2026 is almost here. This year for sure, right?
>>3900659Red's husband on the right.
>>3900690Rent-free
>>3900691Yeah, this mediocre series that you spam incessantly lives "rent free" in everybody's minds because you won't stop spamming it incessantly and forcing it into their heads.
>>3900692>forcing it into their headsHuh? Who forced you to enter the thread? Are you autistic?
>>3900694>throw pile of trash on the ground>someone complains about it>"R-RENT FREE! NO ONE FORCED YOU TO LOOK AT THE PILE OF TRASH!!!!"
>>3900697>sees a thread in the catalog that he doesn't like>intentionally enters itI don't understand. Are you just trying to make yourself angry? If I don't like something, I just filter it.
>>3900645>This year for sure, right?
I hope I can live happily ever after with my wife in BS3
>>3900755>live happily
>live happily
...with a cute fairy wife!
>>3900847>>3900848>>3900854SHUT UP you stupid fucking fairy.
>>3900715>>3900718>>3900848>>3900854
>>3900864Do this!
>>3900690you talk like pyrocynical
Helkaiser is a flat chested tsundere with purple twintails and sharp teeth.
>>3900886an extremely haughty and irritable brat who refuses to die when killed
>>3900886>>3900902>not using spoilers for the true final boss of BS3
>>3900955Hellkaiser is the true final boss of 3 in the same way Lindamea was for 2
Year of the horse
>>3901010Did the radfem get correction and breast implants?
Happy New Year, BSbros!
>>3901040Took me a moment to recognize everyone.
>>3900955>true final boss of BS3Grimm will fight the metaphysical concept of pedophilia itself.
>>3901040cyoot
>>3901101Against Epstein?
>>3901274Against the ones who ordered his assassination.
Can mods remove this slop from the board?
>>3901368Where are her bunny ears?
>>3900886God i wish
>>3901006God, this art is shitRed looks like a fucking fridge
I speed drew this for New Year, Happy New Year grimmbros, may you find your Alices
>>3901437Based drawfren!
>>3901437Very nice work, anon!
>>3901437cute
Grinding through the floors in the Chaos Dungeon to fight the Old King, diving into Winterbell, and stealing all the shit to fight the boss rush in Chaos Dungeon. Oh, and I guess free myself. But mostly MayMaying
>>3900659So Elizabeth was the grandma in Red Hood's Woods and then Leaf blatantly retconned Elizabeth into Red's mom in the Lost Empire, right?
>>3901626Yes, but we don't know what relation (if any) the people whose souls were taken for these roles had in the real world. Maybe Ellie was her real mom, and the RHW fanfic was the greater retcon to fit Mary's story. That feels truer to their BS2 interaction.
>>3901437Nice work anon. Love the fact that Node agreed to have everyone present.
Should I bother trying to figure him out or should I just dash past him on the chain bridge?
>>3901692You kinda have to figure him out anon. Plus if you somehow dodge him here, then he will get you next time.
>>3901692The Owl is optional but you're missing out on great dialogue.
The more I've listened to her ramblings the cuter she gets. I did not expect this.
>>3901692CRUSH HIMDESTROY HIMOR BECOME HOLLOW AND IGNORE HIM LIKE A LITTLE BITCH
>>3901848She's great! Definitely one of the most underrated girls. Probably in the top 10 from BS2 for me.
>>3901692>struggling on the bridge fightunironically NGMI
>>3901692Victory, although in an inefficient way, where Requiem was combined with slow speed for cooldown, and Stone Flesh was used to prevent the grizzly doing funny things to me.
>>3901954Did you poisoning?
Will someone who plays Monster Girl Quest Paradox enjoy this?
>>3902159Besides them both being HJRPGs made in RPGM with monsters available to fuck (albeit BS has much fewer and leans much more heavily into humanoid than MGQ), there's not a whole lot of overlap. Grimm is typically the dominant/leading party as opposed to Luka's incorrigible masosub tendencies, BS is an ATB system as opposed to MGQP's pure turn based system, Classes are effectively meaningless in both BS games past the first half hour as opposed to MGQ having Job/Race/Trait autism, and so on. About the only real point of commonality as far as gameplay goes that I can make between the two is that they're both really simple to break if you know what you're doing.That said, I have over 300 hours in Paradox and have probably put more than that in on BS over the years due to lorefagging and otherwise replaying the games, the games themselves are only ~10 and ~30-40 hours long on an average playthrough though. As for enjoyment, most people regard BS1 to be fairly mediocre outside of its endings, while BS2 gets a lot more praise overall. You can't skip BS1 though due to plot shit, BS2 is a direct sequel to it even if it doesn't seem like it at first. If you're unsure, just pirate it.
>>3901954Now try talking to him at the start of the snow region. I don't even remember if he's still there after you beat him. Otherwise, next run!
>>3902167Good to know. I might pirate It
>>3902185NTA, he is. Also there's another interaction there that's one of the most missable in the whole game.
When you think about it it's kind of wacky how the ideal order of endings for BS1 is B A characters C L2 D. Then again BS2's is probably C A D B E F G H (but you probably end up doing C A D E B G F H if you're blind).Actually I'm going to go on a whole other tangent here and say it's sort of annoying how F clearly works better if it's before G but in the moment no sane person would pick it first. It would be cool if you could have something like only getting the memories prerequisite but not the encounters one locks you into F.
>>3902215>how F clearly works better if it's before GG into F works better. You're taking G at face value when you get it, but after F you should be questioning it.Red couldn't defeat TCO. It's impossible. The only explanation that makes sense is that it let her go after token resistance, and that the main difference between F and G is that G doesn't reveal it to the player.
>>3902367>Red couldn't defeat TCO.Red didn't, Grimm AND Red did. TCO actually dies in G's timeline, the game makes that explicitly clear, the only part of TCO you actually kill in F seems to be Prickett.
>>3902377>the game makes that explicitly clearNo, that's just completely wrong. I replayed that segment to check just now. "The game" doesn't do that, all that happens is Red and Poro declare TCO dead after killing a couple of its Alice avatars. But they are mortals, ignorant and probably unable to even conceive who TCO in its entirety is. Killing a handful of those 'Alices' could never end TCO.Are you assuming for your argument that the 'three Alices' that stop Red being Jubjub&co? Those three are much more definitely dead (at least two of them are lesser beings executed by a niggerman), so by all accounts this must be TCO taking their roles.
>>3902408>Are you assuming for your argument that the 'three Alices' that stop Red being Jubjub&co? Those three are much more definitely dead (at least two of them are lesser beings executed by a niggerman), so by all accounts this must be TCO taking their roles.I'm not assuming anything, that's exactly what they are and what they have always been, as DLC 3 makes explicitly clear in H. Mother, Younger Sister, and Daughter were never roles played by TCO, they were played by Jabber, Jubjub, and Bander. Their souls are playing a double role via the Nightmare vessels and the Alice vessels, and even the destruction of one of their vessels (I.E. their Nightmare vessels in the reverse route) does not mean the destruction of the other (I.E. their Alice vessels). Sure, I could say that I think it's kinda stupid as far as writing goes, but that's what EMMM wrote and stuck with for the entire game, and so that's what's needs to be taken as canon.>"The game" doesn't do that, all that happens is Red and Poro declare TCO dead after killing a couple of its Alice avatars.Otherwise known as the fucking game telling you what just happened in case it wasn't clear enough from the fight. TCO has nothing to do with what happens in G after the fight that happens, it is 100% fucking dead in that timeline from that point on.>But they are mortals, ignorant and probably unable to even conceive who TCO in its entirety is.This is a series where multiple niggermen can and do in fact die when they are killed. Please stop and actually read what the game says before posting.
>>3902408>>3902412>I'm not assuming anything, that's exactly what they are and what they have always been, as DLC 3 makes explicitly clear in H. Mother, Younger Sister, and Daughter were never roles played by TCO, they were played by Jabber, Jubjub, and Bander.Picrel for the 1st Anon straight out of DLC3.
>>3902122Nowhere near enough luck to attempt poisoning with that setup. Besides, I wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally bring his HP below 50% before doing God's Angels x3 + Anchor on him.
>>3900708Imagine if mods banned people for "Just hide threads you don't like instead of shitposting".
>>3902377>Red didn't, Grimm AND Red did. TCO actually dies in G's timelineHoly shit LMAO, you're so fucking retarded. If Grimm and LMAO red prostitute could kill TCO so fucking easily, then Node, Prickett, and Mabel wouldn't have come up with such a complicated plan. They could have just killed TCO themselves. Or after GG dies. Node and Prickett, together with Grimm, could just fucking kill TCO. That would be a much safer and calmer way to leave Wonderland. But it's not that fucking easy. In the G ending, you fight with roughly 0.00000001% of TCO. His real body/bodies are the size of a fucking planet. You can see it if you lose to TCO in the G ending.
>>3902478TCO is lost in the role of Alice just as Shub was lost in the role of Baphomet, and can therefore be killed within that role and die for good. If Grimm + Mary actually killed Shub, there's no reason TCO can't die. This is also evident by how Alice Liddell's soul escapes its prison. On a meta level, End G was also the final ending of the base game, and Cheshire's scene after it confirming you're still trapped was only added in DLC3. The only reason things loop again after G is that GG is still there, which is why G is the requirement to unlock the doll scene and DLC3. GG has seen Grimm kill TCO and wants you for himself. The reason the three queens don't just kill TCO (aside from Prickett being part of it) is that they know it would be useless, because GG is still there and they're all somewhat bound to it. Yog could have done it, but Mabel makes it clear that if she acted at full power then Big A would wake up. Node doesn't even actually fully want you to go until the very end because she likes Grimm's dick too much. Grimm's special relationship with GG is possibly what makes him the only one actually capable of defeating it, and without defeating GG nothing can stop the cycles. But with GG gone, TCO is reduced to a mass of Alicae from which Grimm can eventually be pulled out without it chasing back any more, because playing the role so long has made it that weak.
