>>3912641
>unironically reads tumblr
you cant make this shit up

>>3912641
>gg 2 ez on my 15th playthrough
Many such cases. What causes this kind of autism?

Fun fact: Sawyer posted on SA about PIllars 1’s development including their first draft of the world map. A geologist goon helpfully pointed out that rivers don’t work like that, and that they need to flow downhill. Obsidian sheepishly redrew their map.

>>3912673
based geologist

>>3912673
>make error
>get feedback
>acknowledge error and fix it
is that supposed to be bad or something?

>>3912682
It's embarrassing that they made that kind of mistake in the first place.

>>3912675
>more damage to crpgs than anyone alive
more damage to classic crpgs for sure
since he basically single-handedly started the crpg renaissance which promoted an abundance of all sorts of projects from indie to AAA and now people aren't buying that old-fart tale of early 2000s being the golden era of crpgs

>>3912683
not really
embarrassing how?
people have different area of expertise and training and just as no single person can know everything no single team can have all the skillset they need down to the very tiny-bitty detail
that's why you have outsides experts hired as consultants
but you do need to have at least some real accomplishments to come to this understanding and not be a complete looser, so I'm not mad I have to explain this to you, anon

naturally it doesn't make sense to hire a consultant just to create a world map for a videogame, it's just not as important to how good the game will be
In fact there is an abundance of fictional world maps that make no geological sense, and yet the product itself is beloved and good

so taking time to fix such a minor thing that such a tiny percentage is going to notice anyway looks like a sign of commitment and dedication and a sure plus in my book

>>3912689
Divinity released earlier but it's Pillars' successful kickstarter that prompted Larian to go for it, zoom-zoom

>>3912690
>but you do need to have at least some real accomplishments to come to this understanding and not be a complete looser, so I'm not mad I have to explain this to you, anon
Holy seething.
It's embarrassing because the moron who designed the map should be aware of the fact that rivers flow down. Another moron hired him earlier, and yet another moron approved his work.
You are acting like it was rocket science when it's a bare minimum for a topography designer.

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>>3912693
Game companies are full of people who don't know much of anything about the real world, which is why they're making games.

>>3912684
>that old-fart tale of early 2000s being the golden era of crpgs
The only people who think this are a particular range of late millennials / early zoomers who were impressionable children playing Xbox games at the time. For anyone who’d been paying attention for longer, this was the decline of PC games and the rise of console dominance, and widely regarded as a years long dry spell for quality RPGs

>>3912641
>Mention Romances
>Watch him have a meltdown
Lmao

>>3912690
“Rivers flow downhill” is like elementary school general knowledge, anon

>>3912701
was that the actual correction?

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>>3912705
He's an old murderhobo.

>>3912705
hes gay but also a virgin

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>>3912701
>elementary
anon it's preschool
.. when it comes to seeing it in 3d
however glancing at a map and identifying what is wrong is a separate skill altogether which most adults don't even have
again not that there is anything wrong with that, it's just a specific skill, not a hard one, but a specific one most people don't need and never trained at
>>3912693
>Holy seething.
meh.. not really. it's just that I have enough experience communicating with people to know that it is always the ones who had never achieved anything of significance, or even never worked on any big enough project at all to think that 1) such mistakes can only be done by retards, 2) think that acknowledging and fixing a mistake is something to avoid
I see I struck a nerve though. good.
>>3912692
kek picrel

>>3912714
that's like on a $10M budget by the way

>>3912710
the crazy part is i think he's not he just had such a bad experience that anything related to sex makes him crash out as unbelieveable as it sounds it is known to happen

>>3912714
>I see I struck a nerve though. good.
You write this and then claim you are not seething.
>it's just that I have enough experience communicating with people to know that it is always the ones who had never achieved anything of significance
And I've talked with enough fanboys to know one when I see one. Basederkeks are a prime example given the thread. Another one is the bethesdrones, who will always excuse Todd no matter how many times he fucks them in the ass. Huntards, too, become extremely defensive about people criticizing Togashi.
And yes, designing a working map is the bare minimum from a supposedly professional studio.
By the way, I was taught how to read maps in my elementary school. Haven't you?

>>3912708
>wants to enjoy an honest and direct murderhobo experience
>gets BG3
Grim. I wouldn't be surprised if he (shit)posted here.

>>3912721
He’s an old goon. “rope kid”

>>3912708
reminder that josh was the one who insisted (nearly) every NPC in new vegas be killable

I have a theory that Cris Avelone stalk these threads there's never a thread about this guy, or anything related to him like Pillars of Obsidian without someone posting shit like this >>3912675
Who tf would care but him?

>>3912750
>rpg codex memes in an rpg codex crossposter thread
what a shock

>>3912751
>rpg codex meme
Well, I would literally never know.

>>3912718
you are free to bring it up to the fine analysts at vgi I don't do their math
>700k copies x40 bucks full retail is 28m max- which of course didn't happen cause virtually all of those "sales" were kickstarter backers that got a key
ignoring where you got that 700k, a 5 seconds google says there were <75K backers
soo.. I would rather trust their numbers

>>3912719
anon you are definitely the one taking this too close to heart
it's not that I'm a fanboy (I'm really not) it's just that you are seething over nit-picking trivialities and it doesn't sound convincing
if it's a bare minimum why the fuck are there so many nonsensical fantasy maps in top of the line products lol?
>By the way, I was taught how to read maps in my elementary school. Haven't you?
well I'm not 17 like you anon, I barely remember my life in elementary school so I can't tell
but I'm pretty sure you could tell what's wrong with the old map were it presented to you in some other context

>>3912778
>you could tell
obviously should be read as "couldn't tell"
sorry anons

>>3912772
wait, so you think chris avellone is stalking /vrpg/ threads unironically? yikes.
no seriously, what's your account name there?

>>3912778
>anon you are definitely the one taking this too close to heart
It is you who has a chip on your shoulder and gets impossibly defensive about things you call trivial. Even in this post, you have to resort to a childish insult. You sound like a redditor who heard many legends of 4chinz and tries to desperately fit in but is unable to stop writing like a karmawhoring spastic.
If you didn't care about it, as you claim, you would ignore us making fun of Obsidian's incompetence and the topic would die on its own.
>well I'm not 17 like you anon
Ha, I wish I were this young.

>>3912781
but anon I made the thread (and not it's not a cuckdex crosspost)
PS
also
>topic
well ain't this a cuckdex-anon?

^lol what a retard

so did anyone watch the video?

>>3912683
Its really not. You're trying a bit too hard man. I don't even like pillars.
>>3912705
Or maybe he's not the thing you're trying so hard to paint him as
Holy fuck, I hate both pillars and sawyer but you guys are doing such a terrible job that I have to defend them now?

>>3912798
lol no. we aren't that bored.
>>3912843
>I just replay kotor and morrowind
i'd recommend trying another genre.

>>3912851
>we aren't that bored.
somehow I doubt that

>>3912869
i'd rather watch a video about cute otters playing than some old childless goon trying to connect to people through youtube.

>>3912751
That does explain this revolving pattern of Sawyer/Avellone e-celeb threads every few months. Small board monopolized by failed normalfag rejects. :c

>>3912899
As opposed to successful normalfag rejects?

>>3912780
>chris avellone
Let's just agree to call him faggot shall we?
Yes the faggot probably does.

>>3912682
If the internet has taught us anything it's that the correct response is to double down and add multiple rivers flowing uphill

>>3912721
bg3 is pretty much the murderhobo game though, which other game literally has a murderhobo protag like durge?

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>>3912673
It always bothered me that Goodsprings cemetery is uphill from all the farms because all those decaying corpses are going to be poisoning the land downhill whenever it rains.

>>3912683
Sawyer Derangement Syndrome

>>3912683
Not fixing it and not caring would be worse, what are you on about

>>3913217
His story is wrong anyway. Sawyer drew a map and then asked some geography professor he knew how to make it more realistic.

Shitflinging about Sawyer and PoE? What is this, RPGCodex?

>>3913228
>What is this, RPGCodex?
Always has been.

>>3913152
Shit this is gonna bug me. Some civil engineer or funeral director contradict this anon so I can sleep soundly.

>>3912727
I have my gripes with sawyer but that is actually based

>>3913227
>His story is wrong anyway. Sawyer drew a map and then asked some geography professor he knew how to make it more realistic.
No, I’m an old goon and read this first hand when it happened. It was early in PoE1’s development and he was posting on SA’s “Games” subforum to discuss the games development.
Maybe what you’re describing happened with PoE2 or something?

>>3913152
>>3913234
it's not unheard of to have hill cemeteries in modern cities, depends on the infrastructure and actual route of runoff and ground water reserves
cities have built cemeteries on hills for the same reason it's placed on a hill ingame: it looks good

>>3913152
Thats literally where the real world goodsprings cemetery is

>>3912708
Josh is a real men, unlike bunch of faggots on here who are into little girls shit and romance. Josh wants war, not romance.

>>3912673
>>3912683
...?

>>3912673
>that rivers don’t work like that, and that they need to flow downhill
Rightfully so. Wrong maps are cringe. They should've known, every amateur does. Cloens

>>3912693
>when it's a bare minimum for a topography designer
It really is

>>3912641
Is tb now implemented and will they fix poe2?

>>3913152
>all those decaying corpses
there's like 10 graves

>>3913245
>No, I’m an old goon and read this first hand when it happened.
so you got a link for that or source trust me bro?

>>3913531
>so you got a link for that or source trust me bro?
To humor you, I looked in the archives for a bit and couldn't find it, but this is also 10-15 years ago in an unknown thread. I described it as I remember it. Does the other anon have a source for his version of the story?

>>3913245
>I’m an old goon
have you gooned today anon?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZI5n3eeHsg
it's up (again)

>>3913589
In the archives
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3506352&pagenumber=44&perpage=40#post407585086
>Well, for one thing, what the heck is up with that river? Rivers can't have five distinct mouths that aren't even in the same delta or anything.

>This is good feedback. The actual map is significantly larger; I just bored down on this section for detail. That particular section was what I worked out first. I'll try to address the geological problems (e.g. rivers) and I'll think more about the rest.

>>3913931
Anon delivered where I failed. Perhaps that's what I was remembering.

>>3913931
>Durr, retards at obsidian think rivers flow uphill. This is what happens when you hire blacks, women, and faggots

>>3912698
I assume he meant trash like Baldur's Gate 2, though it's a bit strange to talk about the 2000s when crpgs stopped being good in like 1994.

>>3912721
It's one of the best murderhobo games thoughbeit, you can kill basically every NPC and still complete the game.

>>3914262
Except Gale
Or the red dragon in late act 1
Or Raphael in the early game
Or the Emperor when you meet him
Or the Absolutes army camp in act 2
Or…
BG3 was extremely immersion breaking to me due to how many false choices it presents. It’s all an illusion.

>>3912798
I did
basically a reply to a question on open betas and testing balance
tldr;
the main point is that people outside the industry tend forget there are A LOT of features to test and he doesn't feel like balance is a top priority at this stage considering there are so many things that need to work properly
+ that manually balancing a specific starting section of a game over and over doesn't exactly translate with any significant correlation into having a framework to balance the entire game

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>>3913931
based source provider
I'll still have to trust your word (picrel) but hey, at least you provided a source that is theoretically verifiable
>five distinct mouths
what do you know it actually wasn't about something as trivial as rivers flowing uphill
it's almost like if some poster enters a thread about with a Basder for a thumbnail he is highly likely to have a Sawyer Derangement Syndrome

>>3914258
Ultima or goldbox

>>3914280
>many false choices
Likely won't be surpassed until divinity 3 comes out

>>3913289
The only problem is when it goes completely the other way. I agree with his distaste towards romance-ability (at least when he made that one forum post I think ~2010), but as others on this board have criticized, he's sort of hypocritical with it, and things sometimes go unrealistically the other direction. E.g.: https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/thread/3517864/

>>3914356
*Specifically, some of the replies in that thread, not really the OP at all, since it's really poor quality.

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>>3914325
>what do you know it actually wasn't about something as trivial as rivers flowing uphill
Here's an Obsidian thread from the same timeframe (late 2012) discussing the same thing (the first draft of the Pillars 1 world map during the kickstarter phase) that specifically mentions the river running uphill:
https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/62008-do-you-care-about-a-realistic-world-map/page/2/
>The biggest flaw seems to be the backwards river running through the Free Palatinate of Dyrwood. The forks in the river are all wrong.
Sawyer's response:
>The rivers have been fixed for the map, but we haven't been able to update it on the KS site (or elsewhere) yet.
Both posts were on 10/28/12.
The posts anon quoted (see picrel, "rope kid" is Sawyer) were ~six weeks before this, in mid-September, after they had incorporated their initial feedback from the thread on SA.
>it's almost like if some poster enters a thread about with a Basder for a thumbnail he is highly likely to have a Sawyer Derangement Syndrome
An astute reader will note that I never said anything positive or negative about Sawyer, aside from neutrally stating that he is a goon and that he posted about the development of Pillars on SA, which is true.

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>>3914410
stay schizo schizo-anon
obsidiots truly in shambles what can I say
I mean that's some concrete evidence and a proof to everything
the more I read your posts the more I see wishful thinking on your part

>>3914474
Have you considered the possibility that you may be the deranged one in this discussion?

>>3914410
>map autist doesn't find fantasy map "interesting", while also not finding interesting real world locations because they don't satisfy his specific 'tism
Is this what this thread is about? Holy fuck lol

>>3914410
Have you tried not being autistic? Works wonders.

Is it up though?

>>3914961
yeah he said like the backer stuff went okay but he would've changed some stuff with what people were working on

>>3914505
>here's a silly story about something goofy that happened during this game's development, isn't that silly?
>no, that didn't happen. uhhh Sawyer went and talked to a professor. yeah.
>do you have a source for your silly story?
>does the second anon have a source for his professor claim?
>here's a source for the silly story
>this silly story didn't happen at all!
>actually, your source doesn't say what it says. you are deranged!
>here's another corroborating source
>schizo!
>autist!
Good talk. There's probably only three anons in this conversation, and half of these posts are the same guy.

>>3912701
From my experience working scaffolding and building rain covers, water flowing downhill is very specialized knowledge and can only be properly understood by the top 10%
Although might just be that my trade has a average IQ of 75

>>3914975
>>3914505