>>3910314
Possibly the dumbest thread on the board. Please please please delete it at your earliest convenience

Obvious bait that will nonetheless linger for months on this dead and rotting board.

>>3910325
>>3910339
>Can't counter argument

>>3910527
Retardation doesn't warrant counter-argumentation. It warrants being pointed and laughed at.

>>3910314
>The Powder Gangers rule the entire region
Unusual bait.

>>3910605
would be a fun mod though

>>3910605
The powder gang is part of the anti NCR, even though they're not affiliated with the Legion

>>3910339
>dead and rotting board

Fuck sake, I only just started browsing it after getting sick of every other corner of this website over the last 15 years. I swear this always happens, I find a new board, get interested, and everyone says its glory days are over - move on

Anyway I thought this board was only like a year old

>>3910674
He's probably just used to more fast paced boards like tv and v. Vrpg is just a slow board

>>3910674
Nearly 4 at this point
>>3910677
Dozens of threads are kept alive by necroposting, not actual activity

>>3910314
>you can later betray them in both games
You're onto something

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>>3910541
Yeah but you look more like the fool to me, cause OP looks correct. Bethseda games ARE shit.

>there are two factions
>instead of having to decide which one is the lesser evil, you get to decide which is the greatest good
Now that would be kino

enclave fuck u bvittch - FRANK HORRIBLE

>>3910674
posters whining about how the boards have gotten worse is an established part of board culture since day one, you will live to see people talking about 2020's as the "better days"
the only difference here is the very specific way a handful of shitposters are permanently mindbroken; someone disliked the game that is their autistic obsession and thus they have since dedicated themselves to shitposting in every thread not about the three games they like, when you know this they are very easy to spot because of their permanegativity
if you want good content on your board how about contributing to it too

Skyrim does fuckall to convince you to join the Empire considering the fucks wanted to execute you for being in the wrong place at the wrong time and write you off as a Stormcloak Supporter

>>3916328
>Skyrim does fuckall to convince you to join the Empire
Umm but the Stormcloaks are heckin’ racist Nazis

>>3916328
Also throughout the first dungeon and during several other ocassions you will stumble upon empire or empire sanctioned torture dungeons. You can even wittness a live torture going on and especially during the empire introduction you will meet the imperial torturer who happily tells you that the young guy lying dead in a cage across the room screamed for weeks after they snatched him for no reason and brought him there simply because the torture wanted someone to play with.
So you are given the choice to side with moustache twirling sadists who randomly abduct people from the streets to murder them in week long torture sessions and wanted to execute you for being near a criminal or the guys whose greatest fault it is not letting literal demon worshoppers with british accents, said sadist villains or their friends take over their native homeland and make the rules there for no apparent reason.c

>>3916330
considering what the Thamlor are doing, the Stormcloaks are 1000% justified

>>3916334
>considering what the Thamlor are doing, the Stormcloaks are 1000% justified
But they’re MEAN! They’re BIGOTS! That’s the worst thing in the world that anyone can ever do

>>3916337
being a bigot towards Elf Nazis makes you a good guy

>>3916338
>Elf Nazis
You’ve yourself internalized the elven propaganda, such that you see, in their actions, the lies they projected onto their enemies. Many such cases.

>>3916340
>propaganda

the crimes they commit is now "propaganda"? Lay off the /pol/ brainrot

>>3916343
Try to read more slowly, and think about what the words mean.

>>3916346
why bother when you are going to avoid the argument

>>3910314
Except every time I tried playing Skyrim I never even knew I had a choice at the beginning or realized that there were the two big factions.

>>3910527
>DEBATE ME BRO!

>Stormcloak Downsides
They're RACIST (see: like everyone else in TES) against Elves. They aren't any more racist than the likes of the Dunmer or the Argonians. Non-nords hold many high profile and high influence positions in the city.

There's literally just a refugee slum (because of a massive sudden influx of refugees) and Argonians don't come into the city, because fucking obviously these two races that hate each other would tear one another apart.
>Empire Downsides
Tried to kill you for no reason, not even ruled by Septims anymore, endless examples of the Empire declining/falling then being reborn throughout history but they demand you defend it to the death.

Stormcloak vs Empire is a meme argument. Correct answer is:
>dragonborn nord kills alduin
>and the thalmor
>and the empire
>skyrim becomes the launchpad for mankind's next age

>>3916376
>listing something that isn't a downside as a downside for the Stormcloaks

>>3916378
That's my point, the worst anyone can really say about the Stormcloaks 99% of the time is
>they're RAYCIST

The other thing they roll out is
>muh thalmor asset
because of a page that says "Skyrim being in a civil war works for us. We can't contact Ulfric. Probably bad. As long as he doesn't win, all good"

and as if that somehow makes him more of a liability than the Empire which is openly and actively implementing Thalmor policies. Anyone who thinks there is even an "Empire vs Stormcloak debate" has failed a litmus test that decides who is or isn't a drooling retard

>>3916376
An actual, non-meme in-lore interpretation of those arguments:
>They're RACIST
As you yourself point out they are not racist enough.

>Tried to kill you for no reason
Based.
>not even ruled by Septims
Based.
>endless examples of the Empire declining/falling then being reborn throughout history
Based.

>they demand you defend it to the death.
You don't get it.
>dragonborn nord kills alduin
You don't get it.
>and the thalmor
Correct.
>and the empire
Correct.
>skyrim becomes the launchpad for mankind's next age
You do realize that it actually means "and Skyrim", right?

You can't see the Path.

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>>3916328
Sounds like a lorelet issue to me.

every bethesda game would be better if the main quest just didnt exist

>>3916369
>literally begin the game next to the leader of one big faction, who is facing execution by the other big faction
You might be retarded.

>>3920800
he means when you escape helgen there is a choice to escape with an Imperial or a Stormcloak.

Most people didn't realize there was a choice o a scene where the two people would argue with each other

>>3919678
The main quest is there to give you some sense of direction and progress should you need it. You can ignore it for endless hours.

And since I don't feel like making a new thread, I just started playing NV for the first time ever (kinda late to the party, am I?). Still too early to passjudgement on the game. So far I've been skulking around Goodsprings.
The combat is a bit more janky than I'd like to and damage seems pretty inconsistent. So far loving the western-ish vibes of the setting. Mostly trying to build a gunslinger type character with focus on guns (obviously), repair and lockpicking. Pretty basic, I guess. Got the wacky wasteland perk for the extra content. Playing the ultimate edition which gives you a ton of extra gear at the beginning of the game for no reason.

>>3922119
>Playing the ultimate edition which gives you a ton of extra gear at the beginning of the game for no reason.
Sawyer loves making a really balanced game.

>>3922119
Go for New Vegas to kill Benny and get his gun. There's also a sheriff's gear in the 2nd town near Goodsprings that'd fit a gunslinger build. For companions I'd pick the robotic dog or the flying robot

>>3922122
I guess that's nice for veteran players who want to seep things up a bit on their nth replay, but do they really need it? Well, at least I didn't have to rely on that shitty bolt-action rifle Sandy gave me.

>>3922149
Jotted down, thanks.

>>3922185
You really should drop all the gear the game gave you. Should have just disabled all dlc to be honest

>>3922201
>Should have just disabled all dlc to be honest
It’s been really sad to watch games over the last 30 years to go from awesome expansion packs you really wanted to get, to being nickel and dimed for DLC and going along with it reluctantly, to having DLC bloatmaxxing actively making games worse, and disabling them / rolling back to old patches making the games overall better.

>>3916376
Stormcloak real flaw isn "Let's win an uprising against the Empire knowing if we lose, any race who decided to defy the Empire will get a butt fucking by the Elves and the Empire, but mainly the Elves but fuck elves I know you hate them too!"

>>3922579
What did he mean by this

>>3922580
No Dunmer and Argonians wants to get fucked by the Altmer by siding with the Stormcloaks and they get their shit kicked in by the Dominion

>>3922581
>the Stormcloaks are 100% correct because all non-Nords in Skyrim are collectively a subversive fifth column that will never identify with their host population, exclusively adhere to their own separate racial interests, and will willingly collaborate with the natives' enemies out of self-preservation
Voluminous if veracious.

>>3922581
Which means they need to most urgently fuck off and that its absolutely justified to shit on them whenever a nord pleases to do so.

I've never seen a single credible argument for why the Imperial soldiers should have spared your character at the start of the game.

>>3922814
>this prisoner is not on the list
>he wasn't involved with the stormcloaks
>ah, better kill him instead of doing any paperwork

>>3922814
>>3922816
Anon in shambles after being BTFO

>>3922814
>>3922816
>>3922824
You seem to be forgetting the situation
>random dude "just so happens" to be around when they ambush the stormcloak leader
>thalmor are rushing to get him freed because he's their asset
>imperials decide to just kill everyone and be done with it before the *lves steal their prisoners

>>3922836
>thalmor are rushing to get him freed because he's their asset
The brainlet reveals his final form.

>>3922895
So then why, genius, do you think the Thalmor were trying to free him?

>>3922897
Is this bait?

>>3922201
>>3922276
How do the dlcs negatively impact the game?

So far, not bad but not great either. Combat is janky as fuck. Some enemies absorb bullets like sponges, others die in a single shot. Talking about tge same type of enemies.
Quests intermingle in a very organic way with different ways to solve them. Reputation among factions does actually affect the game to some degree. Overall pretty good. Feels like the game is promising something, time will tell if it delivers.

>>3922998
Only about the initial gear. The DLCs are all done separately from the main story and require a certain level

>>3922814
he wasn't a Stormcloak and yet the Imperials would write him off as one

>>3923125
So much for the tolerant Merft

>>3922836
>thalmor are rushing to get him freed because he's their asset

and yet the Thalmor are there to watch Ulfric get executed

>>3923216
y u deleat poast

>>3923224
looking at the archive it was bitching about Fallout DLC. In a Skyrim thread

>>3922897
where is the proof that the Thalmor were actively trying to free Ulfric

>>3923386
The game???

>>3923388
you made a claim, where is the proof backing up the claim?

>>3923391
>ok so yes they do call him and asset and they are seen at the beginning of the game near the execution trying to get in BUT uhhhhh

>>3923393
nta but asset doesn't mean what you think it does nor do they consider him one 100% if you go by exact wording

>>3910674
it's fine, /vrpg/ and /vst/ were never alive to begin with.

>>3923393
see
>>3916387
Ulfric is NOT an asset. They are trying but failing to do so

>>3923393
>trying to get in

where? You make it seem like there was a squad of Thalmor about to break Ulfric free but Alduin happened

>>3923424
Watch the cutscene in the start again, anon.

>>3923425
yeah, one is there to watch Ulfric get executed because >>3916387 states "the Civil War is bad for us (the Thalmor)" so him getting executed is a good thing for them

>>3923427
I guess they just wrote a random diary saying they wanted him to weaken the empire for giggles or something.

>>3923428
Just because the Thalmor are taking advantage of a weak Empire doesn't mean they are siding with the Stormcloaks. The document says they will win either way

>>3923429
Which is why they want Ulfric to be alive. So he can keep fighting the Empire. So they are weakened.

>>3923385
>skyrim thread

>>3916333
It's kind of a failing that you don't encounter any Stormcloak torture dungeons. TES may not be directly mimicking a specific historical period, but state-sanctioned torture was kind of a fact of life in most cultures across much of human history until relatively recently.

>>3925594
>It's kind of a failing that you don't encounter any Stormcloak torture dungeons.
Seems to me you’re starting from a false premise.
>until relatively recently.
Who wants to tell him?

>>3925606
>Who wants to tell him?
No shit it still happens you braindead midwit, but it's no longer a "fact of life" for the vast majority of people.

>>3925606
Being surrounded by barbarian n*rds in the frozen backwater hellhole that is skyrim is torture enough.

>>3925796
>it's no longer a "fact of life" for the vast majority of people.
You are significantly less intelligent than you think you are.

>>3922585
The Dunmer and Argonians don't like the Dominions any more than the Stormcloaks and Nords. But this isn't their home so fuck fighting for it unless they want to be crushed by the Dominion when the Stormcloaks win against the Empire but lose against the Dominion

>>3925989
>But this isn't their home so fuck fighting for it
Splendid! When do they leave?

>>3910314
Anon, did you play New Vegas? I think it had 4 factions instead of 2.

>>3925995
When the Nords get the shit kicked in after kicking the Empire out and the Dominion responds and burns down Skyrim and it's religious landmarks for heresy and other shit you Nords deserve

>>3928752
>heresy

>>3910605
The Powder Gangementarii are just the first finger of Caesar's long arms you encounter.

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>>3910314
There are some more similarities.
>both games released at the start of the 2010's
>both games start with the player character nearly getting killed
>one faction is roman-themed, while the other faction fights under a banner of a bear
>the games are power fantasies where the player character becomes a living legend

>>3916328
I think people who played earlier TES games were more inclined to side with the empire since the protagonists of the previous games were all imperial agents, but without that bit of lore knowledge, the empire seems needlessly antagonistic at the start of Skyrim.

>>3928789
You are a Talos Worshipper and the the Dunmer and Argonians living there are worshipping Daedra. Guess what will the high elves do to you? Cut you down like the heretic you are>>3928752