>>3902447>Mother, Younger Sister, and Daughter were never roles played by TCO, they were played by Jabber, Jubjub, and Bander.Obviously, and after DLC3 this is clearly revealed as true for most of the game, but at this point during end G/F they are dead. "Double role" letting them continue acting is just trying to reconcile a (wrong) conclusion you came to with what the game shows. Jabber kills them dead and then at the very least acts like she dies for real, though she could be dead, too. Either way, if they are dead, they cannot be these three at this point in the story. Meanwhile TCO assumes an uncountable number of Alice forms during the fight (and H end), so it really isn't a stretch that he's playing these three roles in the absence of their actors. TCO is obsessed, but not incapable of deception. See literally the pre-scene fight.>Otherwise known as the fucking game telling you what just happenedTaking stupid (human) characters' knowledge as absolute truth is an astounding lack of media comprehension. Red thinks TCO is dead, but she can easily be wrong. She is proven wrong right after, see above.>multiple niggermen can and do in fact die when they are killedOne in BS1, due to her being an idiot and completely falling for another's scheme. One in BS2, again as a result of a massive plot by no less than three niggermen, and this is a weird niggerman to begin with. Potentially more in the end F/G path, if she's not bullshitting you. She could be.Arguably Kuti/Zoa, but those are so impossibly lesser than true niggermen (i.e. Outer Gods) that it doesn't count, proven by how easily Node[ns] disposes of one of them. I might be forgetting one or two somewhere, but none
>>3902499>last spoilerUnfortunately BS adopts Derlethian bullshit so the distinction is muddy.
>>3902498>ShubShe was not in her own garden, she was greatly weakened. TCO may have lost his mind, but he is still quite strong. >and can therefore be killed within that role and die for good.Headcanon bullshit. This is not explicitly stated anywhere in the game. You just pull it out of your ass.>is that they know it would be useless, because GG is still there and they're all somewhat bound to it.Read nigga >>3902478>Or after GG dies. Node and Prickett, together with Grimm, could just fucking kill TCO.If it were that easy, Node and Prickett would have simply killed TCO after GG died, you stupid faggot. The fact that they don't do this means that TCO is too strong and it's better to try your luck at escape.
>>3902514You're the one who should learn to read. Mabel could have done it, not the other two alone. But Grimm is stronger than both for whatever reason.
>>3902522>Mabel could have done it,Nope, maybe with the help of her true body, she's just an avatar after all. >not the other two aloneSo Grimm and the red prostitute can kill TCO, but fucking Nodens and Prickett + Grimm can't? Do you realize how retarded that sounds?
>>3902538>maybe with the help of her true bodySame difference as far as Mabel specifically is concerned. She's so in control she could call it in if needed.>+ GrimmYes, but they didn't have Grimm, and GG has its gears embedded in him. Grimm needs to free himself from GG before anything can matter, at which point they try to get him away instead because they don't want to risk anything. TCO is basically a lobotomite by H End.Also, despite GG being a fraction of Mary's power (albeit the most of it), GG + Grimm is so strong it's guaranteed to win the war as far as Mabel knows. F End spells it out, Grimm has surpassed Mary in power.
>>3902551>She's so in control she could call it in if needed.Mabel always brags and talks shit. Grimm almost broke her "vessel" when he fought her. Her avatar isn't as strong as she says it is.>Grimm needs to free himself from GG before anything can matter, at which point they try to get him away instead because they don't want to risk anything.That's retarded. Fighting TCO alongside with Grimm is safer than letting Grimm go alone when he is being chased by TCO.>Yes, but they didn't have GrimmEven without Grimm. Nodens and Prickett might be able to take down weakened TCO.
Leaf doodle
>>3902570Based drawfren!
>>3902570That's Mary Ann you fucking faggot.
>>3902570Leaf my beloved.
>>3902570drawfriend LOVEmary ann HATE
>>3902576>>3902604Leaf loves that you love to hate her
>>3902499You're quoting the wrong Anon.Meant for >>3902412.
>>3902576>Mary AnnThis one?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ann_Bevan
>>3902478>oly shit LMAO, you're so fucking retarded.>LMAO red prostituteOh hey, you're that dude who shit talks Red in every thread.Why are you trying to argue with anyone at all when you're not going to be objective about the topic that's being.Just say your piece about Red sucking or whatever man, lol.>>3902498>Cheshire's scene after it confirming you're still trapped was only added in DLC3.That scene has been there since at least DLC2.I never played the original release by itself or with the 1st DLC so I can't say when exactly was it added, but it was definitely there by the time DLC2 came out. Base+DLCs 1 and 2 is how I originally played the game myself.
>>3902638>She actually look decent beforeHoly shit that's so fuckedAt least, if you born ugly, it will stink way less
>>3902641I'm sure the sex scene was with DLC3 but maybe she was there before. Regardless I doubt it was part of the vanilla game. >>3902638The one from the Alice book you moron.
>>3902647I know thatI'm making leaf joke
>>3902641>Oh hey, you're that dude who shit talks Red in every thread.There are many people who don't like Red. There's nothing wrong with that. >you're not going to be objectiveSo you're saying that the red prostitute is stronger than Prickett or Node?Did you even read my posts, or did you just get angry because someone said something bad about your favorite character?
>>3902660>Prickett + Node > Mary>Red > MaryTherefore >Red >= Prickett + Node
>>3902662>Red > MaryKek redfag please. This MAY be true in BS 2, where Leaf was stripped of most of her powers, and even so, I'm not sure that the red prostitute could win 1v1. Prickett or Node can kill Red in one fucking hit. For example: Node can banish Cthulhu's daughter with a snap of her fingers.
>>3902660>There are many people who don't like Red. There's nothing wrong with that.I didn't say there was something wrong with that. To each their own.>So you're saying that the red prostitute is stronger than Prickett or Node?I'm not even partaking in whatever argument bro.I'm justy saying that instead of writing an almost 600 characters long post you could have said "Red sucks", lmao.>Did you even read my postsAfter the red prostitute part? Nah.>did you just get angryI legit don't care about this argument brother.But you seem to be invested on it for sure lmaoo.>someone said something bad about your favorite character?Uhhhhh... nah.You guys didn't talk about Mabel.Or Lindamea.Or Hein.I guess you missed the point.Just read above, I basically said it straight up.You'll waste less time for you and everyone else if you just keep your usual piece nice and short.Anyway good luck Anon, kek.
>>3902679>After the red prostitute part? Nah.Are you a retard? How can you accuse me of not being objective when you haven't read shit and don't know what we're even arguing about?>I guess you missed the point.I don't get your point. If I don't like a certain character, does that mean I can't argue with someone about a topic involving that character, or what? Again, you don't even know what we were arguing about.
>>3902677Red literally defies Mary's power in BS1 and survives her bad ending
>>3902679Mabel acted like a drunk whore, it was disgusting when she was lying drunk
>>3902712>defiesshe just avoided it
>>3902712>Red literally defies Mary's power in BS1 and survives her bad endingLeaf didn't kill Red because she didn't stay with Grimm. In ending C, you can clearly see how Leaf wipes out all the heroines in a second, including the red prostitute.
>>3902720Wrong.
>>3902478>Holy shit LMAO, you're so fucking retarded.As opposed to your enlightened self ignoring what's said and shown in the game? I swear if you're the same motherfucker from the last few threads that's gotten damn near everything else about the game wrong while trying to lorefag, I'm going to tell you to kill yourself.>Or after GG dies. Node and Prickett, together with Grimm, could just fucking kill TCO.G's fight against TCO works because the garden is still intact and isn't in the middle of rapidly falling apart, Once TCO is killed, the garden starts to rapidly collapse and escape becomes the top priority, GG is still around in this ending and it's specifically Grimm's soul bond to it that draws him back into another Wonderland timeline once he's outside of it.H's fight against GG works much for the same reason, post-fight the garden is once again rapidly falling apart and escape is again the top priority, TCO still exists in this timeline and tries to keep Grimm in Wonderland for their never-ending love play until Prickett manages to take control long enough for Grimm to escape.BS1's garden wasn't destroyed when you fight Shub either, it's still holding together well enough to keep TCO out for the fight and Mary's still alive.Prickett is already merged with TCO in G/H and rarely takes over during G's fight/in H. Node calls herself your support in G, and based on what she says about being soul bound to the Library Dream during the game, seems to be unable to fight TCO due to flat out not being able to reach her much like how Grimm is unable to truly leave Wonderland prior to H due to his soul bond to GG. H works for her because it's the same area that's used as the central hub in the base game, as the exit leading to the Nightmare fight/TCO in G, and as GG's room in H. The garden exit is actually in the same location in all of these routes, just at different garden states and timelines.
>>3902720>In ending C, you can clearly see how Leaf wipes out all the heroines in a second, including the red prostitute.That's a D event, and Red isn't splatted there. The heroines show up after killing Mary in C, but there's no splat.
>>3902498> and Cheshire's scene after it confirming you're still trapped was only added in DLC3.As the others noted, it was still there in DLC 2.>The reason the three queens don't just kill TCO (aside from Prickett being part of it) is that they know it would be useless, because GG is still there and they're all somewhat bound to it.Actually, according to Mabel, Grimm returning to Wonderland at all post-G thanks to GG was unexpected. H's plan seems to have been cooked up after G's failure.>Grimm's special relationship with GG is possibly what makes him the only one actually capable of defeating it, and without defeating GG nothing can stop the cycles.I don't think that Grimm's the only one that's capable of defeating it in theory, I think anyone with no connection to it at all could probably do the same thing, like a non-Alice TCO could probably manage killing it.>But with GG gone, TCO is reduced to a mass of Alicae from which Grimm can eventually be pulled out without it chasing back any more, because playing the role so long has made it that weak.No, I'm sure that TCO will still chase after Grimm the moment it gets the chance to, thing is that it's probably never going to actually get the chance to after Grimm is out since Mabel's going to try to keep it trapped in Shatranj.
>>3902728Why did you censor your name? > I swear if you're the same motherfucker from the last few threadsWell you're wrong, it's not me. I've been posting in these threads for 3 years now.>Once TCO is killedHe is not. It's his fucking garden and he's the fucking Outer God. Grimm and the red prostitute killed a pile of about 20-30 Alices. We saw the real body of TCO in the G bad ending. He's literally a planet made out of bodies, not a fucking little pile of shit you fight in the G ending. The garden is falling apart more likely because TCO has completely lost his mind and any sense of control.>G's fight against TCO works because the garden is still intact and isn't in the middle of rapidly falling apart, Once TCO is killed, the garden starts to rapidly collapse and escape becomes the top priority, GG is still around in this ending and it's specifically Grimm's soul bond to it that draws him back into anotherWhy did you write all this? I was talking about the H ending in this point, not G. >H's fight against GG works much for the same reason, post-fight the garden is once again rapidly falling apart and escape is again the top priority, TCO still exists in this timeline and tries to keep Grimm in Wonderland for their never-ending love play until Prickett manages to take control long enough for Grimm to escapeI will repeat myself. Prickett, Node, and Grimm by your logic could easily kill TCO together after GG died, this team is much stronger than Red + Grimm, and then safely get out ALIVE together. But wait, why doesn't this happen? Why did the Outer Gods decide it was better to try to escape than to try to fight TCO together? Why were they so unsure that they would win? When a fucking red whore + Grimm can kill TCO, as you say. Hmmm, isn't it fucking weird?>>3902739So you're seriously telling me that a red prostitute with the ability to enter and leave gardens can defeat a god in her own garden? Is that right?
>>3902570Cute Leaf!>>3902616So do you think she'd hate it if you loved her? No sex, definitely no choking or punching, just running your fingers through her hair, holding hands, cuddling... Like the opposite of her ending in BS2, but you spend 200 years or however long they said it was not putting your dick or fists anywhere near her.
>>3902499>"Double role" letting them continue acting is just trying to reconcile a (wrong) conclusion you came to with what the game shows.No, it's the correct conclusion, EMMM just handles the entire subject poorly in my opinion. You've got the Alices in E using Nightmare related moves, you have the scene where you first meet Jabber/her pre-DLC 3 hinting at it, the Nightmare soul descriptions themselves mentioning their duality, and again you have the souls of the three Nightmares shown piloting their Alice vessels in H. It is always and only them playing the roles of Mother, Daughter, and Younger Sister whenever we see them, TCO doesn't even cover for the role of the missing Alice actor during the game because they're too fucking caught up on their own Alice role. The death of the Nightmare vessels specifically does not mean that the actors playing them are dead for good, their souls have two roles, two suitable vessels to reside in for the play, and even the destruction of one of them does not preclude the soul from using the other vessel. Souls do not disappear even with the destruction of the vessel, and souls can have more than one suitable vessel to reside inside in the series, hence the merge ending where you have your soul reside in GG's vessel.>Taking stupid (human) characters' knowledge as absolute truth is an astounding lack of media comprehension.Refusing to acknowledge what the game puts in front of you and substituting it with baseless skepticism is even worse.>She is proven wrong right after, see above.No, she isn't. TCO never plays the roles of Mother, Daughter, and Younger Sister anywhere in the game, yet you're claiming it somehow is here specifically despite everything else in the game being the Nightmares playing those roles, from start to finish, past and present, because you can't wrap your head around them having two roles in the play. It's the fucking Nightmares, end of story.
>>3902813>their souls have two roles, two suitable vessels to reside in for the play, and even the destruction of one of them does not preclude the soul from using the other vesselNTA but, they die not only physically, but their souls also cannot withstand the damage. And by the way, why do you think TCO can't just take control of the empty vessels? He always watched others play and knows how to play these roles. The idea that TCO just took control sounds way more logical.
>>3902767>The garden is falling apart more likely because TCO has completely lost his mind and any sense of control.There is absolutely nothing supporting this claim in the game. Sometimes taking what is plainly stated at face value is the correct thing to do, instead of resorting to unsupported nonsense. TCO can keep their garden running long after they've been completely lost in the role of Alice, mind and soul, I seriously don't know how you're even getting to that conclusion. Even in the merge ending TCO is only attacking their own garden in a rage, their garden did not collapse entirely. >Prickett, Node, and Grimm by your logic could easily kill TCO together after GG diedTheoretically? Sure, but that never happens. Their main goal is to get Grimm the fuck out of Wonderland, that has always been their main priority, killing TCO is not. Garden collapses seem to seem to be another good reason to get the fuck out of dodge before you're caught in its collapse, Grimm doesn't have the time for another full fight with TCO when everything is collapsing around him, he needs to get the fuck back out to reality first and foremost.>this team is much stronger than Red + Grimm, and then safely get out ALIVE togetherLike it or not, EMMM says Red is a very strong character in one of his interviews, which makes sense because she's basically proto-Grimm.https://ch.dlsite.com/matome/91660町民「戦闘力に関して アリスの首にいいのを喰らわせてたけど結構高いのかな!」Townspeople: "Regarding combat power, he hit Alice in the neck with a good one, so I guess it's pretty high!"リィフ「戦闘面でも精神力の面でもかなり強いらしいねっ」Leaf: "It seems you're quite strong, both in combat and mental strength."Red isn't just some jobber in-universe, even if she pales in comparison to Grimm.>>3902828Jabber's going directly against multiple stated instances of the opposite in-universe, hence Azathoth's awakening. Souls do not get destroyed on the death of the vessel.
>>3902832>character limitAnd by can't sustain the soul, she's referring to the Jabberwock vessel here. Souls leave their vessels when their vessels are destroyed, if the vessel cannot support the soul anymore the vessel fails and the soul inside leaves. Grimm's upcoming vessel failure due to the load of souls is also similar to this.>And by the way, why do you think TCO can't just take control of the empty vessels?Because they're not empty. They're still acting according to their roles, the same roles they've been playing for the entirety of the play.>The idea that TCO just took control sounds way more logical.Do you really think that we wouldn't get the same black goo that we see with Second Daughter or Dormouse if TCO wasn't either in control or influencing them, especially given what just fucking happened to TCO?
>>3902767>So you're seriously telling me that a red prostitute with the ability to enter and leave gardens can defeat a god in her own garden? Is that right?I'm saying that a white woman with her dog and one of the strongest motherfuckers in the universe can kill a weakened tranny completely lost in their own delusions. Red didn't even enter Wonderland on her own, it's was Node's doing, Red's main ability as far as we've seen is fucking mirror traversal.
>>3902832>There is absolutely nothing supporting this claim in the game. Sometimes taking what is plainly stated at face value is the correct thing to do, instead of resorting to unsupported nonsenseLMAO ironic. The game doesn't explicitly state that TCO is dead too, but you still cling to that idea until the very end. And by the way, why did you ignore the point about the size of TCO's true body and the little pile that we're fighting in the G end? It's not so easy to kill an outer god when he's in his fucking garden.>Their main goal is to get Grimm the fuck out of Wonderland, that has always been their main priority, killing TCO is notI'm sometimes amazed at how retarded you are. Killing TCO is a safer choice for everyone. Including Grimm. Sending Grimm alone when TCO is chasing him is a very desperate decision. Why don't they believe in their victory? How could Red and Grimm kill TCO (they didn't), but Prickett and Node + Grimm can't? >Red isn't just some jobber in-universe, even if she pales in comparison to GrimmMy point still stands. Node and Prickett are still much stronger than her. No matter how powerful she may be, the red prostitute is still no match for the Outer Gods. In the next game, she will be raped by ordinary thugs in the human world.>Souls do not get destroyed on the death of the vessel.Yeah, they just fly around in cosmos. They cannot think or act without a vessel.>>3902839>I'm saying that a white woman with her dog and one of the strongest motherfuckers in the universe can kill a weakened tranny completely lost in their own delusionsRedcuck cope. She couldn't even kill Leaf, and she's one rank below TCO.
>power wanking for a RPG Maker porn game featuring Lovecraftian eldritch beings
I've been watching the back and forth and would like to offer my interpretation on the whole shebang. I believe that TCO was indeed killed, but it revived through GG looping the world. TCO became weaker and became lesser as a whole because it larped too hard and fell into the roll of Alice. This is getting more into theory, but I believe how EMMM writes Outer Gods and the like is that they're just souls wandering around the void and they leave their original godly body to take over another body that can be as weak as they like for the sake of a certain role.This means that TCO was weaker and was capable of being killed by the trio of Grimm, Red Hood and Poro, but GG, a being that was of a higher rank than TCO because TCO lowered itself, was able to revive it with the loops.
>>3902846We're actually arguing about whether TCO died in the G ending or not. And could Red and Grimm have killed TCO? If TCO was really killed by Red and Grimm, then why didn't Node and Prickett, together with Grimm, simply kill TCO when GG died? That would be a safer and better option for everyone.
>power wanking for a RPG Maker porn game featuring sexy little girlsWho gets the most cum out of Grimm is the most powerful.
>>3902848I think the answer is simpler. EMMM didn't think it through. He just wanted to wank his favorite mary sue character - Red Hood.
>>3902849It could be as simple as Grimm was tired from fighting GG.
>>3902851Red whore will lose because she is already full of dog cum. Grimm's cum just won't fit.
>>3902849>If TCO was really killed by Red and Grimm, then why didn't Node and Prickett, together with Grimm, simply kill TCO when GG died? Maybe because in ending G TCO got "weakened" by Grimm recognizing him and refusing to choose the Alice? In GG's ending TCO is angry instead, not weakened. No idea.I think they killed it because his rape dimension was collapsing (rather than GG's ending where they're escaping but from TCO not from the garden blowing up).
>>3902853EMMM put so much thought into many aspects of his game that I think it's silly to just say he was simply trying to wank a character he loves. His favorite character is one of the birds anyway.
>>3902855>Grimm was tired from fighting GG.Just drink some estus and cast a couple of spells.
>>3902858Is EMMM actually marrying his real life sister?
>>3902858>His favorite character is one of the birds anyway.Sure. Is that why he's been making a game about Red whore for 5, almost 6 fucking years?
>>3902866Irrelevant.
>>3902857>In GG's ending TCO is angry If TCO was angry, we would have understood this from the very beginning of the cycle, as things would have been different. He would probably destroy half of his garden in autistic rage.
>>3902854Dessert Rose!
>>3902867What about his very first game? Who was the main character there?
Guys you're all stupid. Node spells it out when she haircuts. With GG dead all of them actually risk dying now. They send Grimm away because they refuse to take any chances. Their priority is saving their husbando, nothing else.
>>3902871He made two games with Grimm. Does that mean his favorite character is Grimm? You're hyperfocusing on irrelevant details and using it to spin an overly biased narrative. This doesn't help your theorizing.
>>3902869Isn't TCO affected by GG?
I started Black Souls 2 not long ago, unlike 1 I'm not really enjoying it. Feels like I'm just stumbling from place to place until the enemies of an area kick my ass, then go back and repeat. I see the torches in the library lighting up (which I know means progression) but I barely find bosses, and the ones I find seem like they're placed in areas I shouldn't be yet. Doesn't feel like there's a way to progress at all.
>>3902876You may have skipped some areas.During my first playthrough I missed a early level zone completely and when I found it I was giga leveled and destroyed everyone.
Actually Toro said his favourite is Bill.>>3902748>Cheshire DLC2 is where GG is introduced so effectively it's the same.
>>3902876This is the intended experience and will make sense in time.
>>3902844>The game doesn't explicitly state that TCO is dead tooYes, it does, you're just ignoring it because it comes from a character you don't like.>And by the way, why did you ignore the point about the size of TCO's true body and the little pile that we're fighting in the G end?Because it's not really the gotcha you think it is. Remember how that flesh pit comes about? A garden collapse, followed by the dream apparently ending, and then everyone and everything still inside the garden getting Tang'd up into becoming part of TCO. Even if we were to take the wild assumption that the entire world is made of Alice (TCO) the entire time, that world supposedly made of TCO is still falling apart and getting destroyed after TCO's death in G.>Killing TCO is a safer choice for everyone.Killing TCO is a means, not an end. G was their shot at trying to kill two birds with one stone this is the suicide by Grimm Prickett alludes to in the base game, but that didn't work out.>Why don't they believe in their victory?The fucking garden is collapsing dude. They are on a strict time limit, failing to escape leads to what we see when we lose to TCO in G and in the flesh hell in H. If Prickett didn't manage to take control over the rest of TCO in H and get Grimm out of his suicidal depression, that'd be fucking it. No escape for Grimm, no future for the universe.>Node and Prickett are still much stronger than her.They are also completely unavailable to help.>No matter how powerful she may be, the red prostitute is still no match for the Outer Gods.The game paints a very different picture. Hell, I even tried killing myself to get the screencap and Red and Poro managed to beat the entire first phase of TCO's fight.>Yeah, they just fly around in cosmos.They also don't just spawn there instantly. I don't know why you're so insistent on ignoring what the game shows on this point.
>>3902874If the red whore hadn't been the writer's pet, she would have died in BS 1 like all the other heroines.>>3902875Yes, but he can remember what happened in previous cycles. Probably.
>>3902886>They are also completely unavailable to help.Correcting myself a bit, Prickett is "helping" during the actual TCO fight by taking control over it sometimes, but that's it from her. Node is completely AWOL, probably stuck in the cuck chair in the remains of the hub area due to her soul being bound there.
>>3902887Actually Poro came first therefore Grimm cucked him, not the other way around.
>>3902888Node is on standby to save your ass if you lose at any point by rewinding time.
Daily reminder that Mary is the only one who's actually good at making gardens and writing stories.
Is Grimm x Dodo selfcest?
>>3902886>it does, you're just ignoring it because it comes from a character you don't like.Do you think Red is never wrong or something? She told Grimm that he didn't kill anyone in that scene at the hotel. She doesn't even know the truth about cycles. How could she know the biology of the Outer God and whether it can be killed that easily?>Even if we were to take the wild assumption that the entire world is made of Alice (TCO) the entire timeAnon... This is not an assumption, it's a fact. Have you ever wondered how TCO keeps track of everything in Wonderland? Or why the walls have fucking eyes at low SEN?>that world supposedly made of TCO is still falling apart and getting destroyed after TCO's death in GThe garden is collapsing because TCO is very, very angry. Or TCO is trying to awaken more and more bodies to stop your escape. You saw for yourself that in the bad ending, the garden collapsed, but TCO was still alive.>Killing TCO is a means, not an end.It is. If you kill him after GG. Which is exactly what I'm talking about.>The fucking garden is collapsing dudeI think the fight would have been quick, as you say, Grimm and Red killed TCO. Prickett and Node together with Grimm would have dealt with TCO much faster than Red and Grimm.>They are also completely unavailable to help.They can Grimm you after GG dies>The game paints a very different pictureWhat? The whole game, Red is led along the path laid out for her. She wouldn't even have been able to get to Wonderland if it weren't for Node. Red couldn't even beat Leaf, and she's not even an Outer God.>They also don't just spawn there instantlyThey also do not instantly possess some empty vessels. Stop pulling shit out of your ass.>>3902891Grimm lived with Poro and Red for a couple of months. Poor guy. Imagine hearing her moan when she gets fucked by a dog every day. And when it's your turn to fuck her, she's dead as a fucking fish. Grimm can't even kill himself to escape this humiliation ritual.
Grimm x Red Hood = Off-screen pregancy= secret true end of DRH and a happy ending to BS series
>>3902920>Red>pregancyYou are not the father
>>3902920Silly anon, the pregnancy will be in the side game that's set between the two Hs.
>>3902920You can't impregnate a corpse.
>>3902918>Have you ever wondered how TCO keeps track of everything in Wonderland? Or why the walls have fucking eyes at low SEN?Fuck. That's creepy.
>>3902913You x Dodo would be selfcest
>>3901010Missclick.
>>3902939Unis wife (she doesn't consent)
>>3902968
>>3902938I mean originally the Dodo represents Lewis.
>>3902980That reminded me, the White Knight is his other self-insert, and it's the form we see him appear as in ending G and it's probably how he looked at during the tea party.
>>3902987Was Tea Party human just Lewis or already (proto)Grimm though? Because Mary picks up Lewis first while TCO gets Alice, so presumably he only stole him after she'd already tinkered with him.
>>3902971Very happy Unis (even though she doesn't consent)
>>3902997TCO got Lewis then went for Alice after that
>>3903004Do we know this though? Mary gets Lewis right after he ran back home following his mental breakdown from seeing older Alice, and I think the implication of Alice thinking about Lewis in the relevant memory is that TCO gets her later that same night.
Why is she like this?
>>3903024This unironically all traces back to being Mary's fault.
So, is Prayer Master talking about the real Alice, or TCO (Prickett)?
>>3903113At what point?
Shame that you couldnt kept Blackwell mail in next cycleI want to get the mail and sent her to sex dungeon
>>3903114During the time where he make a wish
>>3903117He's jealous about TCO (Prickett) and wants to pray to TCO (TCO) but uses a generic "God" since he didn't know about the audience
>>3902897>Daily reminder that Mary is the only one who's actually good at making gardensI don't think so. In my opinion, Node has the most beautiful garden.
The Red hate is FORCED.
>>3902918>She told Grimm that he didn't kill anyone in that scene at the hotel. She doesn't even know the truth about cycles. How could she know the biology of the Outer God and whether it can be killed that easily?Lack of knowledge about one topic does not mean a lack of knowledge about something else entirely. From her perspective she is telling the complete truth. Grimm, in the timeline she comes from, never used the Hotel. Grimm cycling and killing his lovers in other timelines doesn't make what Red says wrong, it makes it incomplete regarding Grimm, but not herself. If you're going to complain about her not knowing everything, fucking nobody has complete information in this series, even the motherfucker that should have it (Mabel) still had to do shit like puzzle out why G didn't work the way they expected it to after it happened, though I suppose she's a good example of how even the top niggermen aren't completely knowledgeable about the cycles and timelines as a result.Also, if we're talking about how she could have learned about niggerman biology, we know that Mabel is supposed to show up in DRH and Node supposedly saved Red at some point in time prior to her entering Wonderland, both of them would be ideal candidates to give her more information on that, among other things. I'm also pretty sure that Jabber has Red's snowman in her little rape dungeon for a good reason too, given Jabber's statement about giving out bits of knowledge in order to better blacken souls with sin.>Have you ever wondered how TCO keeps track of everything in Wonderland? Or why the walls have fucking eyes at low SEN?Yeah, and I chalked it up to the floating eyes from TCO you can fight and see damn near everywhere. Why the hell would TCO even need or use them if it is already everything and everywhere, and can see everything Grimm does in Wonderland because of that?
>>3903195>The garden is collapsing because TCO is very, very angry. Or TCO is trying to awaken more and more bodies to stop your escape.It's rapidly collapsing because TCO is dead, like the game tells you after the fight. For anger, look at the merge ending. TCO is explicitly referred to by Node as attacking Wonderland in a mad fury, by your argument that would be a great time for the garden to collapse, but Wonderland still exists as a garden at this point even in spite of that. If it didn't collapse because of TCO getting very, very pissy in that case, then I struggle to believe that G would be much different. I don't see how the bodies claim adds up at all. You've got the souls of the Nightmares in their already existing Alice vessels and IRL Alice's soul in the white space, but absolutely nothing else that's Alice related or Alice shaped on the way out, it's just a rapidly disintegrating garden from a dead Creator. The flesh pit had a full collapse with TCO still alive before everything got sucked up into it.>You saw for yourself that in the bad ending, the garden collapsed, but TCO was still alive.Wonderland collapsing doesn't mean that TCO dies, it's a one way relationship. Niggermen already expect that the gardens they create will collapse eventually, why would they die because of it?>If you kill him after GG. Which is exactly what I'm talking about.The issue is that there is no fucking time for a fight with TCO after killing GG, even for what would very likely be a quick one at that point. Grimm barely makes it to the cliffside during a rapid garden collapse before TCO catches up to him, and that's with minimal interruption on the way there for Grimm, and Node and Cheshire trying to hold back TCO. Killing TCO in G works because there is actually time to fight it, if killing GG didn't destabilize the entire fucking garden then there'd be a very good argument for killing off TCO afterwards.
