>>3904136
If you are finishing act 1 and do not like it, just drop it

>>3904137
It was actually ok in Act 1. Not the best but I managed to play through.
Now I'm in early Act 2 and the settlement management feels like getting in the way, and I'm just wandering around the map unsure what to do. Supposedly a troll attack triggers in the third week (???) but yea I feel so disengaged right now.

>>3904138
If Kingdom Management gets on yoru nerves, even more so.
Even if you cheat so it auto resolves well for you, you are supposed to fill time with this. Just let it go

>>3904136
Never, it starts out bad but dives off a cliff after act 2.

>>3904142
>>3904149
Is Wrath of the Righteous at least better?
I'm looking for a good fantasy CRPG after DAO and Div Original Sin/2, and so far everything else I tried is some shitty crpg with tedious mechanics and who's idea of world building is info dumping you with textbook lore (Pillars of Eternity)

>>3904167
>Is Wrath of the Righteous at least better?
No, it's worse.

>>3904167
Roughly the same.
Some things are better, some are worse.
I guess if the only dealbreaker was the kingdom management, Crusade management is easier to skip over

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>>3904138
You have to use your free time upgrading the kingdom by spending weeks on the advisor training mechanics every 20 points of a particular kingdom stat, filling all the slots of a settlement with buildings and exploring as far as you are able in the chapter. The game has some breathing room for rests and shit but overall I don't think you are expected to sit on your ass (except for the last chapter if you have upgraded everything) until the next crisis happens and rush through the main storyline.

I actually liked the Kingdom Management or at least the ultimate version of it after much patching. Wrath of the Righteous has the Crusade management which is miles worse. You can turn kingdom management off but you'll miss out on the exclusive weapons, armor and quests I think.

>>3904136
>To know the vintage and quality of a wine one need not drink the whole cask. It must be perfectly easy in half an hour to say whether a book is worth anything or worth nothing. Ten minutes are really sufficient, if one has the instinct for form. Who wants to wade through a dull volume? One tastes it, and that is quite enough-- more than enough, I should imagine.
-Oscar Wilde

>>3904136
That's the best part.....

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>>3904138
>Now I'm in early Act 2 and the settlement management feels like getting in the way, and I'm just wandering around the map unsure what to do.
Maybe the game's just not for you. I loved that part of it. Felt like I was doing an old-school hex crawl with my tabletop group, just heading into the wilderness and exploring map sections for monsters/loot.

>>3904136
I played it recently, and the game never really changes. what you see in the first few hours is what you get for the next 50 hours.

>>3904136
Quit playing it act 2. Boring garbage with time limits on shit. Fucking hate time limits.

>>3904136
Right after the tutorial, but only because during the tutorial the encounters are trivial.

>>3905140
>Fucking hate time limits.
Just use toybox to make advisor cards finish in one day, and make them auto-roll a 19 on each card or whatever. You'll have literal months to spare at the ends of the later chapters.
The only real time pressure is the optional goal to finish the first chapter in 30 days or whatever it is. It's tough and requires minimal resting, but doable. All you get is an unimportant dueling sword or whatever though, it's not necessary.

>>3905140
>Boring garbage with time limits on shit.
But you're contradicting yourself there. How is it boring if you're sprinting around trying to get everything done in time? And how can you complain about time limits if you already got everything done so you've nothing left to do but to progress the main quest?
You can't have it both ways, dude.
And just for the fucking record, for the people reading, if you rest for 8 hours after literally EVERY SINGLE FIGHT in every single map available to you in Act 2... you still won't run out of time on any of the time limits.
Just makin' sure we are all aware the facts before this bullshit misinformation toxic negativity can just go unchecked.

>>3905062
Oh no, a classic story-driven RPG with rich dialogue and lavish maps to explore in the Western tradition of tabletop games??? Oh noooooo, the fucking horror.

>>3905147
>rich dialogue
I enjoyed Kingmaker and finished it twice, but let's not get too silly here.

>>3905140
People always complain about the time limits in this game but I didn't notice them at all.

Are you fuckers resting multiple times per map or something?

>>3905159
I wish games had good time limits, they always end up being overly generous though.

Don't listen to /vrpg Wrath of the Righteous is extremely well received. A lot of people on here are haters and think everything that doesn't remind them of that special game they played as a kid that they think was the "last time games were good" or "best game ever". They'll tell you "everything is dogshit now" "go play balders gate 2" I've played BG2 it's all bullshit, anons here are drunk on nostalgia and are often psychologically incapable of processing new content rendered by their conviction that it's "just not like it used to be". Wrath of the righteous is significantly better than kingmaker and worth playing.

>>3905166
Wrath of the Righteous was dogshit, I'd rather play BG2 for the 10th time

>>3905159
You notice them in 3 instances
a)Because you were not efficient, you did not finish Act 1 in 30 days (though the game does not tell you missed a slight bonus reward)
b) During Vordakai to Barbarian assault transition when there is no dead zone, tons of things can pile up that can lead to personal quests, curses and main quests actually pressuring
c)You have not ranked up everything to 10 by endgame (usually because you opened up some advisors too late)

Extra bonus for the 'hidden' ending, with the curse research.
So yeah, if you do not plan yoru visists and rest after every fucking node, some thinsg can be missed

>>3905184
Yea, ur just making my point...

>>3905184
Let me guess BG3 is also dogshit? Yea I've heard it all before...

>>3905202
>Let me guess BG3 is also dogshit?
WotR has its flaws, and it was buggy as fuck when it came out (virtually unplayable until about 6 months of patches), but I had fun with it, and I feel like I got my money's worth out of it. I ended up playing it about 1.75 times through.
BG3 has a handful of good aspects, heavily weighed down by about a gigaton of complete dogshit and retarded decisions. Easily the most disappointing game I can think of in the last few decades. It sucks. I ended up playing it about 1.75 times through. I got it for free, and I feel ripped off. Shit game for idiot losers.
It also has a legion of absolutely delusional fanboys who will brook no criticism of it, it's fucking weird. Like I can have a conversation about games I like, and list what I think was both good and bad about it, and I can have a conversation about games I don't like, and list what I think was both good and bad about it, but for some reason when some people get on the internet they just turn fucking retarded.

>>3905151
Tell us which game has richer dialogue. Go ahead, I've got time.

>>3905184
You know when you react to literally everything with "nuh uh!", no one will take you seriously. You need to work on developing your emotional maturity, because so far you're literally just a toddler crying in a directionless rage because you're sitting at the dinner table and you don't know why you're upset. It isn't about the dinner. You would be pitching a tantrum no matter what the food served was like.
You are the problem, anon. You are the common element in your life.
Improve. Quietly. Elsewhere.

>>3905207
>shit game for idiot losers
>gee where are all the nuanced discussion and balanced perspectives

Look within

>>3904138
Act 2 and 3 are quite hectic once they get going. But yeah they're relying on kingdom management to carry the empty spaces between the story arcs.
If you're even slightly efficient in managing your exploration you will be skipping weeks at the end of every act. Especially if you use auto kingdom management.

The main campaign/story is shit. The tacked-on management sim is doubleshit. The way time management is handled in the game is tripleshit.
I just wanted a comfy isometric (don't get autistic about the term, you know what this means in context) crpg adventure with combat, exploration and an engaging story. Instead I'm the janitor for a shithole kingdom and the game expects me to keep punching in my timecard to make sure it feels like a chore instead of an adventure.
Saying it's "loyal to source material" is the most retarded cope for this so don't bother saying it.
The "the fey did it" theme is also quadrupleshit. Yuck.
"Disjointed" is the single best word to describe how this game feels.

>>3905266
>gee where are all the nuanced discussion and balanced perspectives
BG3 is indeed dogshit overall, but I can still praise the things it did well. I like that it has turn-based tactical combat, a few of the levels have interesting map design with good verticality, its production values are great, good music, animations, and graphics. It's a long game with a lot of content. I like that Larian dropped it and didn't try milking it with DLC and microtransactions. I like the opportunities for environmental interaction. Underneath all the trash, there's the framework of what could've been a great game, if different developers had made it, and it wasn't weighted down with so much garbage on top.
That's my point though, I've seen an uncountable number of slapfights about BG3 on this board, and almost invariably the pro-BG3 anons have dogshit taste, and can neither say anything positive about the other games they're attacking as deflection, nor acknowledge any reasonable criticism of BG3.
I've literally seen one (1) anon who liked BG3, and even though we disagreed in our ultimate conclusions as to the game, he was capable of arguing his points reasonably and I respected his opinion as a result. Usually, all you get is
>lol bg2 was worse lol
etc.
inb4 lol bg2 was worse lol

>>3905379
All Ive seen from your posts is commentary on fandom and reflections and grievances resulting from debate. This is the first actual time you’ve bothered to mention gameplay and it’s all been complementary. I can’t fathom your perspective as it seems to be at least partially informed through the lens of outside factors that have little to do with the game, so I doubt conversing on it would be very enlightening past acknowledging it’s a game with good aspects and bad aspects as trite as it is.

>>3904142
No reason to play it on very easy. It's just a bad card game.
>>3904136
Be warned that it gets much worse after act 4 or so. The companions are bearable, the system is obviously trash and the mini game and navigation sucks. No reason to not use mods. Toybox or what's it's name.

