Did Fallout 1 have any explanation why Shady Sands is Indian?
Not explicitly stated in-game, no.
>>3919424What about outside the game? Pre-F2.I think it was originally suppose to be Tibetan for whatever reason.
>>3919429>What about outside the game? Pre-F2.There is nothing outside the game. The "Fallout Bible" and FO2 are not canon. Hope this helps.
>>3919423Shady Sands is a town, not a person. Hope this helps.
>>3919423it was meant to show that post apocalypse is a state of the world you don't want to be in
>>3919423It isn't. Only he is.>>3919429Vault 15 had people from different countries and religions as an experiment to see how they would react.
>>3919607>Vault 15 had people from different countries and religions as an experiment to see how they would react.I said pre-F2
>>3919423California was a shithole heavily populated by jeets prior to the nuke war. The nuclear apocalypse was a blessing to the white man.
>>3919423It's a stylistic choice to play up the exoticness of a post apocalyptic wasteland as if people were reverting to a more primitive condition but if you want a logical explanation>male and female Indian survives war>have kids>kid gets their accentSimple. And it's safe to bet a lot of Shady Sands doesn't have his particular accent since Tanya doesn't
>>3919607Everyone in the town follows his religion and calls the two-headed cows brahmin. There's far more than one considering his culture ended up being dominant.
the civilizations that would most likely emerge in the post-apocalyptic future would be ethno-religious ones. if anything, it should be more common in the world of fallout.
>>3919732>There's far more than one considering his culture ended up being dominant.A more likely explanation is that a very charismatic individual in the past influenced the entire Vault, and considering a nuclear holocaust just happened outside I would say that it's highly likely that the desperate Vault dwellers would listen to a charlatan peddling some asian bullshit in order to cope with their situation.Mind you, the Khans also come from the same Vault.
>>3919999t. secular atheist
>>3919423Because a sizeable population of Indian-Americans made it to Vault 15, and their descendants significantly influenced the population's culture and language.
I forgot, was it stated the the Khans came from Vault 15 in Fallout 1?Or I guess any cut content with the Vipers, as well.
>>3919423>AradeshClosest real-world cognates:Persian / Avestan constructions (-desh / -dēš)Sanskrit deśa (“land, country”)Meaning cluster: land, realm, placeAradesh is not a random “exotic” name — it reads as:“Personification of land / founder of the land”Which is exactly his narrative role.
>>3920364Yes, though I think you only find out by asking the Khans themselves and not asking around Shady Sands.
>>3919423I think if you talk to the raiders in the Khans camp, one of them will talk about how they deserve to have what Shady Sands has because they came from the same people. The implication is that Vault 15 was a chaotic, multicultural vault.
>>3919423They are the feather Indians not the dot indians, wasn't it obvious by the indian houses?
>>3919732the khans are decendants of vault 15 people too
Because the creator wanted the setting to feel as "alien" as possible and Indian stuff was quite popular yet foreign to the mainly Western/Commiefornian demographic (e.g. Yoga, New Age spirituality, etc.). Even some of the tracks in the game were played with a Sitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6So4k5UqHwConsidered outdated today but then again no one asked Tim Cain this question yet.
>>3919423please help me sir, i am indian
>>3919423I always figured Tony Shalhoub just did the accent and they rolled with it and Avellone retconned something to make it make senseShalhoub's whole career in the '90s was "foreign guy" in Wings and Quick Change.
>>3920500Their kids mixed all the play-doh colors together, and all that was left was brown.
people in SS says stuff like "thank dharma youre safe" etc its clearly supposed to be spiritual small primitive settlement
>>3919732Brahmin are a breed of cow retard
>>3920769Those are "brahman," not Fallout's brahmin. In the Fallout Bible, Avellone confirmed the name is Indian in origin.
>>3920769If they were sheep they'd be called Baahmin
I do wonder how much Shady Sands was not Indian or some other flavor of Asian, though. Some of them really don't do the dharma stuff as much as others and by 2 all the foreign culture aspect disappears entirely.
>>3921739>I do wonder how much Shady Sands was not Indian or some other flavor of Asian, though.It's got adobe buildings and residents named Katrina, Seth and Curtis. It makes sense that 15 was a relatively multicultural vault, and stuff like dharma caught on because Shady Sands was founded by one of Aradesh's ancestors and continued through to the present time with him being their leader.
