense.probably because that's the case, lol. i have zero clue why people aren't shitting on this game more, and some are even PRAISING this story for it's emotional depth. just scrolling through the comments on any discussion of the game's story makes it make total sense that there's a large plurality of people that rely on AI in their day-to-day
>>3904783I don't know how much of this is just people missing Octopath, but 2 was released just 2 years ago so I mean, I'm not missing it much yet lol.It also baffles me how much praise I see for this game's story. Perhaps JRPG fans just prefer generic JRPG stories then, which is a shame because the whole charm of Octopath for me is having 8 interesting protagonists with unique stories that make you care, and 1 also had the added element of having an interesting and mysterious world (I didn't feel this in 2 personally). The world and characters in 0 are of little interest and made little sense to me, despite being much more "diverse".
>>3904798>The world and characters in 0 are of little interest and made little sense to me, despite being much more "diverse".The focus is on the villains because HTAPOTCO and they didn't do a good job at those.
>>3904620>As far as tier list, the only thing I'll say for sure is that Pius is top tier.>His ult is indispensable. It's simply too much of a party damage increase in a single action.Delitia has the same ultimate effect as Pius, so that kind of devalues him if you already use Delitia.And as far as I can tell, Delitia is a good character. Pius has low innate SP for a caster. And basically I don't see how you could run a party with more than 1 cleric so it's basically a choice between Pius, Laurana and Ophilia. I've seen a lot of people saying Laurana is total trash and a lot saying she is S tier. Really puzzling. To me her standard skills look really lackluster compared to Pius since too many are physical for a cleric. But that whole row regen and revive Ultimate are tempting for potentially surviving superbosses (though I have not gotten to them yet).
>>3904975You can farm nuts in endgame which makes Pius low mp not really matter, you can also just give him mp-boosting equipment. Clerics are honestly not that useful since with Pius ult you can just kill bosses in 1 to 3 turns. Delitia's ult is great if you only use phys-based team, but I think most endgame party would include both phys and mag dps anyway and with Pius you can just boost all of them.
>>3905019>You can farm nutsBased bofa farmer.
>This conversation
>>3904975The clerics are all equivalent in my opinion, it really comes down to what you prioritize. Pius has his debuff and innate party heal, Laurana can give linewide autolife and Ophilia has innate full party revive and can give you phys dodge with ultimate. The real question is why anyone would use an apothecary besides Alfyn.
>>3904783I’ve seen people praise the game and they’re still in MoA or nowhere near done with the game. It could be that they are still in the honeymoon phase and the game’s flaws haven’t set in yet for them, or they must have low standards and are just stupid. I’ve just gotten the true ending of this game and I can say it doesn’t make sense at all, this was the least enjoyable octopath game for me and I’m hoping octopath 3 returns to the formula of 2 and improves on it a bit
>>3904975Pius gives universal tier-2 buffs and debuffs and bosses in this game don't have enough bulk to survive any team that's even remotely built up proper so he's the most efficient unit that also comes super early, you can literally get him as part of your first 7 allies as long as you have already recruited Celsus. Richard comes late and needs a Wishvale shop exclusive passive to reach tier-2 on his buffs (though it is a common item and not rare), while Ultimate Support, Stalwart Stance, and Invigorate and Inspire are all earlygame free masteries you get from playing the game normally. If the game wasn't so piss easy Richard is definitely better than Pius as he's more suitable for longer fights where you want to maintain buffs, debuffs, and keep recharging ults. I don't even think a magic DPS is necessary when you can just ult Reime and use Thousand Spears Olberic they deal way more damage without convoluted setups compared to Xerc and Cyrus. Alexia and Isla require less setup at the cost of no multi-hit and honestly that just makes them better Scholars for me.There are a lot of poor balancing decisions made in this game that makes a lot of characters with cool gimmicks pretty worthless in the end. Pius and Saoirse are amongst those balancing mistakes imo.
What am I supposed to do in-between chapters of Octopath 1? I beat the first chapters for each character easily but I'm trying to do Cyrus' chapter 2 and getting my ass kicked by by regular random encounters.
>>3904780>TFW Auguste was only a good character after the twist and only a good villain before the twist.Why was he the only one seemingly being manipulated by the ring demon, where he talks almost like he has a split personality at the end where he was going to let you go but the demon has other plans, whereas Herm and Tytos give no break in their evil character to the end?Also I've gotta wonder, do people who dislike the 3 Masters not get hype for good ol FFT-style villains were demon possessed plotlines? Or do they just think FFT did it much better?
>>3905047>The real question is why anyone would use an apothecaryFixed that IMO. I guess to cure status effects but bosses tend to slather the status effects on like butter by the rowload so I don't see the merit in wasting turns removing them rather than just swapping rows and waiting for them to wear off
>>3905153Because Alfyn can fill your entire party's BP ever other turn.
>>3905144This is gonna be a surprise to you but Those people aren't demon possessedThe rings contain the spirits of the actual patron deities. The wearer of the ring being evil is corrupting the ring and turning it red, not the other way around.In hindsight this should probably be obvious to you because your character also has a ring and isn't possessed by any "ring demon"as far as future info that corroborates this [actual spoilers ahead of where you are] Pardis III's plan is explicitly to get the MC to fall into despair to corrupt the Flamebearer's ring so he can take it, as he can't touch it otherwise, and much later Finis straight tells you the rings contain the spirits of the gods
>>3904817The villains are shit though, doubly so in 0. In normal Octopaths at least they make some thematic sense. The villains in 0 barely even represent the paths they're supposed to stand for, so they already fail at that basic element.>>3905144I don't think the Schwartz reveal made him a good character, and as a villain before the twist he was very campy but I think not as "realistic" as Herminia, so there was a lot of suspension of disbelief I had to make to enjoy his villainy. The fact that his plays all seem to be very psychotic and sadistic makes the regular people of Osterra look like psychopaths, and they weren't even entranced by his ring either or anything.
So what are the preferences that lead to people disliking 0? People who prefer more character focused plots over more unified plotting? People who want less villain focus and more main character study?
>>3905179Focus on the protagonist's journey vs the villain's villanyInteresting and mysterious world with hidden lore More customizable skill slots and weapon access expansion via subjobs rather than swapping out the backrow characterHidden jobs Smaller party means having 1 stinker (Osvald) out of 8 total characters feels less bad than 30 stinkers out of 35 total playable charactersConcoct, Hired Help, and Monster Capture/Summon
>>3905178Herminia/wealth should've been merchant. Tytus/power works as warrior. Auguste/fame can work loosely as thief due to all the underhanded "theft" of lives to fuel inspiration. Thieves have hp and sp theft skills as well so it isn't all about money thematically.
>>3905187No idea why Herminia was Huntress other than them wanting to give you 2 mediocre ults earlygame after giving you 2 good ults. Auguste could've been Scholar. Hell male Scholar MC literally looks like Auguste's protege.
>>3905185I doubt many would say 30 of 35 characters suck. Many of them may not be broken but they certainly can get you through the game without crazy grinding being needed due to being underpowered.
>>3905191The vast majority of characters kinda exist just to be powercrept by those that come later so
I'd play an octopath spinoff game with partitio as the mc
>>3905203this except (You) are the MC and partitio sucks your cock the entire game
I'd play an octopath spinoff game that lets me bang Ochette
So I got one of the Octo 1 characters.Are the Octo 2 here like the edgy dancer?
Ok, some hindsight on the Hell arc.Obviously the goal of reviving Orsa like Finis had thought about doing was achievedBut, if Little Finger hadn't died and become a ring replacement, what was the actual plan to make that happen?Kill you and take your ring? that shouldn't work because Sazantos already tried to grab the Flamebearer ring when you handed it in to be sealed and it rejected him, so why would it be any different a 2nd time?If Little Finger's sacrifice was always the plan, then what was the point of raising an army of the dead or waiting until you got there and confronted them to pull the trigger on their "winning" move?
>>3905245Why would they be? They’re in another world.
>>3905249Because I want a lap dance from her.Also gacha.
Honestly as bad as Velnorte and Rinyuu and the entire MoP storyline were at least they're not as boring as Agnea's first three chapters, now those were painful to get through
>>3905271You say that now, but you aren't done with dumb Rinyuu scenes yet.
>>3905271Agnea's story wasn't pants-on-head retarded and actively taking away time and development from anyone else though while also forcing you into perceiving her as a good person when she's morally questionable. She's just a well-adjusted young girl who wants to follow her dreams and doesn't have an edgy tragic backstory. She's also a strong unit unlike Velnorte who's one of the most useless combat helpers you get in the game.I'd take Agnea's story over the entirety of 0's story outside of Herminia's campy stuff to be perfectly honest.
>>3905287Oh yea I actually really like Agnea as a character and also her latter two chapters, I even think of everyone's final chapters hers is one of the best. I was just comparing her first three chapters to MoP because it wasn't as boring to me, not that I like that story arc either kek>>3905281I've been spoiled about her fate tho not the specific details, but at least I know I have something to look forward to kek
>>3905298I liked all her chapters though they're pure fun and felt more cohesive than most of Tressa's chapters. For once a festival took place and nothing bad happened lulz.
>>3905260There is no edgy dancer in 2 if you're talking about Agnea. Agnea is basically Tressa 2.0.
She's right behind me, isn't she.
>>3905246The zombie stuff was just a prank
>>3905246I also don’t understand why she didn’t just do that from the start if that was always possible? The whole thing leading up to that point just felt like filler, you could cut the first 3 chapters of BoA out of the game and the majority of chapter 6 and nothing would change
>>3905341>>3905246Reminder that it was a gacha.And gacha chapters tend forget/ignore what happens before to arbitrarily prolong the story... considering story updates could take weeks/months per release.
>>3905315bargello getting his soul sucked out through his dick (not literally this time) by a single milf in his area!
Which game has the best cast and why is it 2
>>3905557Still wish there were some ways to actually save both of ochette's pets
>>3905567Blame the writers for trying to be edgy.