>>3905472
>I can’t fathom your perspective as it seems to be at least partially informed through the lens of outside factors that have little to do with the game, so I doubt conversing on it would be very enlightening past acknowledging it’s a game with good aspects and bad aspects as trite as it is.
It's just that it's been so thoroughly run into the ground over the years, and the arguments are almost never very interesting or productive, that it feels trite to even enumerate. I'll humor you, though:
>ruleset is worst edition of DnD ever
>Larian homebrewed it to make it even worse (things like making perception an active roll instead of passive take 10, and critical fail/success on nat 1/nat 20, leading to failing checks you shouldn't and passing checks you shouldn't. Even a DC 99 meme check with an achievement at the end)
>terrible inventory management
>devs somehow dumbed down and broke the tooltips from dos2
>meme itemization with MMO-style sets to build up gay "charges"
>gimmicky encounter design
>absolutely terrible story
>absolutely terrible writing
>absolutely terrible characters (devs also lied during early access and said the reason everyone was an edgy cunt was because they had to preload the game with the evil chars, while later on there would be a full suite of good chars. in reality, every origin char was frontloaded, and the devs quietly rewrote and 'focus grouped' every character to be boring and malleable and more likeable)
>devs cut the upper city and lied about it, leading to ridiculousness like Cazador's mansion being stuffed on top of a guard tower up a wall
>shits all over BG1/2, clearly made by, and for, people who didn't play or like them
>rampant faggotry, every companion playersexual
>trannies, drag queens, non-binary feminine penises in character creation
>race-swapping half of the realm to be nogs, Chultian nogs, dwarf nogs, gnome nogs, elf nogs
>vitiligo sliders (fucking what?)

>>3906137
I could go on, but you get the point.
I actually really enjoyed the circa-2020 early access version of the game, and I was excited for it and thought it was going to be great. I dropped it so that I wouldn't get burnt out replaying act 1 for N years. When it finally launched and I tried it again, I was like "What the FUCK happened to this game?" I felt severely bait-and-switched, hence being so incredibly disappointed with the final product. It could've been great, but there was just so many shitty decisions and so much garbage added to it.

>>3905147
did I say it was bad? I just said it doesn't change

>>3906173
Schroedinger's dumbass hot take. You shoot your mouth off without thinking and then pretend it was just a joke bro or argue about semantics when you are called out on it. Context matters. You did indeed imply that you thought it was bad, and now you're lying about what you meant because you realized you can't defend your bullshit reflexive negative comment.
Just for the record though, the game does change. It just doesn't become an entirely different genre of game.
And more for your personal edification, you need to spend less time gooning over tiktok trash, because you're so brainrotted you can't imagine sincerely enjoying anything. You don't have to instantly react to literally everything in your life with a negative comment. Go think about that quietly while you do your homework, because we can all tell by your lack of capitalization and punctuation that you're a (particularly stupid and uneducated) teenager.

>>3904136

Act 1 is always the best act on pathfinder games. Act 2 is always consistently unfocused and inconsistent. Like, the first antagonist is always far better developed than the mid bosses that come after it.

My guess is they like to focus the second act on party character development but some of those are really weak and, on Kingmaker specially, the player is left with absolutely no choices. Basically you play it how the devs want or the party members will betray you and die on act 3. Like seriously, Valerie and Tristian quests are both shit. Octavia and Regongar is also pretty weak. Basically you play this for Amiri and Jaethal quests. That´s it.

What they call the good ending is trash too. They seriously tell you Yeah, this chick lied you and every other partner that trusted her, tried to kill you multiple times but please understand she is a victim that deserves happiness as well so if you are a hero you´ll forgive her and be cool with the vixen.

It´s hilarious.

>>3905184
this

>>3904136
When you make a custom party of all fighters.

>>3906292
>What they call the good ending is trash too.
It's worse than this. They don't call it the 'good ending' or the 'secret ending', they call it the 'TRUE ending'

>>3906292
>Amiri
Boring af? Ghost giant, lol

>>3906197
Tldr

>>3906292
On the contrary, act 2 is pretty focused with a smaller area and encounters tailored for yoru level where you have less access to bullshit.

In Kingmaker, it's pretty much Troll trouble and narlmarches. You cannot really overlevel yet, your classes have not unblocked much bullshit , monster trouble for your new kingdom is reasonable, and it finishes the arc of Tartuk while hinting at more.

In wrath, it's the march to Drezen, with some trouble on the way and ends with the siege and your Mythic birth. Pretty focused and tight.

Even for Rogue Trader, putting your worlds back to roder is pretty focused, you jus thave a lot more locations to visit. I guess this one fits the description a bit more.

Things get more unfocused with weirder pacing AFTER chapter 2

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>>3906292
>What they call the good ending is trash too.
It's the hidden or true ending.
The good ending is obviously pic related

>>3906292
>What they call the good ending is trash too. They seriously tell you Yeah, this chick lied you and every other partner that trusted her, tried to kill you multiple times but please understand she is a victim that deserves happiness as well so if you are a hero you´ll forgive her and be cool with the vixen.
Why are you gay?

>>3907238
Gay is when you kill a mass-murdering, manipulative, deceitful, hateful, giga-slut monster is my favorite flavor of teenage incel.

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Thanks Lann. You're so AWESOME Lann.

>>3907238

Why are you a cuck?

>>3906439

Damn right it is.

Any Owlcat game past the character creator is dogshit.
Buggy 1 million trash encounters is not a fun experience.