>>3921745Shady sands is an iskon hare krishnas, rajneeshi settlement. It a hippie commune cult.
>>3921748Oh yeah, I was just thinking about all those indians I know named Curtis.
>>3921751Most of the hare krishnas are white. At least they were in the 90s. Most of those anglo trap Hindu cults were headed by one Indian dude, and everyone else was white, who all end up worshipping the children of the guru. Shady Sands was more likely just aradeshs harem. Tandy starts ncr because everyone in the commune thinks she's a demigod child of some guru. White wasps and hippies get so easily trapped by "orientalism" and "esotericism"
>>3919732One actual Indian but a bunch of followers.
Because if Tony Shalhoub sounded like a guy from Wisconsin it probably wouldn't feel cool.
>>3921776Aradesh established the NCR, iirc. I'm not gonna bother checking, but from what I recall, the NCR was basically born out of Shady Sands and Junktown deciding to establish friendlier relations with each other and extending this down into The Hub and the Boneyard
>>3919423California.
>>3919423He is likely from Vault 15. Jackals, Khans, Vipers, and Shady Sands were started by Vault 15 dwellers. And there maybe was also a group that stayed behind.Vaults sometimes have immigrants, like F1 one of prebuilt characters may be descendant of Russian diplomat. It's more interesting that they dropped Dharma from later games.
>>3922651I have a hard time imagining incomplete Buddhism gaining a foot in the wasteland, the literacy rate isn't that high and buddhism is so convoluted with all the different word meanings when incorporated into english. Buddhism is also heavily influenced by nature and the fallout world is so ravaged that I don't think the environment would let buddhism exist. Animals are vicious and life is cruel.
>>3922701>Buddhism is also heavily influenced by nature and the fallout world is so ravaged that I don't think the environment would let buddhism exist. Animals are vicious and life is cruel.I think the whole appeal of Buddhism is exactly en escape from those aspects of the world. That is what Siddhartha saw and what made him drop his royal title to save the rest of man. Would have be cool to see a new age Buddhism sect in Fallout
>>3922751Harold and the master both had cults centered around them.
>>3922753Harold was a bum living in a back alley in a slum
What ethnicity was Gizmo?
>>3922769Italian, he's called Don Gizmo.
>>3922753> the master both had cults centered around them.How so?
>>3922779He’s talking about fallout 3, and the children of the cathedral.
>>3922784I understand but I don’t see the connection to new age Buddhist sects beyond a shared soteriological vision.
>>3922701>I have a hard time imagining incomplete Buddhism gaining a foot in the wasteland,well it didn't, actually. There's no remnants of Shady Sands' original culture in 2 or NV.
>>3922769Probably some greaseball Italian or something like that.I think Gizmo's talking head was actually modeled after this guy, though. Frank Thring, the actor, is Australian.
>>3919423How did he convince the other settlements to join his republic and accept him as leader? Shady Sands had little influence in the region. It would be one thing if the VD settled there and campaigned for the project, but F2 made it clear that wasn't the case.The Hub would have made far more sense as the unifying force, to be honest.
>>3923649>[Shady Sands canon ending] In Shady Sands, Tandi helps her father Aradesh bring a new community and new life out of the broken remains of the world. They are responsible for the New California Republic, whose ideals spread across the land.>[Hub, bugged but presumed canon ending] With your assistance, Old Harold brings the ghoul population of the Hub into equality with the humans. The two sides work together, and the Hub prospers. Old Harold is still alive, as far as anyone knows.good question. it was just written that way, I guess.
>everyone says fallout is hard to go back to>try it >its the only 90s crpg I find playable I don't get it. I have been filtered by every crpg but fallout. Also I was listening to an old podcast from when fallout 3 came out and those journalists shit talked the old fallouts so hard and made fun of people who disliked fast travel. Wow am I happy the industry grew past these pigheaded frauds.