>>3903196>They can Grimm you after GG diesWhat? If you're talking about what Node and Prickett do in H, like I said Node gets a pass because it's the same location that she's soul bound to (or at least, is soul bound to it by the time we actually start the game), but if she's as stuck to that general area as she seems to be, then once you're outside of it then she can't really help directly. Prickett helps in H by taking control over the rest of TCO long enough to get him out, but taking control has always been a struggle for her to do due to the souls that make up TCO all fighting for control a la Grimm's situation with his souls, it's not something that should really be relied on, even if it worked out in H.>The whole game, Red is led along the path laid out for her.Ok, and? So is Grimm. That doesn't make what he does any less noteworthy, even if he didn't come up with the plan he's following for the entire game. Having DRH in our hands would make it a lot easier to see what all Red fought leading up to her entering the garden, but it clearly wasn't a free pass based on what we have seen of it so far.>Red couldn't even beat Leaf, and she's not even an Outer God.I'm not sure where you're even getting this from, F/G? In both cases Grimm's there. It sure isn't BS1, she's unavailable to summon against Mary Sue in C for obvious reasons, and Mary's never even fought in D or any of the other endings. Hell, Leaf was never even a target of Red's to begin with, it's why she left the garden in her personal ending, trying to find the mastermind behind everything (TCO).>They also do not instantly possess some empty vessels. There's a notable time gap between the Nightmare fight and them chasing you after killing TCO. You can argue it's a short amount of time, but it's absolutely not instant if that's actually your hangup here.
>>3903194So true redsister
>>3903195>>3903196>>3903200>It's rapidly collapsing because TCO is dead, like the game tells you afterIt's not the game talking, but the character. Her judgments may be incorrect.>Lack of knowledge about one topic does not mean a lack of knowledge about something else entirely.This shows how little she knows. All she knows is that there is some kind of master mind and he is a bad guy. I wouldn't trust the judgment of that dumb whore.>we know that Mabel is supposed to show up in DRH and Node supposedly saved Red at some point in time prior to her entering Wonderland, both of them would be ideal candidates to give her more information on that, among other things.Headcanon. The game doesn't say that Node or Mabel taught her anything. Maybe we'll find out more in the next game. We can argue endlessly about this point, we don't have enough information.>Wonderland collapsing doesn't mean that TCO diesYeah, I know, that's what happened in the G end.>The issue is that there is no fucking time for a fight with TCO after killing GGOh, come on, Nodens in the BS universe has the time manipulation abilities. I'm sure she can stop time for a small area so they can safely kill TCO, together with Prickett and Grimm.>Grimm barely makes it to the cliffside during a rapid garden collapse before TCO catches up to himThat's because TCO has billions of bodies, and while Nodens is fighting half of them, the rest are free to pursue Grimm. That's why it's so damn hard to kill him, because you have to destroy all of his bodies, a planet-sized pile of them.>I'm not sure where you're even getting this fromThat's called common sense, my retarded redcuck friend. In BS 2, Red whore can't even defeat a weakened Leaf who is not in her own garden. You can see it for yourself. Just start the battle with Leaf in the G end, and let the red whore do all the work on her own. If she can't defeat a weakened Leaf, what the fuck can she do against the Outer Gods?
>>3903255Ironic how each and every one of your criticisms applies to you.
If TCO was actually listening to everything at all times, and Prickett and Node of all people should be aware of how it work, it would be absolutely retarded of them to get halfway through a conversation and then stop because he's listening.
>>3903255>It's not the game talking, but the character.The character in the fucking game, you mean? If you're looking for some omniscient narrator to read off what just happened to the audience, this isn't the series for that, the characters and what they say are what you're going to get instead. Look, if you don't want to believe what the game puts forth in plain text, that's all on you, but don't say that it's never fucking stated when it plainly is.>This shows how little she knows.She doesn't know about something that she literally has no way to perceive and thus has no way of knowing about on her own, something that only a very few select people in-universe as of now would even have a way of knowing about it, let alone understanding how it all works in the first place, and even for the majority of them, their understanding of it is shown to be incomplete at best. Sucks to be her I guess. It still doesn't mean that a lack of knowledge in one very narrow and specific area has any relevance to whatever knowledge she might have in another, unrelated one.>The game doesn't say that Node or Mabel taught her anything.You asked for how could she know, and you got how she could know, by people we know she's scheduled to interact with in that game, who would know about that specific topic well, and who would have a very good motive to inform her about it and whatever else given that she's used in their plans. We don't know for certain that that's how it happened, we won't be able to know for certain until DRH releases sometime after the heat death of the universe, but COULD is the operative word here, and you got it.>I'm sure she can stop time for a small area so they can safely kill TCO, together with Prickett and Grimm.I think if that was something that she could do there, she would have. The only reason I could see why she wouldn't if she was somehow capable of it is forcibly induced retardation from Mary's curse forcing bad ends on everyone.
>>3903277This.
>>3903275I would say it works both ways. They're both idiots.
>>3903255>>3903278Can you faggots shut the fuck up? The thread is full with walls of text from both of you.
>>3903301>bitching about walls of text in a BS threadWhere do you think you are? The biggest issue here is the lack of spoiler tags, not the walls of text.
>>3903255>In BS 2, Red whore can't even defeat a weakened Leaf who is not in her own garden. You can see it for yourself. Just start the battle with Leaf in the G end, and let the red whore do all the work on her ownWhat Red gets for not speedmaxxing and fighting an Evasion build without high base accuracy, she fares better at high Difficulty but you'd have to rely on her AI spamming Crimson Tragedy like it fucking should, or somehow landing Asphyxiation Bubble's Fear via King's Order (or just luckshitting), all with some Requiem tossed in for her to have a real consistent chance instead of relentlessly spamming fucking moves that keep missing. God, the AI is retarded in BS. Red actually fares a lot better against TCO proper, Leaf's first phase build hard counters Red's build specifically, but it should be doable if Red gets the right string of King's Order into Crimson Tragedy spam, but like hell am I going to reset for that. Second phase drops the Evasion gimmick which helps Red a lot, it's much easier and much less luck reliant for her to deal with than the first is, even if it ends up just being her whittling down, about the only thing I've seen in this phase that can actually kill her is her attacking into the magic reflect like a retard.
>>3903304BS3 needs to give you back full party control or unretard the AI.
>>3903323Only one ending per cycle, yes. Looping is canon and a relevant part of the narrative. It's also very quick once you're familiar with the game; even without optimising it easily takes just half an hour from the start of a cycle to opening the door once you know what you're doing.
My beautiful busty wife Jubjub will be back in BS3, right?
>>3903326Yes, and she'll be wearing this.
>>3903327Please yes.
>>3903317I'll never read it due to the cancelled sequel, but I want to believe this is real.
>>3903327She's so cute
Guys, why does the Crawling Little Girls keep fucking one-shotting me in the second phase? I'm almost 500 level, is this fucking not enough?
>>3903663>I'm almost 500 level>is this fucking not enough?No. And when you reach level 999 it still wont be enough.
Does anybody know about that one artist who made gijinka versions of the Blacks Souls enemies, I remember seeing it a while ago but I can't find them anywhere
>>3903663>I'm almost 500 level, is this fucking not enough?Levels mean almost nothing in the grand scheme of things, don't measure your power with them. Stats matter a lot more than levels, and even then they still don't actually mean all that much at the very endgame.
>>3903668There's NO way it's a skill issue. Like it kills me with two blows at most even if I use Grit and heal out. >>3903681What do then. I'm tired.
>>3903739>What do then.If you're struggling with fights in BS2, odds are you're gearing and/or buffing like shit. If you haven't yet, get your Speed stat to 1k+ and try to keep it above that threshold if possible, shit will go much more smoothly overall.>There's NO way it's a skill issue.Full SL1 runs without using colored souls exist for a damn good reason.
>>3903739>There's NO way it's a skill issue.The old king and every boss in dlc3 is a skill check. Like the other guy said change your gear and invest in colored souls, also don't forget to use items.
>>3903739Learn 2 buff Learn 2 guardLearn 2 weaponswapLearn 2 manage equipment and covenantsGrit is useless against multihits, Soul Shield + Guard is a much better alternative. Healing to full each turn is free. Buffing turn one with Knight's Pride and two omniblesses is perfectly doable and then you just refresh those buffs when needed.
>>3903775
>>3903779This is where the knot goes.
>>3903334>but I want to believe this is real.It is, Mahoyo/Alice has many references to Lewis Carroll and nursery rhymes
>>3903775Why the choice of velvet matter on Leaf's one-piece, though?
>>3903739>There's NO way it's a skill issue.It can be done at SL1 and you're SL500.I'll let you figure out the answer.
>>3903739>>3903815https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygu_N7LM6v0
>>3903739>using grit on a multi-hit attack
>>3903805>All the King's HorsesAlso a good song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l0t38g_MFU
>>3903851>Shadowmoon BladeOf course, only a SINNER would have a framed portrait of Leaf.
>>3903806I think retro Playboy bunny leotards were originally made from velvet. I could be wrong. They're usually smooth satin now, which can range from silk to cotton (or rayon) to plastic (nylon and polyester) depending on how much your budget allows.Velvet and satin are just types of fabric weaves, the actual materials used vary.Velveteen (rougher velvet) actually has some interesting symbolism that could be relevant to the scholars of this thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Velveteen_Rabbit
>>3903950Interesting. That word always stood out to me in:>Inside the carriage, which is built on several levels, he sits in velveteen darkness, with nothing to smoke, feeling metal nearer and farther rub and connect, steam escaping in puffs, a vibration in the carriage's frame, a poising, an uneasiness
why is TCO like to watch and build an entire garden for her to watch other fuck grimm like isn't it obsess over grimm why is never do it itself
>>3904076The idea of Alice will keep Grimm going forever, if he catches her, everyone loses
>>3902846>Lovecraftian eldritch beings...are weaker than the Abrahamic God.
Shitty pretentious zoomer game for trannies.
>>3904102Most but not all
>>3904106Cope. Prime Mover > Infinite Regress
>>3904102>power wanking with G-dThat's even more retarded.
>>3904113>G-dSpelling God as G-d is even more retarded.
>>3904108That's just Azathoth
>>3904135But Azathoth has no will of his own.
>>3904151Being asleep has nothing to do with power scaling
>>3904102Holy trvke.
>>3904158It's an essential difference, insofar one entity operates solely off of their subconscious, and the other is completely cognizant and fully aware at all times. An omnipotent dreamer isn't choosing the nature of their own dreams here, they just happen.
>>3904191Literally doesn't matter for powerscaling
Anybody know the source of this?
>>3904231Bnnyu!
>>3904217https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/124964635
>>3904102Obviously. Azathoth, Yog-Sothtoth-, and Nyarlathotep are all just "God but weaker".
So, it's my second run and I just arrived to the ship graveyard and the deep sea. What do I do to not fucking suck? Farm in the chaos dungeon?
>>3904231Node needs to stop making bunnies with Grimm
>>3904265Git gud. Also skip the common enemies there.
>>3904265The regular mobs can be ignored. You just need to properly build for the big fucking fish in the graveyard and the other boss in the deep sea. Max evasion and put on the jabberwock scythe. If you want to fight the fish, then you need a lot of health.
Why is that fucking fish stronger than 99% of the game including some DLC content, anyway?
>>3904272It's Dagon
>>3904272Because it's an environmental puzzle built around avoiding the fight and if you could just easily power through it that would ruin the point.
Last time I visited your general you fags told me BS3 is just 2-3 months away from release.That was five years ago.
>>3904288BS3 is a decade away from release.
>>3904325In decade we will see just DRH though anon
>>3904231Node needs to never stop making bunnies with Grimm
>>3904327>10 years of wait to see Red getting knotted in 50 different ways
Does someone have that meme image where a conversation slowly gets filled with censored black bars when Black Souls is involved?
>>3904346
>>3904365Uohhhh
>>39032423dpd trannies fucking ruin the perfection that is 2d only
>>3904365This happens because 90% of other games don't have a story worth experiencing blind.
>>3904192It does matter, because intention supersedes ignorance. This is a concrete, quantifiable feat in favor of Capital G God.
>>3904434Christian God has jack shit as far as good feats go. He has a bunch of wanked statements and then >And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.This is your supposedly omnipotent deity.
>>3904437I'm only comparing what they represent conceptually. Azathoth is God without the qualities of Yog-Sothoth and vice versa, if I had to compare. Do you necessarily disagree with this claim that a blind watchmaker deity is arguably less potent than one that is eternally present in past, present, and future?
>>3904437Eru Illuvatar (literally God) is a tier 0 on that one powerscaling website.
>>3904450VSBattlesWiki is the laughing stock of all battleboarding for a reason.
>>3904449Conceptually God represents the creator of a planet sized universe in which the stars are mere decorations and planets are tiny objects that revolve around the Earth. Any subsequent interpretation of him actually creating the whole universe as we understand it now is a baseless retcon.
>>3904457Cope.
>>3904461>my God is actually totally omnipotent guys. He totally didn't lie and not tell us about the rest of the universe so he could pretend he's a big deal. Humanity is totally the most special race in all of creation
>>3904455CHAD of the Rings stomps the Chuuni Souls series
>>3904466>Humanity is totally the most special race in all of creationName 1 (one) species that has crafted civilization.
>>3904468Well maybe if God hadn't been such a bitch and hidden the truth from us we would have actually met them by now. But he just had to go and convince humanity he was special.
>>3904469>But he just had to go and convince humanity he was special.Except that the west has always had a strong chauvinistic culture, whereas you get India when you reject the anthropomorphic principle.
God is, by definition, the absolute strongest thing that could be thought of. This is theology 101, anons.
>>3904471>the absolute strongest thing that could be thought ofWhat if I'm polytheist?
>>3904473That literally has nothing to do with anything, anon.There is a difference between GOD and gods. Even the ancient Greeks and Romans knew this.
>>3904471Yeah, but nowhere does it say the Bible dude mist be the real true God. That's how stuff like the Gospel of Judas even exists, even if it's fanfiction.
>>3904477Why bring up the Gospel of Judas at all if you're already admitting it's just nonsense? Pretty much every Gnostic (and other stuff like it) text is complete dribble if you actually read it.
>>3904479Because there's no proof that Bible God = true God.
>>3904480If we're just looking at the Bible, it states that God created everything that exists, which is something that only the true God could claim
>>3904482>it states that God created everything that existsOn Earth.
>>3904484He created the sun and the stars, though
>>3904486The author's understanding of which was significantly different from our own.
>>3904487The creation account is meant to represent God creating everything, regardless of the limits of the author and the audience at the time. There are ideas that don't change with the passage of time, like the proper definition of God.
>>3904488Cope
It's her birthday today.
>>3904288>Last time I visited your general you fags told me BS3 is just 2-3 months away from release.You got prank'd.Dead Red Hood is the next game, it's a side game and it's still not out. It's been worked on for the past 5 or 6 years.Then we'll get another side game protagonized by the 5 princesses from BS1.AND THEN, presumably, BS3 will start to be worked on.You won't see it before 2030.
>>3904497Jannu love!
Today I learned that showing Bill's pass or killing Lorina's soldiers at the entrance of the Garden of Hearts gives you a progress point.
So is that one Alice vtuber a tranny or an actual girl?
>>3904625>actual female >playing BSEither Cosplaywhore, or tranny
>>3904627Does Tenma fall in the former category?
>>3904716>VTuber100% Male
>>3904716I hadn't really heard of her, or at least paid much attention to her (and Phase as a whole), until she streamed BS and now just about the only thing I think about lately when jorking it is getting that hagfox preggers with a full litter.
>>3904736Why are bunnies black?
>>3904728Based.>>3904723Vtubers are a significantly female dominated field actually. Pretty much all the major ones are girls. Marine, Gura, Pekora, I honestly struggle to think of a single notable male (or 'male') one.
>>3904750Prayer Master
>>3904819I want to see him fuck Node.
I drew my beloved sister
>>3904855Based drawfren
>>3904855Which Alice is Best Alice and why is it this one?
>>3904883Mean footjub
Journey of Wind and Memory got a translation if anyone is interested.
>>3904982It's had an MTL for ages, unless you mean someone actually went out of their way to give that piece of shit an actual translation.
>>3904983https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlRQtwezOk
>>3904983Yeah, someone just went and translated it.
>>3905005>>3905006Oh, it's the follow up to the original mod, that makes more sense. I'd say it's better than the absolute mess that was the original mod, but the dev still fell into some of the same pitfalls when I played through it, though at least there's some potential with the current incarnation.
>>3904982>>3905005>>3905006A proper, non-MTL translation, right?Sweet. Perfect timing too, I'm doing muy 38470947892794273894792nd playthrough of BS2.Thanks Anon, I'll check it out once I hit the point of no return in Winterbell.
https://exhentai.org/g/3724884/d27f61aa02
>>3904982>zero Node contentI don't care.
>>3904982>lots of Dorothy contentI absolutely fucking care let's gooo!!!!
>>3905060>lots of Dorothy content
>>3905072Isn't Journey of Wind & Memory the kid Dorothy and Fluffy mod?
>>3905075Ostensibly, yes. The original mod basically had what little real Dorothy content there was shoved all to the very end of it and the Fluffies acted as glorified item dispensers. This mod picks up where the original Wind and Memory ended and about a minute in Dorothy basically got erased for the time being from what I remember of my original playthrough of it a year ago, but hey, at least the Fluffies have more of an actual role this time around.
>>3905077
I didn't remember this interaction at all.I thought Mabel's dialogue after you beat the Old King in the CD was THE indication that you fought and defeated him in one of the first 64 cycles, turns out there was this extra bit too. I guess it's been there since before DLC2.
>>3905097That event has been alluded to since BS1, it happened during the Tea Party.
Glad to already see a bug I never saw in the original version. You can avoid it if you skip the opening, but it also means you miss out on the upgrade material. Wonder if I can just port over a save from the original or something to avoid it and still get the mat.
>>3905097>>3905100Worth adding to this, the game repeatedly associates 'conspiracy' with Node / White (same as it associates Red / Prickett with rage). That the CD Mabel speech then goes on to pull in Arthurian myths probably has implications for what Grimm is, but who knows what those actually are since that part of the story is near incomprehensible as it's currently translated the way the roles of Old King and Red Queen suddenly overlap. On a different note,>it was him who brought Alice. And Alice brought himGiven the sentences around it and the way the Tea Party is always talked about, one of those two 'him' is PM and the other is Lewis/Grimm, and I wonder which is which. Alice is TCO, TCO brought Lewis to the Tea Party, and books wise the rabbit is the one who brings Alice to Wonderland. I really wonder who or what PM actually is. Never mind he's also apparently involved with Jabberwock.
>>3905108>That the CD Mabel speech then goes on to pull in Arthurian myths probably has implications for what Grimm is, but who knows what those actually are since that part of the story is near incomprehensible as it's currently translated the way the roles of Old King and Red Queen suddenly overlap.The Green Knight is the top suspect for me, but that whole mess is something to speculate about another time.
>>3905113Forgot to mention, Gawain himself is also another possibility if BS wants to play it more loosely, man got the title of the Maidens' Knight for a damn good reason, but the Green Knight grabbing their own lopped off head fits Grimm more to me.
>>3905105Porting over a save does work, but I'm really questioning the quality of this translation, shit reads like edited MTL to me and there's other obvious QC mistakes like untranslated lines and text cutoffs.
>>3905125Well this is fucking weird, every bloodstain message and the note on the table at the start is straight up untranslated in the ported save (even though the other lines remain translated) but skipping past the opening on a new file has them all be translated, even though the weapon lines remain partially untranslated in both. Guess I won't be grabbing that shit from the opening then.
>>3905125>>3905134Some text strings in these games are stored in the savefile instead of being loaded dynamically when you interact with the menu interfaaces.For example, covenant character names are some of those iirc.If you start a save in the japanese version, get some covenants going, save and load the save in rare_cats' (or probably the Steam) version, you'll see the character names in japanese instead of english.I remember noticing that when the japanese version of DLC3 came out.
>>3905138RPGM remains an endlessly fascinating source of jank.
How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>3905286Funger was built for that community to begin with so no wonder that they congregate there
Do you think Cheshire gave Node head?
i am not on /v/, so I do not engage with bait. instead, I jack off to maymay
>>3903677Does anybody have all of the pictures that are part of this?
>>3905321This gif isn't gifing.
>>3905328It's intentional.
>>3905305No. Node is only interested in Grimm.
>>3905345Doesn't mean she can't get off while he's not around.
>>3905321>expect some cozy animation>no animationBlack SOVLLESS
>>3905354Nah, Node will be obedient and wait for Grimm to return
>>3905391Node is a good rabbit
>>3905391Whose carpet is the cat munching on then?
>>3905406Alice
>>3905497Which one?
>>3905507Not the doll
How do I get en ending where I chill with Jabberwock for the rest of eternity?
>>3905525>Jabberwock>chillDo not open the spoiler if you have not beaten the game. The only thing she's interested in is corrupting living beings and making their souls more black.
>>3905531>>3905525So the answer would be having the potential to become giga mega super Hitler, in that case she would show up now and then to see how you're doing to see if you became the blackest soul ever.
>>3905525Rape
>>3905532>giga mega super HitlerHe was motivated by love, and genuinely wanted the best for humanity. He was far too humane towards his enemies. You've grown up with your mind poisoned by evil beings who want to corrupt the world and makes everyone else's souls more black, ironically. Inversion of the truth.
>>3905535I can't believe that mommy Jabberwock rules our world from behind the curtains.
>>3905535I wasn't talking about Grimm specifically, just what it would take to make her show up.>He was motivated by love, and genuinely wanted the best for humanity....by raping many innocent girls (and not).Am I talking to Miss. Lawyer Node?
>>3905531>>3905532Slander. She's a cute dragon girl that just wants romance and chill by the river. She admits that she used to do fucked up things, but now she doesn't want to do anything like that anymore.Yes I always play with >100 SEN and open the library door as soon as it's available, how did you know?
>>3905548Wife.
>>3905539People think it don’t be like it be, but it do.
Anybody know the sauce of this?
>>3905548Daughter.
Jabber wants to be your girl. She's known Grimm as long as Alice has, if not longer. Don't forget that she also visited the tea party.
>>3905686https://x.com/niiya0218niiyaMaybe this artist check for yourself I'm going by artstyle.
https://files.catbox.moe/10632n.jpg
>>3905686https://xcancel.com/XMimipu/status/1611377852867563520
>>3905850Absolute bunnyma
>"I ought to repay you somehow">"I wish for nothing more than for you to remain a young little girl forever">Flame memory is in the Red Castle so it's probably Lorina>oh
Ironic for Lindamea to be left-handed.
>The Undead Purge Lindamea mentionedWhat's that?
>>3905934Leaf's setting for her story.
>>3905936Oh. Fuck her
>>3905938With pleasure.
I funny doodle I did.
>>3905936>>3905934Debatable. Lindamea (and the rest of the Trial) are from outside Elysium, and while they were affected to some degree by Mary's power (possibly blame Shub stealing Leonard's demon name like a retard) they still also continued to exist in the real world. Hein for example is entirely aware of the nature of what's happening and books it the fuck out when he hear Baphomet is heading to confront Mary, it's only in BS2 that he's had his memories tampered with (and even there he proves significant awareness of the setting in the secret route). Unless DRH turns out to be taking place in a garden (which it might, maybe Shub's own abandoned one, but it's not a certainty), there's weird shit in the setting even outside the Dreamlands (which is consistent with the Mythos, really) and undeads may just be a thing that exists.
>>3905945Based drawfren
Does anyone have the irl owl picture with Lorde's hang yourself text underneath?
>>3905945Who are these girls?
>>3905939Whats with the pointy chin
>>3905945Marfusha better not underestimate that guy in knight armor with weird ass weapon
>>3905965From left to rightSnezhinka and Marfusha respectively
Why is he fucking the dog
>>3906011Redhood
>>3906023>this was a deliberate hint for Red's sceneBravo Miyazaki.
>>3905946>Lindamea (and the rest of the Trial) are from outside ElysiumWhile I'm sure the actors themselves had to come from somewhere, the Black Trial as a whole is referred to as one of Shub's creations by Mabel in DLC 3, made for the BS1 garden.
>>3905957
>>3906085Ah, but the Power of Creation is something exclusively Mary's (or Shub probably wouldn't succumb to it and GG wouldn't need to exist), and Hein seems able to freely leave and aware of the true nature of Elysium, and from what we've seen of DRH the Trial exists in the real world and maybe even predates BS1. Lindamea also somehow escaped End D completely unharmed and completely unchanged. Mabel only says they 'seem' to have been made to fit Elysium, but Shub cannot have created the Trial the way Mary created her characters.
>>3906085Wait a minute.Mabel is confirming that Grimm impregnated Shubbie and that the spawn is alive and kicking in this dialogue, isn't she?"What sort of negativity WILL it be?" instead of "would have been" or whatever else?I guess it could have been a mistranslation from the strange feling, but what if it isn't?Damn.
>>3906092>
>>3906092Yeah, as anon said, my money is on >>3906104, and either way that'll be where we learn more about it. It's very interesting that it had time to happen at all but I guess the gods are weird like that.
>>3906091>but Shub cannot have created the Trial the way Mary created her characters.Not in the same exact way that we've seen Mary do it, sure, but when all it takes is a vessel and a soul to inhabit that vessel in order to properly act out a role, it's not all that hard to believe there's more than one way to skin a cat when it comes to creating actors, given that niggermen are shown to be capable of handling both. Remember, Mary Sue does not have the Power to Create or a monopoly on the capability to create in general, she has the Power to Change, which she utilizes in order to act as a Creator, and there are a LOT more Creators in the series and for a LOT longer than I think you might realize, given that they've been pulling this kind of roleplay fuckery since even before the Tea Party.>and from what we've seen of DRH the Trial exists in the real world and maybe even predates BS1.DRH is almost certainly going to take place between BS1 and BS2, so that'd postdate their creation for BS1. The Black Trial can't have existed as the Black Trial as we know them before BS1 precisely due to what Mabel says there, they (the Black Trial itself) are actors made to fit perfectly into the Lost Empire by Shub, to repeat, they are literally made for that garden. Lindamea being present outside of the BS1 garden/in DRH isn't a shocker considering he's riding a fucking Hound of Tindalos when we see him in DLC 3, and is explicitly trying to rebuild the Black Trial.>>3906092>Mabel is confirming that Grimm impregnated Shubbie and that the spawn is alive and kicking in this dialogue, isn't she?The scene in BS1 alludes to it too, but yes this is hard confirmation.
>>3906116>The Black Trial can't have existed as the Black Trial as we know them before BS1 precisely due to what Mabel says there, they (the Black Trial itself) are actors made to fit perfectly into the Lost Empire by Shub, to repeat, they are literally made for that garden.Actually, let me elaborate on this a bit more. The time period I'm talking about here is when Shub was drawn into the Lost Empire by Glinda, that's the point in time that the Black Trial cannot have existed before. There is still a time gap between all of that and the very start of BS1 as we see it though, and the Black Trial itself are active in the Lost Empire in that span of time, acting as hitmen for the princesses and looking for a way into the Holy Forest.
>>3906116>DRH is between BS1 and BS2>The Black Trial exists in DRH>Lindamea says he'll rebuild the Trial in BS2It seems pretty clear DRH will probably end with that iteration of the Trial coming undone. Also, Lindamea got his hound sometime between the games, but he seemingly didn't have it in 1 and yet he still escaped unscathed (unless we are to believe his horse was always one). It would be interesting to know how he safely made it to the real world during/after End D when Hein failed to. Also, I think there's an implied difference between great ones willingly playing a role (TCO in the Tea Party, and that was arguably merely a part / avatar of him too given it then split off into Prickett), and Mary's/GG's power to force a role onto others. The latter isn't really something we see examples of when Mary's power isn't involved. Tea Party Grimm came premeddled with by her and Prayer Master is a weird and unexplored case but by all means there's an apparent coincidence between actor and role in the Tea Party, and he then goes on to get the Prayer Master role in BS1 (while allowed to keep his memories, so Mary might not even have used her power on him that much). Mabel says gods have been pretending to be human (to mixed results) for a long time, but I don't think she says much at all about humans or other beings being made into actors. Again, if TCO could just create things the way you're supposing Shub did then there wouldn't be such a big deal about using GG to set up the entirety of Wonderland. >when all it takes is a vessel and a soul to inhabit that vesselIt takes an actor and a role, and from what we see the actor's mind and body both are made to fit the role. Some actors take on multiple roles in BS2, but I don't think a body and a soul are necessarily sufficient. At that point that's an actor in the human sense of the term, but the 'acting' in BS is defined by the existence of a prewritten role the actor is forced into. 1/2
>>3906153>>3906116BS2 actually spells it out, a role needs an actor to be properly played. You can't just stuff souls in a meat puppet and have it come out right. Not even Mary could. Outer Gods cannot just create human equivalent beings from thin air, or per the image you posted they would just make their own believers. The people that became the four members of the Trial must have existed as people before entering Elysium, and the only one who could have changed them into truly believing themselves to be those roles and to maintain those abilities outside the garden is Mary. Mary may be a bitch but if she could just shape new humans to her liking without needing to grab existing ones she wouldn't have gone grabbing them, and Lilith wouldn't have come out a failure. And she's not even that good at changing people considering they keep showing signs of their true selves not part of their roles, so it's wild to assume Shub and the rest have access to an easier and more effective alternative. At most Shub may have assembled the Trial and Mary may have then made them into what we see, but again that seems unlikely given how much Hein knows, or how Lindamea behaves.
>>3906125>There is still a time gap between all of that and the very start of BS1 as we see it though, and the Black Trial itself are active in the Lost Empire in that span of time, acting as hitmen for the princesses and looking for a way into the Holy ForestThat is making the assumption that the 'past' of the Lost Empire is something that actually happened and not merely a backstory that exists only on paper while the stage resets to its starting position each cycle (and yes, BS1 also works on cycles). Dorothy's backstory of being a man is 'fake', after all, as her actor was always a girl and the role always that of Dorothy as a witch. And yet ostensibly it's true that at some point things must have happened to change the status quo, both in BS1 and BS2, shown by Shub showing up in 1 and by gods leaving and the sea lolis arriving in 2. Which is just weird is what it is. BS2 explicitly establishes there have been multiple cycles before the start, ones during which Grimm was particularly mindless too (and the name choosing scene could be interpreted as the three Queens waking him up somewhat to start their plan), and it makes sense that since time keeps flowing outside people may come and go and the script may be shuffled around, but I have no idea if BS1 ever establishes the existence of previous cycles we don't see or how that would line up with meeting Alice at the start of the game.
>>3906092Well yeah, a thousand young would take a long time to birth otherwise
>>3906092What if the child was raised by Lindamea
>>3906203Unironically kino and also honestly a real possibility.
>>3906214I'm leaning towards mr sin softener to be raising that hellspawn
>>3906215Ezwald is possibly not technically a member of the trial any longer by the time BS1 starts, as while he himself claims to be one he's within the Holy Forest without having given Baphomet its location, and is seen worshipping Mary Sue in End C. The latter likely implies that he's lying when he says he just happened to wander in there, and has converted to worshipping the superior waifu. I'd also wager him to not have survived End D, but I might be wrong.
nigga this thread be looking like the epstein files
>>3906280
Why is this game either a huge fan or a hater?
So, what is the best or most efficent way to stack evade?
So, where is Reginald Hargreaves?
>>3906297Node's boobs are bigger than that.
>>3906346Dead.
Is Edith a dogfucker too?
Is there a BS2 randomizer mod?
>>3901040ultra sovlfulhappy new year anon
Ahh, black bars, how much I miss seeing a wall of black bars in any BS thread. I love the tradition is still being kept alive. Thought I was going insane since previous threads we don't get these as muchThat said, good stuff grimmbros
So, while all the other gods were manipulating things and stuff, Dagon decided to turn into a giant fish and spend his time ramming a sunken boat or something like that?
Maybe its a coincidence but it feels like this was the inspiration for Red's design
>>3907091Is she another disgusting whore who has sex with dogs?
>>3907103I don't know just accidentally found it while I was looking for something else
>>3906461Yesn't.Jack/Sherlock/Leopold is just another soul fit inside a vessel and forced to play a role.
>>3907091If you type "anime girl red hood" on Google you'll see dozens of pics like that.Yours has bigger breasts and isn't a dead fish, so the chances it actually was EMMM's reference are low.
>>3907147At least the the ai ones, yes the red's design is similar like this is only in 2 at least the hood itself. But the date on a signature is what made think because RHW was released in 2016 but this one was made in 2015. Yes the chance is low but never zero.
>>3907147>>3907191There is a niche Japanese Red Hood game that EMMM lists as a direct inspiration. She has the wolf as her ally in that game. I forgot the title, but it's on Steam.
>>3907142You have no proof Poro is any different in that regard. In fact it's arguable he might have been a guy since dogs don't have souls.
BS1 question: There's a little area called For My Dear Girl and it has a chest with an Apple Ring inside of it. What's the significance of this?
>>3907535Ouhhh... Lort Grimm... You spend too much soul feeding Jubjub and she madnes heroines...Now we are rooping...
this whole thread looks like an epstein file
Wait why do I get waifuvision in the winterbell castle? Aren't my daughters supposed to be eldritch abominations with 0 SEN?
>>3907613I think it's either GG being right there makes the effect too powerful to ignore or they're allowed to truly be that once Node carries them there because the role imprinted on them completely like how TCO is always Alice now.
>>3907378I was replying to >>3906461.Edith is not red, she's the older sister of Alice Liddell and Lorina Liddell. You fight her in the Mental Ward and has a bit of a tragic love story going with Jack/Sherlock/Leopold.Edith and Poro have no connection whatsoever.
>>3907675>>3907378Younger, not older. Lorina->Alice->Edith.
>>3907675Anon, I know you struggled since childhood with interpreting things, so I'll break it down for you: if the meme is 'Red fucks dogs' then your argument 'Edith isn't a dogfucker because Jack is an actor playing a dog' is meaningless because Poro is the same too. Either they both are or neither isn't.
Grimm rawdogs dozens of malevolent cosmic horrors made of amorphous meat and oozing slime and also sometimes LITERAL rotting corpses, Red is in a committed relationship with a sapient wolf capable of intelligent conversation that protects and truly loves her, I don't really see the problem here. Do not throw stones in glass houses.
>>3907555You know the sleeping apple girl, right?
>>3907721When I first played through the game I thought I'd be able to put Snow White to sleep or something similar to avoid killing either her or the other 3 princesses.
>>3907722Well she *is* weak to sleep and poison
>>3907719People are angry because they're self inserting losers who feel cucked.
>>3907719>>3907726It's not that she fucks dogs, it's that she only gets pleasure from the knot. Just imagine what it was like for Grimm when he lived with her. He hears Red moaning loudly when Poro is fucking her, and then when it's Grimm's turn, she hardly feels anything and just lies there like a dead fish. What an utterly humiliating experience.
>>3907726Even if you self-insert you already know what her deal is if you played Red's game. Grimm is an NTR bastard, you fuck multiple people who already have someone else (Deedle twins, Griffy and Mocky, Hansel and Gretel and Blackwell and Florence sort of, Margaret, Wolris, Red, maybe others I forget) but they only give a shit because Red was in love with a dog before you came and raped her into your harem and not a cute girl or a pumpkin or a schizo carpenter in a diving suit. They literally feel inferior at the prospect of having to share Red with a loyal beast who will come fight and die for (You) whenever you want, that is giving Red to YOU. The dog is literally giving his bitch to you as a complete and total cuckold and people STILL seethe and act mad about it. Embarrassing.>>3907734Red's a severely traumatized asexual that only gets off from true love and companionship rather than whatever particular meat is plowing her frigid cunny, she feels good in the love hotel near the end of BS1 and finally properly cums when thinking about having your babies in the carriage cowgirl scene in BS2. Sex doesn't matter to her as much as being properly LOVED. Grimm only truly loves Alice (at first), so it's impossible for her to feel good from sex and cum with Grimm until way later. No shit she doesn't reciprocate the "love" of the unfaithful rapebeast undying corpse that only cares about slipping his necrotic cock into everything that walks on two legs until you've bled and died over and over for her sake.
>>3907739Also, regarding that second part of my post, pay attention to the scenes with Red in BS2 when you two already have something of a (weird, complicated, mutually painful, traumabonded) relationship that's carrying over from BS1. She is PISSED that you care more about Alice than her, like the scene where you forcefully dress her up in an apron dress and try to rape her on a dirty bed in an abandoned building in the town, but she still goes along with it because 1) she doesn't have too much of a choice in the matter and 2) she still cares about (You) and wants to help (You) even though you're a psychotic schizophrenic pedophile completely lost in your lust for a little girl from your past that you can NEVER have.For the record, I'm not even a Redfag, but I can respect it. I love reading about everyone's favorites, and I try to figure out their appeal and why the posters feel the way they do.
>>3907739>Red's a severely traumatized asexualIf that were true, she wouldn't enjoy sex with a dog. Love for knots is one of the things that Leaf has ingrained in Red's soul just for the lulz. The same applies to her maximum age. >finally properly cums when thinking about having your babies in the carriage cowgirl scene in BS2Oh, I remember that scene. Red even said she had a lot of practice or something like that kek. Probably a bunch of random guys fucked her in the real world so hard that she started to feel something. Most likely, though, she's faking her orgasm to make Grimm feel good. What Leaf did to Red's soul cannot be undone, we clearly see it in the finale.>>3907750>when you two already have something of a (weird, complicated, mutually painful, traumabonded) relationship that's carrying over fromBoo fucking hoo, I don't give a fuck, any heroine from BS 1 or BS 2 is way better and more interesting than this LITERALLY fucking whore. Toro should have killed Red in BS 1, just as he killed all the other heroines.
>>3907765>Probably a bunch of random guys fucked her in the real world so hard that she started to feel somethingI mean, that's literally the plot of DRH, yes.
Red haters are really something else. She's not even my favorite but I like her, ironically she's the most normal in the series
>>3907779>she's the most normal in the seriesHow is that a good thing? She's fucking boring.
>>3907783By being normal she's unique because everyone else is fucking crazy
>>3907785Being 'normal' doesn't make her any special. All the other heroines are much more interesting than the Red Whore. Whore is not an insult, by the way, she literally works as a whore in BS 1 and probably even in DRH.>everyone else is fucking crazyYou're exaggerating. Which heroines in BS 1 and BS 2 are crazy? All of them? Yes, there are some characters who think differently or don't feel certain human emotions, but that doesn't make them crazy. It makes them unique and interesting.
>>3907765K>>3907779She's the closest of the main heroines to an actual girl who would love the type of person who plays BS (and be interested in playing BS for themselves), next to Leaf. Except Leaf is loaded with different manifestations of the nasty cluster B personality disorders and other chaotic mental illness related to severe attachment issues and abuse -- bipolar/borderline/antisocial/narcissism, etc... Total mutual destruction, including anyone in the vicinity. Red is the only one you could have a sort-of healthy relationship with and live a happy, fucked up life together.Prickett and Node are also really good, really tragic girls but they don't really have real world parallels relevant to the player, at least not any that immediately come to mind for me at least. It wouldn't work out. They can do so much better than Grimm, and the player.
>>3907795>KThat's a nice argument you got there.>Red is the only one you could have a sort-of healthy relationship with and live a happy, fucked up life together.Redcuckbro... She is literally a whore who can only get pleasure from having sex with a dog. What normal relationship are you talking about? I would rather have a not-so-normal relationship with the Outer Gods than a "le normal relationship" with a disgusting dogfucking whore.
>>3907794>All the other heroines are much more interesting than the Red WhoreImagine thinking Elma or Catherine are more interesting than Red.
Do you think we'll see Kitty and Snowdrop in BS3?
>>3907804I fucking hope. Imagine the absolute semen demons Toro could make out of them based on what he did with their mother.
>>3907801>ElmaWell, she has a dark secret, and she doesn't fuck dogs. >CatherineIf she were alive, EMMM could delve deeper into the topic of faith in Lovecraft's universe. What would happen to her faith when she realized that her god was some bratty Great One and that she and her entire world were just a toy?
>>3907810>if she had more written about her she could be good The absolute state of Catherine's character.
>>3907613Doesn't Winterbell exist outside of Wonderland, and SEN is only a measure of how you perceive Wonderland?
>>3907813>if she had more written about her she could be goodThe irony is that the same can't be said about Red. She has been in three different games, and she's still a boring piece of shit. She's a dead fish character. She has no potential. That's why EMMM killed her, because he had nothing more to write about her.
>>3907817>it's bad for a character to have a complete arc and finished narrativeHow's the capeshit taste?