>>3905569>it's edgy because I can't get a perfectly happy ending where nothing bad happens and that makes my feefees hurt!
>>3904658It seems like the characters everyone says are good are 'difficult to use' characters with obscure reasons for their quality (Saoirse and Pius) rather than massive damage hogs. It's almost like the devs knew to avoid characters who could output huge damage but didn't know niche strategies like Invig+Full Row HP regen+Ultimate regen push when in the back row would be OP.
>>3905608Saorise isn't obscure, her ult gives any character in the party auto-hit weakness regardless of their weapon/element. It is the most useful buff. The only other weapon/element invariate buffs/attacks are on Sazantos, who has shit availability and can only cast it on himself, or attached to Mastery non-elemental attacks that break 1-2 shields max at a time. Sadly Saorise's ult doesn't get spread by Sealtige's Seduction. Pius is just inertia: you get him early, he can heal everyone and has an easy to use buff/debuff.
>>3905144He wasn't manipulated by the ring.My read on Auguste is that he's basically the Hyde to Schwartz's Dr. Jekyll, but in a way that's a mix of the book and pop-culture versions: When Schwartz snapped, he created a persona to shove the thrill he got (assuming Auguste was telling the truth in how he got his big break) onto and said persona remains largely in control. He can let Schwartz "leak through" for one reason or another and his break before the fight implies that the Schwartz persona wasn't entirely an act. By contrast, Herminia just became obsessed with wealth as a result of all she had been through and Tytos wanted to dethrone the church in the sense of being a major authority.
>>3905557Ochette has the perfect dick sucking height
>>3905646I found myself rarely using that ult when every character had something that would hit a weakness most of the time. Then once the boss is broken its irrelevant
>>3905692I only used her ultimate skill a few times i my playthrough but I mainly used her as an ultimate gauge battery. Most of the time she was in the back with her passive that regenerates the ultimate gauge of the front by a bit. I also gave her the passive that filled the character’s ultimate when she buffed a stat and put front row p. Def/e. Def up buff skills on her
>>3905721Yeah that Ult charging ability seems to be her main draw due to how powerful Ults are
Why did they remove hired help and concoct?
>>3905744Because they hate fun and needed to pad out the roster with 35 characters so they had to spread and nerf all the cool stuff across multiple shitters. They also remove Aelfric Auspices / Blessing and replaced them with 20-25% passive. And they also fucked over Alephant so it's utterly fucking useless as a support skill now.
>>3905779Cope
>>39057820 isn't a horrible game, but it does feel like a budget Octopath spinoff, which is reflected in the (still too high for what it is) price tag.
>>3905779Took me a while to realize those are H'aanit and Primrose.
Rape Faramea
I noticed an error in the credits sequence.It shows each villain's splash art, then scenes from their arc, then their fight and shows off their attack animation.Except it doesn't actually show Ceraphina's fight, it shows you fighting Leblac instead.
>>3899317how good is this game if i hated the first one because i felt it was bland and generic?
How much til someone start modding stuff from Side Solistia?
How the fuck did Agnea get 2nd
>>3906182what is this
>>3906287it says in the picture what it is.
>>3899319OT2 was my fav game of the year, but I had to drop 0 a bit over halfway through. It really drags, the soundtrack isn't as good, the gameplay isn't as good, the characters are really bland.
>>3899319I played the mobile game with a few hundred hours and I just got the true ending for octopath 0 at 80 hours and no it doesn’t “get better”. The game not only drags on and on, but the writing is just weak and was so unenjoyable that I just skipped a bunch of them in the second half of the game. The gameplay didn’t feel as satisfying and fun as octopath 1 & 2, and that sense of magic and wonder wasn’t there. That was a huge factor that the mainline games had for me personally but here the game just felt like an ass pull. I’d save that $50 and wait for an octopath 3 if that formula is more your thing
People play this game for the writing? Lol.Game is worth for the sprite designs and the soundtrack. All antries are slop so far.>"but OT2"Slop, I said.
I enjoy octopath 0 so far mostly for all the non-story reasons, this game is also a proof to me to never trust anyone who says that a gacha game can actually have a good story
>>3906287A speedrun event. People were donating to see which character to do a solo speedrun and Castti won it.
>>3906305>>3906308cool, thanks
>>3905874You didn't play Primrose's scenario in the first one. This one is even more bland and generic (like "I have x thing to PROTECT!" speeches tier generic) except maybe Auguste's scenario.
>>3906515>drastic measures>poison axe>concoctConsidering the selection, she's the best at it among the girls.Ochette can't. Her final boss's gimmick is a huge issue while soloing.
>>3906893I doubt most people donating know anything about speed ruining OT2. Also lmao
>>3899348unicorn overlords biggest flaw is not coming to PC.The actual fuck were they thinking.
>>3906918>Vanillaware>PC
>>3905173I figured your ring was different since it's Aelfric and all that "you have to be pure to have this ring" stuff as opposed to the other rings. In hindsight it's kind of disappointing if it's just random humans who somehow morph into demon creatures but there's no real demons behind itGame just got more and more disappointing the further Master of All went on with all these generic Japanese SOMETHING TO PROTECT speeches. I don't understand how they can write that slop or why the translators don't adjust it to something less cringe since translators can do whatever they want in the video game localization process and don't need to be accurate. While the look of the MoA boss was alright he was a boring villain after all. Great voice though, but no writing behind him.Then for some reason they drop credits even though the game is only half over. I assume an arc of the gatcha ended there. This game is bizarre and I don't see how the reviewers aren't complaining about a lack of polish. Also reusing tons of music, even final boss music from previous games? Unacceptable.>>3905178It certainly added depth to his character that Herminia and Tytos lacked.>>3906918Vanillaware will never willingly release on PC, they are afraid of people stealing their "style" using reverse engineering (although some pc games like The Vagrant already basically did without needing any RE) and losing their 'stand out' quality that comes from being a console game rather than getting lost among the average 2D indie on Steam. They also may be insanely in fear of pirates to levels of paranoia hitherto unimagined among a dev.
>>3907240Herminia had depth she just didn't have a medical condition like Auguste. I find her thoughts and actions to be more consistent and reasonable given her backstory unlike Auguste/Schwartz. Split personality isn't very engaging if not properly explored and is often used as a cheap excuse just like irl.
>>3905557did the artist draw for the other games / characters ?>>3904243maybe the focus will be more on the regions and have a seasons mechanic ... which would be hard to implement i guess- would be nice to see leveling having a more equal effect with equipment.
>>3907356I think that's Ikushima who's basically the main official artist for Team Asano, so everything they made except BD1 (that was Yoshida) and some of BS. BD2 was her though.There are other artists for the studio - you can easily tell the differences in art styles for the end cards from OT1 and OT2 and CotC/OT0, but I think she specifically did that lineup in your post.
>>3907504The lineup wasn’t made by Ikushima. It was drawn by Tatsuaki Urushibara who also drew all the individual character ending art.
Finished Bestower of Wealth, just have Fame left before presumably Bestower of All (which is what the Finis notes are leading up to). I really came around on Oskha in the last minute. I thought him being 'le based communist guy' was a boring fucking direction to take it, but in the last minute his entire demeanor changed from mysterious edgy cool guy to throwing a literal tantrum over Bargello. Him dropping the kayfabe and revealing himself to be a petulant fucking child who's just pissed he can't get his way was genuinely endearing to a degree I hadn't expected.Definitely pushes him up over Tatloch who has nothing going for her except sex appeal (but boy does she have it). Jury's still out on the Fame chick.
>>3904166This.(You) protag with a bunch of recruitables is so kino. This was a better Suikoden than Eiyuuden Chronicles.If the gacha is still on, maybe it will be enough content for another 0 game.>>3904243Maybe it could be 8 kingdoms or factions. Though the issue would be it's would still be 8 characters to represent them.Or maybe a legacy thing like 4 characters and then 4 characters in the future.Like 4 characters solve their own country problem but it was an immediate solution so now hundred of years later the countries go to shit and it's up to these new 4 characters to fix it.
>>3905692I found a 4 hit lighting magic skill pretty early on so I had her cast her ult on Alexia then Xerc, who then could melt 8-16 shields per turn if patience/twincast procc'd.
>>3907708>Or maybe a legacy thing like 4 characters and then 4 characters in the future.I remember the marketing of OT1 and, for some reason I can't explain (likely I just wasn't paying enough attention), I thought that was what OT1 was going to be all about. You'd have 8 characters and you'd pair them up over the course their stories and play as their kids afterwards via some legacy mechanic.I think it'd work great. They could even have their cake and eat it too with the whole "8 stories converge" bit and just use a legacy to make a proper 4 character party to round out the adventure. Have their parent's ghosts join them for the finale using squads of three for a change in formula, and you're set.Granted, all of that is quite a bit of work and the original dev team still got poached by Kadokawa so who knows what's going on over there.
>>3907733>Have their parent's ghosts join them for the finale using squads of three for a change in formula, and you're set.Something like SMT IV Apocalypse Bond route did then.
>>3907757I was imagining it more in line with how OT2 did it, as illustrated. The games are, in the vast majority of circumstances, hell bent on keeping you to 4 turns per round. You can circumvent it in regular battles through abilities like Patience or Salt the Wound but even those are still chance-based, no guarantees. I definitely also see the appeal for taking the SMT4A approach, as well. Like I said, if it happens it'll likely have a new dev team so anything could reasonably go.