>>3923649>>3923666There's also the NCR history holodisk in 2, but kind of also skirts the questions>Founded eighty years ago, the NCR is now comprised of the states of Shady, Los Angeles, Maxson, Hub, and Dayglow. Approximately 700,000 citizens are pleased to call NCR home.my best guess is that it was simply a unanimous union between its founding cities and they chose Shady Sands as the capital for unspecified regions.
>>3923671>regionsreasons
>>3923671Fuck 2 and fuck the fallout bible
>>3923676quiet, tribal
>>3923676Tactics is better than 2 definitely
>>3923671>>3923675Makes sense. Maybe they decided to gave it to the "weakest" settlement to maintain a balance of power.
I dropped Fallout 2 because it felt aimless and the writing was cringe and oddly bipolar in tone
>>3923696*give
>>3923696either that or because it was because Aradesh and Tandi founded the idea of the NCR, even if Shady Sands didn't have the same power as the other towns involved.
>>3919732Shady Sands, Great Khans, Vipers and Jackals all come from the same vault.Brahmin is just a word for a two headed cow in the wastes generally, we don't know where the name came from, it's not told to us explicitlyNot sure where you got the bit about everyone following his religion, I don't think we ever even find out which religion he follows. Did some dev said it? Can you give me your sources?
>>3924233Katrina and Seth both give thanks to Dharma and Razlo uses "Great Brahmin" as an exclamation.
>>3924606To be pedantic, plenty of atheists and other non-Christians use Christian-related expressions and swears though, like "oh god", "damn", "hell", etc. So using an expression that refers to a religion doesn't necessarily equate to them being a part of said religion, though I would agree that it's the intended interpretation of Shady Sands.
>>3924606Oh yeah, I only thought of Ian, but he wasn't born in Shady Sands.Well, I guess it's a thematic choise, to make Shady Sands an antithesis to their antagonists, Great Khans. You know, peacefull community against violent raiders
>>3920429yes, of course, the feather indians who referred to cows as brahmin.
>>3924606>holy cow
>>3919423Why didn't Tandi have a last name?
>>3926820All Indians in America are Patels
>>3919423Are you fucking serious, you fucking broccoli haired piece of shit? PLAY THE GAME.
>>3926820Tandi Enseeyar
https://venere.it/en/the-meaning-and-history-of-the-last-name-tandi/> Tandi has roots in different cultures, primarily reflecting its African and Indian connections. In some African communities, particularly among the Zulu and Xhosa people, “Tandi” can translate to “beloved” or “to be loved.”Tandi is a BLACK QUEEN. Aradesh may have been an Indojin (Indian man in Japanese, TL note) but her mother was a BLACK QUEEN too. When Tandi talks, you listen.
>>3927800>California gets nuked>Society is rebuilt by indiansFate worse than death
>>3919423Nobody ever says it but '90s CRPGs have absolutely dogshit ugly visuals. It's no wonder nobody cared about them.
>>3928054>Nobody ever says it but '90s CRPGs have absolutely dogshit ugly visuals. It's no wonder nobody cared about them.This came out the day before Fallout
>>3928054I think fallout 1 looks perfectly fine, honestly. Although the 32-bit color palette and low resolution are limiting factors.
>>3926820You don't really need last names in a tiny village where everyone knows each other.
>>3928054Early full 3D aged poorly, but Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Torment, and other 3D model-turned-into-a-sprite games look fine, just low resolution.
>>3928054Shit bait
Without later retcons I always assumed shady sands was older than the point that vault 15 was abandoned because only that girl at the gates mentions being from it and implies it just happened. If I integrate retcons I guess you could think there had been successive waves of emigration and SS was just a place that had been established by earlier emigrants, a little indian clan that wanted to separate.
>>3928625>If I integrate retconsNever do this.
>>3928270If I watch some Fallout youtube video I always seethe when they mention Fallout 1 or 2 because their B-roll of it always without fail is at 4K resolution, the text is completely illegible, and the playfield is an eye-searing mess of microscopic sprites in an obvious wallpaper pattern that was obscured at the intended resolutionHow many butthurt kids come onto /vr/ or /vrpg/ and complain about the old games because their experience was trying to play it at an absurd resolution Steam defaulted to
>>3928741>You zoomers have copper wiring to reroute your fear of pixels, while I’ve got anti-aliasing of steel.
>>3924777only sensible explanation ITT:
