One of the best action rpgs we have the joy of playing in the year of our Lord 2026. A jap has beaten it over 300 times, and is streaming it now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1MTB-7cPYwIf you claim to have a "favorite rpg" but haven't beaten it even 10 times, are you even telling the truth? Are you even a fan of it? Or is it just fake interest on your part?
>>3905883Speed running like grinding seems more like autistic stimming behavior than genuine enjoyment, and is rarely done by the mentally well.
>>3905883It's very slow, yet a good game.
>>3905902Completely backwards.Speedrunners enjoy games enough to exhaust them through mastery....like musicians practicing one instrument until it sings beautifully. Normies hop from one shallow experience to another, like flipping radio stations, mistaking novelty for enjoyment and never going deep.
>>3905930Trials of Mana 2D is way snappier than people give it credit for. Once you know a route even vaguely, it flies...speedrunners clear it in ~4.5 hours, and after watching a few runs you can finish in 9–10 with minimal practice. It’s action-driven, cleanly paced, and doesn’t bury you in dialogue spam or spreadsheet-tier character building.
>>3905931If you waste real life time, for lower in game time by resetting progress to do something 'faster' you are mentally ill.People want to see someone beat a game using skill, actually playing it as intended but knowing where to go, what is worth getting and what isn't. Abusing bugs to make the credits scroll is not impressive or interesting.
I would like the game way way more if it didn't take 5 full seconds every time I moved in the menuAlso I remember the ice area being complete fucking bullshit for some reason but it's been years since I've played it so I don't remember specifics
>>3905931>Speedrunners enjoy games enough to exhaust them through masteryYou would be shocked at how many speedrunners don't like the games they speed run.
>>3905960You would be dumb to make such broad claims with no evidence.
>>3905931Nah its all about getting those numbers up on the board on speedrun.com in between collecting disability cheques.
>>3905931Nope!
>speedrunningTo be lumped in with other pathetic cretins such as minmaxers and everyone else who sees video games as misplaced sources of achievement and social signification.
>>3905883>>3905933>Trials of Mana 2Dgood job outing yourself as a newfag. It's Seiken Densetsu 3.
>>3906007How can a disable play games
>>39061641.>what is fraud2.Have you ever played a game on the internet before? They're full of disabled people.
>>3906140>Don't do challenge runs>Don't replay games either!>Don't be competitive! Don't improve!!>Games aren't like your other hobbies they are supposed to be mindless and CHILL!!!So just hop from game to game having the most shallow tourist experience possible.Reminds me of every shitter you encounter online when you beat them they say something to the effect " I don't play for ego, if I spent more time I'd win, only reason you won is cause you have no life, I don't play games to be tortured,etc"Meanwhile they have twice the /time played of the players they lose to lmao
>>3906269None of these are equivalent to speedrunning or minmaxing, which are different because they exist on the basis of deliberately playing the game in bad faith by abusing mechanics in ways that are contrary to how the game is intended to be played.
>>3906274>by abusing mechanics in ways that are contrary to how the game is intended to be played.You're retarded since not all speedruns have glitches.
Its funny because casual players are often the first ones to look up overpowered strats online.
>>3906310yep, learning the game is cheating
>>3905883> is streaming it now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1MTB-7cPYw >wow he's autistic!!! hahahah! what a FREAK!I'm kind of jealous to be honest, I have periods where I can't find "the right" rpg game to play and invest my time in, meanwhile there are guys out there re-playing the same rpg a hundred times in a row and having a blast. You can tell from his streams he's having a good time, despite the tight time attack restrictions and goals he has
>>3905883I'm overdue for a replay, I think I've gone through it 5 times. Had to drop the remake cause the action isn't as fun.
>>3905931Tell me how doing a save glitch in Pokemon Red that beats the game in 5 minutes is perfecting a video game.
>>3906429Based and mana pilledI'm going to beat it again with another team, last time I did Charlotte, Lise, Kevin>>3906581There are glitchless runs, there are runs that use minor glitches, etc. speedrunning has so many varieties
>>3905883Super cool pixel art
>>3905883This game is a 1000x better than Secret of Mana, but I hear about it way less unfortunately.
>>3906729Because it never got localized, but it only seems like it did cause it was translated by fans in 2000. A lot of dudes who just started fucking with emulation downloaded this random game called Seiken Densetsu 3 and it got popular by word of mouth online.
>>3906729I played seiken Densetsu 3 before secret of mana 1, love 3 but 1 doesn't do much for me....
timeless classic, especially the third game seiken densetsu 3 which never got ported over unfortunately.
>>3906756>A lot of dudes who just started fucking with emulation downloaded this random game called Seiken Densetsu 3Yup, my friends and I did this. Lots of people got into Squaresoft with FF7, then checked out the SNES back catalog. Loved the fan translation of FF5.
>>3906770It got ported to the Mana Collection. Beat it on my switch last month. But they call it Trials of Mana (2D).
>>3905883I like it, but I'm not gonna sing that much praise for it. It's a fun beat-em-up, but it's slow and very grindy if you're not aware of cheese strats. The Benevedon Hunt and grind for ??? Seeds are massive chores.
>>3906778Why?I never grinded anything. My last save file before the final boss, my guys are level 37 and 38. First playthrough, around 18 hours.I see most people beating it around level 50-60....why lol
>>3906781Well for me, I always wanted the class up as soon as I accessed the statue, and the exp. scaling would always leave me having to grind a few levels before moving on
>>3906781Now try to beat it in less than 10 hours.Then less than 8then 6Then go for the World Record if you're man enough.
>>3906773Precisely. I didn't 'get' jrpgs until my friends showed me Legend of Legaia, so I played all the snes titles for the first time on emulator.
>>3906804so...what did you "get" in the end?
he's streaming again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN8j1kji6j8 Trials of Mana speedrun #314 世1狙(仮)
>>3906781Because some people don't just item spam their way through the later fights.
aren't you the speedrunner retard that was crying about rpgs on /vr/? did that attention get you hungry for more?lol
>>3905883>slow as shit>no actual costume changes for classes>Angela is worthless without using an exploit slowing the game down even moreThere's literally no reason to play it over the remake.
>>3906856the scope
>>3907088It's faster than the remake if you know how to play. It's harder than the remake. Those are reasons enough.
>>3907071>Using your gold to buy items wiselyThat's not item spam. And that's better than grinding levels mindlessly. Tl Dr, git gud
>>3907075I'm not a speedrunner but I do disdain and despise many aspects of RPGs and jrpgs, specially how they don't respect your time (too much filler, bloat, menuing, talky talk, backtracking, things that are barely gameplay etc) and how their challenge is often lacking!!!!!!!
>>3907387And yes I do like to study games I play in order to play them well and quicker than normal blind runs! But nothing like speedrunning skill or practicing runs
>>3907387yeah, thought so, you were in an anti-guide thread crying about rpgs, though you really meant jrpgs, for dozens and dozens of posts. now you come to the rpg board.lol
Is the "Class Balance" fan patch any good? Any other fan patch you can recommend?
>>3907470Crpgs have better roleplaying than jrpg but their combat is a billion times worse, specially if it's action lmao western devs still have no clue how to do action combat that isn't fps
>>3907607wrpg combat is atrocious, true.But RPGs are more than just combat they are also like visual novels and walking sims too
>>3907241No, it is item spam. Also,>buyingHealing items come a dime a dozen in this game, even if you're not grinding.Either way, it turns the game in a boring, protracted round of "red light, green light" where you're constantly going into the ring menu to heal up in between enemy nukes. That shit is lame and boring.
>>3907607>>3907610 lol, so you're going to repeat the exact same act here. figured.
>>3907631>Buying heals is badThere are way better items to buy than heals, specially from Byzel night market.... if you know enemy weaknesses and also have Kevin to buff and enrage. heals are often saved for a death cancel glitch not just mindlessly spammed to stay full HP all the time. My inventory wasn't full of heals anyway and often just saved 9 candies or 9 poto oils for boss fights. Also Charlotte backup healing...etc>it turns the game in a boring, protracted round of "red light, green light" where you're constantly going into the ring menu to heal up in between enemy nukesNo. If you're playing well, using strategic items, attack cancels to get extra attacks then popping a healing item now and then is just part of the action. If you play like a shitter I could see how you assume low level characters would require spamming heals non stop but that's not the case if you know how to play.The other alternative is grinding excessive levels, wasting time mindlessly so you never really have to figure out how to play or come up with strats, but instead brute force the game making it piss easy with superior numbers, so the whole thing is mindless.One if the worst aspects or westoid RPGs and jrpgs is never being really challenged due to level or gear advantage.
>>3907876>westoid RPGs and jrpgsjRPGs are westoid RPGs.
>>3908010>Japan is WesternHonorary aryans ok
>>3905947This. I appreciate that they show how to break games and having that as its own category is great, but to me the best speedrunning is just playing the game without any bullshit glitches and optimizing your performance. It shows full working knowledge of the ins and outs of a game and its mechanics. That to me is the pure essence of speedrunning.
>>3908075>>3908075>>3905947>>3908075Study speedrunners for effective techniques; adopt what suits you, ignore the rest...no need for hundreds of resets.But pursuers of speed records, S-ranks, or hi-scores seek not mere validation, or numbers for numbers sake but deeper challenges that demand repeated play with escalating precision and engagement. Basically an excuse to replay a game while still making it interesting.100 hours deep dive on one game equals 10 hours across ten....both are leisure “time sinks”. Yet leisure doesnt mean easy, mindless or unskilled. Casual target practice over beer contrasts with competitive marksmanship where the core act yields skillful mastery and lasting thrill...yet both are just shooting stuff. Which one is better? The one that is more mindful, skilled, and interesting desu. I’d rather be a marksman than a drunk aimlessly shooting when it comes to gaming.If I want to zone out, chill and be “comfy” I don’t game.
Until they mod the game to play more like sword of mana I can't imagine sitting through this game again. Once was enough. Sword and children are better than it even with their problems. Secret is not even a finished game but it plays alright too if you don't care.
>>3908082>Played Secret of Mana 3D remake on vita>Sorta copy a speedrunner route >Get softlocked accidentally doing some skip or invincibility glitchHa! Yes ! So cool>>3908115Sounds like skill issue. It happens to best of us!
>>3908062They took on Western values with the Meiji Restoration and went even further with their loss in WW2, but they are not Westerners, hence they are "westoid" since the -oid suffix means "not actually the thing but like it", like with humanoid meaning shaped like a human or android being a man-like robot. Unfortunately nu-weebs don't know what the memes they copied mean, I think they got it from /pol/tards using "leftoid" and thought it was merely a form of insult.
>>3908142can you define these too: jewoid commuoid tranoid
>>3908159I don't have to define them, I already told you what -oid meant when added to a word, so any defintiion is just "like the thing but not it", so like a Jew but not actually Jewish, Arcanum gnomes for instance, is jewoid, et cetera, et cetera.C'mon now, think for yourself.