Deep into the game, I feel like the devs did not try to balance the characters around what fans would consider a "tier" list--where every character (early, mid and late) can be fairly compared to others and would all have positives and negatives even up until to the end of the game. Part of it is due to the mammoth breadth of the game, where you can go for tens and tens of hours without ever getting the later characters.Instead the devs seemed to take a different path. Instead of rushing to get most characters joined by early to mid game, they spaced out the characters joining you into waves, different phases of the game come with the ability to choose among a somewhat limited but 'varied enough' pool of party members but past members stick around too. The devs seemed to intend for the player to play in a way where they would often but not always move on from early characters like Celsus or Macy, unless you really liked that character, to some of the latest joined characters as the game progresses.A few details that support this is the fact they are leveled when you get them to your party's average level and that it doesn't take much in the way of JP to get them up to speed, and that in a limited way specific 'favorite' abilities from past characters who will have more JP can be passed on to them via skill transfer, seems well suited to this kind of intention in fostering this way of playing.Thus I don't think it even makes sense to compare early game characters (with a few exceptions like the main and some characters with unique abilities that ended up being more powerful than expected) to late game joiners.
>>3908313>The devs seemed to intend for the player to play in a way where they would often but not always move on from early characters like Celsus or Macy, unless you really liked that character, to some of the latest joined characters as the game progresses.>Thus I don't think it even makes sense to compare early game characters (with a few exceptions like the main and some characters with unique abilities that ended up being more powerful than expected) to late game joiners.Just like ranked Fire Emblem.And I hate that.
>>3908313I feel like the problem comes down to the classes being sanded down to their bases. I'm not saying they should have eschewed them altogether, I appreciate them workshopping it to fit some roles but god damn do they suffer.>Apothecary without Concoct and none get proper SP/BP Generation for the Party, barely any status curing either, almost worthless across the board>Merchant without Hired Help is just a healthier, weaker Warrior with a Bow (due to Therion's Snatch, not even Collect is worth much on them)>Hunter without Beasts is just a flimsier, crit-based (read:inconsistent) Warrior with a Bow/Axe>Dancer actually gets some support via Song/Dance skills but far too few and not a single character, even the Song Specialist (Saorise) or Dance Specialist (Primrose), get unique abilities to do anything with them>Clerics can still heal and each have their own unique thing (Pius' Ult, Laurana's reraise, Ophelia's overheal) which make them overall useful>Scholars are sanded down because Cyrus was too strong so only he and (You) get three elements, the other two either have no gimmick (Alexia) or a wasted gimmick (Xerc)>Every single Warrior is good at doing their own thing, even early Viator with his dodge gimmick can shit out damage late game if you set it up rightAnd with them being more than willing to give out Uniques, some of which definitely were not thought through (you can get the Cait so fucking early for how broken it is), I wish they had just leaned into them being more unique and spreading weapons out much more freely among the cast instead of being stuck with the same Sword/Spear for Warrior or Spear/Bow for Merchant. At the very least give me Passives for extra weapon slots, that seems like such an easy move.!!NOTE!!: This opinion is made without full game completion, I have only gotten up to the beginning of Bestower of All. There may be more characters I have yet to see but I don't imagine my opinion on the generic classes changing much.
>>3908489>This opinion is made without full game completion, I have only gotten up to the beginning of Bestower of All.You're going to get 6 in quick succession.First one has a A Step Ahead. It's locked to that character. And you know how good that passive is.
>>3908495>>3908489*Second oneYou also forgot to mention thieves which are all over the place in usability but are mostly ass in damage output.
>>3908498I noticed I forgot Thieves after I posted but I mentioned Therion by name so I feel like I summarized the only important part of that class.
>Apothecary: Alfyn is basically the only one with a "complete" package but has no Dohter since that's MC exclusive, Stia comes decently close but definitely a downgrade compared to regular Apothecaries in OT>Merchant is now entirely focused on JP farming, Tressa and Ludo are nearly worthless so they were each given their own short-term gimmick with Tressa having a lot of SP and high survivability, and Ludo having his exclusive Negotiate. Carinda is more like a Runelord/Merchant hybrid>Hunter is the most varied with options for breaking, damage, damage reduction, and debuffing. Phenn ended up being the worst simply for picking the worst archetypes to be in for a Hunter which is damage (takes 5 hits for him to do this) and tanking>Cleric ended up the best since each of them have their own unique value. Pius ended up with the most versatility with his very overtuned ult though>Scholars mostly ended up as the weakness finder past earlygame cheese (Alexia) or the nuke ignoring shields (Isla). Phys weps are simply better at breaking without needing to rely on 20% proc passives and Scholars take a lot more effort to deal max damage with elemental magic compared to non-elemental magic and phys nukes>Dancers ended up severely hampered since they get fucked over entirely by lategame recruits with AoE abilities like Tatloch and esp Richard. You basically get a Healer (Saoirse), a basic single-target Dancer with high damage (Primrose), and a debuffer (Goodwin)
>>3908602>Warriors basically ended up being the best of the bunch bc they just stole all the individual strong niches of other classes. Viator giving everyone Parry isn't too different from Transfer Rune Sidestep just more steps to take, and he can be a BP farmer + passer with Foresight. Olberic is the tank with Surpassing Power. Reime is genderbent Hikari damage-wise and has BP cheats, Richard is just a Dancer on steroids. Sazantos cheats weaknesses, and Elrica was basically the ultimate hybrid with a cheating ombi self-buff>Thief kinda ended up being the best of the bunch as well without losing their unique gimmick. Celsus is an Evade tank that guarantees getting hit and comes with Evil Ward. Therion is the most convenient Debuffer and Steal/Collect bot bc of his innate kit and can even Share SP. Bargello has A Step Ahead which works well with debuffs and especially things like Ensnare and Leghold Trap. Heidne kinda ended up the worst off if you lean into building her as a traditional Thief since she can't make good use of her increased stat gimmick when paired with MC. And even when you do that she's not as good as other DPS and tanks
How does an evade tank work against magic enemies?
>>3908966It dies.
>>3908966Stack both stats, amateur.
>>3909201Why not just use equips that boost both physical defense and magic defense which are common and become a normal tank rather than an evade tank? Evade tanking requires more effort.
>>3909269more effort and more fun
Alaune and Rinyuu suck so fucking much, their lines are so painful to read and hear ugh save me from this shitty writing please
>>3909536Haven't you ever wanted to go on a multiminute monolog about how you want to protect things, anon? Alaune is living the dream
>>3909651You have to give her credit, she does give one of those monologues like within an hour of taking an arrow
>>3909909>shooter is around 20 feet awayThe bow or his arm strength or both must be ass because a chunk of her torso would've been blown off with a good archer.
Still cannot believe Saz's mom had the entire cathedral running a train on her for 13 years straight
What's your view on Xerc vs Alexia at the time Xerc appears? Does his ultimate tend to do more without needing to spend a slot on surpassing power given the additional hits and the loss of the ability that buffs element atk for random status buffs? Is he worth losing the extra weakness reveal?
>>3910205Isla > Alexia > Cyrus > Xerc. Building an elemental DPS doesn't seem worth it in this game when phys damage is straight up better at both breaking and damage, and synergizes better with the vast majority of the roster.
>>3910416Magic damage and Physical damage seem to be balanced around a player never using any Nuts.Battle Tested Blade still makes one of your physical dealers better than your magic dealers, but magic stays relevant until you start boosting your P.Attack and Crit stats higher than they "should" be.
>>3910433The game seems to be balanced around no one using Surpassing Power because skills that get better over a few turns and damage reduction skills are so plentiful.
>>3910435Nah, there are too many big single hit moves that you would never even think about using if Surpassing Power didn't exist.Like, imagine dumping 400 SP into Isla's ultimate and getting... one hit for 9999 damage. You could have done that instead with a max boost lowest tier spell.
>>3910437Ults are still useful as a burst damage move that costs no SP and no BP though. It's basically like those ultimates in other games that you can access by getting hit.
Xerc's ult not being affected by Price of Power while Cyrus and Alexia's do is just fucking bullshit. I'm still gonna use him because he's my fav scholar but damn I guess I'll just have to make do with Elemental Expertise and nutting him
>>3910416Why would Alexia be higher than Cyrus when her ultimate isn't multihit and she's only 2 elements?
>>3910591Because I can't be bother edto use any Scholar outside of Isla by the lategame, so Alexia at least was used for a while in the early and midgame. By the end I don't even use any spellcasters at all.
Apparently Reime is the protag and Celsus swapped classes to scholar
dang bargello is kinda shit :/
>>3911475Not with his ability to always act first
>>3911508doesn't richard want to act first though? eerie smiles and inhibit offense can be played at any point as long as they're before isla/reime. unless we're suggesting any of his 7 dagger damage skills are better lol
>>3911512That's why you put Richard behind Bargello and give them both Patience
>>3911524and then you're relying on rng to use bolster twice when you could just apply it to both rows at once?
Been playing Master of All and its pretty cool.Tytos didn't really feel like he mastered power.But Pardis III? Fame and Wealth were represented well and doesn't feel like they come up much with him but Power does.When he fought El and gave himself 99 shield was pretty badass.People said it was bad but I like it a lot.Only grievance is well Pardis could solo everyone so its kinda dumb when people tell him to escape or he sends an army when he could solo everyone.
So you’re telling me all the tragedies in this game happened because a god dude missed his wife too much and made it everyone else’s business? And now we're all the warriors of light tasked with protecting the world because of his fuck-up? Sazantos did the right thing in killing this dude
>>3911527nah patience is just a bonus, point is you can use bargello front row to cast anything you want first turn
>>3911553We hear you, Signa
>>3911557I thought the real strength of it was creating a turn 0, which can exploit some existing abilities that don't account for such a thing. If someone just wants to act first high speed is all that takes
>>3911542Pardis III is just so one note in his dialogue most of the time although he every once and awhile has some shocking action or demand. Also a good bit of the downside of that arc is the heroes' very rote speeches.
>Rinyuu went to hell alone>No one careswtf based?
>>3911779I dunno.The aim is to show how ruthless he is.But as I mentioned, power seems what he mostly represents.They should have shown say how he uses his wealth to say give his soldiers up to date weapons.Or with fame, foreshadowing dialogue in the previous Masters chapters like townspeople talking about that Edoras king.But I do like he actually is imposing. Tytos failed in that regard other than beating your dad or imply you only beat him because the elixir nerfed him.Anyways I like Charles, El and Solon. So its okay for Pardis to focus on being imposing.
>>3912035I wish the game let Solon did anything "smart" at all during the MoA story bc he was the worst character in this story arc next to the barely "developed" Mahrez. Elrica ended up the best off and Alaune had a good arc but her dialogue is so poorly written ffs, Charles was all right.
tatloch is a cadaver dog now for some reason, great storytelling game
>>3912122Still think she should've died like the rest of the antagonist. Or at least pull a Sazantos on her and let the player decide her fate. Sucks that Alaune is the one who take that choice in that scene.
>>3912129I think at some point in development, your choice to execute her or not actually mattered.My evidence is that she doesn't appear in the epilogue where Alaune and Richard's kid is born. Meanwhile, the goofy-ass Hunter from Master of Power is there and he was a bit character that wasn't a party member and I don't think ever even interacted with Alaune.
>>3912142Dmitri was based but he pretty much only interacted with Velnorte, Rinyuu, and (You). I don't get what they were trying to go for with him in those en scenes.
>>3912122>>3912129She was some devs favorite I assume.
>>3912185>sawashiroI mean, come on
>>3912160He also randomly appeared to visit Rinyuu in the church during one of the Bestower of Fame chapters, but they actually didn't interact at all and you won't even notice that he's there, and then he just went back to his mountain hut with no fanfare. I like the dude but I'm just confused about his appearances kek
>>3912220I saw him in the upper floor so that was appreciated since I forgot to path action him in Master of Power.
>>3911542>>3912035According to an interview, Master of All was originally drafted as Master of Power with Wealth and Fame also being 8 chapters, but the size and it being a phone game led to the system getting reworked into 3 each.Granted, they still say that Pardis came to embody all three, but you can still see the original intention of that plan.
>>3912220I would've had so much more respect for Rinyuu if she did leave Velnorte for good and moved on with Dmitry or sth. Why did they have to make her such a miserable character to watch it made it impossible to feel anything for her bc she's so fucking stupid and frustrating.
>>3912349Would make sense.I get it because he is a king so he has all 3 but so far he stands out more as this all powerful tyrant.I get people issue with him coming as one dimensional but its okay. I like villains who command overwhelming force.
Am I correct that there was no real hint to (Bestower of All prologue spoilers): Sazantos being an accursed flame adherent? I assume it actually only happened when Phina hit him with the black flame in Bestower of Fame as he was near death, he got corrupted then and that will be revealed later...but still, quite awkward they didn't drop any hints after that point. Or why the one of the Fingers is suddenly evil as well. But maybe I just didn't pick up on any of the hints or it was in town or side dialogue.
>>3911475Why would you think Bargello is bad when he gives all your characters an extra free BP at the start of the battle in addition to acting first? I mean on paper A Step Ahead looks like a bad ability if it just meant it emulated as if he had 999 speed on turn 1, but they did not word it properly to indicate what it really does, which tends to happen a lot in RPGs.
>>3912129Same her not being an optional character is actually my biggest gripe with the game kek. It got even worse with Rinyuu insisting that no she's actually good deep inside despite being a bloodthirsty warmonger, and acting like a self-righteous martyr over the whole thing. Alaune is at least an actual leader of her country and has to consider the long-term consequences of killing the queen of another nation. Tho I really don’t like the game’s attempt to draw a parallel between her executing Tatloch and Pardis executing Elrica, as they are two very different scenarios.
>>3912464The scenario being passingly similar was probably just referenced by the game to shake Alaune up and show the emotional reason why she didn't want to execute Tatloch. To communicate to the player she is sparing Tatloch because she doesn't want to be like Pardis
>>3912472A royal from Osterra should've been forced to marry Tatloch to keep peace, like Alaune and Richard's union.
>>3912472>To communicate to the player she is sparing Tatloch because she doesn't want to be like Pardisyea this is why I don't like it because Pardis killing Elrica was obviously unjust, but Alaune was in a position to eliminate an actual threat to humanity. The game wants Tatloch to be playable so they're forcing the connection to ellicit the player's sympathy and I just don't buy that kek
I never knew Isla and Throne share the same VA. Sovl.
Sazantos copying Sephiroth's backstory is kinda funny kek love his vengeance mini arc
>>3912503i could tell, tbqh. bernadetta 3h has one of the most identifiable voices out there
So MC is Sazantos's brother and they were both born out of rape with Tytos possibly being their real dad? That's a pretty crazy plot twist kek
>>3912598Sazantos was supposed to be Pharamea's only confirmed Flame-controlling child in CotC, and also the last/fourth one not the first one (with the others implied to have been killed). I hated OT0's AU shit.
>>3899319I dont get it either. This is a major step down from 2.
>>3912626Just saw people mention that apparently Signa was the other missing child? not sure how to feel about that since she barely had any story aside from simping for Sazantos (incestous or nah?)
>>3912680>apparentlyIt's outright confirmed by Pharamea('s soul) herself.CotC Signa was just simping and/or implied one-sided romance if you squint hard with no actual blatant text.OT0 Signa's writing was virtually unchanged other than the retcon that she's also Pharamea's kid and (You)r and Sazantos's sister. So I guess you go along with her being incestuous in OT0.
>>3912685you could* go along
>>3902929Dogshit, abysmal dogshit
Bargello, Bestower of BBC
Well that was fun. Took me one and a half month to beat but I'm quite satisfied with both endings. The journey to the end was kind of a mixed bag with some very tedious moments and the gacha format of storytelling really rears its ugly head at times. but ultimately there's just something about Octopath games that I really love. The town building is nice, I love collecting all the characters tho some of them definitely came too late. Sazantos makes for a great villain that imo elevates the final arc into something I really enjoy. 7.5/10 I'm kinda itching for more turn-based jrpg, which one should I play next anons Fantasian Neo Dimension or Romancing Saga Minstrel Song?
Im about to beat MoA.I heard there would be a timeskip of sorts.Any Miss able content due to the TS?
>>3913151Only missable things in the game I can think of are:1 The treasures in most of the Cragspear castle, which you're probably about to complete so make sure you've 100% the castle before fighting Pardis III2 The treasures on the open sea during [plot spoiler for Bestower of Power]the naval battle with GrohaI think that's it, but there might be something else I'm forgetting. Like maybe the purchase/steal inventory of an NPC that dies or something? Don't remember for sure that ever happening though.
>>3913174>Like maybe the purchase/steal inventory of an NPC that dies or something? Don't remember for sure that ever happening though.That does happen since some NPCs that appear i Master arcs outright die in some Bestower arcs.
So besides Tatloch and Primrose, who do I shovel nuts into?What MCs did you all run as well? I was bouncing between Scholar and Merchant most the game, but have recently started using Apothecary, since I have no axe coverage in my team whatsoever. Should I make any swaps to bring in Reime/Sazantos? I'm prepping to fight Warmaster & Galdera.
>>3913174>>3913231I see.Guess I will do everything Edoras before doing MoA and keep an eye on the Bestower arcs story for any possible dead npcs.
>>3913284Maybe unpopular opinion but the mc is kinda underwhelming in this game if not for Dother's Charity. I ended up making him a thief just for longer debuffs and by the endgame I used him exclusively to spam rejuvenating/revitalizing jam for quick boss kill.>Should I make any swaps to bring in Reime/Sazantos?If you want an easier time sure but honestly the final boss + superboss are kinda a joke as long as you apply Pius ult and keep your health up. Looking at your team just spam Viator and Cyrus's ult and I think you'll be fine.
>>3913284If you were going for optimal, Viator would've been out for Reime long ago but I know some people like his counter play style.Ironically though your first position and 3rd positions -- both front and back row -- are the same as mineI went Merchant early with my main, then dabbled in Scholar for a while, then warrior for a bit when I needed another sword/lance user and now to Apothecary with learned skills like Heal More from cleric to avoid having to use a cleric (main's base cleric skills seem lackluster to me compared to the 'real' clerics you get). I may end up having to go back to having a dedicated cleric though. But I really can't decide between Pius, Ophelia and Alaune, each have pluses and minuses. I may end up going Pius just because of how everyone says his ult is broken. I mostly use Delitia's ult but I can see how Pius' is better. I got a bad first impression from Pius when I first tried him out though. It's probably just due to his stats when he joins.As for the MC, I don't think the MC holds out long term into the late game that well. He is very good early-mid game but seems to fall off to me as he is stuck with more standard base skills when you start getting power houses like H'aanit and Reime with great base skills. He can always get some learned stuff but those slots are more limited of course. I guess he has a choice of ults still though which no one else gets but I've only ever used 4 of them.
>>3913284>>3913506I kept my MC as a merchant to be an SP battery with Mystic Shot and spamming Sealticgue on Reime/nuke or Dohter's Jamming whenever possible in boss battles.
>>3913506>If you were going for optimal, Viator would've been out for Reime long agoI actually couldn't beat her until pretty recently, my previous team just wasn't up to snuff, so I just fucked off and did the final dungeon and got the "worse" ending.Now I'm cleaning things up after having beat him. Reime, all the battle tested weapons, all the coliseum hunts, and the Warmaster weapons as well.I did end up replacing Viator since that post, and Reime is definitely fuckin broken.Definitely agree on the MC losing a bit of his luster, but he seems to be at least doing okay as Apothecary, since I like any axe user. With Vigorous Strike from Alfyn, he has hit a few 99,999s, has built in Vivify, and I popped Arcane Healing on him. Not my best, but not my worst.
Bros...should I replace the cat and Reime with (what I hope are) the last two story characters?I've fit every other one into the party to my active detriment (excepting Bargello, Richard, and debatably the Enchantress because Enchant is just that good). After debating for hours whether I wanted to, I even replaced Olberic with Sazantos but worse (arguably fucking El but worse jesus christ why is he so unbelievably shit). At this point I'm committed to using the story team for at least the rest of Bestower of All, right?
>>3913566I wouldn't replace your mage and Reime if you want a better party, as the last two are imo clearly inferior, but if you are committed to storyparty they supposedly aren't total crap
>>3913616Rondo is not bad, he has innate Augmented Break. He can do decent damage, but honestly if you're thinking about bringing Sazantos, I would really never use Rondo over him.Sazantos can do He can equip staves which Sazantos can't, and there is a Staff that boosts Dark/Light dmg, so I suppose you could squeeze some magic dmg from him there.Sazantos is fantastic. He can force weakness hits, and is great at breaking, BP recovery on break, and then can shitout damage on broken foes with Phantom Strike. Do his sidequest to purify his sword, and he can be pretty sick. Sazantos is worth it. I wouldn't say drop Reime though.
>>3913632Rondo is better for meme builds, Sazantos is very straightforward as a unit, he just does a bit of everything.
>>3913632>SazantosAs expected of a being born only to fight. Beware the madness of an INTJ in a fantasy world.
>>3899369>hirohito's cathe'd be friends with Niggerman, Lovecraft's cat
Should I finish the game? I'm at the last dungeon with 100 hour playtime but I got burned out and started playing Wizardry 8
>>3914577I was underwhelmed with the "golden ending" and the "All to Nil" song for that boss was mediocre compared to Vide's themes (and OT2 Galdera's).
>>3914592Orsa's remix was the highlight of the ost. Galdera's theme in Side Solistia is still top for me.
>>3903189It's meant to be a spiritual successor to LiveALive, that is why it is disconnected.
>>3914577You made it that far, you might as well see it through. The normal final boss actually almost defeated me at one point, it was only the second time I felt challenge in the game. Then Imagine my shock when I expected going into the True ending final boss and... Galdera was rather easy. Isn't he supposed to be the hardest most intimidating thing out there? Full Row abilities and Revive-All abilities became absolutely busted in that battle to the point where it seemed like it was impossible to lose as long as you were trying. Oh well, it was an amusing change of pace given how different the battle was compared to the other battles in the game.The game was interesting, it felt heartfelt yet clumsy in so many points like the writing in places. The true ending was done well at least.
If I want to get Octopath 0 on switch, but don't want the keycard version could I just get the switch 1 version, and get the 2 upgrade? or is this a steam deck game
>>3915731There is no S1 > S2 upgrade for OT0.
>>3915203>spoilerIt's probably THAT easy because the devs didn't remotely balance AOE buffs and ultimates for battles of that scale (and there's only one like that anyway), it requires a bit more effort than the normal CotC ending to get, and it's a fanservice ending exclusively for OT0.
>>3915731Unless you hear anything about performance issues for the S1 version (no joke there is stuttering on loading some screens on the PS5 version so its possible), I would go with the S1 version. Game keycard is too risky as far as long term ownership.
Octopath Traveler 0 is the first RPG to have a Buddhist as the final bosshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meyWnk7QOfw
>>3914616You mean Saildera's theme.
>There are people who right now do not use Therion's Snatch passive or slap it on HeidneThese people deserve to not have Almighty Olives
>>3916198I just use Therion for that.
So I finished Master of All.It was pretty good.I liked that it was 7 chapters long. It developed well and for me at least felt well paced.I wasn't really expecting for Elrica to die . I thought we would get some epic heist to save them. Was a good idea to dedicate 3 chapters to get to know them.Pardis did feel like imposing antagonist and felt satisfying to bring him down.Though I feel it had my least favorite bosses. Just a bunch of goons.While I like Charles, I feel like if he had been more involved we could have avoided losing Elrica and avoid the assassination attempt on Alaune. The latter being seemingly killed before the chapter end kinda annoyed me because it felt like way too trigger happy to kill people, particularly because she was getting lots of screentime soon after Elrica died .Gladly they started the following chapter showing she was fine.The final fight was pretty cool. Though I preferred his second form as a monstruous Sage and would have liked something like a decaying monstruos tree like Exdeath.Looking forward to the bestower arcs. I did the 3 prologues and the Power one is the most hype. Like they get this badass shot and a look at the new antagonist plus they killed that shitty king that betrayed Alaune . Wealth and Fame arent that strong at first glance.Anyways yeah I liked this arc.
>>3916400Forgot pic
On the other hand I finished the first arc of Wishvale which was kinda cool. Though I dont get why is called after the protag when it doesn't involve him at all. Its still about Laurana.These characters are better people than me, I wouldn't be able to Forgive her for leading Herminia to Wishvale .Still whatever that makes /ourwife/ Stia happy.
Talking of her, does anyone else keep Stia in the party at all times?Not only because she keeps you status effect free in the back row but because she should have an spot secured as the childhood friend?Also I think some people complained about the price?I think the price is more than reasonable. I'm 80 hours in and I'm barely scratching 60% or so of the game.Shit is big and I have not felt like it has dragged on. Been a ehile since an RPG hooked me so much.
>>3916406Stia falls off early on, midgame at best. HP values and gimmicks catch up and some of the heavier hitters (not all of course) you can grab in the Bestower arcs do better jobs.>Shit is big and I have not felt like it has dragged on.I ate my words after the 3 Bestower arcs were done...>>3916400Personally, I hated Bestower of Power among the other Bestower chapters.
>>3913566Rondo is trash in this game.
>>3916400Bestower of Power is actually the worst unless you're looking just for production values
>>3916406I used Stia til somewhere in Master of All, but her kit's problems are visible even early. Not enough offense or healing and her buffs are wild cards and so unreliable. The interesting combo of covering both Knife+Axe is one of the reasons I kept her so long. Apparently, her ult seems better than it is due to nuances to the battle system although that is just what some have said, it seemed fine to me, although not as good as Alfyn's for BP gen. Later characters just seem to overshadow her unfortunately.
>>3916406I used Stia all game long.The only built in effect of hers I really used was Donate BP. Other than that, I could have given her flex slot set up of: AoE Heal, offensive debuff, Wild Knives to any other knife user I supposeShe was the only knife user on the team. If I was being "optimal" I probably should have subbed her for Bargello or Saorise, but you can get so much damage potential out of the heavy hitter characters that you can mostly do wherever you want with the rest of your party slots as long as you have type coverage for breaks.
Why was Bestower of Fame named that when neither Ceraphina, nor Lyblac, gave a ring to Auguste as far as I could tell? Bestower of Wealth makes it clear Tiziano gave Herminia her ring in the past, and Bestower of Power at least has Tatloch implicated in giving a ring to Pardis III, who was originally supposed to be Master of Power before they changed it to Tytos. So those make sense.But Bestower of Fame is kind of its own separate thing made just to setup the plot in Bestower of All.
>>3916814>spoilerThey retconned stuff since she essentially gave the ring to Tytos to destabilize the church before taking control with the Black Scarlet cult. Fits well with his well-regarded fame around... wherever he's mentioned... outside of Emberglow.If anything, Auguste is the outlier.Pardis was probably too intensive and was shoehorned into a different role (All) while Tytos's faction was changed to Power and then they gave Fame to Auguste since they probably couldn't come up with another Power villain yet.Or the fact the writing became a mess once the Bestower arcs started and they needed to connect the stories together and Tatloch ruined everything.
>>3916406>Can hit 2 Vigorous Strikes during break while also offering support utility thanks to Forbidden Dagger accessShe's literally the only Axe unit that can do this without any external help. Definitely one of the better earlygame units you get.
>>3916477>>3916496Hmmm I will see about that.The power arc at least has an unique enemy this time, a country seemingly made of barbaric warrior women.Meanwhile fame was a buffed up Scarlet Wing and Wealth more mafia guys (Who were wimps anyways).Power and Wealth at least have characters you have spent a lot of time with in Bargello and Alaune. I dont dislike Rinnyu but she was mostly an acquaintance. So Fame so far is bottom in interest.>>3916505>>3916659>>3917002In my case yeah she is mostly a BP donate bot but also like to use sp share.Her passive of protecting from ailments is just so useful. Particularly on MC Warrior as he deals the most damage or Saoirse to keep her buffing units.Sure other characters can BP but she is the best at it as she has sp share built in.I plan to give her Alfyn great axe damage skill.I gave her that character creation skill that lets her debuff enemies too. She has lots of SP which is nice.Talking of new units, it's kinda annoying they come with so little JP for skills. Just enough to be one skill away from getting their ultimate move and maybe some spare for equip skills. Like I got Alfyn and Olberic and they need to train before I use them while Stia has plenty to use for masteries.Lucky for them I have fought sone Octopi so they got good JP amount (Also able to build their statue).Alsso love Sharks, any game that has them is 10/10.
>>3916479I feel like Rondo was meant to be recruited way earlier but they moved him late for some reason. He joined and had a party chat with Delitia where she kept talking about how she hopes to find her brother one day when I had that quest completed long ago.Would make a little more sense for him to join early then get a Paladin Cecil kind of power up when BoA6 hits but they did him dirty this way.
>>3917056>Meanwhile fame was a buffed up Scarlet WingOh my, you have no idea where Bestower of Fame is going. It was written by a lunatic in an asylum with only a small fragment of his neocortex left. (That can be good or bad or both, you decide after getting through it.)
>>3899317Jew cats that use money as a weapon. kek. yep... squarenix is japanese alright.
>>3917760>>3916814>>3916988it is because Simeon gave the ring to Auguste and Simeon is Lyblac's discipledeleted post is me fucking up spoiler tags
>>3917764Wow I totally forgot that scene but yeah now I remember
Bros talk me out of starting a new game but as an slutty female chosen one dancer to eat out Stia and Heidne.
>>3917360It's the Mindt plot from Octopath 2 again.and it was fairly obvious it was going to be that based on both the Inquire info you can get from the theological scholar in Atlasdam and Sazantos' reaction to first meeting herIf you haven't already played Octopath 2 though, it probably will come as a surprise to you. They did a pretty good job of planting false leads, like how the scenario's Temenos equivalent, a very atypical priest who is secretly a direct report to the pontiff, isn't associated with your party at all and comes off as very suspicious as a resultBut even if you have played Octopath 2, I guess the middle step where that one priest is sexual abusing his own adopted daughter is pretty deranged, but also kind of in line with how Master of Power was written
>>3917812i encourage this actually anon
bestower of fame, wants to be a God...- push overthe damn fire bird- mogs and bullys my team ..fuck that last arena boss, i need strats, please help chat ...
Does anyone know the name and where to find the music that plays during Pardis las battle?I cant find it anywhere. Dang why are uploaders so shit nowadays?There is a khinsider CoC upload but none of them have a name that indicates what music it is.
>>3917363Cait slavery is also a thing
There's so much rape in this game I think every single arc has rape involved
I did not enjoy 2 partly due to the disjointed story structure. Does this alleviate that issue in any meaningful capacity?
Why this thread is full of imbeciles again? Do you have fun in pretending to be retarded?
>>3918027Song for Pardis phase 3 is just OT1 Galdera phase 2: Daughter of the Dark God.
>>3918195Self-insert silent (out of battles) MC with story arcs having story-specific NPCs while (You) are mostly just "there" as the Chosen One.It's like a wannabe typical JRPG with Fire Emblem tier character writing utilization.
>>3918281Thanks!Yeah the name didnt help. Also lol at getting spoiled at who is probably the main antagonist via song name Never trusting a sword only class
>>3918027Come on, bro. You can't be that lazy
>>3918180Just remember MoW, BoF and BoA.
So any news of possible mods to add more characters?>>3918621Forgot to check the wiki. Haha.
>>3918621OST questions in all cases are legit and should be answered with links. FFS I can't stop doing cardio to Sazantos' themes from mama-sama onward.
>>3918656I wonder how many cases there are where there are songs in 0 that aren't in any of the osts
This game only really has one superboss though right? Is there really a need for a lot of tier discussion? This game did not seem as hard as I remember 1 being. Is that the case or was I just more used to the battle system in 0?
>>3918660There are 23 new piece of music per the OST, which is 34 songs with 11 from COTC.
>>3918681Yes.No.It's the easiest if you ignore 2's Galdera and the Extra Battles. Otherwise, 2's the easiest to break apart.You're a seasoned vet. I've seen "people" seething over how difficult normal/story Vide was for them.
>>3918916*if you take into account
I finished master of all yesterday and holy fuck I'm burnt outhow long are the bestower storylines?
>>3918997I'd say the rest of the game may take you 30-50 hours, the Bestower storylines are a bit longer
>>3918997At least (most of) the dungeons in the Bestower arcs apply puzzles in them to try to break the monotony, but......>Bestower of W/P/FLonger than the Master equivalents. Power is probably the longest among them.>Bestower of AllLonger than the Master equivalent.
>>3919123Master of All felt longer. No idea about actual objective time, but boy did it drag.
>>3919004>>3919123okay I'm done with this game then. I can't even get through bestower of wealth ch. 1, it's so fucking boring
>>3919372There's a reason why the designated completion time is around 100 hours.It's too long considering the chapters were sequentially added to CotC on an, if I recall correctly, inconsistent update schedule other than the first 3 Master arcs.
>>3919258You probably didn't care for Elrica/Alaune/Pardis as much as whoever in BoA (and the fact that you're nearing the end) so it might have felt longer. BoA is genuinely much longer, especially with the new ch7 and the practically unchanged CotC ch8/final chapter.
Imo, it would've been better if there were three 8-chapter Master and Bestower arcs in OT0 as originally intended for CotC or they were just longer than 3 chapters (all the masters are fought too early, are far too weak, and do not at all live up to their reputation).These 3-chapter arcs were all fairly disappointing, especially Master and Bestower of Power. And I have no idea why they decided to remove a bunch of scenes from BoF too, same with the dungeons in the Flamebringer's Shrine (although that's BoA). I also wish Simeon, Lyblac, and Mattias got more screentime, sure, you can just play OT1 for more on them but it's really weird to have them appear all out of nowhere in the Forbidden Temple, even a side-quest would've been fine, no need to fight them or anything, just a bit more context (how Simeon, Lyblac, Mattias, and Ceraphina all met, how the Obsidians were created, how Simeon ended up in Noblecourt, etc.). It's just jarring how disconnected it feels from OT1 even though they play in the same world and many characters reappear.Given that there's a bunch of divine beast-related flags in the files, I do still have some hope for a DLC or update adding Emberflame stuff which would give Mattias more of a character but I guess OT0 is supposed to serve as an ad for CotC as in "OT0 but more".
>>3919441It makes sense to show Simeon, Lyblac, and Mattias because it goes into some backstory and how this plot relates to OT1, but the scenes with them did feel a bit 'weird' or 'inserted' rather than well integrated.I doubt going with 8 chapter master and bestower arcs was ever in the cards though as it would require rebuilding basically the entire scenaro. And I am pretty sure their aim was to preserve the content in a similar form from CotC on console/pc rather than get into cut/restructured scenarios they initially planned.Really, all I think 0 actually needed was a fix to the writing. The writing outside Auguste's scenario and a few key points in BoF, BoA and BoW was really, really flawed. If this game had a translator like Ted Woolsey (without the Nintendo imposed censorship) who was willing to bend the obviously Japanese dialogue and tropes into something more elevated and unique, it could've been turned into a masterpiece.The game has the structure and scale, but the writing fails it, because it's often dull the more experience to other Japanese works you've seen. Things like Aluane's speeches almost feel like copy paste jobs from other works. The themes didn't even have to be fully changed but merely rephrased in a way that wasn't as generic. It's too overtly written based on the typical boilerplate tropes found in many Japanese works aimed at the shounen demographic (which is conflicting, given some of the things that take place in this game are extreme for that demographic in modern times like the Miza stuff).
>>3919488*Alaune
>>3919488>goes into some backstory and how this plot relates to OT1That's probably what I wished OT0 would've expanded the most on. You even see flashback scenes of Salomon in the Ruins of Eld but these places are only accessible in OT1. They had the opportunity to give a lot more context and backstory to OT1's lore especially since most of the work like map design was done in OT1 already but the world just wound up as a setpiece for the main plot of Side Orsterra.No need to include places like Duskbarrow in the main story but having them be accessible and involved in some side-quests would've already sufficed for me. Both games feel far too disconnected for how close in time they are supposedly taking place.I'm also disappointed that they've not expanded Hell at all, in fact, it's even more barren now. Ofc they rightfully probably took into account the massive main story but there's not a whole lot to the world besides it>I doubt going with 8 chapter master and bestower arcs was ever in the cards though as it would require rebuilding basically the entire scenaroSure, still wish they would've done more than switching a few scenes around, and removing/adding others. I did like the new Sazantos flashback a lot for instance. I really believe a lot of these considerations like removing the dungeons in the Flamebringer's Shrine were done because they feared the game might just end up being too long>a fix to the writingI definitely agree with that, I remember a lot of awkward wording but that's just a staple of Octopath at this point lol, especially in languages other than English. I remember in OT1 that Therion used to sometimes use the term "tea leaves" to refer to "thieves" and the various European localizations which seemingly used the English one as a template just translated that literally even though it made no sense in the context. Genuinely not any better than an AI translation
Is there an npc I can buy blueberries from?
>>3899317Holding paws with Isla
Alright, I have finished BoA and I will now rank the stories in how I feel about them.MoF > POWER GAP > BoA > BoW > Wishvale > MoA > POWER GAP > MoW > BoP > MoP > BoFAuguste steals the fucking show at every opportunity and I kneel at his showmanship.Sazantos starts strong with the coolest intro of the entire game and a VA that tries, falls off immediately by putting me in literal filler hell BUT, and I mean this genuinely, Chapter 7 completely turned around my opinion of him. Holy fuck was Chapter 7 good, and the final dungeon being the best in the franchise didn't hurt either.Oskha, I was similarly down on until the last chapter. When the pretense finally dropped and he started throwing a fit like the fucking child he is, I began to love him. Also Golden Palace was similarly sick. Great theme, too.I did not care for Ceraphina whatsoever. Her entire role is secondary, she's a literal stepping stone for Lyblac in her own god damn story, how cucked can you be? Even Tytos, who had little going for him, was still at least a good starter villain with a personal motive to kill, same with Herminia (helps The Family is the only group worth a damn).I admit my opinion of post-BoP Tatloch influences my opinion of her chapter a bit and it shouldn't, but I also really liked the theme and she's hot. That matters.Pardis is odd because I don't care about him too much, he certainly has a presence but that's about it. I couldn't find myself caring about El or Edoras in general for that matter, and every time Alaune gets on her fucking soapbox I think about muting the game (BoP suffered for this as well) I'm so tired of hearing her talk about the light of hearts yadda yadda yadda. Not MoA but I can't believe Elrica got the best boss theme in the game. Her, of all characters? Fucked up.Overall, I enjoyed the game. I know I still have to fight Galdera and I'll probably knock that out tomorrow, but from right now I am pretty satisfied.
So I started the first chapter of the Bestower arcs.Power is what I expected though I think it was wrong to let you fight Thaloc as she didn't hit that hard and I broke her shield before she unleashed her ultimate attack.She should have at least get to unleash it. Very different from Pardis one shotting MC before he faces El.Wealth wasn't that good. Devechio and Leopaldi were kinda lame but ended strong with the Oskha reveal. I expect this one to be carried by being more personal for the character you follow but so far it feels low stakes.The Fame arc takes off after the events of Tytos so I like the continuity but this time the stakes are higher. The mystery is good and while its seemingly clear who the mastermind is, I expect some kind of subversion. Though kinda surprised how little Velnorte is mentioned. Fame has the best bosses so far so it won.I'm liking these bosses have some kind of gimmick to keep you on your toes. Bosses are better than Master of All.Anyways also unlocked the mobster arena. Kind of a missed opportunity to have Haniit involved in the arena arc.
>>3922506Updating as I have beat Galdera.It felt like both endings were meant to be at the same time and then they just split them in half. The fight with the Rings was better as a final boss than Galdera was. That fight was basically a giant gimmick that is trivialized by using Almighty Olives on top of any other ability that says "All Allies". Still, I'll admit it was pretty fun. Seeing all 35 dudes line up is certainly an experience and the Switch 1 can barely handle it which honestly made it better. Also, each character having a unique Max Boost is spectacular.Them whitewashing the BoA as being "lightly possessed" was a massive fucking copout, though. I'm glad I get to use him but fuck off with that. The Accurst Flame essentially got turned from the BoA using anything at his disposal to enact his righteous anger to just being Galdera's sloppy seconds. Actually insulting twist, equal to claiming that Rondo's Flame is somehow stronger in that final sidequest. If Rondo's Flame is so strong why is he worse than fucking El despite being recruited 50 hours later? I think Rondo is somehow my most hated character in the game. Alaune is boring and makes me roll my eyes, but Rondo actively annoys me whenever he speaks.The Dragon is still kicking my ass because of those orbs. I hadn't thought about it until now, but are these the Dragonstones from Therion's story? Which are also from Rondo's House? That's some neat tying together of disparate threads. Now that we've seen more of the way the Gods work, I wonder why those stones hold the power to seal the Gate. Speaking of the Gods, why don't the Extra Jobs from OT1 have rings? They have statues, scriptures, days named after them, but no rings? I really expected to unlock them for the MC at some point.Got sidetracked but yeah, overall the ending was good. Very fanservice-y hearing from everybody one more time, and it got me to tear up a bit, I'll admit. I did spend over 120 hours in the world, it's only fair I get to.
Nishiki (Octopath composer) just uploaded a new video, for the first time in 2 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RHJzCqT9KE
>>3923423>The Dragon is still kicking my ass because of those orbsYou just have to blow them up before they do anything. Bargello (since he's the only one with A Step Ahead) + Dance of Sloughs gives you an opening with much needed breathing room.
>>3923546Flamesgrace/Emberglow theme doesn't do much without the choir part.
>>3923423The unique max boosts were awesome. I've accepted that fight even though it was easy, but I can't consider it say a 'canon' ending. It's too disjointed from Sazantos' trauma and what occurred there. That ending barely even wants to discuss what we witnessed in Sazantos' arc. I view it more as a gimmick add on to get Galdera in there.Also Galdera's english VA ... has some issues. Feels very wrong. Not as bad in battle but out of battle had me going "lol wut"
>>3923751Agreed, the Lyblac-Mattias-Simeon subplot is way too disconnected to the Galdera ending. All they did is give Lyblac her own journal in the final dungeon and there's also one journal that spawns after the ordinary ending, that's it lol.
>>3923751>gimmick add on to get Galdera in thereThat's basically what it is. Like that Armored Odio in the Live A Live remake, they want to add a more positive ending that was never in the original.
>>3923792>they want to add a more positive ending that was never in the originalThat explains quite a bit, actually. Especially why it felt so unbelievably rushed in comparison. The only reason Sazantos works as the final boss is because you see his fall from grace and can understand it. After the Galdera 'reveal', and for the rest of the ending (including that sidequest), he just seems listless because his role and purpose was literally stolen from him. I like the idea that (You) and him go on a journey together as brothers, that's nice enough, but it's not an ending that befits the guy who literally ripped open hell and drove his sister (though he likely didn't know that) to kill herself just so he could ascend the steps of godhood. It needed way more time to be developed. As in, a whole extra chapter or two where characters come to term with the fact that Sazantos is back on their side and he comes to terms with being out of the running as God, rather than running straight into the fight. I wouldn't even mind if it were Galdera opening up more sections in filler Hell and everyone having to put out fires with Sazantos accompanying you to help the various Guardians of Light. I don't know, I still liked it but I wish it landed better.>>3923567Yeah, I got him. I went back to the Flamebringer shrine after seeing a comment online and found you could get your Ultimates back just from talking to Aelfric. A single Dohter's Charity changed my prospects from a battle of attrition to an absolute fucking stomp. That and finally using all those nuts I'd been saving all game. Lotus Blade in a post-Sharp Nut world changes lives.Also, it's nice seeing a dev room. Can't remember the last time I've seen one. That's a nice final capstone to the game.
>>3924202The CotC ending worked better.To say nothing of the fact that the new one actually made Orsa's power levels look like a joke for the top god of the continent.
I hardly can see the "Sazantos's possessed by Galdy". For me, it was Galdera just used Sazantos's flames to manifest itself, but that itself creates another dilemma. Besides Lyblac's journal (kinda late, of course), there's barely stuff hinting Galdera could return. Also, the whole Lyblac stuff for resurrecting him (dragonstones, crossfords) kinda feels complex in comparison of having someone traversing Hell so he can encroach upon them for while (kinda like Lyblac did with Phina) until the Aelfric's ring conveniently shatters, because rings were keeping Galdy in check too (hence the Finis' gamble). Granted, he was "resurrected" in the heavens, that is the other side of the afterlife, so you can say he have yet to be complete, hence he absorbed his mom to do the deal like Lyblac used Kit, but still.>>3924231Give her a break. Poor original milf was just a corpse the main ants can't stop desecrating over and over.
>>3924244>I hardly can see the "Sazantos's possessed by Galdy"Look over his Inquires in town again. It's not something so explicit as "Galdera took over and ran his body" but the word 'bewitched' is used in each iteration. That's why I think 'lightly possessed' is a fair middle ground. He, apparently, wasn't in his right mind which detracts quite a bit from his titular chapter if thought about for too long. I agree that it's nicer to think that Galdera just took a ride on him and was wholly disconnected until the ring shattered but that's partially wishful thinking if taking the text at face value.
>>3924386Sazantos started using the acrust flame to clear out that schismatic church faction after having his literal Sephiroth moment White haired swordsman who is "the best" going crazy after reading about his mom in a secret underground library? Maybe a little too on the noseAnd that was before his sojourn to Hell, so... I see the usage of "bewitched" to be more "tempted to use the power of the acrust flame (which is associated with Galdera) for his own purpose".Making it a bad decision in a moment of passion (anger) kind of situation and not a lose control of his own faculties kind of situation
This game's cutscenes are a fucking joke. Literally all the protagonists outside of Elrica and Bargello act like single-cell organisms with negative IQ to allow the villains to commit the necessary actions to move the plot forward. The game is also too long for its own good especially when the gameplay loop and depth isn't enough to justify the length, and locking key gameplay mechanics behind main story/quest progression was an asinine decision. Definitely can see why this was not a full-priced release even if $50 is honestly still too much for this entry. This is the first time I ever take breaks while playing an Octopath game, the pacing and player drive is so poorly handled.
>>3925173>This is the first time I ever take breaks while playing an Octopath game, the pacing and player drive is so poorly handled.Considering that the chapter updates for CotC took weeks/months in between each other, that's actually on ponit.
>>3925283The story also feels very disjointed imo bc you're just going through different stories where the main villain is the "focus" instead of a protagonist (except for the Wealth paths). And the outcome is always, logically, the villain dying, instead of unique endings like traditional Octopath stories with a focus on the protagonist. This game is just not well thought-out imo. This is the kind of format that works for gacha games, where you have different villains for each major story arc, but it doesn't work when you turn it into a journey on a console experience. Locking key gameplay features behind story progression instead of hidden subjobs, and not having any skills that only work at MAX boost greatly diminishes the value of BP in this game, which is a baffling decision considering it's one of the core mechanics of the series. All these decisions really made this game feel like a low-budget spin-off that ultimately fails in most regard.
>>3925289>>3925173This is a game for people who played FF6 because Kefka was diabolical and nuts, or FF7 because Sephiroth was cool, Lunar because Ghaleon is cool, or Xenogears to see the endgame of Grahf and Karellen/Krelians' plans.That is a rather different audience than Octopath 1-2, although there is overlap. The closest feeling I got was Simeon from Octopath 1, who was awesome and it didn't hurt that so was Primrose. It's them trying something a bit different than the same ol same ol, which isn't necessarily something they shouldn't do. I liked enough parts of it, although it was definitely too long and the writing was pretty bad at certain parts. And it is absolutely puzzling to me that they could write the MoF scenario and yet the same game contains MoA, BoP, and MoP. I've not done research into the breakdown of scenario writers of 0 but I can't imagine the same person who wrote Auguste's scenario also wrote Tytos's.
>>3925644None of the villains im 0 are even remotely comparable to any of those iconic villains from the classic games though.Also nobody played those games for the villains either, they played them for the protagonist and their awesome story and adventure, the charismatic villain was just the cherry on top.I honestly find Simeon to be better than most of the villains in 0 too because thematically he fits into Primrose's character and story. 0 suffers from having weak protagonists so the villains have no one to bounce off. The closest stories 0 had to 1-2 were the Wealth stories where the ovee-the-top villain thematically fita with the charismatic protagonist cast of The Family who actually do get development throughout these stories as well. Everything else from 0 is a flop to me.
Amatsukami no Orochi StatsPhys Attack - 980Elem Attack - 960Phys Def - 85Elem Def - 85Accuracy - 427Speed - 320Crit - 323Evasion - 313Seriously WTF? I can understand its attack stats being in the 500-600 range, maybe even 700 given you can reach that normally by endgame, but a whopping 900+?!
>>3926015It doesn't do as much damage as you think. It's not Galdera or True Vide tier damage output when you have Saving Grace. The bigger problem is the turn limit before the guaranteed 9999 damage AOE attack if you don't break him.But he's still easy compared to them since multihit ultimates tear him apart, and a Dohter MC buffing whoever to spam those ultimate gauge items makes him a complete joke.
>>3926015this is not high though and given its extremely low defense stats (you forgot to mention crit def being 0 which is usually only the case for encounters) it's really just a DPS check. Also, you have tons of extremely strong defensive options, Phenn's Ultimate alone trivializes any kind of damage you can receive in the base-game.I've played through the game with a 50% stat increase on bosses and I'd say it only gets really rough at 1300
>>3925674>Also nobody played those games for the villains either, they played them for the protagonist and their awesome story and adventure, the charismatic villain was just the cherry on top.I am skeptical of this claim. I think there are probably at least some who for some JRPGs played them for Kefka and his crazy antics or Grahf/Krelian. Sometimes protags are really boring blank slates or the focus shifts in the game a lot. FF6 doesn't have a strong protagonist, it focuses on many of the cast members at separate parts. Fei starts off pretty blank slate due to the backstory being shrouded for a long time in the game but he does improve.No doubt those classics are better than OT0 though. It's just the devs' attempt to call back to the past. No guarantee they'd succeed in surpassing such games. It would be a tall order.
>>3925674nta but the thing that I dislike the most is that most of OT0's world just feels like a setpiece for the plot (e.g. every OT1 town or kingdom that does not play a direct role in Side Orsterra has just been scrubbed, even if it's explicitly referenced like Triberia or the Western Tribes and the side quest content is very little compared to OT1 and OT2). It also makes no sense that Riven castle remains a dungeon after MoA, they could've at least given it the Tytos Cathedral treatment. Hell suffers greatly from this, it pretty much just exists for BoA
>>3926127The only people who give classic games a try because of the cool villains are secondaries or zoomers. Most actual gamers give games a shot because the premise of the adventure sounds interesting, the motivation and epicness of the villains are usually revealed as the game unfolds, they're not typically presented up front as a hook. The world and lore usually have to be interesting enough especially if the protagonist cast isn't as strong. 0 has none of this outside of Elrica and The Family, the latter of which is relegated to a storyline that has very little connection with the overarching storyline which is honestly more of a blessing than a curse, because the main story is drawn out, unengaging, and mostly nonsensical. Wealth is the only storyline in this game with villains that have a strong connection and contrast to the protagonist cast who is properly fleshed out and even went through decent personal development.
>>3926127FF6 did have strong protagonists and the supporting cast is very strong as well. Kefka works extremely well as a foil to both of the main protagonists in its 2 arcs, Terra and Celes. Haven't played Xenogears but I'm pretty sure that MC has amnesia or something so the blankness is somewhat justified from that alone. 0 felt like Sazantos should've been the protagonist instead and you get the choice to go rogue or get redeemed.
>>3926075Yeah, turns out you were right, I had around 20 or so Jams that capped out my team
>>3926186Most of us who played these RPGs in the 90s were secondaries.While it's hard for me to distance myself from having played it without a 'hook' since I just played it because it was FFIII, I can see people now thinking the hook of FF6 is somewhat generic without Kefka: magic was lost for a thousand years since the war of the magi and the Emperor is using magitek armor, conquering continents and searching for espers to try to harness magic again. The great parts about it tend to be the scenarios and character moments rather than something that's easy to boil down to a summary. Kefka has lots of one liners that spread so I can see interest modern notoriety and interest coming from that.>>3926196Sazantos wouldn't have worked as the main I don't think because part of his core character is that inferiority complex of having been created, born and raised to wear Aelfric's ring and then ironically not being chosen. If he was the main they would have to alter that in some way. Either part of his character would be lost or they'd have to not give the main Aelfric's ring. They would have to mess with the ultimates system. Also scattered niche plot points depend on the main having Aelfric's ring. I suppose it could be done but it'd require a lot of finagling.
>>3926241The hook of FF6 would be the cool semi-steampunk medieval fantasy world and being able to play with a large cast of characters, most of whom have unique gameplay gimmicks and engaging stories, and of course, the incredible OST. Kefka is a cool key part of FF6, but he's by no means something the game hinges around as a selling point. The closest FF that is more known for its villain as a hook is probably FF7, and I'd say even then, it also has many other hooks. The world being cool, Cloud having a badass design and 2 waifus of different flavours for you to play around with which they definitely emphasized on further in the remake. 0 doesn't have much aside from the townbuilding and the Octopath gameplay formula, which it significantly deviates from in a mostly negative way imo. Even the OST feels like a downgrade from previous entries.
>>3926241They should've made Rondo worth a damn as a character then instead of a waste of space on top of being a trash unit.
>>3926196I don't hate the MC of 0 being a blank self-insert that you create. In a way, I think it's pretty funny and equally fucked up that you decide his appearance based on his origin. That said, I agree that the game needed a stronger focal point that he could have filled if they had given you more wiggle room on his personality. For most of the game you're given choices, and I'm used to them being little more than just conversation markers, but there are so many that downplay your virtuosity. One in particular, from Sazantos himself when you first meet him, always stuck out to me.>"For what cause do you bear the ring?">Revenge.>"Oh...that's not what I expected from the one chosen by Aelfric. Perhaps he sees your cause as just." >(or something like that, I don't remember the exact lines)There's a lot of early options in the Master Trilogy that can paint the as MC not being this paragon of virtue but rather just a regular guy who wants to fucking kill everyone who caused Wishvale to burn and gets inevitably swept up in the rest against his will. Yet they focus so hard on that virtuous aspect that by the time you reach Bestower of All and you can cynically vote to 'cut off her head' it feels out of character for the MC. I wish they would have leaned into different interpretations of the character (had you chosen those options) more than flanderizing him into becoming some overly nice guy who helps everybody he sees. I'm not talking a full alignment system or anything, just some different dialogue here and there.
>>3926636The ost I'd have to disagree given it includes 60% of the other games' osts and great tracks of its own, mostly new battle tracks and Sazantos stuff
>>3926719I recall one scenario making a big deal of how the MC never got corrupted by the ring like everyone else did, so I think it's for sure they are deciding MC is a paragon of virtue for you. But it's already kind of a dour tale with all the horrific stuff that happens, if someone chose to make the MC just another power hungry nut there really wouldn't be any joy left in Orsterra
Passionate, unprotected, baby-making sex with Laurana while Stia watches!
>>3928196Dont cuck your big bro Phenn. But honestly she should offer her pussy to the male villagers as reparations.
Seems like the honeymoon phase of OT0 is over. The game is getting dragged now on forums by long-time series fans, though of course there's still many toxic positive fans and definitely paid shills by SE trying to scrub negative posts and damage control for this shitshow.
>>3929125If you believe OT0 is somehow much worse than the previous games, you are definitely delusional. We can argue at length about the scenario writing and I would agree that OT2 and several chapters in OT1 are written better but there never was any serious commitment to making the games properly non-linear, implementing C&C, or a reactive overworld fitting a game of its kind as much as the first game loves to boast of your supposed ability to "solve side quests and story scenarios in a few different ways and take decisions that shape your path."The game is just as strictly linear as any other Octopath game, in fact, it might be the most innovative game of the series in that regard with its multiple endings and minor choices here and there, like whether to defeat the Edoras Defensers of Wealth/Power/Fame prior to facing Pardis or not.But in every other aspect besides graphics, OT0 is simply superior. The battle system and party customization is just better, you don't get to see it much because the game is every bit as piss-easy as the previous ones (and don't pretend games where a supposed final boss of a chapter has just 68k HP or a measly 97k and 4 shields in OT1's case isn't brainless) but the front/back row system and free skill assignment does wonders. It's also nice that gaining access to Surpassing Power, Overhealing, strong AoE heals, AoE Revives, and other busted nonsense takes longer in this game even if the low difficulty doesn't require you to use any of these.Starting with the Bestower arcs, you also have actual dungeons for the first time in the series. Granted, the encounter design is still terrible (massive step down from OT1 which had the best in the series) but it's still an upgrade from a hallway leading to the boss with 2 chests on the side (which still exist in OT0).What's really disappointing about OT0 is just how much of it is a straight asset upgrade from CotC and their inane decision to still strip it of most of its side-content.
>>3929125Nah this is similar to the Fire Emblem Engage situation.Everyone doesn't like the new direction so they feel they have to be specially vocal and annoying as to "tell" Square to go back to the previous formula.Once OT3 is announced and if it follows on 1&2, they will shut up.If its like Zero then yeah this game will be dogpiled on even further.
>>3929222>but there never was any serious commitment to making the games properly non-linear, implementing C&C, or a reactive overworld fitting a game of its kindI will say that OT0 also stomps the first two games there as well. Yeah, unlocking Ku after beating Hikari's story is neat and you can tell that they started to realize that "Oh, towns are like treasure boxes." due to how path actions worked. You can see it here in Donescu, the latter half of Emberglow, Berecain, etc. The game finally starts using the towns like the carrots they are but then it becomes apparent that they seemingly just forgot to fill in the rest of the world. Yeah, it's cool that I have the King of Riven in my party, why can't I visit his town? Why is his castle still a dungeon? I don't know much about the gacha, but I do know you can visit the tribes that Delitia is from and constantly mentions. Why can't I meet with some tribals? Maybe It's been awhile but I don't think OT1 or OT2 had any areas that felt like they were 'missing', with OT0 trying to tell a much grander tale, it becomes a lot more obvious that stuff either got cut for time or just never got made. Hell is probably the most prime example of that. A whole new overworld for 3ish locations. Yes, seeing Hornburg at its peak was incredibly cool (though no sidequest with Olberic there was heartbreaking, canon or not) but that doesn't excuse the absolute waste that is the rest of that map. I have to wonder, even beyond the gacha parts which counts for a good chunk I'm sure, what all got left on the cutting room floor?
>>3929279For many people, this isn't a good new direction for OT. And for many, Engage wasn't also a good new direction either. FE at least had enough mechanical variety between the games ao the Engage situation could have felt a bit more like personal taste to some extent. But 0 is too different from 1 and 2 so the backlash is definitely understandable. It feels demoralizing especially if you didn't like both the gameplay and the storytelling style, because it feels like it's trying to be anything but Octopath outside of the mostly bite-sized dungeons.
>>3906918THISHoly fuck does it look like my kind of game but not putting a strategy game on PC is pure stupidity.
>>3929520Based Vanillaware doesn't want to give PCcucks to have kino.Go emulate like the bitch you are.
